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Minimise Oestrogen (The big one)
Oestrogen & Puberty on Height:
Oestrogen, Protein, Obesity & mTOR on Height:
- Oestrogen is the hormone that closes growth plates. The spiking of oestrogen levels in the body is what fuses growth plates during puberty. It also partly explains why women have a shorter growth period during puberty than men.
- In men, oestrogen is primarily created by it being aromatised (converted) from testosterone via the aromatase enzyme. Therefore, higher testosterone = higher oestrogen naturally.
- Anabolic steroids stunt growth because this massively increased testosterone means a huge increase in oestrogen also, leading to faster closing of growth plates. So YES, being shorter is debatably more masculine, as more testosterone is likely to make you shorter, not taller.
- Teenagers who have been castrated or have any genetic defect that leads to low testosterone or low oestrogen often grow to be very tall, lanky and with large wingspans (see first video below for more). Example : Dev from our forum
- Body fat has a significant amount of aromatase enzyme, and so higher body fat levels often corresponds to higher oestrogen levels. Takeaway? Don't be overweight during puberty and ideally get lean.
- Caloric deficits (dieting) aren't ideal though as that would work against the following points...
- mTOR is your body's primary signalling for entering a state of anabolism i.e. growth.
- mTOR signalling also ages you faster, this explains why minimising it through caloric restriction, fasting and lower protein intake is a good thing for longevity. If you want muscle and height, do the opposite, stimulate mTOR (but don't get fat).
- Protein is the primary molecule that turns on mTOR, consume as much as possible around the clock.
- Contrary to popular belief, protein spikes insulin as much as carbohydrate, so insulin and IGF-1 will be circulating this way, stimulating mTOR through these additional pathways.
- Don't eat in a caloric deficit, but also avoid fat gain (minimising oestrogen).
- Everyone talks about hGH and understands its significant role in height growth, but never it's close brother IGF-1.
- hGH secretion is many times higher when sleeping, so ensure you get enough sleep.
- Studies on hGH therapy show increases of end height between only 3-7cm on average, so it is not the holy grail if you aren't hGH deficient already and haven't been on it since pre-puberty. Genetics remains supreme.
- Studies that investigate the combined use of hGH AND IGF-1 intervention show increased growth, but again still only in that 2-7cm ballpark.
- Most people are finished growing by the time they are 16/17. It is very unlikely your growth plates are still open past the age of 18.
- People growing into their 20's are extremely rare and likely had severely delayed puberty or health complication. Many people like myself even stopped by 15.
- Protein is more important than vegetables for growth but don't be micronutrient deficient.
- Lifting weights does not stunt or maximise height growth. Both testosterone and hGH increases are transient (too temporary) and too small to make any actual difference.
- Stretching does not stretch bones, this is why stretching can't make you taller. If you have such bad posture that you hunch over, then of course you'll be taller when you fix that, but you didn't actually grow.
- Malnourishment can stunt growth yes, but permanent stunting is only likely to occur if you are truly chronically malnourished i.e. so emaciated that several ribs show from the back or chronic micronutrient deficiency where other negative health effects are present.
- Growth following growth plate closure is next to impossible.
- Get lean, avoid dieting once lean.
- Eat as much protein around the clock as possible.
- Avoid undersleeping.
- hGH is only prescribed if you are either deficient, growing unnaturally slowly and predicted to not reach near-parental height ("target height" i.e. genetic potential). None of these apply to me and most of you.
Oestrogen & Puberty on Height:
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