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I feel high cortisol ngl, the dht thoughts are coming again "inject dht" "anavar bro" "dht is anticortisol" "consequences of blocking the most potent androgen" holy shit who would have thought:feelswhy:
 
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Why are you fasting?
 
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Need more 6 hours so I can eat!!!:incel:
 
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Just be smart with what you eat during the window of time that you have and ramadan is easy.
The only way it should be affecting looks is making you weaker in the gym due to lacking glycogen stores and sleep deprivation if you go to tarawih and school early.
Otherwise, religion lowers cortisol, especially the quran
 
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why tf are you fasting
 
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That’s what fasting does. Your test literally relies on calories.
 
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So if a woman give birth to a kid, the kid is woman made?
But the woman don't have the ability to give a birth without a sperm and who created the man and made him have seminal vesicles, prostate and such things to create a sperm? Nature?? Which nature?? And if women were to be creating kids, why women don't make men that are 7'0 chads with insane bone mass? And insane hair genes with big dicks?
 
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And if women were to be creating kids, why women don't make men that are 7'0 chads with insane bone mass? And insane hair genes with big dicks?
huh ? what the fuck is this rambling
 
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huh ? what the fuck is this rambling
The woman can't customise the kid in the womb, the mother have absolutely no power in how the kid will look like, what's his genetic height, will he go bald or not, will the kid be a male or a female, there is god that made the kids in his image in the womb
 
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his genetic height
fuck a 6 foot 7 tyrone
The woman can't customise the kid in the womb, the mother have absolutely no power in how the kid will look like, what's his genetic height, will he go bald or not, will the kid be a male or a female, there is god that made the kids in his image in the womb
whats your point ? combined genetics of both parents dont determine how the kid will look like/his height etc, god does ?
 
fuck a 6 foot 7 tyrone

whats your point ? combined genetics of both parents dont determine how the kid will look like/his height etc, god does ?
The point is god exists, coping with nature which is god made isn't gonna make you ascend in any way
 
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The point is god exists, coping with nature which is god made isn't gonna make you ascend in any way
you didnt answer my point, does god choose how the kid will look like and the combined genetics of both parents dont ?

god will randomly decide if im gonna be a 6 foot 5 cl, or he might choose that im a ltn indian, at the end of the day its all gods choice and not the dna of my parents ?
 
you didnt answer my point, does god choose how the kid will look like and the combined genetics of both parents dont ?

god will randomly decide if im gonna be a 6 foot 5 cl, or he might choose that im a ltn indian, at the end of the day its all gods choice and not the dna of my parents ?
Its god choice to make your parents indian or to make you a 6'5 mogger
 
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Its god choice to make your parents indian or to make you a 6'5 mogger
no ? the reason behind my parents being indian is because their parents (my grandparents) were also indian, genetics combined and their kid (my mother/father) resulted in being indian

same goes for a 6 5 mogger, god has nothing to do with it lol this is water do you not know how basic biology works
 
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no ? the reason behind my parents being indian is because their parents (my grandparents) were also indian, genetics combined and their kid (my mother/father) resulted in being indian

same goes for a 6 5 mogger, god has nothing to do with it lol this is water do you not know how basic biology works
All cope first human was created by god I don't give a damn if you were to be Indian, chinese, black, white we're all humans at the end of the day and to prove you wrong, your parents might have gave you birth in usa or canada who would have predicted? Nature?? Biology??
 
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Say Astaghfirullah and don't say that again, Allah is the most merciful
He wants to fill hell with many souls. He is the master of the plots. Just look at Islam, Mohammed was a warlord. An evil murderous thief and rapist and you still believe the God of him isn’t Satan? You’re brainwashed by parents and environment and you do not have critical thinking or you would realize Allah is Satan or some high ranked Demon.

He will take you to hell since you do not believe in Jesus.

Who is the Antichrist? The one who doesn’t believe Jesus is the Son
 
no ? the reason behind my parents being indian is because their parents (my grandparents) were also indian, genetics combined and their kid (my mother/father) resulted in being indian

same goes for a 6 5 mogger, god has nothing to do with it lol this is water do you not know how basic biology works
For the 6'5 mogger bones most niggers have short parents and thier grandparents too but somehow the average this zoomer this days is 6'1 jacked and have insane bone mass, ofc you would say the mailman or thier great great great grandparent which is another cope :lul:
 
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and to prove you wrong, your parents might have gave you birth in usa or canada who would have predicted? Nature?? Biology??
what does my birthplace have to do w anything ?
All cope first human was created by god I don't give a damn if you were to be Indian, chinese, black, white we're all humans at the end of the day
yes we are all humans no matter the race, my point still stands, if your parents are indian you will be indian, not because god wants you to be indian, its because both of your parents are indian and they are reproducing meaning their genetics will be passed onto you, again, water .
For the 6'5 mogger bones most niggers have short parents and thier grandparents too but somehow the average this zoomer this days is 6'1 jacked and have insane bone mass, ofc you would say the mailman or thier great great great grandparent which is another cope :lul:
i didnt understand a single word that came out of your mouth just now jfl
 
He wants to fill hell with many souls.
  • The Quran emphasizes Allah’s mercy far more than His punishment. For example:
    • “Your Lord has ordained mercy upon Himself” (Quran 6:54).
    • “Allah does not burden a soul beyond what it can bear” (Quran 2:286).
  • Hell exists as a consequence for deliberate injustice and rejection of truth after guidance is clear (Quran 4:166). However, Allah repeatedly invites repentance: “Does he not know that Allah sees?” (Quran 96:14).
  • Free will is central: People choose their path, and Allah’s justice holds them accountable.
  • Jesus also warned of Hell (Matthew 10:28), but Christians believe God’s love offers redemption through Christ. Similarly, Islam teaches Allah’s mercy outweighs wrath for those who seek guidance.
Mohammed was a warlord.
Muhammad's engagements in battles (e.g., Badr, Uhud) occurred in 7th-century Arabia, a region plagued by tribal warfare. These conflicts were primarily defensive, responding to persecution and attacks from Meccan forces. Islamic rules of war, established by Muhammad, forbade harm to non-combatants, destruction of property, and torture—a progressive stance for the time. For example, prisoners of war were often freed or treated humanely (Quran 2:190).
An evil murderous
Muhammad was Known as Al-Amin (the Trustworthy) pre-prophethood, Muhammad promoted women’s rights (e.g., inheritance), abolished infanticide, and advocated for social justice. His farewell sermon emphasized equality: "No Arab is superior to a non-Arab." Conflicts arose from political betrayals, not religious persecution. For instance, the Banu Qurayza violated a mutual defense treaty during wartime.
  • Spoils of war were regulated under Islamic law, distributed to support the community and orphans (Quran 8:41).
and rapist
Marriage to aisha you mean? Her age (traditionally reported as 9 at consummation) aligns with historical norms where early marriages were common. Their relationship is described in Islamic texts as mentorship-based, with mutual respect.
and you still believe the God of him isn’t Satan?
Allah ≠ Satan
In Islam, Allah is the Creator, synonymous with the God of Abrahamic faiths. Satan (Shaytan) is a rebellious jinn who tempts humans away from Allah (Quran 7:11-18). Equating Allah with Satan contradicts core Islamic theology, which explicitly condemns Shaytan as an adversary.
You’re brainwashed by parents and environment and you do not have critical thinking
The Quran encourages reflection (3:190-191) and questions blind tradition (2:170). Diverse Muslim converts—including scholars, scientists, and activists—highlight personal choice over "brainwashing." The Islamic Golden Age exemplifies intellectual inquiry.
or you would realize Allah is Satan or some high ranked Demon.
  • In Islam, Satan (Shaytan) is a created being—a jinn who rebelled out of pride (Quran 7:11-18). He is Allah’s enemy, not His equal.
  • Allah is explicitly identified as the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus in the Quran (e.g., 3:84, 29:46). Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christians—monotheism is the core of Islam (Quran 112:1-4).
  • Equating Allah with Satan is a theological contradiction: Satan’s entire purpose is to lead humans away from Allah.
He will take you to hell since you do not believe in Jesus
  • Muslims revere Jesus as:
    • A prophet and Messiah (Quran 3:45).
    • Born miraculously to Mary (Quran 19:16-22).
    • A servant of Allah, not divine (Quran 5:72-75).
  • Islam rejects the Trinity (Quran 4:171) but affirms Jesus’ role in God’s plan.

  • The Quran states righteous people of all faiths—including Christians and Jews—can attain Paradise if they:
    • Worship One God.
    • Do good deeds.
    • Seek truth sincerely (Quran 2:62, 5:69).
  • Final judgment rests with Allah alone, who knows hearts and intentions (Quran 2:284).
    Who is the Antichrist? The one who doesn’t believe Jesus is the Son
    • The “Antichrist” (Dajjal) in Islam is a specific evil figure—a false messiah who deceives humanity before Judgment Day.
    • Muslims do NOT label non-Christians as “Antichrist”: The Quran respects Jesus’ followers as “People of the Book” (Christians/Jews) and condemns only those who deliberately distort truth (Quran 3:71).
    • Islam teaches Jesus will return to defeat the Dajjal, restore justice, and confirm his prophethood (Hadith, Sahih Muslim).
 
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what does my birthplace have to do w anything ?

yes we are all humans no matter the race, my point still stands, if your parents are indian you will be indian, not because god wants you to be indian, its because both of your parents are indian and they are reproducing meaning their genetics will be passed onto you, again, water .

i didnt understand a single word that came out of your mouth just now jfl
You could be indian but do you choose to have blue eyes or be chad even if your parents were to be good looking?
Genetics are not the answer to everything somethings are simply explained by God's plan
 
  • The Quran emphasizes Allah’s mercy far more than His punishment. For example:
    • “Your Lord has ordained mercy upon Himself” (Quran 6:54).
    • “Allah does not burden a soul beyond what it can bear” (Quran 2:286).
  • Hell exists as a consequence for deliberate injustice and rejection of truth after guidance is clear (Quran 4:166). However, Allah repeatedly invites repentance: “Does he not know that Allah sees?” (Quran 96:14).
  • Free will is central: People choose their path, and Allah’s justice holds them accountable.
  • Jesus also warned of Hell (Matthew 10:28), but Christians believe God’s love offers redemption through Christ. Similarly, Islam teaches Allah’s mercy outweighs wrath for those who seek guidance.

Muhammad's engagements in battles (e.g., Badr, Uhud) occurred in 7th-century Arabia, a region plagued by tribal warfare. These conflicts were primarily defensive, responding to persecution and attacks from Meccan forces. Islamic rules of war, established by Muhammad, forbade harm to non-combatants, destruction of property, and torture—a progressive stance for the time. For example, prisoners of war were often freed or treated humanely (Quran 2:190).

Muhammad was Known as Al-Amin (the Trustworthy) pre-prophethood, Muhammad promoted women’s rights (e.g., inheritance), abolished infanticide, and advocated for social justice. His farewell sermon emphasized equality: "No Arab is superior to a non-Arab." Conflicts arose from political betrayals, not religious persecution. For instance, the Banu Qurayza violated a mutual defense treaty during wartime.

  • Spoils of war were regulated under Islamic law, distributed to support the community and orphans (Quran 8:41).

Marriage to aisha you mean? Her age (traditionally reported as 9 at consummation) aligns with historical norms where early marriages were common. Their relationship is described in Islamic texts as mentorship-based, with mutual respect.

Allah ≠ Satan
In Islam, Allah is the Creator, synonymous with the God of Abrahamic faiths. Satan (Shaytan) is a rebellious jinn who tempts humans away from Allah (Quran 7:11-18). Equating Allah with Satan contradicts core Islamic theology, which explicitly condemns Shaytan as an adversary.

The Quran encourages reflection (3:190-191) and questions blind tradition (2:170). Diverse Muslim converts—including scholars, scientists, and activists—highlight personal choice over "brainwashing." The Islamic Golden Age exemplifies intellectual inquiry.

  • In Islam, Satan (Shaytan) is a created being—a jinn who rebelled out of pride (Quran 7:11-18). He is Allah’s enemy, not His equal.
  • Allah is explicitly identified as the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus in the Quran (e.g., 3:84, 29:46). Muslims worship the same God as Jews and Christians—monotheism is the core of Islam (Quran 112:1-4).
  • Equating Allah with Satan is a theological contradiction: Satan’s entire purpose is to lead humans away from Allah.

  • Muslims revere Jesus as:
    • A prophet and Messiah (Quran 3:45).
    • Born miraculously to Mary (Quran 19:16-22).
    • A servant of Allah, not divine (Quran 5:72-75).
  • Islam rejects the Trinity (Quran 4:171) but affirms Jesus’ role in God’s plan.

  • The Quran states righteous people of all faiths—including Christians and Jews—can attain Paradise if they:
    • Worship One God.
    • Do good deeds.
    • Seek truth sincerely (Quran 2:62, 5:69).
  • Final judgment rests with Allah alone, who knows hearts and intentions (Quran 2:284).
    • The “Antichrist” (Dajjal) in Islam is a specific evil figure—a false messiah who deceives humanity before Judgment Day.
    • Muslims do NOT label non-Christians as “Antichrist”: The Quran respects Jesus’ followers as “People of the Book” (Christians/Jews) and condemns only those who deliberately distort truth (Quran 3:71).
    • Islam teaches Jesus will return to defeat the Dajjal, restore justice, and confirm his prophethood (Hadith, Sahih Muslim).
Nice spreading lies like your Devil Allah the first lier. Mohammed beheaded 300 Jews. He raped women after killing the male population. This is definitely a Gods prophet 😂😂😂

In several articles (1, 2, 3, 4) we have made mention that the Quran teaches outright that Allah is capable of lying and deceiving people. In fact, one of the titles which the Quran ascribes to Allah is khayru al-makireen, that Allah is "the best deceiver/schemer/conniver" (cf. S. 3:54; 8:30).

We want to continue our discussion regarding Allah being a deceiver by examining what the Quran says supposedly took place in paradise between Allah and Satan (called Iblis in the Quran) at the time of Adam’s creation. The Quran claims that Allah commanded all the angels to worship Adam, which Satan did not do, prompting Allah to ask him the reason why:

(Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What is your reason for not being among the prostrators?" [Iblis (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud." (Allah) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajim (an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsir At-Tabari] "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)." [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day they (the dead) will be resurrected." Allah said: "Then, verily, you are of those reprieved, Till the Day of the time appointed." [Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because YOU MISLED ME, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all. Except Your chosen, (guided) slaves among them." (Allah) said: "This is the Way which will lead straight to Me. Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Ghawin(Mushrikun and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.). And surely, Hell is the promised place for them all. It (Hell) has seven gates, for each of those gates is a (special) class (of sinners) assigned." S. 15:32-44
What makes this exchange rather shocking is that Satan accuses Allah of deceiving or misleading him! Here is what the text in question exactly says:

[Iblis (Satan)] said: "O my Lord! Because you misled me (aghwaytanee), I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead (walaoghwiyannahum) them all. S. 15:39
Note the various translations of this specific text by the different versions of the Quran:

Said he, 'My Lord, for Thy perverting me …' Arberry
[Satan said]: "My Lord, since you misguided me, …" Majid Fakhry - An Interpretation of the Qur'an (approved by Al-Ahzar University)
'Lord,' said Satan, 'since You have thus seduced me, …' N.J. Dawood
"My Lord, since you have misled me, …" Thomas Cleary
He said, "O my Lord! because thou hast beguiled me, …" Rodwell
He said, 'O my Lord! for that Thou hast seduced me ...' Palmer
[The devil] replied, o Lord, because thou hast seduced me, … Sale
The parallel version of this story reads slightly different:

(Iblîs) said: "Because You have sent me astray (aghwaytanee), …" S. 7:16
Here is how various versions translate this passage:

Said he, 'Now, for Thy perverting me, …' Arberry
Satan said: "Because You have misled me, …" Fakhry
'Because You led me into sin …' N.J. Dawood
He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, … Pickthall
He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, …" Y. Ali
He said, "Since You have willed that I go astray, …" Thomas Cleary
He said, "Now, for that thou hast caused me to err, …" Rodwell
said he, 'For that Thou hast led me into error, …' Palmer
The devil] said, because thou hast depraved me, … Sale
Moreover, here is how some Muslim commentators explained S. 7:16:

(He) Iblis (said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray) just as You made me err from guidance, (verily I shall lurk in ambush for them) for the children of Adam (on Thy Right Path) the religion of Islam. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
Said he, 'Now, because You have sent me astray (fa-bi-ma aghwaytani means bi-ighwa'ik, 'for Your sending me astray': the ba' is for oaths, and the response of the oath is [the following]) verily I shall sit in ambush for them, that is, for the Children of Adam, on Your straight path, that is, on the path that leads to You. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn;source; bold and underline emphasis ours)
What makes this even more interesting is that this particular word is always used in its various forms with a negative connotation:

"Certainly, you shall have no authority over My slaves, except those who follow you of the Ghawin (Mushrikun and those who go astray, criminals, polytheists, and evil-doers, etc.). S. 15:42
And recite (O Muhammad) to them the story of him to whom We gave Our Ayat(proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), but he threw them away, so Shaitan (Satan) followed him up, and he became of those who went astray (alghaweena). S. 7:175
Then they both ate of the tree, and so their private parts appeared to them, and they began to stick on themselves the leaves from Paradise for their covering. Thus did Adam disobey his Lord, so he went astray (faghawa). S. 20:121
And the (Hell) Fire will be placed in full view of the erring…Then they will be thrown on their faces into the (Fire), They and the Ghawun (devils, and those who were in error). S. 26:91, 94
So he became afraid, looking about in the city (waiting as to what will be the result of his crime of killing), when behold, the man who had sought his help the day before, called for his help (again). Musa (Moses) said to him: "Verily, you are a plain misleader (laghawiyyun)!" S. 28:18
Those about whom the Word will have come true (to be punished) will say: "Our Lord! These are they whom we led astray (aghwayna). We led them astray (aghwaynahum), as we were astray (ghawayna) ourselves. We declare our innocence (from them) before You. It was not us they worshipped." S. 28:63
So we led you astray (aghwaynakum) because we were ourselves astray (ghaweena). S. 37:32
Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred (ghawa). S. 53:2
And because Allah misled Satan the devil will now mislead others!

[Iblis (Satan)] said: "By Your Might, then I will surely mislead (laoghwiyannahum)them all," S. 38:82
It is, therefore, clear from the foregoing that Satan was raising a serious charge against Allah’s character by basically identifying him as one who perverts, deceives, or misleads people from the true path!

It seems that the reason why Iblis felt that he had been misled is because Allah condemned him for not obeying a command which was given to the angels:

And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves before Adam.". And they prostrated except Iblis (Satan), he refused and was proud and was one of the disbelievers (disobedient to Allah). S. 2:34
And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being), then We told the angels, "Prostrate to Adam", and they prostrated, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrate. S. 7:11
And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him." So, the angels prostrated themselves, ALL OF THEM together. S. 15:28-30
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves to Adam." They prostrated (all) except Iblis (Satan), who refused. S. 20:116
And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate unto Adam." They prostrated except Iblis (Satan). He said: "Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?" S. 17:61
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him." So the angels prostrated themselves, ALL OF THEM: S. 38:71-73
Note that both Suras 15 and 38 expressly say that ALL the angels prostrated in obedience to Allah’s directive. Yet according to the Quran Iblis is a jinn, not an angel!

And (remember) when We SAID TO THE ANGELS; "Prostrate to Adam." So they prostrated except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinns; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc). S. 18:50
In light of the foregoing, why did Allah blame Satan for not obeying an injunction which was imposed upon the angels and not the jinn? And doesn’t this demonstrate that Satan had a valid argument against Allah for being deceptive and misleading the devil since he blamed him for not obeying a command which wasn’t directed to him at all?

Satan may have also felt misled because of the fact that Allah condemns the worship of creatures:

Surely, those who are with your Lord (angels) are never too proud to perform acts of worship to Him, but they glorify His Praise and prostrate before Him. S. 7:206
And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. S. 41:37
So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone). S. 53:62
And yet here he was watching Allah command angels to worship a creature!

A Muslim may claim that Satan falsely accused Allah of leading him astray, that Satan’s words shouldn’t be taken at face value since he is a liar and a slanderer. The first problem with this response is that Satan doesn’t always lie but, as even the Islamic sources themselves admit, can speak the truth:

And (remember) when Shaitan (Satan) made their (evil) deeds seem fair to them and said, "No one of mankind can overcome you this Day (of the battle of Badr) and verily, I am your neighbour (for each and every help)." But when the two forces came in sight of each other, he ran away and said "Verily, I have nothing to do with you. Verily! I see what you see not. Verily! I fear Allah for Allah is Severe in punishment." S. 8:48
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "If while you are praying, somebody intends to pass in front of you, prevent him; and should he insist, prevent him again; and if he insists again, fight with him (i.e. prevent him violently e.g. pushing him violently), because such a person is (like) a devil."
Narrated Muhammad bin Sirin: Abu Huraira said, "Allah's Apostle put me in charge of the Zakat of Ramadan (i.e. Zakat-ul-Fitr). Someone came to me and started scooping some of the foodstuff of (Zakat) with both hands. I caught him and told him that I would take him to Allah's Apostle." Then Abu Huraira told the whole narration and added "He (i.e. the thief) said, ‘Whenever you go to your bed, recite the Verse of "Al-Kursi" (2.255) for then a guardian from Allah will be guarding you, and Satan will not approach you till dawn.’" On that the Prophet said, "He told you the truth, though he is a liar, and he (the thief) himself was the Satan." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 495)
More importantly, the Quran actually agrees with Satan since it unashamedly admits that Allah does deceive and mislead people!

"And my advice will not profit you, even if I wish to give you good counsel, if Allah's Will is to keep you astray (yughwiyakum). He is your Lord! and to Him you shall return." S. 11:34
And my sincere counsel will not profit you, if I desire to counsel you sincerely, if God desires to pervert you; He is your Lord, and unto Him you shall be returned.' Arberry
There are other passages which, though not using the same word, teach the same point:

Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). S. 4:88
And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them. Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. S. 14:4
A Muslim may further say that Iblis’ response shows that his reason for not bowing to Adam had nothing to do with Allah’s order being directed to the angels, but out of pride and arrogance due to his being created from a superior element (fire) than man (dust). This really doesn’t solve the problem since one must account for the reason Satan thought he had been misled.

Here is a better explanation of the data, one which takes into account all the information provided by the Quran: Iblis’ refusal to bow may have been due to pride at first but he may have later realized that Allah hadn’t directed this command to him, but to the angels. He may have further reflected that Allah was commanding the angels to do the very thing which was forbidden, namely worshiping a creature. After reflecting on all this Satan concluded that he had been duped, even deceived, by Allah since the intention was to cast Iblis out of paradise.

Whatever the case, whatever the explanation, this point stands out clearly: Satan accused Allah of being a perverter, a misleader, with the Quran agreeing that this is what Allah truly is, going so far as to boast that Allah is actually the best schemer/deceiver of them all!
 
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You could be indian but do you choose to have blue eyes or be chad even if your parents were to be good looking?
Genetics are not the answer to everything somethings are simply explained by God's plan
Do you realize since he is a deceiver he mislead you from the only savior Jesus? The Bible warns about it says you will see from their fruits and Mohamed’s fruit were murder, rape, stealing, pedophilia. JHWH warns that if someone else brings news that Jesus isn’t the Son he is the Antichrist. Allah is a high ranked Demon


Dear Muslim Friend,
despite the fact that Muslims and Christians disagree about what the truth is, we both believe that there is such a thing as truth and that truth is important. Logic dictates that two people holding conflicting ideas cannot both be correct, at least one is deceived. Hopefully Muslims and the Christians who passionately disagree with one another are actually concerned about the fate of each other’s souls, not wanting each other to suffer the horrible consequence of following a deceiver. With this in mind, we seek to begin a dialogue concerning a passage of the Quran many Christians find disturbing. We ask that our Muslim friends consider our concerns and we welcome their response.
The passage Surah 3:54 is given below in Arabic.
makr1.jpg
Notice Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:
If one still doubts the meaning of the term, consider Abu Bakr’s testimony to the deceptive character of Allah taken from the "Successors of the Messenger" by Khalid Muhammad Khalid, p. 70:
For those of you who don’t read Arabic Abu Bakr, though promised paradise by Allah and his apostle, while weeping says, "By Allah! I would not feel safe from the deception (same Arabic word) of Allah, even if I had one foot in paradise."
The testimony of Abu Bakr is consistent with the Quran which tells Muslims that they should not feel secure against the Makr or deception of Allah.
"Are they then secure from Allah's scheme (Makr)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (Makr) save folk that perish." S. 7:99 Pickthall
The word translated "scheme" by Pickthall is the same Arabic word (Meem, Kaaf, Rah or Makr) which the dictionary tells us means deception. The Arabic of Surah 7:99 is given below.
Abu Bakr being a true believer in Islam could not feel safe from Allah’s deception (Makr) even though he was promised paradise by Allah and his apostle Muhammad!
Because of the devastating implications of the phrase "Allah Khayrul-Makereen" one prominent Muslim apologist claimed Makereen has a different meaning when applied to the divine. Below are a few problems with this position.
  1. The passage says Allah is the greatest of all makereen. Makereen describes all members of a class of which Allah is the greatest member. If someone is the greatest member of a set they must be a member of that set. Therefore, this Muslim argument is logically impossible.
  2. Neglecting for a moment the logical impossibility of this explanation, let us consider the broader discussion of applying descriptive language to God. Typically adjectives change the strength of their character when applied to greater beings but not the basic character of the word. For example, the word "good" might be applied as an adjective to a dog, a man, and God. Certainly the word "good" became much stronger as it was applied to greater beings. None the less, the word "good" did not have a transformation of its basic character when applied to different types of beings. Good may mean something different in each case but in each case it was something good. If the word makereen becomes stronger in its meaning as applied to greater beings then the objection of the Christian becomes even stronger with that change.
  3. Again neglecting the logical impossibility of the apologist’s explanation, consider the logical consequences of the claim that words have a different meaning when applied to Allah. If the word makereenis transformed from something horrible to something good when applied to Allah then there is no analogy with its usage as applied to men. If this hermeneutical approach is correct then the phrase "no partners" when applied to Allah also has a meaning that is different from its normal sense but any different meaning results in the conclusion that Allah has partners. Thus shirk is a logical consequence of adopting this approach to interpreting the Quran.
  4. If words are allowed to radically change the basic character by the fact that they are associated with Allah then how could one ever have any revelation about Allah in human language? Before such a "revelation" could be understood it would be necessary that mankind would be given a new set of meanings for words when applied to Allah, and perhaps a new set of grammatical rules as well. Can one really call a book a "revelation" if the meanings of the words used in that book have no relation to their previously understood meanings? How is it that one would even know that a word applied to Allah has a radically different type of meaning that it has when applied to man? Could not such a bold assumption if not based in revelation, be considered an act of unbelief, an attempt to reject what Allah has revealed about himself? I know of no record of Muhammad telling us any secret new meanings of words. If one believes that these meanings were revealed after Muhammad then they are in effect saying that they believe in prophets after Muhammad with the authority to change the meanings of words in the Quran.
  5. The context of Surah 3:54 is Allah allegedly deceiving people to believe Jesus died by crucifixion when according to Islam he didn’t. We know from the New Testament that Jesus’ disciples believed that Jesus died from crucifixion. Since in Surah 3:55 Allah tells Jesus, "I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the day of the resurrection", Muslims who believe the Quran can rest assured that the New Testament has been accurately preserved. Otherwise they would have to believe that those who reject faith not only had superiority over the those who followed Jesus, but had it to such an extent that they were able to distort the New Testament, which would of course mean that Surah 3:55 contained a false statement and an empty promise from Allah. Historical accounts indicate that many of Jesus’ disciples and loyal followers were put to death for preaching that Jesus was crucified, died, was buried and rose from the dead. Hence it was not just the unbelievers that Allah deceived but the believers as well. Why would Allah deceive the loyal followers of Jesus, whom the Quran claims is a prophet of Allah? If Allah would deceive Jesus’ loyal followers regarding what they thought they saw and heard, how can we be sure he didn’t deceive Muhammad’s loyal followers concerning what they thought they heard Muhammad saying and saw him doing? Since it was the followers of Muhammad who compiled the Quran, Hadith and Sirat how can we trust their sense perception and memory given that Allah deceived the sense perception and memory of prophet Jesus’ loyal followers? How could Muhammad claim he was confirming that which was before him when Allah in Surah 3:54 is called the greatest deceiver and the Bible says that God cannot lie?
The God revealed in the Bible portrays Himself as being truthful:
"so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us." Hebrews 6:18
"God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?" Numbers 23:19
Jesus told us who the greatest deceiver is:
(Jesus speaking to the unbelievers) "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44
Contrast this to Surah 13:42. Note the word deceive (Meem, Kaaf, Rah) translated plotted and plotting:
"Those who were before them plotted (root = Meem Kaaf Rah); but all plotting (root = Mem Kaaf Rah) is Allah's. He knoweth that which each soul earneth. The disbelievers will come to know for whom will be the sequel of the (heavenly) Home." S. 13:42 Pickthall
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Please meditate on the statements presented in this paper. They are not intended as personal attacks but are simply points to consider. The Quran itself testifies that Allah is the greatest of all makereen (deceivers). If this verse is true, what hope do we have that the rest of the Quran can be trusted? Why should anyone believe and follow a deceiver? Especially when the Bible tells us that Satan is the great deceiver. Please do not follow a deceiver, but follow the God who cannot lie. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me." (John 14:6) We have all lied. We have all sinned. We are all guilty before God. We all deserve to be punished in Hell. But we can be forgiven of our sins if we repent of our sins, believe the gospel and follow Jesus. Abu Bakr didn’t even trust Allah would grant him paradise though he was promised paradise directly by name. He knew Allah was a deceiver, now you do also, wouldn’t you be better off trusting in the promise of forgiveness from the true God who cannot lie?
 
Nice spreading lies like your Devil Allah the first lier. Mohammed beheaded 300 Jews. He raped women after killing the male population. This is definitely a Gods prophet 😂😂😂

In several articles (1, 2, 3, 4) we have made mention that the Quran teaches outright that Allah is capable of lying and deceiving people. In fact, one of the titles which the Quran ascribes to Allah is khayru al-makireen, that Allah is "the best deceiver/schemer/conniver" (cf. S. 3:54; 8:30).

We want to continue our discussion regarding Allah being a deceiver by examining what the Quran says supposedly took place in paradise between Allah and Satan (called Iblis in the Quran) at the time of Adam’s creation. The Quran claims that Allah commanded all the angels to worship Adam, which Satan did not do, prompting Allah to ask him the reason why:


What makes this exchange rather shocking is that Satan accuses Allah of deceiving or misleading him! Here is what the text in question exactly says:


Note the various translations of this specific text by the different versions of the Quran:


The parallel version of this story reads slightly different:


Here is how various versions translate this passage:


Moreover, here is how some Muslim commentators explained S. 7:16:


What makes this even more interesting is that this particular word is always used in its various forms with a negative connotation:


And because Allah misled Satan the devil will now mislead others!


It is, therefore, clear from the foregoing that Satan was raising a serious charge against Allah’s character by basically identifying him as one who perverts, deceives, or misleads people from the true path!

It seems that the reason why Iblis felt that he had been misled is because Allah condemned him for not obeying a command which was given to the angels:


Note that both Suras 15 and 38 expressly say that ALL the angels prostrated in obedience to Allah’s directive. Yet according to the Quran Iblis is a jinn, not an angel!


In light of the foregoing, why did Allah blame Satan for not obeying an injunction which was imposed upon the angels and not the jinn? And doesn’t this demonstrate that Satan had a valid argument against Allah for being deceptive and misleading the devil since he blamed him for not obeying a command which wasn’t directed to him at all?

Satan may have also felt misled because of the fact that Allah condemns the worship of creatures:


And yet here he was watching Allah command angels to worship a creature!

A Muslim may claim that Satan falsely accused Allah of leading him astray, that Satan’s words shouldn’t be taken at face value since he is a liar and a slanderer. The first problem with this response is that Satan doesn’t always lie but, as even the Islamic sources themselves admit, can speak the truth:


More importantly, the Quran actually agrees with Satan since it unashamedly admits that Allah does deceive and mislead people!


There are other passages which, though not using the same word, teach the same point:


A Muslim may further say that Iblis’ response shows that his reason for not bowing to Adam had nothing to do with Allah’s order being directed to the angels, but out of pride and arrogance due to his being created from a superior element (fire) than man (dust). This really doesn’t solve the problem since one must account for the reason Satan thought he had been misled.

Here is a better explanation of the data, one which takes into account all the information provided by the Quran: Iblis’ refusal to bow may have been due to pride at first but he may have later realized that Allah hadn’t directed this command to him, but to the angels. He may have further reflected that Allah was commanding the angels to do the very thing which was forbidden, namely worshiping a creature. After reflecting on all this Satan concluded that he had been duped, even deceived, by Allah since the intention was to cast Iblis out of paradise.

Whatever the case, whatever the explanation, this point stands out clearly: Satan accused Allah of being a perverter, a misleader, with the Quran agreeing that this is what Allah truly is, going so far as to boast that Allah is actually the best schemer/deceiver of them all!
you are retarded none of what you said is true and is just a projection of your "old testament" that got changed over time from killing babies (canaanite kids ) to raping kids (your version of moses )
 
you are retarded none of what you said is true and is just a projection of your "old testament" that got changed over time from killing babies (canaanite kids ) to raping kids (your version of moses )
Israel still kills Canaanite babies (palestines) they are demon spawns
 
Israel still kills Canaanite babies (palestines) they are demon spawns
exactly my point , you think infants can be evil hence you are a brainwashed retard
 
Do you realize since he is a deceiver he mislead you from the only savior Jesus? The Bible warns about it says you will see from their fruits and Mohamed’s fruit were murder, rape, stealing, pedophilia. JHWH warns that if someone else brings news that Jesus isn’t the Son he is the Antichrist. Allah is a high ranked Demon


Dear Muslim Friend,
despite the fact that Muslims and Christians disagree about what the truth is, we both believe that there is such a thing as truth and that truth is important. Logic dictates that two people holding conflicting ideas cannot both be correct, at least one is deceived. Hopefully Muslims and the Christians who passionately disagree with one another are actually concerned about the fate of each other’s souls, not wanting each other to suffer the horrible consequence of following a deceiver. With this in mind, we seek to begin a dialogue concerning a passage of the Quran many Christians find disturbing. We ask that our Muslim friends consider our concerns and we welcome their response.
The passage Surah 3:54 is given below in Arabic.

Notice Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:

If one still doubts the meaning of the term, consider Abu Bakr’s testimony to the deceptive character of Allah taken from the "Successors of the Messenger" by Khalid Muhammad Khalid, p. 70:

For those of you who don’t read Arabic Abu Bakr, though promised paradise by Allah and his apostle, while weeping says, "By Allah! I would not feel safe from the deception (same Arabic word) of Allah, even if I had one foot in paradise."
The testimony of Abu Bakr is consistent with the Quran which tells Muslims that they should not feel secure against the Makr or deception of Allah.

The word translated "scheme" by Pickthall is the same Arabic word (Meem, Kaaf, Rah or Makr) which the dictionary tells us means deception. The Arabic of Surah 7:99 is given below.

Abu Bakr being a true believer in Islam could not feel safe from Allah’s deception (Makr) even though he was promised paradise by Allah and his apostle Muhammad!
Because of the devastating implications of the phrase "Allah Khayrul-Makereen" one prominent Muslim apologist claimed Makereen has a different meaning when applied to the divine. Below are a few problems with this position.
  1. The passage says Allah is the greatest of all makereen. Makereen describes all members of a class of which Allah is the greatest member. If someone is the greatest member of a set they must be a member of that set. Therefore, this Muslim argument is logically impossible.
  2. Neglecting for a moment the logical impossibility of this explanation, let us consider the broader discussion of applying descriptive language to God. Typically adjectives change the strength of their character when applied to greater beings but not the basic character of the word. For example, the word "good" might be applied as an adjective to a dog, a man, and God. Certainly the word "good" became much stronger as it was applied to greater beings. None the less, the word "good" did not have a transformation of its basic character when applied to different types of beings. Good may mean something different in each case but in each case it was something good. If the word makereen becomes stronger in its meaning as applied to greater beings then the objection of the Christian becomes even stronger with that change.
  3. Again neglecting the logical impossibility of the apologist’s explanation, consider the logical consequences of the claim that words have a different meaning when applied to Allah. If the word makereenis transformed from something horrible to something good when applied to Allah then there is no analogy with its usage as applied to men. If this hermeneutical approach is correct then the phrase "no partners" when applied to Allah also has a meaning that is different from its normal sense but any different meaning results in the conclusion that Allah has partners. Thus shirk is a logical consequence of adopting this approach to interpreting the Quran.
  4. If words are allowed to radically change the basic character by the fact that they are associated with Allah then how could one ever have any revelation about Allah in human language? Before such a "revelation" could be understood it would be necessary that mankind would be given a new set of meanings for words when applied to Allah, and perhaps a new set of grammatical rules as well. Can one really call a book a "revelation" if the meanings of the words used in that book have no relation to their previously understood meanings? How is it that one would even know that a word applied to Allah has a radically different type of meaning that it has when applied to man? Could not such a bold assumption if not based in revelation, be considered an act of unbelief, an attempt to reject what Allah has revealed about himself? I know of no record of Muhammad telling us any secret new meanings of words. If one believes that these meanings were revealed after Muhammad then they are in effect saying that they believe in prophets after Muhammad with the authority to change the meanings of words in the Quran.
  5. The context of Surah 3:54 is Allah allegedly deceiving people to believe Jesus died by crucifixion when according to Islam he didn’t. We know from the New Testament that Jesus’ disciples believed that Jesus died from crucifixion. Since in Surah 3:55 Allah tells Jesus, "I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the day of the resurrection", Muslims who believe the Quran can rest assured that the New Testament has been accurately preserved. Otherwise they would have to believe that those who reject faith not only had superiority over the those who followed Jesus, but had it to such an extent that they were able to distort the New Testament, which would of course mean that Surah 3:55 contained a false statement and an empty promise from Allah. Historical accounts indicate that many of Jesus’ disciples and loyal followers were put to death for preaching that Jesus was crucified, died, was buried and rose from the dead. Hence it was not just the unbelievers that Allah deceived but the believers as well. Why would Allah deceive the loyal followers of Jesus, whom the Quran claims is a prophet of Allah? If Allah would deceive Jesus’ loyal followers regarding what they thought they saw and heard, how can we be sure he didn’t deceive Muhammad’s loyal followers concerning what they thought they heard Muhammad saying and saw him doing? Since it was the followers of Muhammad who compiled the Quran, Hadith and Sirat how can we trust their sense perception and memory given that Allah deceived the sense perception and memory of prophet Jesus’ loyal followers? How could Muhammad claim he was confirming that which was before him when Allah in Surah 3:54 is called the greatest deceiver and the Bible says that God cannot lie?
The God revealed in the Bible portrays Himself as being truthful:

Jesus told us who the greatest deceiver is:


Contrast this to Surah 13:42. Note the word deceive (Meem, Kaaf, Rah) translated plotted and plotting:

Please meditate on the statements presented in this paper. They are not intended as personal attacks but are simply points to consider. The Quran itself testifies that Allah is the greatest of all makereen (deceivers). If this verse is true, what hope do we have that the rest of the Quran can be trusted? Why should anyone believe and follow a deceiver? Especially when the Bible tells us that Satan is the great deceiver. Please do not follow a deceiver, but follow the God who cannot lie. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me." (John 14:6) We have all lied. We have all sinned. We are all guilty before God. We all deserve to be punished in Hell. But we can be forgiven of our sins if we repent of our sins, believe the gospel and follow Jesus. Abu Bakr didn’t even trust Allah would grant him paradise though he was promised paradise directly by name. He knew Allah was a deceiver, now you do also, wouldn’t you be better off trusting in the promise of forgiveness from the true God who cannot lie?
https://www.quora.com/The-Quran-ope...share=092bcc1a&srid=uAgGSU&target_type=answer
 
They have demonic souls. They turn into necromorphs when they become adults
Using fancy synonyms doesn't make you right; you are also a retarded incel cuck for supporting the same Jews that think Jesus is currently boiling in a pot of semen per the Talmud, or maybe you are a schizophrenic Ashkenazi Jew. Either way, you are a pathetic piece of existence that is forced to "looksmax" in order to get female attention. Your genetics are worth 0; you will not procreate unless you pretend to be something you're not. You are naturally repellent to foids
 
Using fancy synonyms doesn't make you right; you are also a retarded incel cuck for supporting the same Jews that think Jesus is currently boiling in a pot of semen per the Talmud, or maybe you are a schizophrenic Ashkenazi Jew. Either way, you are a pathetic piece of existence that is forced to "looksmax" in order to get female attention. Your genetics are worth 0; you will not procreate unless you pretend to be something you're not. You are naturally repellent to foids
Cope more hope Jews kill more of you Satan worshippers. Jews are wrong but they pray to the same God unlike you who worships the deceiver allah and a stone in Mecca.

God blessed me with women you’re dreaming of you little shitskin ethnik I will have hundreds of children

I spit on demon Allah and your mass murder rapist pedophil mohammed
 
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