fat grafting / lipo filling for the eye area: how long does it last? what are the benefits/advantages compared to fillers?

[max_frisch]

and can you also fill the area below the eye very close to the nose? because the tear through seem to be the deepest there

 

[max_frisch]

thoughts?

Is Fat the Secret to Youthful Eyes? - NewBeauty

Many physicians rely on a lower blepharoplasty or dermal filler to rejuvenate the delicate eye area, but fat transfers can also help give the under-eye area a plump, youthful glow.

www.newbeauty.com

 

[max_frisch]

so it last at least 3 years

Under-eye fat transfer lasts a few years: study

Fat transferred under the eyes to create a younger-looking face can last for at least three years, suggests a new study of people who had the surgery.

www.reuters.com

i also wonder if „non permanent“ means after 5 years you will look like how you would look like if you havent done anything 5 years ago or if it means its worse then 5 years ago but it still looks better compared to if you wouldnt have done anything 5 years ago

 

[Artemis]

and can you also fill the area below the eye very close to the nose? because the tear through seem to be the deepest there

Oversold DANGEROUS procedure. Surgeons love much because they can literally charge you 10 times for it, because it is "muh surgical procedure with anaesthesia" unlike fillers.

Risks include:

1) Fat death during transplant, in which case you will have lumps under the eyelid, sth like eyebags
2) Fat reabsorption, in which case you might get uneven eyes, and then you also lose money since the fat dissolves
3) Uneven fat application, in which case you are botched, and there is no way to remove the fat, unless leaving ugly scars
4) Huge prices in comparison to fillers given the longevity of ~5-7years (according to latest research)

If you somehow avoid all the above, you will "theoretically" get a permanent-filler-type result.

 

[AlexBrown84]

Do you know how to use the search bar?

Fat graft > filler

 

[Artemis]

Do you know how to use the search bar?

Fat graft > filler

Did you get fat grafts somewhere?

 

[max_frisch]

Did you get fat grafts somewhere?

he is about to get fillers for tearthrough think

so judging by your post he is doing a mistake right?

the only disadvantages of filler at tearthrough seem to be the shine through effect? also can you inject very close to the inner nose? there seem a lot of bloodvessels there

 

[Artemis]

the only disadvantages of filler at tearthrough seem to be the shine through effect?

I don't think so. FIllers are the golden standards of undereye enhancement. The only downside to them is that they are short-lived (relatively)

also can you inject very close to the inner nose? there seem a lot of bloodvessels there

Yes you can injected both fat and fillers near nose.

If they inject HA filler, and you go blind, they have around 5 minutes to reverse it with Hyaluronidase. Sometimes it works. If they inject fat, you go blind. No reversal.

 

[AlexBrown84]

he is about to get fillers for tearthrough think

so judging by your post he is doing a mistake right?

the only disadvantages of filler at tearthrough seem to be the shine through effect? also can you inject very close to the inner nose? there seem a lot of bloodvessels there

Fillers are cope

 

[stressftw]

The blindness risk in fat grafting and fillers is linked to the glabella area, the periorbital area per see is "relatively a safe"

Also, fat grafting when performed with cannula is too large to dive in fine vessels and cause embolism. And fillers are riskier actually because they are thinnier than fat and need maintenance

 

[max_frisch]

I don't think so. FIllers are the golden standards of undereye enhancement. The only downside to them is that they are short-lived (relatively)

Yes you can injected both fat and fillers near nose.

If they inject HA filler, and you go blind, they have around 5 minutes to reverse it with Hyaluronidase. Sometimes it works. If they inject fat, you go blind. No reversal.

fat grafting doesnt last long either now?

 

[Artemis]

fat grafting doesnt last long either now?

No one knows.

Surgeons who do it say it lasts "forever"

But recent research shows it lasts like 5-7 years or sth...

 

[max_frisch]

The blindness risk in fat grafting and fillers is linked to the glabella area, the periorbital area per see is "relatively a safe"

Also, fat grafting when performed with cannula is too large to dive in fine vessels and cause embolism. And fillers are riskier actually because they are thinnier than fat and need maintenance
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whar would you say are the benefits of fat grafting compared to filers?

 

[stressftw]

No one knows.

Surgeons who do it say it lasts "forever"

But recent research shows it lasts like 5-7 years or sth...

Fat grafting results partially last forever although you still keep losing facial fat over time



There are no point claiming that fat graft results last from X to Y years because there are alot of factors that contribute to different outcomes over the years since you arent talking about a "static" material being injected in the area. Weight fluctuations impact on your fat grafting, aging process naturally cause fat declination over time and etc. It's impossible to access how long it does last and u cant quantify how much was lost, because from scientific point of view, once fat integrate the tissue it does behave and signal accordingly to the cells around it. And there are literally no specific time, nor expiration date for it, it's a living tissue. Adipocytes do die. But they're simply replaced with new ones in cycles that repeats throughout most of life. Eventually most people lose the ability to generate new fat cells as they grow older.

Is like saying that transplanted hairs from hair transplant last from X to Y years. That cant be predicted, and the common sense is that the results are permanent although we keep aging and degradating over time.

whar would you say are the benefits of fat grafting compared to filers?

If you want just raw volume, fat grafting is the best procedure because it is a youth fountain. Fat cells are jack of all trade cells and are rich im stemcells, not only they add volume they heavily rejuvenates and improve the skin dramatically. But fat doesnt look sharp like bone or some filler results. U shouldnt add it in areas that you want to be "sharp" like jawline, etc. You better go with fillers or implants in those cases.

But for periorbital area fat grafting is your best bet. I would never inject fillers under my eyes, only fat. And i explained why im not against fillers on upper eyelids whilist im 100% against it under the eyes on the topic about periorbital fat.

Playing with fat is not some casual shit, there are alot of risks envolved like Artemis said, they are real. U should evaluate if you wanna take all those risks and find a very experienced surgeon in that specific area for fat grafting.

 

[max_frisch]

brutal

 

[max_frisch]

fuck man



@AlexBrown84 u will get botched

 

[Deleted member 8771]

fuck man



@AlexBrown84 u will get botched

complications are cope

 

[Tobias Fünke]

The blindness risk in fat grafting and fillers is linked to the glabella area, the periorbital area per see is "relatively a safe"

Also, fat grafting when performed with cannula is too large to dive in fine vessels and cause embolism. And fillers are riskier actually because they are thinnier than fat and need maintenance
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In that chart, what do they mean by risks? Is it risk of a slightly adverse result (like the fat not taking) or risk of a major issue occurring (infection/blindness/death)?

 

[max_frisch]

fzcin christ

 

[stressftw]

In that chart, what do they mean by risks? Is it risk of a slightly adverse result (like the fat not taking) or risk of a major issue occurring (infection/blindness/death)?

Death is out of question as i could read. But blindness seems to be very very rare cases on forehead and it seems to be reversible.

There are many complications many of them arent severe and reversible, some are severe like tissue necrosis and some are insanely severe like blindness. Severe complications are very uncommon and more likely on the riskier areas on the photo.

Ive been reading case reports of blindness through fat grafting and it seems that patients have reversal of the blindness and recovered their vision although that in the majority of reported cases, visual deterioration was severe and irreversible.

"The most common anatomic site of injection precipitating blindness was the glabella, followed by the nasal region, then the nasolabial fold and forehead. But, virtually every anatomic location where filler is injected on the face can result in blindness. Autologous fat was by far the most common filler type to cause blindness, followed by hyaluronic acid."

The periorbital area isnt a "riskier" are to get blind by filler, this misconception occurs because it's the nearest area to the eye.

It seems that even nasolabial area is riskier than periorbital area

 

[Deleted member 8771]

The blindness risk in fat grafting and fillers is linked to the glabella area, the periorbital area per see is "relatively a safe"

Also, fat grafting when performed with cannula is too large to dive in fine vessels and cause embolism. And fillers are riskier actually because they are thinnier than fat and need maintenance
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That's 5.7% chance of turning blind or what?

 

[stressftw]

That's 5.7% chance of turning blind or what?

that's 1 in 5 millions apparently for blindness or death, 5% is overall complication rate

 

[Artemis]

fuck
What are some reputable, experienced eye area fat graft surgeons?

Most of them do it.

But the procedure is so unpredictable that you are playing the gamble anyways. Just go to any specialist, who has done 100+ procedures and has a plastic surgery specialization.

No point in going to stellar names, they will botch you all the same, but will cost 10x more.

 

[Deleted member 3105]

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[tomakine]

I don't think so. FIllers are the golden standards of undereye enhancement. The only downside to them is that they are short-lived (relatively)

Yes you can injected both fat and fillers near nose.

If they inject HA filler, and you go blind, they have around 5 minutes to reverse it with Hyaluronidase. Sometimes it works. If they inject fat, you go blind. No reversal.

They cant hide purleness like fat does too, no ?

 

[Artemis]

They cant hide purleness like fat does too, no ?

No fillers work too in most cases. it really depends.

If you have tyndell effect from fillers, then fat grafts are your only option then...

 

[CuriousGuy]

If you are okay with potentially having a revision (given some of the fat grafts can day, leading to unevenness), then fat grafting is pretty good !