NO BS GUIDE: curing a subhuman eye area (abused dogs GTFIH)

[looks>books]

If your eye is already decent then you can focus on things like shaping brows, bringing out lashes, maybe icing or even a little bit of light concealer fraud. This guide is mostly aimed at completely subhuman eye areas that can't be fixed with any softmaxxes.

U think squinmaxing and eye pulling works?

 

[25howl]

Commending the effort you put into this post!

 

[Deleted member 30959]

Yeah, like what was so groundbreaking about this thread

They stickying anything atp

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

I think all of the "bad implant job" pics were submalar variants placed anteriorly, malar implants placed laterally tend to provide less uncanny results from what I've seen.

So maybe it’s about what soft tissue procedures are done in conjunction with insertion of infraorbital implants. Combining infras with lower bleph + fat grafting seems like the way to go.

 

[WanderingBurro]

U think squinmaxing and eye pulling works?

Squinting if you want to lightly fraud in some pictures but it won't improve your eye area overall. I think eye pulling is a meme.

 

[WanderingBurro]

Yeah, like what was so groundbreaking about this thread

A lot of these points are water on their own but they're usually scattered and disorganised. Rarely are they all brought up together in how they can work in harmony with one another leaving people trying to find one surgery that'll remedy their underdeveloped eye area, that or to reality slap abused dogs who think icing and volufiline will cure their problems.

Not to mention I feel like there's some common misinformation or just a general lack of information regarding these procedures. Most people will throw around the idea of infra orbital implants but rarely do they bring up the fact that 99% of infra results come with some form of lower eyelid surgery or that the fact you can't afford custom implants shouldn't be the be all end all hurdle when some off the shelf designs can do the job decently as is. As for discolouration I rarely see it being brought up other than "it's genetic"/"wear makeup".

 

[WanderingBurro]

Fuark I forgot to add this photo to my original post but procedures here are: malar implants, infra orbitals, and canthoplasty. So basically the result of doing every step listed. (minus discolouration but that's fair because discolouration didn't seem to be present to begin with)

 

[recker12]

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Fuark I forgot to add this photo to my original post but procedures here are: malar implants, infra orbitals, and canthoplasty. So basically the result of doing every step listed. (minus discolouration but that's fair because discolouration didn't seem to be present to begin with)

fuck my eye area is completely trash

 

[ascender23]

What do you think I would need done to my eye area? My canthal tilt is absolutely fucked but I have decent upper eyelid exposure

 

[WanderingBurro]

What do you think I would need done to my eye area? My canthal tilt is absolutely fucked but I have decent upper eyelid exposure

Canthal tilt is a PSL meme, I think proper hooding and eye support is far more important. Hooding seems a bit prominent on the outer sides of your eyes but looks a little lacking inwards, the fat trails off a little into giving the appearance of UEE near the middle. I don't know if added fat could help correct it and even out the tilt.

Rough idea:

 

[elemanzelvadre]

Have already hunter eyes

 

[Frexa]

Just get all the eye surgeries theory

 

[WanderingBurro]

Have already hunter eyes
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Good for you.

Just get all the eye surgeries theory

Unfortunately there's no one easy fix for a subhuman eye area, "baggy skin", "dark circles", "an always tired appearance", often all of these are experienced, they all add to a tired eye area but they all may require different methods to treat.

 

[Mr.Proper]

The tiktok malar implants guy looks a bit uncanny from some angles, but not sure if implants alone or it's a combination of such grooming with them.

 

[ascender23]

Canthal tilt is a PSL meme, I think proper hooding and eye support is far more important. Hooding seems a bit prominent on the outer sides of your eyes but looks a little lacking inwards, the fat trails off a little into giving the appearance of UEE near the middle. I don't know if added fat could help correct it and even out the tilt.

Rough idea:

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Thank you so much that looks so much better, what would I have to do to acheieve that? Im assuming I would need surgery and if so what kinds or do you believe I can achieve this through softmaxes?

 

[WanderingBurro]

Thank you so much that looks so much better, what would I have to do to acheieve that? Im assuming I would need surgery and if so what kinds or do you believe I can achieve this through softmaxes?

It would theoretically consist of a fat graft to your upper eye area which one .org user here did once. You can find more info here:

LTN to HTN Eye Area Transformation

This is my result from ONLY fat Grafting nothing else. DM me for any questions, I also posted this on reddit yesterday but mods temp banned me for breaking some dumbshit rule.

looksmax.org

 

[5foot4currycel]

What surgeries do you suggest for lower eyelid retraction.

 

[cmoon]

Why you didn't mention canthopexy or you just put canthoplasty as a whole "cantho" surgeries?

 

[Asreixcumniggerball]

Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
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Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
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Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

Spoiler: Cheek augmenation results

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Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

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(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

Spoiler: Infra orbital + various skin tightening results

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

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QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

View attachment 3155732

I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND: CANTHOPLASTY

I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND PART TWO: UPPER EYE FAT GRAFTING/BOTOX AND OTHER UPPER EYE STUFF

Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

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Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

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Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

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View attachment 3155771

Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

Nice guide.
Do you think I would benefit from canthoplasty or orbital rim implants? I have kinda talk zygos and idk if orbital implants would "exaggerate" it making my face even wider.

 

[WanderingBurro]

Nice guide.
Do you think I would benefit from canthoplasty or orbital rim implants? I have kinda talk zygos and idk if orbital implants would "exaggerate" it making my face even wider.View attachment 3166228View attachment 3166229

Yeah your zygos seem well developed enough. I don't think looking into rim implants + blepharoplasty would be a bad option.

 

[WanderingBurro]

What surgeries do you suggest for lower eyelid retraction.

Lower blepharoplasty or canthoplasty seem to be the way to go.

 

[WanderingBurro]

Why you didn't mention canthopexy or you just put canthoplasty as a whole "cantho" surgeries?

Isn't canthopexy just a less permanent version of canthoplasty? I don't know too much about these surgeries in particular which is why I didn't talk too much about them.

 

[normie_joe]

Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
View attachment 3155666

Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
View attachment 3155668

Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

Spoiler: Cheek augmenation results

View attachment 3155634
Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

View attachment 3155638
(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

View attachment 3155648
Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

View attachment 3155649
Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

View attachment 3155651
Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

View attachment 3155680

As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

Spoiler: Infra orbital + various skin tightening results

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

View attachment 3155724

QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

View attachment 3155732

I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

View attachment 3155749

Spoiler: BONUS ROUND: CANTHOPLASTY

I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

View attachment 3155750

Spoiler: BONUS ROUND PART TWO: UPPER EYE FAT GRAFTING/BOTOX AND OTHER UPPER EYE STUFF

Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

View attachment 3155761
Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

View attachment 3155762
Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

View attachment 3155763
Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

View attachment 3155768

View attachment 3155771

Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

High effort threads seldom seen nowadays. Well done.

I'm eyeing infras, so gonna give it a more through read later.

 

[cmoon]

Isn't canthopexy just a less permanent version of canthoplasty? I don't know too much about these surgeries in particular which is why I didn't talk too much about them.

as far as i know canthopexy pulls lateral corner of the eye, and canthoplasty shortens lower eyelid, hence canthopexy can increase pfl a little

 

[Sodoku]

@WanderingBurro

Holy fucking shit. Anything is possible.

 

[DoneFor404]

My tear trough is dark in certain lighting and disappears in low lighting or direct lighting, is this due to bad fat pad? Or more of recession and bone problem, i genuinely see some people with very recessed jaw and maxilla and still has good under eye support especially in Asia, I have a decent jaw and okay maxilla development and braces helped but my tear trough are darker on the right side, I tried fillers, PRP, nothing helped so I’m considering just fat grafting as Im not getting implant, also when I used BB cream on the tear trough I literally look normal and awake.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

@WanderingBurro

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Holy fucking shit. Anything is possible.

Nah still mogged by the dude who got giant implants

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

My tear trough is dark in certain lighting and disappears in low lighting or direct lighting, is this due to bad fat pad? Or more of recession and bone problem, i genuinely see some people with very recessed jaw and maxilla and still has good under eye support especially in Asia, I have a decent jaw and okay maxilla development and braces helped but my tear trough are darker on the right side, I tried fillers, PRP, nothing helped so I’m considering just fat grafting as Im not getting implant, also when I used BB cream on the tear trough I literally look normal and awake.

You can tell if you have a negative orbital vector by looking at your side profile.

 

[WanderingBurro]

@WanderingBurro

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Holy fucking shit. Anything is possible.

He's a user on this site, I forget what his tag is though if I remember correctly he got cheek implants, infra implants, and some form of lower eyelid retraction so basically everything on this guide.

 

[diditeverbegin]

0.


Come on I didn't write all this for nothing.

What do you suggest for Dennie Morgan folds and hollowed eyes bhai

 

[diditeverbegin]

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Fuark I forgot to add this photo to my original post but procedures here are: malar implants, infra orbitals, and canthoplasty. So basically the result of doing every step listed. (minus discolouration but that's fair because discolouration didn't seem to be present to begin with)

Holy ascension

 

[breezyhorse]

Dnr lol

 

[WanderingBurro]

What do you suggest for Dennie Morgan folds and hollowed eyes bhai

First time hearing about that actually so I'm not the most sure on how to treat them. Google suggests some of the things mentioned here like laser therapy and lower blepharoplasties.

 

[MA_ascender]

couldnt all these results be achieved with full custom mid face implants?

more like lefort 3

 

[redlorry34]

have you ever looked into eyelash or eyebrow implants I feel like that could be another step with ascending eye area on top of already good guide

 

[WanderingBurro]

more like lefort 3

You're probably not going to get a lefort 3, but yes a lefort 3 would be the holy grail of surgeries.

have you ever looked into eyelash or eyebrow implants I feel like that could be another step with ascending eye area on top of already good guide

I have looked into them and I feel they are also important in creating an aesthetic eye area. But it doesn't really matter how good your lashes or brows are if the rest of your eye area is subhuman which is what I wanted to focus on in this guide (e.g. all the curries with thick ass brows and long lashes but are doomed with curry tier orbitals). Maybe when I have more info on brows and lashes I'll try to make a guide on that too.

 

[ducksoover]

Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
View attachment 3155666

Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
View attachment 3155668

Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

Spoiler: Cheek augmenation results

View attachment 3155634
Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

View attachment 3155638
(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

View attachment 3155648
Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

View attachment 3155649
Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

Spoiler: Infra orbital + various skin tightening results

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

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QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

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I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND: CANTHOPLASTY

I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND PART TWO: UPPER EYE FAT GRAFTING/BOTOX AND OTHER UPPER EYE STUFF

Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

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Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

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Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

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Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

nice thread but I will say that Kojic Acid will NOT help with hyperpigmentation. Yout body will consistently produce melanin in that region and unless you address the melanin production then absolutely nothing will help.

 

[Nihonz9]

Some people will tell you that it doesn't matter how strong your facial features are, if your eye area is below the MTN range there is no salvation. It is truly a make or break area of the face. Considering my eyes are one of my largest failos and I see many here struggling with theirs I'll share various tidbits of info I've gathered. Listen this is a no BS guide. Most of these methods WILL REQUIRE surgery. I'm not going to sell you any "just mew" or "just ice" cope. Some of these copes can maybe help to minorly improve a MTN-HTN eye area but this guide will solely be focused on an LTN to subhuman eye area. Keep in mind that these probably won't give you a chad eye area but should at least stop your eyes from being an active failo.

STEP 1: CHEEK AUGMENTATION

Consider this to be setting the foundation to your eye area. Without proper malar support trying to fix your eye area will be a rather futile effort. Strong LATERAL (I'll explain my emphasis in a moment) will help to prop up a sagging droopy appearance of the skin. Key features of an underdeveloped lateral projection is a tired looking face despite being well rested, a "chubby" face despite being rather lean, very prominent nasolabial folds or eyebags at a young age.

TEST IT OUT:
Take the skin on your midface and pull it SIDEWAYS, you might notice that your eye area improves significantly and if this is the case you are lacking in lateral projection. Remember NOT to pull upwards, this would more so mimic a facial lift which lateral malar projection won't give you. Only pull SIDEWAYS I repeat.

Now the only way to really fix this is to laterally augment your cheeks. Whilst this can be done with filler you're really going to want to go with implants for longevity. Just keep in mind that you want LATERAL projection. If you ever wonder why many cheek implants will give you that "apple bottom" cheek appearance it's because they're both usually lowset and are placed in front of your face (which is called anterior projection), thus they don't do anything to give your skin that crucial side support. Most implants are also of the "submalar" variant which are designed to be placed below the malar region. There exists a far less commonly used "malar" design that's (as the name suggests) placed directly on the malar region. Considering most patients of implants are both women and usually very old it's easy to see why a "fuller" more "rounded" implant might seem more tempting but if you're a guy and young you really want to stay away from these.

Malar implants:
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Submalar (AKA Subhuman) implants:
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Difference in cheek implant placement is demonstrated in this video:


Some people will get a bit carried away and insist you NEED custom implants for them to look decent but in reality you really just need to place them laterally and not too low. Most examples provided down below aren't the result of custom implants.

Spoiler: Cheek augmenation results

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Procedures: cheek + jaw implants, whether they're custom or not is unknown.

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(Top two images) Procedures: cheek filler + brow lifts (Bottom image) off the shelf cheek and chin implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek implants.

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Procedures: off the shelf cheek and chin implants + facelift.

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Procedures: facial filler sculpting + brow lift.

STEP 2 & 3: INFRA ORBITAL IMPLANTS + LOWER BLEPHAROPLASTY

I'll explain why I'm combining two procedures into one. I reckon most of .org is already familiar with this procedure. But for those who don't know infra orbital implants are implants that go directly underneath the eye area to help remedy a depressed looking under eye region. They're great at providing direct support and making an eye look a little less buggy.

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As for a lower blepharoplasty it's a prodecure that removes some excess skin underneath the eye to give the area a tighter appearance. Now the reason I pair both of these together is because adding an infraorbital implant alone isn't usually enough to fix the area directly underneath your eye area and most infra orbital implant results will be paired with some form of blepharoplasty or canthoplasty. In fact it was rather hard to find infra orbital implant results that weren't paired with some sort of undereye skin tightening which again is a reason I have these two procedures paired together.

Also much like malar implants there do exists some off the shelf designs so custom implants aren't always needed for this. Sometimes they'll go by the name "flowers implant".

Spoiler: Infra orbital + various skin tightening results

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + canthoplasty

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Procedures: infraorbital implants.

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Procedures: infra orbital implant + lower blepharoplasty.

STEP 4: FIXING DISCOLOURATION

Alright so one thing a lot of people with subhuman eye areas deal with is hyper pigmentation below the eye which causes the undereye area to look very dark. Usually this is genetic and more prominent amongst non white populations. So here are a few ways you can help remedy this.

KOJIC ACID SOAP
Kojic acid soap is as the name suggests, an acidic soap that's really good at evening out the skin tone. If you struggle with patches of skin that look dark and dead paired with the rest of your face this is a good way to treat it though warning kojic acid soap WILL HEAVILY DRY OUT your skin so be sure to moisturise. There are far more guides on the net on how to properly use kojic acid soap so feel free to read up on guides made by people far more experienced than I.

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QUICK PSA: KOJIC ACID SOAP DOES NOT LIGHTEN YOUR SKIN IT WILL ONLY EVEN OUT YOUR SKIN TONE

Alright I'm going to chimp out for a little and maybe go a little off topic but it's related to kojic acid soap and it fills me with way too much rage but way too many FUCKING SNAKE OIL SALESMEN will try to convince you that kojic acid soap can whiten your skin. IT CANNOT I REPEAT IT CANNOT. The only so called "proof" of this will always be someone taking a picture within the caves of Mumbai and then pairing it with a giga washed out photo that's frauded beyond belief. You WILL NOT lighten your skin with kojic acid. To all these fucking snake oil salesmen who try to convince you that you can GENUINELY FUCKING KILL YOURSELVES I HOPE YOU DIE IN THE BACK ALLEYS OF MUMBAI AND SOME MIDDLE AGED INDIAN MAN ASSAULTS YOUR DEAD ASS CORPSE. MAYBE DYING AND ROTTING LIKE A CORPSE WILL FINALLY CAUSE YOU TO OBTAIN LIGHTER SKIN.

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I swear kojic acid soap brought me down so many fake skin lightening rabbit holes I'm so sick of it. I needed to vent about this madness. I'm so tired of these fucking sheboons and poojeetas turning the flash on their cameras and claiming this stuff will make you at all lighter. I sincerely repeat. Kojic acid soap will only even out your skin tone. NOT LIGHTEN IT.

UNDER EYE LASER TREATMENT
Oh yeah you can also use lasers to deal with under eye discolouration by lasering away some areas of hyperpigmentation. You can find some genuinely decent results out there but this along with using kojic acid soap should really be the final touches to your eye area.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND: CANTHOPLASTY

I feel this isn't something I should leave out but canthoplasty can also drastically change your eye region by screwing around with soft tissue. The only reason it's not getting it's own specialised section is because canthoplasty is a massive wildcard. You really have to trust a surgeon to have an aesthetic eye when preforming a canthoplasty and you run a high risk of becoming botched whilst all the steps above don't really require too much aesthetic knowledge as long as you get your surgeon to do the basic job. There's potential to genuinely achieve a chad eye area with this but it's way too risky for me to so easily recommend.

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Spoiler: BONUS ROUND PART TWO: UPPER EYE FAT GRAFTING/BOTOX AND OTHER UPPER EYE STUFF

Some users on .org have achieved some lifefuel results by tweaking around their upper eye area but unfortunately there's very little info on these procedures outside of .org users exploring uncharted territory.

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Procedures: fat grafts to the top of the eyes.

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Procedures: botox applied to the brows to lower the region and cover up UEE.

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Procedures: brow implants that can help address a flat upper eye region.

WRAPING IT UP:

I know these are a lot of rather invasive steps but unfortunately fixing a subhuman eye area doesn't have one cure. It's not like a recessed chin that can either be fixed with simply augmenting the chin or undergoing bimax. Most failos don't require such a multi-step process to fix like the eye area.

Here are a few eye ascensions that consist of going under various surgeries ranging from implants to fat transfers to some form of canthoplasty.

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Alright enough gatekeeping my knowledge. Well it's less that I was gatekeeping and more so just collecting until I had a place to dump it all in. These will all be things I will hop to be getting done myself in the future and I hope this guide can help "guide" you in the right direction for any of you abused dogs who have no idea where to start for improving your eye area.

Sooo when softmaxxing version for those who don’t want invasive shi done to their face

 

[WanderingBurro]

Sooo when softmaxxing version for those who don’t want invasive shi done to their face

You won't have any gains without the pain. Most softmaxxes are cope and aren't actually going to save your eye area. The only thing softmaxxes are going to help with are fleshing out an already decent eye area (through say growing out brows, lashes, and maybe simple under eye treatments to remedy very mild areas). I've dug through numerous methods to improve the eye area and the only way to improve a TRULY subhuman-LTN eye area is usually through surgery. (sorry icehooding and eyelid pulling isn't going to do much)

 

[Nihonz9]

You won't have any gains without the pain. Most softmaxxes are cope and aren't actually going to save your eye area. The only thing softmaxxes are going to help with are fleshing out an already decent eye area (through say growing out brows, lashes, and maybe simple under eye treatments to remedy very mild areas). I've dug through numerous methods to improve the eye area and the only way to improve a TRULY subhuman-LTN eye area is usually through surgery. (sorry icehooding and eyelid pulling isn't going to do much)

Fair,

 

[Deleted member 78087]

Just make sure you refer to them as the malar region to your surgeon. Zygos is purely an .org'ism and will only make doctors look at you weird.

Read that as orgasm

 

[Chinacurry]

Lower blepharoplasty or canthoplasty seem to be the way to go.

I'm getting blepharoplasty next month with small fat graft

 

[WanderingBurro]

I'm getting blepharoplasty next month with small fat graft

Awesome, keep us updated.

 

[lifeless]

Kojic acid actually does lighten your skin..

 

[WanderingBurro]

Kojic acid actually does lighten your skin..

I've searched far and wide for any evidence that it does and the most I can find are some very obvious lighting frauds. The most it can do is either even out discolouration or help to remove an existing tan (even then you might need Vitamin C supplements, retinoids, and chemical peels in addition to that). Kojic acid does not ligthen your skin.

In fact there really is no way to truly lighten your skin, even if you were blasting hydroquinone.

 

[Chinacurry]

Awesome, keep us updated.

Just had zoom consultations with korean Dr, he said out of the pics I gave him the prime opry and prime Zayn aren't going to happen cos not got the projection of opry and he said zayns eye area not that strong, he's just super young.

He said the result can look like roman reigns, but problem is reigns man thing is upper eyelid, which I'm not getting done, but even if I did I'd need a raising as well to get same shape as him completely

 

[Blud_99]

nice... bump

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

what about infraorbital implants + fatgraft

Surgeon I consulted with does that very often and says it tends to sit more naturally than only infraorbital implants alone

He said my zygos was very proeminent and high but honestly, my undereye area is probably the worst in this whole forum

Simply putting my finger in that gap and lifting the eye up a little bit gives me lifefuel because I look +2 psl with it

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

There is simply no fat below my eyes, it is insane, doc said I would benefit from fatgraft but the possibility of it retaining throughout the months puts me off a little bit (especially when I know how easy I can lose fat)

Tried every softmaxxing method possible, obviously none of them truly worked, softmaxxes are the biggest COPE someone can lean on

maybe eye exercises is the only method which somehow makes sense since I used to have average eye area and after years of bad sleep it has sort of worsened, I swear my eyes used to be better than now

 

[zemult]

@WanderingBurro

Whenever I pull my skin sideways, it doesn't seem to improve my eye area at all and I feel a decent cheekbone. However, I have pretty bad dark circles. Would this more likely be a pigmentation issue rather than a bone issue? May just cope with concealer for the time being if that's the case.

Also, one of my eyes are slightly bigger than the other, but that's probably only fixable through extreme surgeries like Tripod.