Filler = Artificial Fat, Implants = Artificial Bone

[WeiWei]

This is my transformation of 4 years with filler

Lmao looks like uncanny shit, fr. You fucked up

 

[cantfathomcucks]

what is the safest filler choice you can have to temporarily cover lack of volume in for example undereye until you are ready for maxillofacial and implant surgeries?

 

[Bewusst]

There's two types of fillers. Soft fillers such as hyaluronic acid that are mainly used to plump up the face as in sagging, sunken cheeks. The other one is hard fillers such as radiesse/calcium hydroxylapatite, which is better for enhancing the jawline and cheekbones and won't migrate as much as HA. But all fillers are foreign substances to the body and can cause immune reactions such as swelling, histamine release and even trigger autoimmune responses. So best stay away from fillers and implants

 

[coxel]

Opie is right.

I got almost every implants under the sun and my face looks absolutely natural :

-Jaw angle implants
-Supraorbital implants
-Infraorbital implants
-Osteotomy in the form of a genioplasty

However, now everybody can notice filler users, female or male, because of their uncanny look and plasticky appearance.

Nothing trumps osteotomies and implants.

You need at least 15ml+ of fillers injected in your jaw to try to mimick the effects of implants but it's only temporary.

can you dm results, i was mirin your genio curious what the rest has done

 

[kalefartbomb]

I've done about 8ml into my jaw at this point (not chin) over 2.5 years and none of it has migrated. It does make me chuckle a bit all these people paying hundreds to some professional to end up looking bloated and my cheap korean HA filler looks completely natural.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

what is the safest filler choice you can have to temporarily cover lack of volume in for example undereye until you are ready for maxillofacial and implant surgeries?

Waiting and not being an impulsive person

 

[ASM5]

Would custom jaw wraparound implants make my jaw taller ?
Can I go from this :
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To this ? :
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How much approximately could it cost me ? 10k+ ?
I feel like my midface development is ok but my nose and lower third are lacking quite.

Invisible to invisible

 

[LegitUser]

Waiting and not being an impulsive person

Is it a good idea to get fillers for under eye area until I can do a fat graft? I am going to be heightmaxxing with HGH etc so obvs cant have a fat graft cuz it wont take, but I was thinking of getting undereye filler temporarily until thats done with. It's not cope btw im going to get xrays and everything to make sure the growth plates are still open. I would get the filter removed/ dissolved before the fat graft.

If i get MRI to see where it has migrated then get them to inject dissolver there would that be a 100% reliable way of getting it all?

My budget is only £10k so obvs cant get any real surgeries.

also other questions, if I MSE with braces or just braces by itself, while injecting HGH will that enhance the effects of the braces and get the jaw into a better position. I dont think I have any real recession but I can get braces if I pay for the privately (my teeth arent fucked up enough to be paid for by NHS but theres still some misalignment and crowding).

My preffered option would have been to get the fat graft then use a high dose of AI to prevent plate closure and then start HGH after a year after the graft has taken but i cant nuke my brain with high AI dose cuz of med school.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Is it a good idea to get fillers for under eye area until I can do a fat graft? I am going to be heightmaxxing with HGH etc so obvs cant have a fat graft cuz it wont take, but I was thinking of getting undereye filler temporarily until thats done with. It's not cope btw im going to get xrays and everything to make sure the growth plates are still open. I would get the filter removed/ dissolved before the fat graft.

If i get MRI to see where it has migrated then get them to inject dissolver there would that be a 100% reliable way of getting it all?

My budget is only £10k so obvs cant get any real surgeries.

also other questions, if I MSE with braces or just braces by itself, while injecting HGH will that enhance the effects of the braces and get the jaw into a better position. I dont think I have any real recession but I can get braces if I pay for the privately (my teeth arent fucked up enough to be paid for by NHS but theres still some misalignment and crowding).

My preffered option would have been to get the fat graft then use a high dose of AI to prevent plate closure and then start HGH after a year after the graft has taken but i cant nuke my brain with high AI dose cuz of med school.

You’re coping & already know the answers. No it’s not a good idea. A limited budget isn’t an excuse to do things the wrong way.

“I’ll just get an MRI theory”

MRIs cost nearly your whole budget.

 

[LegitUser]

You’re coping & already know the answers. No it’s not a good idea. A limited budget isn’t an excuse to do things the wrong way.

“I’ll just get an MRI theory”

MRIs cost nearly your whole budget.

No? I can book an MRI of the facial bones for £340-£450 depending on the centre I go with. If I want brain & head done at the same time it's £470-£500.

The only inconvenience is travelling out of city but we have good public transport so its just a bus ride away

If I waited till I could afford to do things properly, that's 6-7 years living as a sub5 cuz med school in my country is 6 years and we get paid shit first 2 years after

 

[LegitUser]

No? I can book an MRI of the facial bones for £340-£450 depending on the centre I go with. If I want brain & head done at the same time it's £470-£500.

The only inconvenience is travelling out of city but we have good public transport so its just a bus ride away

If I waited till I could afford to do things properly, that's 6-7 years living as a sub5 cuz med school in my country is 6 years and we get paid shit first 2 years after

Cheaper than a CT scan even

 

[cantfathomcucks]

Waiting and not being an impulsive person

hard choice when you can be mtn instead of subhuman for the time being.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

@RealSurgerymax brother I really want to trust you to have my skull open under your supervision but some things like this comment above about mri, or the other that you argued that strict absolute side profile makes you look more forward grown than facing a bit towards the camera (seeing the other eyebrow) scare me a bit. Your knowledge seems to be unmatched and the sad part is, you have given a lot of hopes to people whose problems are not solved with just a bimax, and need to address the mid and upper third as. well. I want so badly to find out you are legit, you and the surgeons you Co operate, but I still don't know for sure if I can fully trust being cut open and moving my orbital bones or even a LF2.

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

Waiting and not being an impulsive person

@optimisticzoomer

 

[Deleted member 3463]

There's two types of fillers. Soft fillers such as hyaluronic acid that are mainly used to plump up the face as in sagging, sunken cheeks. The other one is hard fillers such as radiesse/calcium hydroxylapatite, which is better for enhancing the jawline and cheekbones and won't migrate as much as HA. But all fillers are foreign substances to the body and can cause immune reactions such as swelling, histamine release and even trigger autoimmune responses. So best stay away from fillers and implants

Fillers don't have the ability to lift the tight layer of the peristoeum, so what happens when you inject filler is that because it can't lift the peristoeum and the tissues above it ,it spreads and it enters the soft tissues. So even if you inject it onto the bone it won't stay there.
You need the durability of a firm construction to lift the tissues and of course you need to release the tissues surgically for this to happen

 

[Metanoia]

Instant Gratification
Using filler as bone might look amazing at first, and all of the before and afters on social media that go viral are minutes after. But they WILL eventually flatten out, migrate and cause a bloated/fat appearance which is completely counter productive to the initial goal of creating facial angularity. On the other hand implants will be swollen at first and need several months to see the final results.

Thicker Consistency (G Prime) is a complete cope
They never stabilize, solidify or integrate into the soft tissue. A gel in the skin will migrate - always seemed like common sense to me but now many studies with MRIs are confirming this. At least fat grafts will become ingrown with blood vessels and stabilize because of living integration into the recipient site.

They don't lift tissue, they will sag it.
Implants are anchored to bone with screws while fillers are hanging in the soft tissue envelope and gravity always wins. Filler will just weigh your face down and it will descend (sag) even more in the long run.

Blocking Lymphatic Drainage
Which causes bloating and recently questions have been raised about a connection to cancer because of this. Fat grafting won't do this (to anywhere near the extent)

It's not easily dissolved with Hyaluronidase
You will pretty much never be able to "find" the filler and 100% dissolve it all. Other fillers (Scultra and Radiesse) have no option for dissolving at all.

It doesn't resorb in a year or two
Almost any plastic surgeon will admit they have realized this in the last few years. It was originally thought that it all resorbs in a year but now we have found out it doesn't resorb very much, just migrates a lot.

Deep filler injections have extreme medical risks that implants don't
No one ever went blind or lost their nose to necrosis from implants, because there is no risk of occluding the blood vessels in an implants surgery. Implants can have complications like infections (so can filler) and other surgical risks but they're not as grave (although can be a big waste of time and money.)

You can get botched by fillers just like with real surgery
Almost all the "Botched Plastic Surgery" in the news is fillers, not surgery. Botched celebs seem like 75% injectables and 25% bad facelifts.

When fillers are appropriate
When you need soft tissue augmentation and don't have much fat to harvest for fat grafting. Fillers were originally made for HIV and cancer patients who have facial wasting. In almost every scenario it's not the ideal choice, just a cheap solution for cheap looking results.

Do you think its worth trying filler to see what you would look like and then get implants later down the line if you like the results? Thats what I plan on doing

 

[currywhowillascends]

Real talk, how safe is something like genio