Fin just arrived, and I'm not even 17 yet jfl (baldcels gtfih)

[irrumator praetor]

Its brutal, im probably a solid year and a half away from being a total, visible, unhideable nw3cel and I'll be 17 in just 4 months, but I plan on first trying out fin before I do a couple "cycles" with RU58841,at least until I turn 18 or 20. Im aware of how early this shit is but the reaper doesn't ask for your age I guess.

Before you ask, I am 100% sure its MPB.

It was free on minoxidilmax anyway & I just paid for the shipping, I also got the 0.5mgs Fin dose.

The main reason I have the balls to try fin out so early is because of this video:



It sort of convinced me and by what he says in this video theoretically I could just continue with fin indefinitely but just to be safe I'll do 1 month and then just do RU58841 until Im done "developing". I could run both I guess, just wanna see if I get any sides from fin, at this age, with the 0.5mg dosage.

My whole stack will be: Mycoseb, Fin, Minox, and maybe a dermaroller when it arrives (it'll probably arrive in the same time as RU).

I will report anything that happens to me, I will track my gym progress (for reference I progress pretty fast for a natty, even 1+ years into training), eat a lot, get good frequent erections, not depressed and am confident, no mood swings or anything. I'd say Im 100% healthy and with normal test levels, although I didn't do any bloodwork yet.

Wish me luck

 

[homo_faber]

i would check with a docor if you have mbp

also are you sure youre going to norwood 3 or is more that you go from norwood 0 to norwood 1

 

[irrumator praetor]

i would check with a docor if you have mbp

also are you sure youre going to norwood 3 or is more that you go from norwood 0 to norwood 1

I already went to a doctor, however they brushed it off as BS and gave me alpacin (which is confirmed to not work) as they don't believe someone can have MPB early.


Nah Im sure it's nw2->nw3, i noticed my hairline maturing and only the crown getting thinner (and the backside). I have MPB genes on both sides of the family so its 100%.

 

[irrumator praetor]

U are a bald loser

Not yet, and not as long as I got money just don't be poor theory

 

[homo_faber]

I already went to a doctor, however they brushed it off as BS and gave me alpacin (which is confirmed to not work) as they don't believe someone can have MPB early.


Nah Im sure it's nw2->nw3, i noticed my hairline maturing and only the crown getting thinner (and the backside). I have MPB genes on both sides of the family so its 100%.

pm pic

 

[currylover]

Buy a wig and glue it to your head.

 

[grimy]

Fuck man, such a shitty predicament. I started at 21 and lowkey wish I waited, but I would be a nw4 by now. Let's just hope your dick is done growing.

 

[Kroker]

If you get sexual sides stop immediately.

Hair and limp dick = over

Decent NW (few hair) + dick = still hope as you get a HT later.

 

[khvirgin]

Good luck hopefully you dont get sides

 

[irrumator praetor]

If you get sexual sides stop immediately.

Hair and limp dick = over

Decent NW (few hair) + dick = still hope as you get a HT later.

Will do. Getting fin just to try out the waters and see if I get any sides. Should be able to use it in a few years anyway

 

[irrumator praetor]

Good luck hopefully you dont get sides

Thanks I just applied the first dose i'll see in 8 hours

 

[Deleted member 17542]

Bruh, you are 17 in puberty and you are suppressing the most important male hormone. IT IS OVER FOR YOU.

 

[irrumator praetor]

Bruh, you are 17 in puberty and you are suppressing the most important male hormone. IT IS OVER FOR YOU.

My dick and beard are already grown nigga. + its just a single month

 

[ChristianChad]

Please just get on Ray Peat diet. 16 year olds don't need fin
My grandfather has solid thick nw2 until he died, and he wasn't non-masc aswell, he was tall and robust.

 

[irrumator praetor]

16 year olds don't need fin

Well I definitely need some sort of anti androgen on my scalp. Thats just how norwooding works. I need some anti androgen until the RU i order arrives anyway, which will be in a month then I can keep the dht and my hair

 

[irrumator praetor]

My grandfather has solid thick nw2 until he died, and he wasn't non-masc aswell, he was tall and robust.

Mirin your grandfather's hair genetics ngl. Certainly a desirable trait

 

[homo_faber]

go to a dermatologist who confirms by using a microscop if you have mpb

 

[2d v2]

Its brutal, im probably a solid year and a half away from being a total, visible, unhideable nw3cel and I'll be 17 in just 4 months, but I plan on first trying out fin before I do a couple "cycles" with RU58841,at least until I turn 18 or 20. Im aware of how early this shit is but the reaper doesn't ask for your age I guess.

Before you ask, I am 100% sure its MPB.

It was free on minoxidilmax anyway & I just paid for the shipping, I also got the 0.5mgs Fin dose.

The main reason I have the balls to try fin out so early is because of this video:



It sort of convinced me and by what he says in this video theoretically I could just continue with fin indefinitely but just to be safe I'll do 1 month and then just do RU58841 until Im done "developing". I could run both I guess, just wanna see if I get any sides from fin, at this age, with the 0.5mg dosage.

My whole stack will be: Mycoseb, Fin, Minox, and maybe a dermaroller when it arrives (it'll probably arrive in the same time as RU).

I will report anything that happens to me, I will track my gym progress (for reference I progress pretty fast for a natty, even 1+ years into training), eat a lot, get good frequent erections, not depressed and am confident, no mood swings or anything. I'd say Im 100% healthy and with normal test levels, although I didn't do any bloodwork yet.

Wish me luck

that video is a pile of shit, DHT causes lower voice and masculine characteristics. You are still developing at 17 and you still need androgens.

 

[.👽.]

fuckkk man idk about this, you are very young.

 

[ChristianChad]

Mirin your grandfather's hair genetics ngl. Certainly a desirable trait

its not genes, its diet
wonder why there are 20 yaer olds now who bald, but when my father was a child you wouldnt EVER see someone who was below 40 and balding

 

[ChristianChad]

here is something i wrote on balding and diet on another post @irrumator praetor

​

just dont take fin

fix your diet
specifically increase your dietary Calcium : Phosphorus ratio to 1:1, *ideally* 2:1 but its very hard to achieve this and I dont recommend it since you will mess up your Magneisum status. On the topic of Magnesium, you will have to increase its intake aswell or you will get bad symptoms, too much Calcium relative to Magnesium is bad. I think the ratio should be 1 : 0.5 ideally ( Calcium : Magnesium ) any higher in unrealistic.

Also increase your Zinc intake via eating more red muscle meat; but also increase your Copper intake by eating organ meats such as Beef Liver, Beef Kidney.. Beef liver from a good butcher is the best imo for getting copper, even though Kidney is higher a bit its very difficult to prepare as a dish, liver is simpler to prepare and tastes better.


Avoid stress, sometimes get a bit of sun exposure, sleep so much that you wake up naturally every day, go on long walks, have sex, stretch...

tldr:​

Input your daily diet on cronometer, notice where u are deficient

Get dietary Calcium : Phosphorus ratio to 1:1
Eat in-general more Magnesium foods (I can elab on good sources and what I eat for Mg)
Increase general Zinc and Copper intake via Red Meat and eating weekly / twice a week Beef Liver from a butcher (not from a supermarket, or else it will taste very very bad.. good liver tastes good and slightly sweet, it should be red / bright red ideally, not grey etc.)
Avoid stress, starvation, darkness, sleep deprivation, moving too little (go on walks, stretch well)



dietary deficiencies have hormonal implications, by fixing diet it will lower Estrogenicity and thus your body will not overproduce Androgens like DHT to compensate for your lack of Testosterone and too much Estradiol. This is one of DHTs functions, in a sense it is produced by stress in men to combat Estrogenicity, otherwise you will suffer extremely from simple stress because you body will not be able to counteract the Estrogen you get from physiologic stress. But it is also produced naturally in a healthy boy/man in all stages of life. Right now I wouldnt mess with it (at your age).

balding nowadays is because of shit diet, specifically underconsumption of dairy and organ meats (how many people u know consume this? the only dairy people eat is slice of cheese on their burger, and and nowadays very few people eat organ meats)... also tons of pufa consumption, plus modern lifestyle produces physiologic stress (which leads to Estrogenicity and then to overproduction of DHT as a way to combat the Estrogenicity)

 

[ChristianChad]

my grandfather was a heavy milk drinker all his life, back in university in the soviet union he sometimes just ate bread and 1 liter of milk. sadly i cant digest it lol because of my fathers side genes, and guess what he is balding.


fixing Calcium : Phosphorus ratio has huge implications.

 

[ChristianChad]

my grandfather was a heavy milk drinker all his life, back in university in the soviet union he sometimes just ate bread and 1 liter of milk. sadly i cant digest it lol because of my fathers side genes, and guess what he is balding.


fixing Calcium : Phosphorus ratio has huge implications.

in Mongolia where both milk and meat consumption is very high, people dont bald. but in the cities, where the people just eat high meat (phoshprous) but no milk (calcium) people bald.

 

[irrumator praetor]

go to a dermatologist who confirms by using a microscop if you have mpb

Bro Im 100% certain its MPB its beginning to be noticable and thinner

 

[irrumator praetor]

fuckkk man idk about this, you are very young.

Gonna try 1 month n see what happens. Got nothing to do while i wait for RU. Will make an update (follow up thread) and I'll note every detail (beard growth, gym performance, mood, energy, erections).

If I get sexual sides I'll just quit immediately and make a follow up thread sooner i guess. Trying to be the least biased so I don't get any placebo/whatever. Theoretically all sides go away once you stop.

Tbf I think I don't need to do this but if I can slow it down for even just a little while Ru arrives, why not lol. Extra time = life fuel. Running on the last few months of decent hair thickness anyway.

 

[.👽.]

Gonna try 1 month n see what happens

i would be worried about missing out on your masculination. u r young and will mature. idk much tbh

 

[irrumator praetor]

that video is a pile of shit, DHT causes lower voice and masculine characteristics. You are still developing at 17 and you still need androgens.

I am aware. The guy looks a tiny bit hysterical. Im already p masculine and have a decent voice but ofc Im not gonna miss out on the last few juices of puberty left. Doing this just because of stupid fucking RU delivery time and because im tight on preserving what I have

 

[irrumator praetor]

in Mongolia where both milk and meat consumption is very high, people dont bald. but in the cities, where the people just eat high meat (phoshprous) but no milk (calcium) people bald.

Interesting read, and it might be the case, but I drink a decent amount of milk already (above average) and MPB is already linked to genetics and Im afraid I don't have time to fuck around much anymore on what will work and what won't

 

[Deleted member 7192]

Not yet, and not as long as I got money just don't be poor theory

You don’t even need a lot of money to kill the Norwood reaper

2k ht in turkey

120 a year of fin medication

 

[ChristianChad]

MPB is already linked to genetics

maybe being prone to MPB is genetic, but the actual cause of it in 90% of cases is shit modern lifestyle. if it was all genetics, the same amount of people would bald 50-100 years ago as they did now. nowadays you have 16 year olds with thinning

native populations start to bald and have diseases when they switch to modern diets. hunter gatherers didnt bald

i asked my grandmother if she ever saw people balding when she was 20 years old, she said never below 40s late 30s. what more proof do you need man? MPB is a fairly recent alignment in many Western countries

 

[irrumator praetor]

maybe being prone to MPB is genetic, but the actual cause of it in 90% of cases is shit modern lifestyle. if it was all genetics, the same amount of people would bald 50-100 years ago as they did now. nowadays you have 16 year olds with thinning

native populations start to bald and have diseases when they switch to modern diets. hunter gatherers didnt bald

i asked my grandmother if she ever saw people balding when she was 20 years old, she said never below 40s late 30s. what more proof do you need man? MPB is a fairly recent alignment in many Western countries

You may have a point ngl. So, you gotta have a 1:1 ratio of eating meat and drinking milk. Im guessing store bought processed milk doesn't count?

 

[2d v2]

I am aware. The guy looks a tiny bit hysterical. Im already p masculine and have a decent voice but ofc Im not gonna miss out on the last few juices of puberty left. Doing this just because of stupid fucking RU delivery time and because im tight on preserving what I have

my voice has dropped significantly from 17 to now 24

 

[ChristianChad]

So, you gotta have a 1:1 ratio of eating meat and drinking milk.

Meat and milk are not the only sources of Calcium and Phosphorus, just they generally high amounts (dairy has high Calcium and little Phosphorus, and meat has high Phosphorus and little Calcium), but other foods also have a bit of Phosphorus and Calcium, if you eat quite a bit of them you have to account for it.

Lets say you eat solely 400 grams of ground beef (770 mg of Phosphorus) and drink 750 grams of milk (around the same number in terms of milliliters) (900 mg of Calcium) in a day, then you would achieve the target of 1:1 dietary ratio of Calcium : Phosphorus.
As I said, other foods will also have a bit of both minerals so u have to account for that
to check theres a site called Cronometer and u can input your food there and get dietary values, its very useful. you dont have to methodically measure every time you eat but after messing around with it you get a general idea how much foods have and if u reach your goal.

 

[ChristianChad]

Im guessing store bought processed milk doesn't count?

depends on what country youre from
if u are in US or Netherlands u may have problems because they add shit like thickeners and artifical vitamins and minerals and shit, which are allergenic.
in general all milk is fine, calcium is calcium. u rarely have access to unpasturised milk anyway

 

[Deleted member 7192]

here is something i wrote on balding and diet on another post @irrumator praetor

​

just dont take fin

fix your diet
specifically increase your dietary Calcium : Phosphorus ratio to 1:1, *ideally* 2:1 but its very hard to achieve this and I dont recommend it since you will mess up your Magneisum status. On the topic of Magnesium, you will have to increase its intake aswell or you will get bad symptoms, too much Calcium relative to Magnesium is bad. I think the ratio should be 1 : 0.5 ideally ( Calcium : Magnesium ) any higher in unrealistic.

Also increase your Zinc intake via eating more red muscle meat; but also increase your Copper intake by eating organ meats such as Beef Liver, Beef Kidney.. Beef liver from a good butcher is the best imo for getting copper, even though Kidney is higher a bit its very difficult to prepare as a dish, liver is simpler to prepare and tastes better.


Avoid stress, sometimes get a bit of sun exposure, sleep so much that you wake up naturally every day, go on long walks, have sex, stretch...

tldr:​

Input your daily diet on cronometer, notice where u are deficient

Get dietary Calcium : Phosphorus ratio to 1:1
Eat in-general more Magnesium foods (I can elab on good sources and what I eat for Mg)
Increase general Zinc and Copper intake via Red Meat and eating weekly / twice a week Beef Liver from a butcher (not from a supermarket, or else it will taste very very bad.. good liver tastes good and slightly sweet, it should be red / bright red ideally, not grey etc.)
Avoid stress, starvation, darkness, sleep deprivation, moving too little (go on walks, stretch well)



dietary deficiencies have hormonal implications, by fixing diet it will lower Estrogenicity and thus your body will not overproduce Androgens like DHT to compensate for your lack of Testosterone and too much Estradiol. This is one of DHTs functions, in a sense it is produced by stress in men to combat Estrogenicity, otherwise you will suffer extremely from simple stress because you body will not be able to counteract the Estrogen you get from physiologic stress. But it is also produced naturally in a healthy boy/man in all stages of life. Right now I wouldnt mess with it (at your age).

balding nowadays is because of shit diet, specifically underconsumption of dairy and organ meats (how many people u know consume this? the only dairy people eat is slice of cheese on their burger, and and nowadays very few people eat organ meats)... also tons of pufa consumption, plus modern lifestyle produces physiologic stress (which leads to Estrogenicity and then to overproduction of DHT as a way to combat the Estrogenicity)

Can’t you just supplement calcium I can’t drink milk jfl

 

[ChristianChad]

Can’t you just supplement calcium I can’t drink milk jfl

I cant either i eat hard cheese, water from boiled green leafy vegetables (kale, swiss chard) and fruit juice / ripe fruits (it adds up)

some days I also eat some eggshell powder for Calcium aswell.

 

[Deleted member 7192]

I cant either i eat hard cheese, water from boiled green leafy vegetables (kale, swiss chard) and fruit juice / ripe fruits (it adds up)

some days I also eat some eggshell powder for Calcium aswell.

Why not just a vitamin pill?

 

[UglyGod360]

You shouldn't take that shit. It's not good for the body, it could kill you. If you don't believe me go ask any doctor. Or you can be a fool and take that shit and then have your heart not work the same as if you were turning 86

 

[leloucheREBORN]

Get some ru.it’s topical!!
I would never use fin unless it’s really necessary and then only if I am on high steroids (so I still have high androgens in Body).

 

[ChristianChad]

dietary deficiencies have hormonal implications

Messed up Calcium : Phopsorus ratio specifically is very signifanct in balding.

 

[irrumator praetor]

Update @ day 5:
Thread '5th day on fin @ 16/17, update' https://looksmax.org/threads/5th-day-on-fin-16-17-update.459739/

 

[Rabbi]

Its brutal, im probably a solid year and a half away from being a total, visible, unhideable nw3cel and I'll be 17 in just 4 months, but I plan on first trying out fin before I do a couple "cycles" with RU58841,at least until I turn 18 or 20. Im aware of how early this shit is but the reaper doesn't ask for your age I guess.

Before you ask, I am 100% sure its MPB.

It was free on minoxidilmax anyway & I just paid for the shipping, I also got the 0.5mgs Fin dose.

The main reason I have the balls to try fin out so early is because of this video:



It sort of convinced me and by what he says in this video theoretically I could just continue with fin indefinitely but just to be safe I'll do 1 month and then just do RU58841 until Im done "developing". I could run both I guess, just wanna see if I get any sides from fin, at this age, with the 0.5mg dosage.

My whole stack will be: Mycoseb, Fin, Minox, and maybe a dermaroller when it arrives (it'll probably arrive in the same time as RU).

I will report anything that happens to me, I will track my gym progress (for reference I progress pretty fast for a natty, even 1+ years into training), eat a lot, get good frequent erections, not depressed and am confident, no mood swings or anything. I'd say Im 100% healthy and with normal test levels, although I didn't do any bloodwork yet.

Wish me luck

Don’t use it yet tbh delay with minoxidil as long as possible(19-21 ish), if your pubic hair is still growing and you’ve seen a difference in either or both your testicle and dick size in the last year I wouldn’t touch it.

 

[Deleted member 7192]

Don’t use it yet tbh delay with minoxidil as long as possible(19-21 ish), if your pubic hair is still growing and you’ve seen a difference in either or both your testicle and dick size in the last year I wouldn’t touch it.

Won’t the Norwood reaper rape him when he gets of Min though? Since by the cycle of the hairs are shortened

Or is that a lie that minoxidal leaves you worse off than baseline

 

[Rabbi]

Won’t the Norwood reaper rape him when he gets of Min though? Since by the cycle of the hairs are shortened

Or is that a lie that minoxidal leaves you worse off than baseline

He will hold onto more hair than if he starts minoxidil even though it doesn’t target the root cause of miniaturisation it can “salvage” some hairs that would other wise be lost and then when he can hop on fin those hairs that are only there and haven’t fallen out due to minoxidil usage can have the DHT problem addressed and miniaturisation halted.

 

[Carpediem]

Its brutal, im probably a solid year and a half away from being a total, visible, unhideable nw3cel and I'll be 17 in just 4 months, but I plan on first trying out fin before I do a couple "cycles" with RU58841,at least until I turn 18 or 20. Im aware of how early this shit is but the reaper doesn't ask for your age I guess.

Before you ask, I am 100% sure its MPB.

It was free on minoxidilmax anyway & I just paid for the shipping, I also got the 0.5mgs Fin dose.

The main reason I have the balls to try fin out so early is because of this video:



It sort of convinced me and by what he says in this video theoretically I could just continue with fin indefinitely but just to be safe I'll do 1 month and then just do RU58841 until Im done "developing". I could run both I guess, just wanna see if I get any sides from fin, at this age, with the 0.5mg dosage.

My whole stack will be: Mycoseb, Fin, Minox, and maybe a dermaroller when it arrives (it'll probably arrive in the same time as RU).

I will report anything that happens to me, I will track my gym progress (for reference I progress pretty fast for a natty, even 1+ years into training), eat a lot, get good frequent erections, not depressed and am confident, no mood swings or anything. I'd say Im 100% healthy and with normal test levels, although I didn't do any bloodwork yet.

Wish me luck

Do u have pic of your hair?

 

[Deleted member 7192]

He will hold onto more hair than if he starts minoxidil even though it doesn’t target the root cause of miniaturisation it can “salvage” some hairs that would other wise be lost and then when he can hop on fin those hairs that are only there and haven’t fallen out due to minoxidil usage can have the DHT problem addressed and miniaturisation halted.

What if the min stops working before he can reach a age to take fin?

What will happen to his hair will he go to baseline? Sorry for bothering you bhai

 

[Rabbi]

What if the min stops working before he can reach a age to take fin?

What will happen to his hair will he go to baseline? Sorry for bothering you bhai

Min doesn’t just stop working, because it doesn’t tackle the root cause of DHT it cannot stop miniaturisation however it can increase the thickness of hair.

Just sketched a shitty graph I’m on my phone, the x axis is time and the y axis is hair

Min vs No min.

Let the red line be when he starts min aka his baseline, assuming his hair responds to min it will get thicker and increase in volume, however because DHT is not being dealt with miniaturisation will continue. Even though he’s got more hair after using fin overtime his hair will still miniaturise and may even revert back to baseline levels, this does not mean the the drug is not working it just means that miniaturisation is continuing, remember had he not used minoxidil his hair would be even worse than previous baseline, minoxidil in this case is only used to buy time until he can use finasteride and stop the root cause, all he needs to do now is hang onto as much hair as possible until the right age even micro needling with minox.

Let the end blue line be the start of finasteride when he reaches appropriate age the goal is to have as much hair salvaged by then.

Take an alternate scenario where he’s a but if a dumbass

Let’s say he starts using minoxidil (no waiting for finasteride). At red (baseline) he chooses to take minoxidil, let the red dotted line be the trajectory has he not taken minoxidil. He gets a response his hair thickens he thinks he’s solving the issue when in reality DHT is still progressing, his hair peaks from the minoxidil response but again miniaturisation is continuing so he starts to lose hair until he’s back to where he started. Let’s say at this point where the green line is he says “fuck it the drugs stopped working” and he stops using, remember that those hairs are only here due to minoxidil and are dependent on it as miniaturisation has not been dealt with, all that extra hair he’s holding onto will fall out and he will lose hair and return to his original trajectory considering he has not being treating DHT the root cause.

Minoxidil should only be used in this case to buy time.

 

[BearBoy]

its not genes, its diet
wonder why there are 20 yaer olds now who bald, but when my father was a child you wouldnt EVER see someone who was below 40 and balding

my diet is shit and has been over the years yet i have full hair almost a afro and very hairy body and got a full beard

its genes.

 

[Deleted member 7192]

Min doesn’t just stop working, because it doesn’t tackle the root cause of DHT it cannot stop miniaturisation however it can increase the thickness of hair.

Just sketched a shitty graph I’m on my phone, the x axis is time and the y axis is hair

Min vs No min.View attachment 1546034

Let the red line be when he starts min aka his baseline, assuming his hair responds to min it will get thicker and increase in volume, however because DHT is not being dealt with miniaturisation will continue. Even though he’s got more hair after using fin overtime his hair will still miniaturise and may even revert back to baseline levels, this does not mean the the drug is not working it just means that miniaturisation is continuing, remember had he not used minoxidil his hair would be even worse than previous baseline, minoxidil in this case is only used to buy time until he can use finasteride and stop the root cause, all he needs to do now is hang onto as much hair as possible until the right age even micro needling with minox.

Let the end blue line be the start of finasteride when he reaches appropriate age the goal is to have as much hair salvaged by then.

Take an alternate scenario where he’s a but if a dumbass
View attachment 1546048
Let’s say he starts using minoxidil (no waiting for finasteride). At red (baseline) he chooses to take minoxidil, let the red dotted line be the trajectory has he not taken minoxidil. He gets a response his hair thickens he thinks he’s solving the issue when in reality DHT is still progressing, his hair peaks from the minoxidil response but again miniaturisation is continuing so he starts to lose hair until he’s back to where he started. Let’s say at this point where the green line is he says “fuck it the drugs stopped working” and he stops using, remember that those hairs are only here due to minoxidil and are dependent on it as miniaturisation has not been dealt with, all that extra hair he’s holding onto will fall out and he will lose hair and return to his original trajectory considering he has not being treating DHT the root cause.

Minoxidil should only be used in this case to buy time.

Fuark I love you

So pretty much tho you have to use minoxidal for life

There’s no hopping off even when you eventually do get fin

 

[Rabbi]

Fuark I love you

So pretty much tho you have to use minoxidal for life

There’s no hopping off even when you eventually do get fin

The guys on the video I sent you they have said they ideally both use it but in patients they start with min only they start fin using both and once miniaturisation comes to a halt or is reversing people have been able to quit minoxidil as that root cause of hairloss is no longer ongoing with the finasteride. But yes you won’t be able to immediately switch from one to the other as it will take time for finasteride to do it’s job and preserve the hairs.