finally, for the first time, someone ends the debate on whether bone smashing is effective or not ( ultra high iq thread)

[ihatemySOST]

I think im gonna make better one since i got more data

 

[JkCel]

Please do bro was that actually you in Blake's comment section ? and could you tag me

I think im gonna make better one since i got more data

 

[ihatemySOST]

Please do bro was that actually you in Blake's comment section ? abd could you tag me

Yes im “ Saif ghnaym”

 

[unlawfulwaffle]

Yes im “ Saif ghnaym”

haha saw you in the comments and immediately opened the link and closed the vid. great thread bro mirin.

what would be the recommended safest and most effective way to bonesmash? and for how long (especially considering the rodeo riders saw crazy changes from such short times, would short frequent bonesmashing maybe be safer?)?

 

[rotation]

Do u think u can debate me? Do u think u have 0.00000% chance to win? I dont think that tho

this nigga speaks like a retard

or a 12 year old

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

people who deny bones grow through stress/trauma are just low iq

Just looked at English longbowmen back in the day, their bones literally grew differently after drawing longbows all their life, one arm’s bones were significantly more developed from drawing 100 pounds of weight constantly

 

[ihatemySOST]

this nigga speaks like a retard

or a 12 year old

Yeah I admit that

 

[ihatemySOST]

haha saw you in the comments and immediately opened the link and closed the vid. great thread bro mirin.

what would be the recommended safest and most effective way to bonesmash? and for how long (especially considering the rodeo riders saw crazy changes from such short times, would short frequent bonesmashing maybe be safer?)?

U just need few hits to cut blood vessels

 

[ihatemySOST]

people who deny bones grow through stress/trauma are just low iq

Just looked at English longbowmen back in the day, their bones literally grew differently after drawing longbows all their life, one arm’s bones were significantly more developed from drawing 100 pounds of weight constantly

Can u share source?

 

[unlawfulwaffle]

U just need few hits to cut blood vessels

daily? weekly?

also what are your thoughts on blake saying doing medium force for like 10 min ?
12:25-14:10

 

[Kroker]

Tag me in your next thread GrAY

 

[LTNUser]

yh i can, im on drugs studycelling rn tho remind me cuz ill forget, but in dms

Are you free now?I replied late because I couldn't find this thread earlier

 

[ihatemySOST]

daily? weekly?

also what are your thoughts on blake saying doing medium force for like 10 min ?
12:25-14:10

Weekly

 

[ihatemySOST]

Tag me in your next thread GrAY

I dont know how to do that

 

[Kroker]

I dont know how to do that

Use @ then insert my username

 

[ihatemySOST]

Use @ then insert my username

@rekorK u are not exist bro

 

[dawooddX]

Are you free now?I replied late because I couldn't find this thread earlier

yh dm me

 

[yuvdon]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

View attachment 4165471View attachment 4165472View attachment 4165477View attachment 4165478View attachment 4165481View attachment 4165482View attachment 4165484View attachment 4165485View attachment 4165487





Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

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Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



View attachment 4165526View attachment 4165527View attachment 4165528View attachment 4165530View attachment 4165531
Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


View attachment 4165535[ATTACH type="full"]4165536[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165537[/ATTACH]

Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

clinmedjournals.org

A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

High iq mirin

 

[0ogrpostcel]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

View attachment 4165471View attachment 4165472View attachment 4165477View attachment 4165478View attachment 4165481View attachment 4165482View attachment 4165484View attachment 4165485View attachment 4165487





Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

View attachment 4165512View attachment 4165514[ATTACH type="full"]4165516[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165519[/ATTACH]
Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



View attachment 4165526View attachment 4165527View attachment 4165528View attachment 4165530View attachment 4165531
Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


View attachment 4165535[ATTACH type="full"]4165536[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165537[/ATTACH]

Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

clinmedjournals.org

A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

Now tell us how to bonesmash accurately

 

[Kroker]

@rekorK u are not exist bro

That’s the custom title

Mine is Kroker

 

[jeoyw9192]

I think im gonna make better one since i got more data

whats the new data?

yh i can, im on drugs studycelling rn tho remind me cuz ill forget, but in dms

dmed you bro

 

[ihatemySOST]

That’s the custom title

Mine is Kroker

whats the new data

More proves for face bone and adaption to mechanical stress

 

[PrinzMil]

Good Thread came from blakes vid talking about this. Will be interesting looking into it.

 

[White Pakistani]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

View attachment 4165471View attachment 4165472View attachment 4165477View attachment 4165478View attachment 4165481View attachment 4165482View attachment 4165484View attachment 4165485View attachment 4165487





Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

View attachment 4165512View attachment 4165514[ATTACH type="full"]4165516[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165519[/ATTACH]
Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



View attachment 4165526View attachment 4165527View attachment 4165528View attachment 4165530View attachment 4165531
Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


View attachment 4165535[ATTACH type="full"]4165536[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165537[/ATTACH]

Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

clinmedjournals.org

A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

bhai make a guide on how to do it properly

 

[Kurdish_slayer]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

View attachment 4165471View attachment 4165472View attachment 4165477View attachment 4165478View attachment 4165481View attachment 4165482View attachment 4165484View attachment 4165485View attachment 4165487





Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

View attachment 4165512View attachment 4165514[ATTACH type="full"]4165516[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165519[/ATTACH]
Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



View attachment 4165526View attachment 4165527View attachment 4165528View attachment 4165530View attachment 4165531
Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


View attachment 4165535[ATTACH type="full"]4165536[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165537[/ATTACH]

Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

clinmedjournals.org

A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

I'm not fucking going to read all that, can you summarize it for me?

 

[Zagro]

this nigga speaks like a retard

or a 12 year old

Yeah he always talks like this and then loses the debate

 

[ihatemySOST]

Yeah he always talks like this and then loses the debate

Im still waiting u to reply from 2 weeks btw

 

[Zagro]

Im still waiting u to reply from 2 weeks btw

I already won that debate you fucking retard lol, you stopped debating and just started fucking speaking nonsense and said some shit like “the truth hurts” while i had proved my point and debunked yours

 

[ihatemySOST]

I already won that debate you fucking retard lol, you stopped debating and just started fucking speaking nonsense and said some shit like “the truth hurts” while i had proved my

Who determined that you won the debate? You can't simply determine that before the debate ends. I've been waiting for your response for two weeks.
All you're saying is that you won the debate, but you haven't responded at all.
How did you decide you won?

 

[Zagro]

Who determined that you won the debate? You can't simply determine that before the debate ends. I've been waiting for your response for two weeks.
All you're saying is that you won the debate, but you haven't responded at all.
How did you decide you won?

How do you want me to respond? Saying “The truth hurts” after I’ve made a decent point and pointed out the flaws in your argument doesn’t continue the debate, it simply means you have no answer for my argument and result to trying to verbally put me down with shit like “Just accept the truth hgh doesn’t do anything/The truth hurts”.

This automatically means that i have won the debate as you have no further argument that debunks my claims.

You haven’t been waiting for anything you retard , you should check the thread again and read your last few posts where you just stop debating and start talking bullshit. You literally said age isn’t relevant when taking hGH when its the only argument for why hGH wouldn’t work for most . You’re basically saying hGH wont even work if you took it at 8 or as a zygote.

How fucking retarded are you?



You have fully lost the debate after your last few posts saying no drugs work regardless of age, bioavailability or dosage and you even added atleast this is what clinical studies say when clinical studies say the exact fucking opposite thing

You literally gave up the debate yourself bud

 

[Orka]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

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Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

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Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



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Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


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Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

clinmedjournals.org

A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

LITERA Reader

reader.z-library.sk

If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

I don't know how the pictures and study links disappeared. It seems to be a glitch on the site. Oh my God, I won't write this post again it took so much time

I just read everything in this thread, you're arguably one of the best users on the forum right now, appeared out of nowhere and everything you say is backed by some sort of credible source.
Good work! I admit that I used to say bonesmashing didn't work in threads asking, but to be quite honest I had not done much research into it.

The only thing I could think of while reading was that the ulna/femur are both built with thick cortices that are made to handle & respond to trauma, so the numbers wouldn't translate well to facial growth. But even that logic might be a little bit flawed. ( I'm sure you're much more versed in this topic than I am ).

Good shit

 

[ihatemySOST]

How do you want me to respond? Saying “The truth hurts” after I’ve made a decent point and pointed out the flaws in your argument doesn’t continue the debate, it simply means you have no answer for my argument and result to trying to verbally put me down with shit like “Just accept the truth hgh doesn’t do anything/The truth hurts”.

This automatically means that i have won the debate as you have no further argument that debunks my claims.

You haven’t been waiting for anything you retard , you should check the thread again and read your last few posts where you just stop debating and start talking bullshit. You literally said age isn’t relevant when taking hGH when its the only argument for why hGH wouldn’t work for most . You’re basically saying hGH wont even work if you took it at 8 or as a zygote.

How fucking retarded are you?

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You have fully lost the debate after your last few posts saying no drugs work regardless of age, bioavailability or dosage and you even added atleast this is what clinical studies say when clinical studies say the exact fucking opposite thing

You literally gave up the debate yourself bud

99.99% shit talking and insulting, 0.1% debating

 

[ihatemySOST]

I just read everything in this thread, you're arguably one of the best users on the forum right now, appeared out of nowhere and everything you say is backed by some sort of credible source.
Good work! I admit that I used to say bonesmashing didn't work in threads asking, but to be quite honest I had not done much research into it.

The only thing I could think of while reading was that the ulna/femur are both built with thick cortices that are made to handle & respond to trauma, so the numbers wouldn't translate well to facial growth. But even that logic might be a little bit flawed. ( I'm sure you're much more versed in this topic than I am ).

Good shit

Thank you, I appreciate all of this! But actually you are wrong. Subperiosteal hematoma and bony enlargement can occur much more easily in facial bones, since the periosteum is much more loosely attached to facial bones than it is to the femur/tibia. I can prove this with case reports of people who sustain weak trauma to their facial bones, and after a while develop massive bony enlargement at the site of the injury (usually not aesthetically pleasing due to the randomness, but the concept still applies).

 

[Zagro]

99.99% shit talking and insulting, 0.1% debating

@rotation do you see how this nigga is projecting



I’m genuinely worried about your mental health man I’m serious, like there has to be something wrong with you if you posted this in a serious matter. I haven’t seen projecting like this ever in my life.

 

[rotation]

99.99% shit talking and insulting, 0.1% debating

adds up to 100.09%

retard

 

[ihatemySOST]

@rotation do you see how this nigga is projecting

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I’m genuinely worried about your mental health man I’m serious, like there has to be something wrong with you if you posted this in a serious matter. I haven’t seen projecting like this ever in my life.

I don't understand what you mean, brother. I don't know if you actually look at clinical studies, but treatment with growth hormone for prepubescent children for several years barely increases final height, i dont understand whats even ur point

 

[ihatemySOST]

adds up to 100.09%

retard

Fuck u nigger

 

[rotation]

@rotation do you see how this nigga is projecting

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I’m genuinely worried about your mental health man I’m serious, like there has to be something wrong with you if you posted this in a serious matter. I haven’t seen projecting like this ever in my life.

niggas last posts are just bullshit yapping

and then complains about not being able to debate

 

[ihatemySOST]

niggas last posts are just bullshit yapping

and then complains about not being able to debate

@rotation do you see how this nigga is projecting

Is that your dady ohh

 

[Zagro]

I just read everything in this thread, you're arguably one of the best users on the forum right now

Theres no way that this wasn’t sarcasm please tell me it is, do you genuinely think this retard has an iq above 90? This retard has been around for a good amount of time rotting on discords and has been bulshitting ever since. Just take royal jelly and bee pollen bro!

I don't understand what you mean, brother. I don't know if you actually look at clinical studies, but treatment with growth hormone for prepubescent children for several years barely increases final height, i dont understand whats even ur point

“It's a defense mechanism in which people attribute their own behaviors, impulses, and emotions to another person without realizing it. Signs of psychological projection include being overly critical, making accusations, and defensiveness. It can be a sign of a mental health issue like anxiety or depression.” This is what projecting means, now reflect on yourself and realise it

It increases final height and it’s not barely, you can go and cherrypick studies lol come on. Wanna continue the debate on hGH in my thread? If so go on bro I’d be happy to debunk you and have some laughs whilst reading your posts

niggas last posts are just bullshit yapping

and then complains about not being able to debate

He’s mentally challenged

 

[Orka]

Theres no way that this wasn’t sarcasm please tell me it is, do you genuinely think this retard has an iq above 90? This retard has been around for a good amount of time rotting on discords and has been bulshitting ever since. Just take royal jelly and bee pollen bro!

I'm not familiar with him nor any other of his takes aside from a few of his threads, but the threads I have seen him make have been backed by sources almost every time.

I haven't seen anything from him about royal jelly and bee pollen

 

[rotation]

Is that your dady ohh

nigga stop projecting

you start getting defensive and spewing insults as soon as you stop getting dicksucked

and no user with above retard intelligence types like this

+ i was calling you a retard long before zagro came to this specific thread

 

[ihatemySOST]

Theres no way that this wasn’t sarcasm please tell me it is, do you genuinely think this retard has an iq above 90? This retard has been around for a good amount of time rotting on discords and has been bulshitting ever since. Just take royal jelly and bee pollen bro!


“It's a defense mechanism in which people attribute their own behaviors, impulses, and emotions to another person without realizing it. Signs of psychological projection include being overly critical, making accusations, and defensiveness. It can be a sign of a mental health issue like anxiety or depression.” This is what projecting means, now reflect on yourself and realise it

It increases final height and it’s not barely, you can go and cherrypick studies lol come on. Wanna continue the debate on hGH in my thread? If so go on bro I’d be happy to debunk you and have some laughs whilst reading your posts


He’s mentally challenged

Tell me first , Tell me three things, first when did i talk about bee pollen + royal jelly, second how much do you think rGH has the ability to increase final height, third what is the dosage, treatment period, and age required to achieve the increase you mentioned

 

[ihatemySOST]

nigga stop projecting

you start getting defensive and spewing insults as soon as you stop getting dicksucked

and no user with above retard intelligence types like this

+ i was calling you a retard long before zagro came to this specific thread

 

[Zagro]

Tell me first , Tell me three things, first when did i talk about bee pollen + royal jelly, second how much do you think rGH has the ability to increase final height, third what is the dosage, treatment period, and age required to achieve the increase you mentioned

Will answer and tag you for the second and third question in my hGH thread.

For the first question your discord server promoted this and many other weird shit alongside it with the promise of significant changes, they are things you have written yourself.

 

[ihatemySOST]

Will answer and tag you for the second and third question in my hGH thread.

For the first question your discord server promoted this and many other weird shit alongside it with the promise of significant changes, they are things you have written yourself.

Me ? And discord server? Are u sure?

 

[Zagro]

Me ? And discord server? Are u sure?

Yeah you’re Arabic and your user was Saif nah? With a berserk pfp pretty sure atleast it was

 

[ihatemySOST]

Yeah you’re Arabic and your user was Saif nah? With a berserk pfp pretty sure atleast it was

Yes, but i didn’t promote those things

 

[dessert]

this nigga speaks like a retard

or a 12 year old

He's 100% brown but you can't deny he's bringing some pretty good evidence to the discussion

 

[White Pakistani]

The never-ending debate in this community has always been: Does bone smashing actually work? Unfortunately, when people try to prove it, they almost always rely on Wolff’s law. All that Wolff’s law states is that trabecular and cortical bone increase in density when exposed to mechanical stress (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499863/). It never says anything about bones increasing in size as a result of trauma.





On the other side, those who argue that it doesn’t work usually bring up weak points as well, saying that bone only increases in density, not size, and that bones need controlled, physiological types of stress to adapt, such as chewing, running, or exercising, rather than random hits.




So in the end, whether it’s the people who believe bone smashing works or those who completely dismiss it, both sides usually end up presenting weak arguments.

So thats leave the question: does bone smashing actually work

this post will divide to Tow parts

1. A scientific explanation of how it works.
2. Real-life scientific evidence that proves its effectiveness.

So lets stast with the first part : science based explanation
In the beginning, when a bone is struck directly, small blood vessels known as subperiosteal capillaries can rupture. Once these vessels break, blood leaks out and forms what is called a subperiosteal hematoma. This condition causes the periosteum to lift away from the cortical bone, creating an inflammatory space between the cortical bone and the periosteum.





The periosteum itself has an inner layer called the cambium, which is very rich in mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and immature osteoblasts. Under normal conditions this layer remains relatively inactive, but it quickly becomes activated when the periosteum is lifted away from the cortex.





This elevation of the periosteum triggers an increase in the expression of Runx2, TGF-β2, and the Wnt/β-catenin signaling pathway. The activation of these pathways rapidly recruits immature osteoblasts to mature into active bone-forming cells, while also driving osteoprogenitor cells to differentiate into new osteoblasts. As a result, the hematoma that formed between the periosteum and the cortex begins to calcify, leading to the formation of a new bony layer.

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Sources:
-https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11786143/
-
https://sharondewitte.wordpress.com...-and-healed-periosteal-new-bone-formation.pdf



Summary: When a bone receives a direct trauam, the blood vessels rupture, leading to the formation of a subperiosteal hematoma. This lifts the periosteum, and eventually the hematoma calcifies and transforms into new bone


So after reading this, ask yourself: isn’t the swelling and bulge caused by bone smashing the clearest evidence of its effectiveness according to bone biology? Luckily, the answer is: yes.







so now i will move to part 2 :
I will show alot of studies to prove my point, so get ready please.
Study #1

Bony hypertrophy of the forearm in bareback rodeo athletes - PubMed

There are significant anatomic differences in the grip arm of bareback rodeo athletes compared to the contralateral arm. In cases of persistent pain in the grip arm and no evidence of acute injury, these differences may be relevant to pain symptoms and should be considered as part of the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This study examined professional bareback rodeo riders (without a saddle), showing extreme bone hypertrophy in the ulna. The hypertrophy results from direct trauma and impact with the hip bone. For perspective, some individuals had up to a 92% increase in bone diameter and a 268% increase in cross-sectional area, which is extremely unusual. The image in the study shows significant hypertrophy, though not the individual with nearly doubled bone diameter.





If anyone claims this hypertrophy is caused by muscle pull alone, that is incorrect. The main reason is direct trauma to the bone, supported by the following:

1. Many other sports generate high torsional forces on the bone, but hypertrophy does not exceed 10% compared to rodeo riders, indicating torsion alone cannot explain the extreme growth. Direct trauma plays a key role.
2. The hypertrophy occurs only in the area where the humerus contacts the hip bone, exactly at the point of contact and impact. This localized growth confirms direct pressure and trauma are the main causes.
3. Hypertrophy was observed only in riders without a saddle, where the humerus presses directly against the hip. Saddles act as a barrier that reduces direct pressure and trauma, preventing bone growth.
4. The large variation in hypertrophy between individuals is due to some using protective pads that reduce trauma, while others did not. This shows how protection affects trauma and the extent of hypertrophy.
5. Significant hypertrophy is seen in bareback riders, but not in saddle riders, further supporting that direct trauma and impact are the main drivers of bone growth.

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Study #2


https://reader.z-library.sk/read/bc...4f5ca2d25511e411cd99274aaa2a01e1e75af408e60e1





Honestly, this is personally my favorite study to prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. This study was conducted in 1980 on 60 participants, 37 of whom were professional riders without a saddle. Guess what? As I mentioned before, significant bone hypertrophy occurred only in those who practiced horseback riding without a saddle (I explained the reason before, because this type requires the rider’s ulna to hit and contact the hip). To understand more about this process that happens during the race, here is a direct quote from the study:





“On observing a contestant who is riding, the riding arm is noted to contact the anterior iliac crest and the heavily resined chaps (Fig. 3). The event requires strength, timing, balance, and courage. Ideally, the forearm should be tucked against the pelvis and chaps. Failure to maintain this position, resulting in hammering action of the forearm against pelvis and chaps.”





Oh my God, I can’t believe it, the scientists literally wrote “hammering action”! Who would believe this? Hammering movements on the bone cause severe bone hypertrophy. Wait, what does this remind you of? Yes, exactly the same thing you were trying to prove wrong, which is hammering your face. And luckily, the scientists also mentioned that bone hypertrophy occurred due to periosteal inflammation resulting from trauma to the bone. Yes, literally. You can look at the image below and you will notice severe bone hypertrophy at the place where the ulna hits the hip. Oh my God, all this hypertrophy happens in just an 8-second round!!! Just this very short time is enough to cause extreme bone growth. The answer is yes, lol



View attachment 4165526View attachment 4165527View attachment 4165528View attachment 4165530View attachment 4165531
Study #3

Localized, time-dependent responses of rat cranial bone to repeated mild traumatic brain injuries - Scientific Reports

While it is well-established that bone responds dynamically to mechanical loading, the effects of mild traumatic brain injury (mTBI) on cranial bone composition are unclear. We hypothesized that repeated mTBI (rmTBI) would change the microstructure of cranial bones, without gross skull...

www.nature.com

The scientists wanted to study the effect of direct impacts on bone shape in skull bones. They designed a device to deliver a direct impact to the bone. They applied the impact only twice (just two light hits) and measured after two weeks and after ten weeks. After two weeks, there was mild bone hypertrophy, but after ten weeks, there was severe and very clear bone hypertrophy. This shows that the effects on bone hypertrophy continued to increase even after only two impacts. The study also mentioned that bone hypertrophy could occur due to trauma.


View attachment 4165535[ATTACH type="full"]4165536[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full"]4165537[/ATTACH]

Study #4

Unilateral mid-femoral periosteal newbone of varying aetiology in children. Radiographic analysis of 25 cases - PubMed

Thigh pain is a serious condition in childhood and should be promptly and thoroughly investigated. Twenty-five cases of thigh pain lasting between 1 day and 7 months with mid-femoral periosteal thickening were analysed. There were 10 patients with Ewing's sarcoma, 7 with eosinophilic granuloma...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The scientists reported that some children had increased thickness in the midshaft of the femur, and they stated that the cause of some of these cases was direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165539



Therefore, this is evidence that direct trauma can cause bone hypertrophy.


Study #5

Periosteal thickening as a manifestation of trauma in infancy - PubMed

This paper reports the findings in a study of the incidence of periosteal elevation in children and its possible relationship to child abuse. Two separate sets of radiographs of the skeleton of children were taken for a variety of diagnostic purposes. The suspected abuse set consisted of 59...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Once again, the scientists observed hypertrophy of the cortical bone due to direct trauma to the bone.

View attachment 4165540


Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the injury.

View attachment 4165548


Org does now allow me for add more photos after this , so i will share the studies without photos , if u want to see the bone hypertrophy, click in the link
Study #6

Myositis ossificans circumscripta of the thigh: A pediatric case report - PMC

Circumscribed myositis ossificans is a benign process of focal heterotopic ossification of the soft tissues, occurring in young subjects, usually following trauma. We report a case of a 15-year-old patient who suffered a direct trauma to the thigh ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A 15-year-old child experienced direct trauma to his femur (yes, the scientists literally mentioned direct trauma). You can look at the image below, where you will find severe bone hypertrophy at the site of the direct trauma

Study #7

Case Report: Ossified Subperiosteal Hematoma in the Humerus of a Lacrosse Player

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A case report on a Lacrosse player (this sport requires direct contact with the opponent to gain possession of the ball). The player reported pain in the area left exposed “between his shoulder and elbow pads”. Because the area was exposed, it was subjected to direct trauma, which caused a subperiosteal hematoma. Then it calcified and became bone (visible on X-ray). Oh my God, this conclusively proves my theory!! I previously explained that direct trauma to the bone causes a hematoma by rupturing the blood vessels between the periosteum and the bone, lifting the periosteum and forming a subperiosteal hematoma, which then forms new bone, exactly like this case, as described literally by the scientists.





So doesn’t this perfectly match what happens in bone smashing???




Study number 8#

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On a 17-year-old football player, the ulna bone kept being exposed to direct trauma, scientists reported after a period swelling at the exact site of the injury, and they reported that the cause of this swelling is “repeated micro trauma.” You can look at the study to see the hypertrophy

Proof 9#

Subperiosteal Hematoma of the Ankle - PMC

Periosteal reaction has a long list of differential diagnoses ranging from trauma, infection, metabolic disease to malignancy. The morphology of periosteal reaction shown in imaging studies helps to narrow down the list of differential diagnoses. A ...

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A person fell and injured his ankle. Scientists reported very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury, and the reason? Subperiosteal hematoma followed by calcification into bone (they mentioned this verbatim). Oh my God, this once again agrees with my statement that direct trauma to the bone causes a subperiosteal hematoma, which then calcifies and becomes bone. Another direct piece of evidence


Proof 10#

Post-Traumatic Peripheral Giant Osteoma in the Frontal Bone - PMC

Osteomas are benign, slow-growing tumors that most frequently occur in the craniomaxillofacial region. These tumors are mostly asymptomatic and are generally found incidentally. A giant osteoma is generally considered to be greater than 30 mm in ...

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A 35-year-old woman experienced a very severe injury to her frontal bone. After a period, X-rays showed very severe bone hypertrophy at the exact site of the injury. You can look at the study and you will see massive bone hypertrophy



Proof 11#

https://cdn.mdedge.com/files/s3fs-public/Document/September-2017/039080396.pdf

A 30-year-old woman directly hit her finger on a cabinet, and severe bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of the injury. This means the cause of this hypertrophy is direct trauma


Proof 12#

Atypical Presentation of Non-Ossifying Fibroma in a Professional Muay Thai Boxer: A Case Report and a Narrative Review of the Literature - PMC

Sports injuries occur during sport athletic activities, or exercising. However, there are some lesions which are typically associated to sports, in such a demanding and physical sport like Muay Thai that no typical lesion has been detected yet. We ...

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A Muay Thai boxer, her bone was exposed to direct micro trauma. X-rays show periosteal hypertrophy at the site exposed to the impact


Proof 13#

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If you know the sport of sumo before, you will notice that participants hit each other directly. As a result, in two cases, bone hypertrophy occurred at the site of impact (as scientists mentioned verbatim due to “repeated micro trauma”). Even with a very high fat mass protecting the bones, some force still reached the bones and caused clear hypertrophy


Proof 14#





I do not know exactly what sport this is, but the athlete repeatedly hits the bone of his foot. You can look at the image below and you will see very severe bone hypertrophy, perhaps even double the bone, especially in the fibulaView attachment 4165594



I’m done. I believe the scientific explanation and the evidence are sufficient to conclusively prove the effectiveness of bone smashing. If you want to debate or think you have a chance to win an argument against me about whether bone smashing is effective or not, you can present your argument no one is stopping you, and I will respond to it. If you start presenting stupid arguments or try to make fun of this post, I will automatically consider you a person with a very low IQ, and I will not debate you

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