Finally got it

[Deleted member 3020]

Protocol: 1 turn per day until suture split. Then 2 turns everyday while wearing FM

 

[needsolution]

Wish you ascension brah

 

[DutchPrettyBoy]

mirinmirin

 

[The Bleach Pill]

Why not facebow? And make sure you megadose mk4, mk677 ect and do some chewing especially with the incisors.

 

[retard]

If you have an overbite you 100% need to be using facebow* instead of facemask, normally protraction is normally only done with underbite ppl where chin cup is ok but since you have the opposite you need to ensure the mandible comes forward or you will just accentuate your overbite

 

[JustBeCurry]

how long are you having mse+fm for?

 

[Deleted member 1862]

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Protocol: 1 turn per day until suture split. Then 2 turns everyday while wearing FM

congrats man

 

[The Bleach Pill]

If you have an overbite you 100% need to be using facebow* instead of facemask, normally protraction is normally only done with underbite ppl where chin cup is ok but since you have the opposite you need to ensure the mandible comes forward or you will just accentuate your overbite

Wouldn't the face mask have the same effect as the face bow because when forward growth is achieved the mandible will automatically jut forward in order to compliment the new position of the maxilla.

 

[retard]

Wouldn't the face mask have the same effect as the face bow because when forward growth is achieved the mandible will automatically jut forward in order to compliment the new position of the maxilla.

that’s only if the mandible is unrestrained, if it wants to grow forward the counter force will restrict it, chin cup therapy is used alone to limit excess mandible growth

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Wouldn't the face mask have the same effect as the face bow because when forward growth is achieved the mandible will automatically jut forward in order to compliment the new position of the maxilla.

If you have an overbite you 100% need to be using facebow* instead of facemask, normally protraction is normally only done with underbite ppl where chin cup is ok but since you have the opposite you need to ensure the mandible comes forward or you will just accentuate your overbite

My ortho talked to some colleagues and was it confirmed the mandible follows the maxilla during protraction. Not exactly sure if the chin cup builds resistance, but my ortho gave me it without a doubt. I told him exactly I want both the jaws to go forward and he even agreed with me when I asked him if the mandible will autorotate. Chin cup might pressure jaw joints tho

 

[Deleted member 3020]

@Incoming @fuccccc

 

[retard]

My ortho talked to some colleagues and was it confirmed the mandible follows the maxilla during protraction. Not exactly sure if the chin cup builds resistance, but my ortho gave me it without a doubt. I told him exactly I want both the jaws to go forward and he even agreed with me when I asked him if the mandible will autorotate. Chin cup might pressure jaw joints tho

autorotation is only one aspect of having the mandible follow, and that aspect should be fine with chin cup, however there is also the position and actual length of the mandible that needs to be accounted for, for making your jaw grow forwards and chin cup counters one of those and possibly both

The reason your ortho didn’t bat an eye is because chin cup is the only known way to combine with protraction, it’s the bread and butter, there is a .1% chance he has even heard of a face bow

The autorotation will only account for the mandible adapting in you guessed it, the rotational aspect, however with face mask you are both causing a rotation + GROWTH, if you don’t also induce a growth of the mandible (or positioning change), and your maxilla grows forward while your maxilla does not you will only worsen the overbite

 

[Deleted member 3020]

autorotation is only one aspect of having the mandible follow, and that aspect should be fine with chin cup, however there is also the position and actual length of the mandible that needs to be accounted for, for making your jaw grow forwards and chin cup counters one of those and possibly both

The reason your ortho didn’t bat an eye is because chin cup is the only known way to combine with protraction, it’s the bread and butter, there is a .1% chance he has even heard of a face bow

The autorotation will only account for the mandible adapting in you guessed it, the rotational aspect, however with face mask you are both causing a rotation + GROWTH, if you don’t also induce a growth of the mandible (or positioning change), and your maxilla grows forward while your maxilla does not you will only worsen the overbite


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Can u link study

 

[retard]

Can u link study

Maxillary protraction: treatment and posttreatment effects - PubMed

This study evaluated the treatment response and posttreatment follow-up of children with Class III malocclusions treated with palatal expansion and reverse-pull face mask to the maxilla. The sample included 22 white children, 9 boys and 13 girls. Treatment began at a mean age of 9.8 years (range...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Let’s fucking go big W, keep giving updates

I see an ENT next week, getting one step closer....

 

[000]

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@retard didn’t you say that you should turn at a faster rate because of more skeletal change?

 

[retard]

@retard didn’t you say that you should turn at a faster rate because of more skeletal change?

slow expansion is (apparently) the best for skeletal change, I was surprised about his turning protocol, usually it’s the inverse of his plans

 

[000]

slow expansion is (apparently) the best for skeletal change, I was surprised about his turning protocol, usually it’s the inverse of his plans

I’m trying to find your thread that said you changed your mind on slow expansion. You said in one of your threads that you needed fast expansion and chewing to make sure the mandible grows with the maxilla. You keep contradicting yourself, which one is it? So slow expansion will make the mandible catch up with the maxilla?

 

[Greecgawd]

From where did u get it?

 

[Maxout]

 

[retard]

I’m trying to find your thread that said you changed your mind on slow expansion. You said in one of your threads that you needed fast expansion and chewing to make sure the mandible grows with the maxilla. You keep contradicting yourself, which one is it

someone on TGW said according to won moon slow expansion results in more midfacial changes, I only said fast once and obviously moon knows more about it than myself (if the third party wasn’t bsing)

 

[000]

someone on TGW said according to won moon slow expansion results in more midfacial changes, I only said fast once and obviously moon knows more about it than myself (if the third party wasn’t bsing)

What’s his instagram

 

[Deleted member 3020]

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[Deleted member 3020]

slow expansion is (apparently) the best for skeletal change, I was surprised about his turning protocol, usually it’s the inverse of his plans

It’s my orthodontist’s protocol. And I think 1 turn is pretty fast because I am 15. And 2 turns after suture split is considered rapid expansion. Which I think he’s telling me to do that for some reason that I don’t know yet
Also btw amazing how the body adapts to shit. Hours ago, I was so uncomfortable from the ortho cement and a chunk of metal in my mouth now I’m comfortable

how long are you having mse+fm for?

All treatment 22 months

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Congrats, someone actually doing something

 

[retard]

Did you have a lateral cephlogram taken?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Did you have a lateral cephlogram taken?

Yes when u go to ortho, they usually take a whole 360 X-ray of your skull. I saw mine on the monitor and I am so fuckinf rEcessed

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Let’s fucking go big W, keep giving updates

I see an ENT next week, getting one step closer....

I got a referral to the ENT what should I say to him/her? I also got sleep apnea and insurance if that helps also

 

[rorro]

how much is it costing you?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

how much is it costing you?

$6.7k

 

[Deleted member 6113]

$6.7k

Decent. It's gonna cost me an arm and a leg

 

[rorro]

$6.7k

doesn’t seem that bad compared to other numbers ive seen. are u planning to get msdo or anything else like that?

 

[wagbox]

Facepulling is cope

Awaiting your bimax post

 

[Deleted member 4053]

I got a referral to the ENT what should I say to him/her? I also got sleep apnea and insurance if that helps also

Mostly you should emphasize your problems with breathing and talk about how narrow your nasal airways are. I also have sleeping issues, although if they did a sleep study that would suck, but if it meant proving my problems I would do it. They won't know too much about MSE, don't focus on it heavily. Not all insurance covers certain treatments so make sure yours does. I'll find out soon if mine does fingers crossed

 

[Deleted member 3020]

doesn’t seem that bad compared to other numbers ive seen. are u planning to get msdo or anything else like that?

No, don’t plan to get surgeries rn.

Facepulling is cope

Awaiting your bimax post

orthodontist gave me it for a reason son

 

[JosephGarrot123]

Mostly you should emphasize your problems with breathing and talk about how narrow your nasal airways are. I also have sleeping issues, although if they did a sleep study that would suck, but if it meant proving my problems I would do it. They won't know too much about MSE, don't focus on it heavily. Not all insurance covers certain treatments so make sure yours does. I'll find out soon if mine does fingers crossed

Yeah I recently got done a sleep study and I couldn't breath at all while sleeping so my nasal airways is small as fuck so I might have a high chance of getting it covered by my insurance. Something like MARPE would still be beneficial my palate isn't super narrow nor is it wide however I heard that it might make your zygos wider I mean my zygos are wide as fuck Idk if I really want to make it even more wider. Do you know if I should get this when my zygos are already wide as fuck?

 

[wagbox]

No, don’t plan to get surgeries rn.

orthodontist gave me it for a reason son

I could ask an ortho to give me fucking acceledent son

 

[NarcyChadlite]

Yo... thats already an above average palate (hard to confirm b/c lighting) and dental arch .... WTF

why r u even getting mse.. breathing? subhuman zygos?
Wish you best of luck but.... ur not gonna become jawhacks 2.0 r u??

TO

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Yeah I recently got done a sleep study and I couldn't breath at all while sleeping so my nasal airways is small as fuck so I might have a high chance of getting it covered by my insurance. Something like MARPE would still be beneficial my palate isn't super narrow nor is it wide however I heard that it might make your zygos wider I mean my zygos are wide as fuck Idk if I really want to make it even more wider. Do you know if I should get this when my zygos are already wide as fuck?

up to you, depends on how wide they actually are

 

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WTH? Your starting IMW is what Im trying to acheive....damn.

Good thing that you are keeping a close eye on your palate at your age though.

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Is that with braces too?

Yes

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Did insurance cover a portion? That’s very good.

No insurance covers nothing

 

[ShineBright]

Reply to this post with "MSE MSE GET AWAY FROM ME" or else you'll be cursed with baboon mouth & wobbly teeth

 

[Deleted member 3020]

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Reply to this post with "MSE MSE GET AWAY FROM ME" or else you'll be cursed with baboon mouth & wobbly teeth

That doesn’t seem to be happening to me