[FINASTERIDE USERS READ THIS] I've fixed brain fog and ADD

[CupOfCoffee]

For those who don't know I'm on TRT and fin, two very dangerous things if you don't know what you're doing. I've had insane brain fog and attention issues ever since going on PED's and then finasteride nuked my attention span and made me extremely anxious and unfocused. Couldn't ever relax at all. Then a few weeks ago I stumbled across a channel on YT called Leoandlongevity and he has several videos discussing how to deal with finasteride issues, and one thing he focuses a lot on is the importance of progesterone in males. It turns out, progesterone is converted in the body into important neurosteroid hormones, the most important one being Allopregnanolone. It turns out allopreg is a key step in synthesizing GABA in the brain, and if you're on steroids or TRT your HPA axis is shutdown, thus you have zero progesterone and thus very impaired GABA signalling, causing a person to get very edgy anxious and feeling like crap. 5ar enzyme is what actually converts Pregnenolone into allopregnanolone, so if your on either TRT or fin, or even worse both, you MUST fill in this gap. A lot of finasteride side effects are not related to the reduction in DHT, it is the neurosteroid deficiency that is fucking with people's brains literally.

I made a thread about my brain fog issues a couple months ago, and I have literally fixed the issue by taking Pregnenolone supplements and rubbing progesterone cream on my head (which interestingly can block DHT actually). And I completely quit alcohol, ie never a drop again. I also used to have erection issues, now that I fixed this issue my boners are always 95%-100% hard and my blood pressure is lower too. Do not skip on this if you're experiencing issues with TRT and/or Finasteride.

Peace bros

 

[Deleted member 8576]

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[Deleted member 9670]

How do you fix it?

 

[Deleted member 9670]

What dose Pregnenolone do you take?

 

[CupOfCoffee]

What dose Pregnenolone do you take?

I'm taking currently 50 mg in the morning and 50 mg before I sleep. I actually bought progesterone injectable that I can inject with my testosterone and see how that goes. Also got an anxiety med but I will take alongside finasteride every other day to up regulate gaba transmission and manage side effects. Not benzos by the way I will never touch benzos unless I'm tripping really bad on mushrooms I need to stop the trip

 

[Deleted member 275]

Never noticed a single difference before/after taking finasteride excep ball ache the first week.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

For those who don't know allopregnenolone is the hormone that is given to women after they give birth and it decreases because of a decrease in progesterone causing serious anxiety and depression in some cases. I think doctors who don't give you this information when prescribing finasteride are very incompetent and stupid, it basically took away a year of my life where I got nothing productive done and gave me serious anxiety erectile dysfunction and low mood.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Never noticed a single difference before/after taking finasteride excep ball ache the first week.

Me neither it's something that comes but you don't realize that it's actually there. The anxiety and depression feel like it's natural and you don't realize that it's coming from the medication unless you really think about it

 

[lasthope]

Me neither it's something that comes but you don't realize that it's actually there. The anxiety and depression feel like it's natural and you don't realize that it's coming from the medication unless you really think about it

Sounds like nocebo bro

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Sounds like nocebo bro

Nope. There is no doubt about it lol, I'm literally finally feeling my muscles relax and my tension lower without alcohol/phenibut for the first time in 18 months, I'm not making this shit up

 

[lasthope]

Nope. There is no doubt about it lol, I'm literally finally feeling my muscles relax and my tension lower without alcohol/phenibut for the first time in 18 months, I'm not making this shit up

So you still in fin but just take pregnanolone?

I need to jump on fin probably soon that’s why am asking

 

[CupOfCoffee]

So you still in fin but just take pregnanolone?

I need to jump on fin probably soon that’s why am asking

Yeah I ordered progesterone from India but it hasn't gotten to me yet. Currently I just take Pregnenolone and progesterone cream topically and the difference is very very noticeable. I would recommend if you're going to take finasteride to get your total and free testosterone levels checked and to take progesterone since the pathway that is inhibited by finasteride is the conversion of dihydroprogesterone into allopregnanolone. This is just my speculation, it also wouldn't hurt to get your progesterone levels checked before and after you try this to ensure that your levels don't go too high, although high progesterone levels are not necessarily a bad thing. I'll report back on the results from taking progesterone once the shipment comes.

 

[lasthope]

Yeah I ordered progesterone from India but it hasn't gotten to me yet. Currently I just take Pregnenolone and progesterone cream topically and the difference is very very noticeable. I would recommend if you're going to take finasteride to get your total and free testosterone levels checked and to take progesterone since the pathway that is inhibited by finasteride is the conversion of dihydroprogesterone into allopregnanolone. This is just my speculation, it also wouldn't hurt to get your progesterone levels checked before and after you try this to ensure that your levels don't go too high, although high progesterone levels are not necessarily a bad thing. I'll report back on the results from taking progesterone once the shipment comes.

I just checked total t and e

Will probably just hop in a low dose and see what’s happen

i just hope I don’t get any sides so I don’t need to take a bunch of thinks

 

[CupOfCoffee]

I just checked total t and e

Will probably just hop in a low dose and see what’s happen

i just hope I don’t get any sides so I don’t need to take a bunch of thinks

For finasteride usually your testosterone and the remaining 30-35% of DHT remaining is sufficient androgens to keep your masculinity intact and libido should be fine. I really think the erection problems predominantly are related to neurosteroids and poor gaba function. In some rare cases if a guy is low T he might suffer from the low androgenic activity but definitely not common. My TRT dose is totally enough to give me 100% erections and a very high libido even on fin and I'm on 180mg Test. If your young the DHT is not going to be an issue.

Imo finasteride should always be combined with progesterone in some form, it's a night and day difference, tonight I was chilling with friends and even without a drop of alcohol or anything I was very relaxed and happy, which is almost never the case for me without alcohol or drugs.

And imo TRT should always be run with progesterone or at least HCG. If you look back at posts of mine from a month or two ago I was saying that for some odd reason when I take HCG I feel a lot better than just test. This is the reason lol, by taking HCG you turn on the gonads thus you start making these steroid hormones again, it all makes a lot more sense now. Jfl. I can't believe I didn't realize what was happening, throughout 2020 I was taking all kinds of antidepressants and anxiolytics and became an alcoholic because I couldn't pinpoint what the fuck was wrong

 

[joeveniro]

not ironically should be in the BOB, but first you shoud elab better ngl
also bookmarked thanks OP

 

[CupOfCoffee]

not ironically should be in the BOB, but first you shoud elab better ngl
also bookmarked thanks OP

Thanks bro, once I experiment a bit more with progesterone in different forms and get blood tests for prog/preg/dhea I can advise on what works best. There also seems to be a lot of promise in the use of Etifoxine as an adjunct treatment with finasteride to reverse the whole blockade of the neurosteroid cascade, which will be much worse if the HPG axis is shutdown from TRT or steroids for instance. Whether this causes down regulation of Gaba receptors with long term use is unclear, but imo it's still interesting to see how using it alongside TRT and finasteride can alleviate the common side effects and allow a person to enjoy the benefits of high T without worrying too much about hairloss and without the brutal mental/sexual side effects that come with Finasteride and/or TRT

 

[grimy]

Finally a constructive finasteride thread that isn't fear mongering or something retarded. I'm going to check out that YT channel and do my own analysis before buying, but cool to know thanks.

 

[Ritalincel]

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[CupOfCoffee]

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[Deleted member 12344]

Never noticed a single difference before/after taking finasteride excep ball ache the first week.

Cope or really ? I am nw 1 and 20 now but alll of my family recedes to nw 3 at 25

 

[Deleted member 12344]

I'm taking currently 50 mg in the morning and 50 mg before I sleep. I actually bought progesterone injectable that I can inject with my testosterone and see how that goes. Also got an anxiety med but I will take alongside finasteride every other day to up regulate gaba transmission and manage side effects. Not benzos by the way I will never touch benzos unless I'm tripping really bad on mushrooms I need to stop the trip

Man too much medicine you will poison yourself over time

 

[Matthias8272]

Meanwhile im getting some Adderall for similar problem, take fin+prozac 0 libido although my lifestyle is horrid, no drugs or alcohol though

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Man too much medicine you will poison yourself over time

Using finasteride despite having sides will ruin a person's life. Obv u don't need any anxiety meds but the fact that taking it will reduce allopregnanolone is a good reason to try taking small amounts of progesterone to offset it. Infact since I've been using prog my mood has been insanely good. But there's no reason that you can't try stackibg finasteride with a med that will upregulate GABA-A receptors as well. And perhaps even meds to aid in the rare case that someone gets depression and libido issues like Bupropion and Cialis.

Basically, I think finasteride is a drug that needs to be stacked with other things for most people

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Meanwhile im getting some Adderall for similar problem, take fin+prozac 0 libido although my lifestyle is horrid, no drugs or alcohol though

Yeah my recommendation is trying to add in Wellbutrin, Buspirone, Saffron, and Cialis and reducing your SSRI and fin dosage. And taking small amounts of progesterone followed by blood work to see where you're at

 

[kej3094]

Using finasteride despite having sides will ruin a person's life. Obv u don't need any anxiety meds but the fact that taking it will reduce allopregnanolone is a good reason to try taking small amounts of progesterone to offset it. Infact since I've been using prog my mood has been insanely good. But there's no reason that you can't try stackibg finasteride with a med that will upregulate GABA-A receptors as well. And perhaps even meds to aid in the rare case that someone gets depression and libido issues like Bupropion and Cialis.

Basically, I think finasteride is a drug that needs to be stacked with other things for most people

where can I buy progesterone?

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Using finasteride despite having sides will ruin a person's life. Obv u don't need any anxiety meds but the fact that taking it will reduce allopregnanolone is a good reason to try taking small amounts of progesterone to offset it. Infact since I've been using prog my mood has been insanely good. But there's no reason that you can't try stackibg finasteride with a med that will upregulate GABA-A receptors as well. And perhaps even meds to aid in the rare case that someone gets depression and libido issues like Bupropion and Cialis.

where can I buy progesterone?

Alldaychemist has injectable progesterone which I've been using with my trt injections lately.

You can also get progesterone cream OTC on Amazon which theoretically should work

Or if you look around on IndiaMart there's sellers selling oral micronized progesterone that's not in female doses (dose for a male should be 10-20mg daily approximately)

 

[kej3094]

Alldaychemist has injectable progesterone which I've been using with my trt injections lately.

You can also get progesterone cream OTC on Amazon which theoretically should work

Or if you look around on IndiaMart there's sellers selling oral micronized progesterone that's not in female doses (dose for a male should be 10-20mg daily approximately)

Is it a bad idea to use progesterone if you aren’t on trt?

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Is it a bad idea to use progesterone if you aren’t on trt?

If on fin then you probably should use a little bit. If on neither fin/trt I don't see the point unless your hypogonadal

 

[crosshold]

Alldaychemist has injectable progesterone which I've been using with my trt injections lately.

You can also get progesterone cream OTC on Amazon which theoretically should work

Or if you look around on IndiaMart there's sellers selling oral micronized progesterone that's not in female doses (dose for a male should be 10-20mg daily approximately)

wait you said you take 50mg 2x a day and now youre saying 10-20mg is better?

 

[CupOfCoffee]

wait you said you take 50mg 2x a day and now youre saying 10-20mg is better?

That was 50mg of Pregnenolone. I reduced it to 50mg once a day and injecting progesterone 20mg every other day.

Theoretically, the Pregnenolone should eventually convert to progesterone but it's hard to know how much conversion occurs and how much of it gets converted to estrogen dhea etc. I'm only using it to replace natural Pregnenolone since I'm on TRT. Then I'm just backfilling the progesterone with the real stuff to offset the effects fin can cause downstream of 5ar.

 

[crosshold]

That was 50mg of Pregnenolone. I reduced it to 50mg once a day and injecting progesterone 20mg every other day.

Theoretically, the Pregnenolone should eventually convert to progesterone but it's hard to know how much conversion occurs and how much of it gets converted to estrogen dhea etc. I'm only using it to replace natural Pregnenolone since I'm on TRT. Then I'm just backfilling the progesterone with the real stuff to offset the effects fin can cause downstream of 5ar.

so what do you recommend as an oral solution? pregnenolone or progesterone?

 

[Ritalincel]

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[Ritalincel]

Try donapezel bro it's legit

But I don't have Alzheimer's

 

[Ritalincel]

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[Ritalincel]

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[CupOfCoffee]

But I don't have Alzheimer's

Can have nootropic effects

 

[Fgsfds]

Why not allopregnanolone directly? If you're on fin, your preg isn't even converting to allopreg because of 5AR...

I might try allopreg. My brane feels empty post-dut, maybe worse than it did on dut.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Why not allopregnanolone directly? If you're on fin, your preg isn't even converting to allopreg because of 5AR...

I might try allopreg. My brane feels empty post-dut, maybe worse than it did on dut.

Fin doesn't inhibit 5ar completely. And also doesn't inhibit type 1 5ar so the allopregnanolone shouldn't be completely destroyed although in some people apparently with post-fin syndrome they have zero allopregnanolone.
Yeah if it was readily available to buy allopregnanolone and a sustainable way to dose it it would be legit. No clue where to get it tho

 

[Deleted member 4562]

Yeah this is why MPMD reccomends getting a full panel hormonol, lipid, liver enzyme, and neurosteroid panel before hopping on finasteride so you can get a good understanding of whether or not you have a high change of getting side effects, and if you do get side effects, what is causing it, he talks about the pregnenolone here.

Kind of fucking retarded that a YouTuber who does this shit for a hobby is more capable and competent then people studying fucking PFS but whatever.



BTW leo and MPMD are friends and do podcasts together

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Yeah this is why MPMD reccomends getting a full panel hormonol, lipid, liver enzyme, and neurosteroid panel before hopping on finasteride so you can get a good understanding of whether or not you have a high change of getting side effects, and if you do get side effects, what is causing it, he talks about the pregnenolone here.

Kind of fucking retarded that a YouTuber who does this shit for a hobby is more capable and competent then people studying fucking PFS but whatever.



BTW leo and MPMD are friends and do podcasts together

I know I always watch their vids

 

[Ritalincel]

Can have nootropic effects

Oh bro

 

[Deleted member 14848]

I know I always watch their vids

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[Ritalincel]

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[Ritalincel]

This migth be helpful information

Finasteride and Neurological Damage

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[CursedOne]

Having no hair will give you more neurological damage

 

[CupOfCoffee]

Having no hair will give you more neurological damage

True dat son