FIRST BLAST AT 17 [HIGH IQ ROIDERS GTFIH NEED ADVICE]

[volgaTz]

up dosage of minoxidil

how much?

add a diuretic as well as water retention is common from most of these

eplerenone 50mg/ed? (bookmared ur guide ofc )

also i did hear ru can potentiality affect systemic its not entirely local

is that a new study? should I still use it?

w stack though seems well thought out
go for 6 months cause i doubt youd see results that fast

thanks! U think with 500mg test/w itll take long? I thought of quick gains lol
but yea def will run longer then what I posted in the thread

 

[volgaTz]

No but he just said he went schizo and left, check his profile

oh okay hope he will do better and hopefully come back healthy

Maybe 10lgd, super light on your body snd mind but decent gains

honestly i dont even know what that is, is there a good guide i can read on the 2 compounds u mentioned?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

oh okay hope he will do better and hopefully come back healthy

honestly i dont even know what that is, is there a good guide i can read on the 2 compounds u mentioned?

I dont actually belive so sadly, eq controls e2 by competing for aromatase, makes you veiny, sttonger

Lgd is a sarm, super non androgenic while still being very anabolic, maybe the best androgen in that regard, non toxic shorter hslf life so easier to control

Im sure theres youtube videos tho

 

[volgaTz]

I dont actually belive so sadly, eq controls e2 by competing for aromatase, makes you veiny, sttonger

Lgd is a sarm, super non androgenic while still being very anabolic, maybe the best androgen in that regard, non toxic shorter hslf life so easier to control

Im sure theres youtube videos tho

I would rather gain more dimo and craniofacial changes than strength and muscles since im still young
do those compounds help?

or can I even expect those results with my stack?

Ik tren is good for dimo but like I mentioned I wanted to run test only as first blast, but since I know will run a longer blast then initially thought, i have to rethink..

can I also add other compounds mid blast? for example after 10 weeks of test only I add tren and/or lgd, eq for another 10 weeks

 

[volgaTz]

I would rather gain more dimo and craniofacial changes than strength and muscles since im still young
do those compounds help?

or can I even expect those results with my stack?

Ik tren is good for dimo but like I mentioned I wanted to run test only as first blast, but since I know will run a longer blast then initially thought, i have to rethink..

can I also add other compounds mid blast? for example after 10 weeks of test only I add tren and/or lgd, eq for another 10 weeks

@PharmaPhaggot

 

[cynical]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

6’4 and 70kg? Bro what are u Somali?

 

[Apchun144]

1) Point of ed injections when it's test e? either move to Test P(which is better since it aromatases less) or do 2 injections per week
2) Add oral steroids and NAC, Tbol increases free testosterone while not hurting your hair much
3) mirin

 

[birthdefect]

Don't use dut at 17

Cut down so you aromatase less

Use exe instead of ana

Take hcg 250 e2d/e3d

why aromasin over arimidex, no reason

Br is gone

But wtv just lengthen the blast a bit otherwise good

Could even throw in eq or lgd for shits and giggles especially as you got a lot to fill out

what happened to bro he just told me in pms that he had a severe mental emergency, idk if its ok to elab tbh
btw im sorry for my lack of knowledge on this but what benefits are there for dht derivs? like masteron, primo, etc
and why do people manage their e2 levels by lowering test or increasing non aromatising compounds instead of just taking a microdosed ai and being done with it?

 

[volgaTz]

1) Point of ed injections when it's test e? either move to Test P(which is better since it aromatases less) or do 2 injections per week

if there is no side to pinning test e over p I’ll stick to test e since it’s easier to source and cheaper

2) Add oral steroids and NAC, Tbol increases free testosterone while not hurting your hair much

I thought of doing test only as first blast but since many said 14-16w is too short I’d do like 20w and add another compound mid blast
(Maybe after like 10 weeks?)

Is that valid or retarded?

3) mirin

 

[Apchun144]

if there is no side to pinning test e over p I’ll stick to test e since it’s easier to source and cheaper

in my case theyre same price so I didn't knew, switch to pinning every 3 days anyway

I thought of doing test only as first blast but since many said 14-16w is too short I’d do like 20w and add another compound mid blast
(Maybe after like 10 weeks?)

Is that valid or retarded?

You can add tbol as soon as possible as it wont hurt
also mirin oldboy signature

 

[volgaTz]

in my case theyre same price so I didn't knew, switch to pinning every 3 days anyway

Id do test p ed over test e e3d

You can add tbol as soon as possible as it wont hurt

Is have to do more research on other compounds first

also mirin oldboy signature

dude.. u are the first person that mentioned it
Oldboy is my top 1 on letterboxd
Best movie oat

 

[cemkii]

how much?

eplerenone 50mg/ed? (bookmared ur guide ofc )


is that a new study? should I still use it?

thanks! U think with 500mg test/w itll take long? I thought of quick gains lol
but yea def will run longer then what I posted in the thread

Up mino to 2.5 and yeah eplerenone is fine at 50 but lowk you could combine it with a thiazide as well

Idk about the ru check the study on it still way better than anything purely systemic though
And with 500 test gonna be fast as fuck lmao

 

[lnceIs]

Take 2.5 DUT/ed during the entire cycle and for every single day of your life after.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

why aromasin over arimidex, no reason

Juat due to avoiding rebound and being easier to control, i dint see a need for arimidex at this dose

what happened to bro he just told me in pms that he had a severe mental emergency, idk if its ok to elab tbh
btw im sorry for my lack of knowledge on this but what benefits are there for dht derivs? like masteron, primo, etc
and why do people manage their e2 levels by lowering test or increasing non aromatising compounds instead of just taking a microdosed ai and being done with it?

Spificically mast and primo has some anti estrogenic effects, but imo theyre not a good options, for young people numbers matter to heightmax but since neither will really change serum e2 much you can only go of feeling

But i think why theyre popular is by also making you feel a bit better and removing some glycogen

Theyre also horrible for elastin and collagen. Primo is significantly better than masteron but i dont so a reason for either

I think eq is the only enabolic that makes sense for e2 control, but its quite similar to an ai so it doesnt matter to much

 

[birthdefect]

Juat due to avoiding rebound and being easier to control, i dint see a need for arimidex at this dose

Spificically mast and primo has some anti estrogenic effects, but imo theyre not a good options, for young people numbers matter to heightmax but since neither will really change serum e2 much you can only go of feeling

But i think why theyre popular is by also making you feel a bit better and removing some glycogen

Theyre also horrible for elastin and collagen. Primo is significantly better than masteron but i dont so a reason for either

I think eq is the only enabolic that makes sense for e2 control, but its quite similar to an ai so it doesnt matter to much

for the youngins fulvestrant mogs everything tbh
is that really the only reason why they're popular? how good is dhb?

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

for the youngins fulvestrant mogs everything tbh
is that really the only reason why they're popular? how good is dhb?

Yeah i think fulveterant looks promising tbh, i have to research it more tho,

I think dhb is potentially good, only issue i have tho is we dont really know we good certainty its liver toxicity

 

[ianparent5362]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

if u want to stay lean while gaining add reta and preferably do 450 test, 200 anavar, 200 EQ don't do tren or deca if you want to look dry and lean muscle make sure to add DHT blockers and modoxidile expesilly if your doing EQ also add 4-5 IUs of HGH

 

[India lover 52]

if u want to stay lean while gaining add reta and preferably do 450 test, 200 anavar, 200 EQ don't do tren or deca if you want to look dry and lean muscle make sure to add DHT blockers and modoxidile expesilly if your doing EQ also add 4-5 IUs of HGH

tren is literally the best dry/cutting compound and its a dht derivative? also this dude is probably still in puberty running a dht blocker is a fucking horrible idea

 

[volgaTz]

Up mino to 2.5 and yeah eplerenone is fine at 50 but lowk you could combine it with a thiazide as well

why would up the mino
Is there a good thread about thiazide?

Idk about the ru check the study on it still way better than anything purely systemic though
And with 500 test gonna be fast as fuck lmao

yea will start with ru and dut just on hand

 

[volgaTz]

Take 2.5 DUT/ed during the entire cycle and for every single day of your life after.

idk if ur trolling or nah but I just have dut on hand for emergencies

 

[lnceIs]

idk if ur trolling or nah but I just have dut on hand for emergencies

Why would I be trolling?

 

[volgaTz]

Yeah i think fulveterant looks promising tbh, i have to research it more tho,

I think dhb is potentially good, only issue i have tho is we dont really know we good certainty its liver toxicity

Sho should I stick to anastrozole or nah?

 

[volgaTz]

Why would I be trolling?

Since im 17 I will stick to ru at first and have dut on hand
And also like I mentioned dimo is one of my goals, so also deeper voice, etc

 

[volgaTz]

if u want to stay lean while gaining add reta and preferably do 450 test, 200 anavar, 200 EQ don't do tren or deca if you want to look dry and lean muscle make sure to add DHT blockers and modoxidile expesilly if your doing EQ also add 4-5 IUs of HGH

just dnr half of my thread jfl

 

[lnceIs]

Since im 17 I will stick to ru at first and have dut on hand
And also like I mentioned dimo is one of my goals, so also deeper voice, etc

Test gives you a deeper voice, not DHT.

DHT only destroys hair, skin and health at your age.

 

[volgaTz]

also this dude is probably still in puberty running a dht blocker is a fucking horrible idea

I’m 17 and will stick to ru at first

 

[India lover 52]

Test gives you a deeper voice, not DHT.

DHT only destroys hair, skin and health at your age.

its also the main hormone responsible in penis growth

 

[lnceIs]

its also the main hormone responsible in penis growth

Test gives you a deeper voice, not DHT.

DHT only destroys hair, skin and health at your age.

 

[India lover 52]

@incels penis growth slows down at 18 and can still slightly continue up until your early 20s, he still has a good year left of dick growth no point in stunting it

 

[volgaTz]

@incels penis growth slows down at 18 and can still slightly continue up until your early 20s, he still has a good year left of dick growth no point in stunting it

Don’t think my dick will grow tbh

Even if, my hair would be still more important then +1cm in my opinion

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Sho should I stick to anastrozole or nah?

Yh i cant rec fulv as i havent researched enough

 

[volgaTz]

Yh i cant rec fulv as i havent researched enough

okay cuz u said to avoid rebound and anas is known for it thats why

Juat due to avoiding rebound and being easier to control, i dint see a need for arimidex at this dose

But that’s also the reason why I prefer it instead of a suicide ai like Aromasin

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

okay cuz u said to avoid rebound and anas is known for it thats why

You instead use aromasin

 

[cemkii]

why would up the mino
Is there a good thread about thiazide?


yea will start with ru and dut just on hand

to be fair no i was thinking of writing a thread on thiazides although ive only experimented with thiazide-like diuretics the half lives are a problem in real ones and up minoxidil because lowk 1.25mg doesnt do shit 2.5mg is standard usually 1.25 is the test dose

for diuretics look for ace inhibitors + chlorthalidone there are studies on these as vassopressin and aldosterone will rise from your stack look for a counter not entirely sure how bad bloat is for you so maybe assess minoxidil does give a mildbloat though hence why its usually given alongside diuretics

 

[volgaTz]

You instead use aromasin

look I thought it switching from test e to p since I’m already planning on doing daily pins
+ I’m taking ralaxofine to reverse my gyno & so it won’t get worse on blast
It’s still test only and I’m already doing everything I can do minimize e2 sides

That’s why I think having a lighter ai on hand is enough

Also frequent blood work

 

[volgaTz]

to be fair no i was thinking of writing a thread on thiazides although ive only experimented with thiazide-like diuretics the half lives are a problem in real ones and up minoxidil because lowk 1.25mg doesnt do shit 2.5mg is standard usually 1.25 is the test dose

Yea please do bhai

for diuretics look for ace inhibitors + chlorthalidone there are studies on these as vassopressin and aldosterone will rise from your stack look for a counter not entirely sure how bad bloat is for you so maybe assess minoxidil does give a mildbloat though hence why its usually given alongside diuretics

I literally have 0 knowledge on diuretics so I have to research first so I can even understand what u are saying

Ik u got the guides, bookmarked, but I don’t remember from top of my head what u talked about there jfl

 

[greylol]

14 - 18 week cycle?

Use Test Cyp so u get the best bang for ur buck.

Long lasting ester will let u hold onto gains for longer anyways. Might as well take the longer ester and get the most gains possible if ur gonna run the cycle for that long.

For sourcing just use a reputable UGL from steroid forums in your country. All will have reviews from years ago till now that people have been using.

Good choice hopping on now.

Goodluck with the cycle

 

[midfacedeficient]

• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly

probably useless. could just wait it out like 2 months afterwards

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed

ive never met one person that actually had any significant benefit from ralox, a couple with major hair shedding. id have adex and letro on hand instead.

• ru58841: 50mg/ed

this causes heart palpitations in a surprising amount of people. id add it in asap way away from everything else and see how you fair. then if you get heart issues you'll know what to blame. thats why this one never got approved.
This and minox could give u palpitations or crank up ur resting heart rate

Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?

500 test alone is next to nothing. i know amateurs that CRUISE on 3500 total most people running 500 dont even look like they lift. if u plan on b&c forever, and 500mg ends up fucking u, at least you'll know now to go ahead and quit.

• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?

yeah

• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..

surplus

• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Have telmisartan on hand. maybe nebivolol too

 

[cemkii]

Yea please do bhai

I literally have 0 knowledge on diuretics so I have to research first so I can even understand what u are saying

Ik u got the guides, bookmarked, but I don’t remember from top of my head what u talked about there jfl

if you got any questions ask my current diuretic stack is eplerenone 25mg chlorthalidone 25mg and occasional 40mg furosemide if i go clubbing but just pm me if anything

 

[volgaTz]

14 - 18 week cycle?

now Im planning to blast for longer (up to 20w)

Use Test Cyp so u get the best bang for ur buck.

Long lasting ester will let u hold onto gains for longer anyways. Might as well take the longer ester and get the most gains possible if ur gonna run the cycle for that long.

I think ill switch to test p cuz I am already planning on pinning daily so why not get less bloat too

For sourcing just use a reputable UGL from steroid forums in your country. All will have reviews from years ago till now that people have been using.

Yea I red often that u should get testosterone from a ugl in ur country
for me it would be blitzschnell.co (germany)

but I also will order peps but from wwb so I think of getting the test from wwb too but the problem is they dont have any lab tests for testosterone
I saw a customer lab test with 87% purity wich is not very good to look at

What do u think abouts wwb's test?

Good choice hopping on now.

Goodluck with the cycle

thanks bhai

 

[volgaTz]

probably useless. could just wait it out like 2 months afterwards

I honestely just did the cruise plan with gpt cuz i just wanted to include everything in the thread, but i got some time to think about the cruise jfl

ive never met one person that actually had any significant benefit from ralox, a couple with major hair shedding. id have adex and letro on hand instead.

its for my gyno wich I already have since I am like 12 and also to prevent new gyno on blast

this causes heart palpitations in a surprising amount of people. id add it in asap way away from everything else and see how you fair. then if you get heart issues you'll know what to blame. thats why this one never got approved.
This and minox could give u palpitations or crank up ur resting heart rate

so what would u recommend? Im 17 and dont wanna start with dut right away, only wait for emergancy

500 test alone is next to nothing. i know amateurs that CRUISE on 3500 total most people running 500 dont even look like they lift. if u plan on b&c forever, and 500mg ends up fucking u, at least you'll know now to go ahead and quit.

yeah

maybe will do up to 20w but will look at bloods and what Ive achieved during the blast
Also wanna add other compounds but still want to run test only for first blast to not waste time on craniofacial changes and dimo (with tren, etc)

surplus

how much cal so i dont gain any or low fat? wanna be even lower bf% for summer lol

Have telmisartan on hand. maybe nebivolol too

I do, also wrote that in the thread

 

[copemaxingll]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

Bloods are a waste of money, im on 600mg of test and havent done bloodwork once

 

[volgaTz]

Bloods are a waste of money, im on 600mg of test and havent done bloodwork once

mirin

 

[jpsl182]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

100-200 cal surplus, thats what im doing roiding at 17, the gains will more than enough cover the surplus trust me just dont go crazy

 

[volgaTz]

if you got any questions ask

thanks brah

my current diuretic stack is eplerenone 25mg chlorthalidone 25mg and occasional 40mg furosemide

will look into that

if i go clubbing but just pm me if anything

fuckass nt

 

[volgaTz]

100-200 cal surplus, thats what im doing roiding at 17, the gains will more than enough cover the surplus trust me just dont go crazy

sounds good

what are u running?

 

[jpsl182]

sounds good

good luck man, cycle seems legit

 

[volgaTz]

good luck man, cycle seems legit

thanks bhai

 

[volgaTz]

look I thought it switching from test e to p since I’m already planning on doing daily pins
+ I’m taking ralaxofine to reverse my gyno & so it won’t get worse on blast
It’s still test only and I’m already doing everything I can do minimize e2 sides

That’s why I think having a lighter ai on hand is enough

Also frequent blood work

@PharmaPhaggot

 

[midfacedeficient]

its for my gyno wich I already have since I am like 12 and also to prevent new gyno on blast

ik what its for it just never does anything. id try letro at like 2mg for a week or something. see if theres any shrinkage. if there is then you may be able to get rid of it. if not then surgery

so what would u recommend? Im 17 and dont wanna start with dut right away, only wait for emergancy

probably just minox. if ur balding already

how much cal so i dont gain any or low fat? wanna be even lower bf% for summer lol

cant imagine us get fat on a 500 cal surplus at ur age but everyones different i guess

I do, also wrote that in the thread

nice