FIRST BLAST AT 17 [HIGH IQ ROIDERS GTFIH NEED ADVICE]

[PharmaPhaggot]

@PharmaPhaggot

Yeah, sounds good

 

[volgaTz]

ik what its for it just never does anything. id try letro at like 2mg for a week or something. see if theres any shrinkage. if there is then you may be able to get rid of it. if not then surgery

for ai I wanna use anastrozole why should I add another one?
and why does relaxofine not work?

probably just minox. if ur balding already

i have insanly good hair genetics

cant imagine us get fat on a 500 cal surplus at ur age but everyones different i guess

dont mean getting fat, I mean not building any fat lol
but yea will do a small cal surplus

today is the first day i started tracking my cals again so ik what my maintain cal intake is so i can plan everything out for the blast

 

[midfacedeficient]

for ai I wanna use anastrozole why should I add another one?

thats good. im just saying if ur using ralox its usually to try to shrink pre existing gyno, and never actually works. whereas letro would actually work. and if letro doesnt then nothing will

and why does relaxofine not work?

it just never does. never actually seen it do shit for anyone

i have insanly good hair genetics

then dont fuck up ur heart for no reason

 

[volgaTz]

thats good. im just saying if ur using ralox its usually to try to shrink pre existing gyno, and never actually works. whereas letro would actually work. and if letro doesnt then nothing will

Are there any sides to ralox at 30mg?

it just never does. never actually seen it do shit for anyone

Saw some users talk about that it helped but if u stop taking it the gyno will come back

then dont fuck up ur heart for no reason

are there any specific ancillaries for that?
Ig just will be having both of them on had and only risk it if I’ll see hair falling out

 

[midfacedeficient]

Are there any sides to ralox at 30mg?

mainly hair from what i remember. never really hear about anyone running it nowadays so i cant remember

are there any specific ancillaries for that?
Ig just will be having both of them on had and only risk it if I’ll see hair falling out

telmisartan and nebivolol would help if it jacks up ur blood pressure or heart rate but I think it could mess with the rhythm and then im not sure. better and easier to just drop it if that happens

 

[volgaTz]

mainly hair from what i remember. never really hear about anyone running it nowadays so i cant remember

telmisartan and nebivolol would help if it jacks up ur blood pressure or heart rate but I think it could mess with the rhythm and then im not sure. better and easier to just drop it if that happens

Ill have telmisartan on hand

thanks for the help bhai

 

[fataholic]

All I read was 490 test sounds good

 

[zoomerstein]

About me:

• 17 years old (turning 18 in 4 months)
• 6'4 / 193cm
• 160lb / 73kg
• around 13bf%

Goal:

• improve facial dimorphism, since im extremly low dimo
• craniofacial bone remodeling/bone density as long its still possible at my age
• body recomp, gain muscle mass but still stay lean this summer

Blast Plan
Main Compound:

→ 14-18 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg/ed (490mg/w)

Spoiler: thoughts

• for my first blast I wanna run test only
• starting with 500mg right away cuz I dont wanna waste time and since test e has 4-5 day half life the levels rise slowly anyway so natural ramp up is built in and for sides lll play very safe with everything on hand what I need + frequent bloods
• ed pin for most stable blood levels and minimizing sides
• I def will add other compounds like hgh and maybe tren in my second blast (winter bulk for da crazyyy gains)
• I would start with hgh right away but im too broke rn and since I am starting with such a high dose of test I think its better to monitor bloods etc with only one main compound

Ancillaries:
Starting from day 1:

• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Citrus Bergamt: 1000mg/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• TUDCA: 500mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed

On hand, but only if needed:
(depending on blood work/bp/sides)

• Anastrozol: 0,5/eod
• Telmisartan: 40mg/ed
• Ezetimibe: 10mg/ed
• Dutasteride: 0,5mg/eod

Explanation:

Spoiler: explanation

Raloxifene:
I have gyno since Im like 12 so will start with 30mg to hopefully reverse it,
but will up to 60mg/ed if it gets worse on blast

Omega 3:
I eat salmon quite often, prolly will try to eat 300g eod
and limit the omega 3 supps but without the salmon it would be 3-4g thats why I wrote the standard dose above

Isotretinoin:
I have mild acne just want completely clear skin,
but will looks at acne sides and up the dose to 20-40mg/ed

ru58841, minoxidil, dut:
I have extremly good hair genetics from my dad,
thats why i wont take dut from day 1 but since ru58841 has like no sides ill take that first
minox for thicker eyebrows and eyelash growth
(im happy with my lashes and brows but it can still improve tho so why not)

Thinking about adding:
Vitamin C: 1-2g/ed as an Antioxidant
garlic extract: 1000mg/ed for TMAO protection and mild cardiovascular support

Blood work:
first baseline bloods before blast:

Spoiler: blood tests list

CBC
Estradiol (E2)
Total Testosterone
ALT
AST
GGT
HDL Cholesterol
LDL Cholesterol
Creatinine
LH
FSH
Prolactin
SHBG
Triglycerides
CRP
Total Bilirubin
TSH
Free T3 (fT3)
Free T4 (fT4)
HbA1c
PSA
Glucose
Urea

optional:
IGF-1
DHEA-S
Albumin
Homocysteine

Cruise Plan:
→ 8-12 weeks

Spoiler: stack (compounds + ancillaries)

• test e: 150-200mg weekly
• hcg: 2x 500mg weekly
  → so I can bust loads into my gf again
• Raloxifene: 30mg/ed
• Omega 3: 3-4g/ed
• Isotretinoin: 10mg/ed
• ru58841: 50mg/ed
• Oral minoxidil: 1,25mg/ed
• everything else still on hand

Problems / Need Advice:

• Does it makes sense to start with such a high dose if I wanna blast n cruise for life anyway?
• I just want to get as much craniofacial effects as possible wich why I wanna start asap
• Is 14-18 weeks a good first blast length?
• Should I maintain my 13bf% or eat in a small cal surplus? Like I said still wanna be lean but make good gains..
• Any other suggestions regarding my blood work or ancillaries?

Spoiler: sourcing

Still have to decide if I buy my test from wwb or a germon ugl (blitzschnell)
The problem is I heard good stuff about wwb's test but never saw a good lab test jfl, even saw a customer test with only 87% purity..
blitzschnell is garantueed to have good quality but Id pay 3x the price. For peps Ill def consider wwb but it would be better to buy all my stuff from one place since I am on a budget lol
For ancillaries Ill still have to find a seller on indiamart..

Disclaimer: If I wrote some low iq retard shit please have mercy im just a grey who wants to slay

500 test is high given your size. 500 will be fine, nothing bad will happen, but you can run 300-350 (since you're pinning ED) and get the same experience without having to run an AI which rapes your hair, brain, and bloods. My goal with cycles is always to run test as high as i can without needing an AI, then just stack other compounds instead of increasing test.

Run the cycle for 20-24 weeks, people who are new to roids are similar to your size run 350mg for over 8 months at times with great bloods. Use bloods/feeling to determine when to stop, not an arbitrary number of weeks

If you're scared of dut at 17 at least take fin, it'll guarantee your hair is safe while still not ruining your DHT-related gains (fin lowers DHT by ~65%, so if your test is 5-10x what it was before when you blast, your DHT is still high enough). I personally started fin at 18 and switched to dut at 22, hair went from NW1.5 pre-fin to barely NW1 and much thicker now, despite blasting all kinds of roids including tren since then and not doing anything else for hair. Fin in your teens to dut in early 20s is the move imo.

And instead of omega 3 just buy bulk sardines, i bought a 100 tins of Wild Planet brand for less than 2 bucks each, its legit cheaper than omega 3 supps and it's actual food plus its full of collagen and micros, holy looksmax food

 

[Aromasin]

Add in the Dut from day 1 not just for the hair but also for the skin, otherwise you’d probably ramp up your Isotretinoin dosage thinking you could fix it that way.

Switch to test P if you want it to be „as fast as possible“

Adjust the Isotretinoin dosage dependely up to 40mg imo.

Make sure you eat well.

Why is the „cruise“ duration so short?

 

[volgaTz]

500 test is high given your size. 500 will be fine, nothing bad will happen, but you can run 300-350 (since you're pinning ED) and get the same experience without having to run an AI which rapes your hair, brain, and bloods. My goal with cycles is always to run test as high as i can without needing an AI, then just stack other compounds instead of increasing test.

Will 300 help as much as 500 with dimo? I will add other compounds later in the blast or with the second one
For ai ill have anaz on hand and not Aromasin or smth else since its a lighter ai

Run the cycle for 20-24 weeks, people who are new to roids are similar to your size run 350mg for over 8 months at times with great bloods. Use bloods/feeling to determine when to stop, not an arbitrary number of weeks

Thought of upping the weeks up to 20 but like u said will look at bloods and my feeling and decide when to stop

If you're scared of dut at 17 at least take fin, it'll guarantee your hair is safe while still not ruining your DHT-related gains (fin lowers DHT by ~65%, so if your test is 5-10x what it was before when you blast, your DHT is still high enough). I personally started fin at 18 and switched to dut at 22, hair went from NW1.5 pre-fin to barely NW1 and much thicker now, despite blasting all kinds of roids including tren since then and not doing anything else for hair. Fin in your teens to dut in early 20s is the move imo.

Sounds good

And instead of omega 3 just buy bulk sardines, i bought a 100 tins of Wild Planet brand for less than 2 bucks each, its legit cheaper than omega 3 supps and it's actual food plus its full of collagen and micros, holy looksmax food

lmao noway, definitely will look into that

 

[volgaTz]

Add in the Dut from day 1 not just for the hair but also for the skin, otherwise you’d probably ramp up your Isotretinoin dosage thinking you could fix it that way.

Like the user above u said I’ll prolly take fin over dut at first

Switch to test P if you want it to be „as fast as possible“

I will, heard that a lot
Also for bloat sides

Adjust the Isotretinoin dosage dependely up to 40mg imo.

Yes, but I’ll start with 10 first

Make sure you eat well.

Will go in a small cal surplus and i already eat much nutrient dense food (animal based)

Why is the „cruise“ duration so short?

Just wrote some gpt bs for cruise, still got time to think about the cruise

 

[zoomerstein]

Will 300 help as much as 500 with dimo? I will add other compounds later in the blast or with the second one
For ai ill have anaz on hand and not Aromasin or smth else since its a lighter ai

Thought of upping the weeks up to 20 but like u said will look at bloods and my feeling and decide when to stop

Sounds good

lmao noway, definitely will look into that

test won't help with dimo that much in general, regardless of dose. sucks to hear but its true.

no roids really "masculinized" me but on primo i would grow way more body hair and on tren i have a way deeper voice and i've had girls lustfully tell me I "move like a man" lmao. I think its just the confidence/room presence, low dose tren is genuinely the greatest mental PED I've ever experienced, I think and act with the same confidence I had at my looks peak when I had two HTBs fighting over me despite them knowing I was fucking both of them at the same time.

 

[volgaTz]

test won't help with dimo that much in general, regardless of dose. sucks to hear but its true.

what about muscle hyportophy in the face or even mandible/brow ridge growth
how did eg zyzzreincarnated do it?

no roids really "masculinized" me but on primo i would grow way more body hair and on tren i have a way deeper voice and i've had girls lustfully tell me I "move like a man" lmao. I think its just the confidence/room presence, low dose tren is genuinely the greatest mental PED I've ever experienced, I think and act with the same confidence I had at my looks peak when

what should I add to my stack then? for later or on the 2. blast

I had two HTBs fighting over me despite them knowing I was fucking both of them at the same time.

 

[zoomerstein]

what about muscle hyportophy in the face or even mandible/brow ridge growth
how did eg zyzzreincarnated do it?

I didn't really experience any but I would ask him
my face still looks a lot better post-roids. probably because i can get leaner easier and at a heavier bodyweight, i weigh in the 190s rn and probably low teens bf% at 6'1", 190lbs used to be morbidly obese and boneless

what should I add to my stack then? for later or on the 2. blast

i liked var, mild mental euphoria/anti depressant effect and you look super dry and lean and vascular, definitely a female gaze roid. was running it during my HTB triangle and had lower ab veins and spider web arms despite not even being sub 10%, face looked less watery too.

otherwise tren is my favorite roid just for the mental alone, its like nigger in a vial i want to pick fights and fuck and lift weights and feel stupid in a good way (low inhib, fearless)

 

[truewhiteboy]

honestly solid stack, id argue you up minoxidil to 2.5mg since its the recommended dose. Defo stack with HGH. Would 1000% add nebivolol to keep HR good, stacks well with tel. Also start with DUT now, DHT is so fucking overated. DHT copers will glaze that shit with a northwood 3 talking sum about dimo.

 

[volgaTz]

up minoxidil to 2.5mg

I will

Defo stack with HGH.

will add gh later on also other compounds

Would 1000% add nebivolol to keep HR good, stacks well with tel.

will look into it also already wrote in the thread that Ill have tel on hand

Also start with DUT now, DHT is so fucking overated. DHT copers will glaze that shit with a northwood 3 talking sum about dimo.

I have very good hair genetics and will prolly stick to oral minox and ru first but will def have dut on hand

 

[spitefulkitten]

1. Telmisartan should be taken every day as it helps reduce cardiac remodeling. Only drop it if it makes you hypotensive which is unlikely at that dose in combination with the test. You do not need any other blood pressure interventions at these doses. In fact you should be able to manage your blood pressure just fine through diet and daily cardio (which you're planning on doing, right?).

2. Don't dose your AI based off bloodwork. Having estrogen out of range is not a problem and is expected. Only lower estrogen if you're experiencing side effects. Estrogen is extremely beneficial to cardiovascular and neurological health as well as synthesizing IGF-1. Since you'll be on a SERM it will mask some of the side effects which is a good thing. Don't treat the number, treat noticeable side effects.

3. The reason to stick with 500mg over 300mg is that 300mg is not much and you're not learning what you should learn out of the first cycle; managing side effects. This is the same reason you don't run multiple compounds at once.

 

[volgaTz]

1. Telmisartan should be taken every day as it helps reduce cardiac remodeling. Only drop it if it makes you hypotensive which is unlikely at that dose in combination with the test.

u think I should start with tel right away? not only having it on hand?

You do not need any other blood pressure interventions at these doses. In fact you should be able to manage your blood pressure just fine through diet and

wich ancillaries should I drop then?

daily cardio (which you're planning on doing, right?).

nah
is daily cardio a must? I hate cardio

2. Don't dose your AI based off bloodwork. Having estrogen out of range is not a problem and is expected. Only lower estrogen if you're experiencing side effects. Estrogen is extremely beneficial to cardiovascular and neurological health as well as synthesizing IGF-1. Since you'll be on a SERM it will mask some of the side effects which is a good thing. Don't treat the number, treat noticeable side effects.

yes I mean Ill look for sides but also what the reason for the sides is (if bw shows high e2 with already having sides ill start with ai)

3. The reason to stick with 500mg over 300mg is that 300mg is not much and you're not learning what you should learn out of the first cycle; managing side effects. This is the same reason you don't run multiple compounds at once.

I heard that the difference between side effects from 300 and 500 a week is very little, is that true?

 

[spitefulkitten]

u think I should start with tel right away? not only having it on hand?

wich ancillaries should I drop then?

nah
is daily cardio a must? I hate cardio

yes I mean Ill look for sides but also what the reason for the sides is (if bw shows high e2 with already having sides ill start with ai)

I heard that the difference between side effects from 300 and 500 a week is very little, is that true?

If you're trying to optimize for health I would start with the telmisartan after the first week or 2. Same thing with the cardio.

Nothing is a "must". People run steroids while neglecting their health all the time. You are as well by starting before your body has fully matured. However you'll probably be all right.

You don't need to drop any of your ancillaries.

Not much difference between 300 and 500 asides from aromatization. Trying to control potential aromatization at 300mg is harder if you need to microdose AIs to get back to tolerable. Most people tend to crush their estrogen too much. You want to avoid hormone fluctuations where possible.

I'd be cautious about getting your PED advice in a place like this. There are much better places that focus on longevity and safe use models over taking tren for lower inhibition or to grow your brow ridge or whatever other retarded shit I've skimmed over in this thread.

 

[volgaTz]

I'd be cautious about getting your PED advice in a place like this. There are much better places that focus on longevity

u mean bodybuilding over lm forums?

tren for lower inhibition or to grow your brow ridge or whatever other retarded shit I've skimmed over in this thread.

I mean it works no? Why is that retarded?

 

[spitefulkitten]

u mean bodybuilding over lm forums?

I mean it works no? Why is that retarded?

Once you get older and no longer care about most of this shit, you'll realize some hardmaxxes were just retardmaxxes in disguise.

 

[volgaTz]

Once you get older and no longer care about most of this shit, you'll realize some hardmaxxes were just retardmaxxes in disguise.

roids aren't hardmaxxes unc

but in theory it works no? you read that one of my goals is higher dimo and if possible, craniofacial changes

 

[spitefulkitten]

roids aren't hardmaxxes unc

but in theory it works no? you read that one of my goals is higher dimo and if possible, craniofacial changes

It's possible. How plausible it is - I don't know. What I can guarantee you is 20 weeks is likely not enough time to effect any meaningful change to your skeletal structure.

If you're taking steroids, focus on gymcel'ing otherwise you're wasting health for no reason.

 

[volgaTz]

What I can guarantee you is 20 weeks is likely not enough time to effect any meaningful change to your skeletal structure.

Yea thats what I also thought
I'll be running a longer blast with more compounds next winter (second blast)

If you're taking steroids, focus on gymcel'ing otherwise you're wasting health for no reason.

lmao true

 

[spitefulkitten]

I'll be running a longer blast with more compounds next winter (second blast)

There's no reason to add compounds or increase dosages. You'll still have plenty of gains to make with 500mg a second time and even a third time. You're practically a skeleton.

Track your calories. If you do not eat enough you will not grow. I really like MacroFactor. You can take as much steroids as you want and it won't matter. I only say this because you weigh so little for your height that I'm not sure you know how to eat. I've been on steroid/bodybuilding forums for over a decade. Don't be the guy that makes almost no gains because he didn't eat. The rapid weight you'll put on at the start is all glycogen and will go away. For reference, I end my bulks when I start to dread every meal and can't even bring myself to eat anymore.

Make no mistake, even if it weren't for your age, you're nowhere near ready to take steroids so lock tf in and make the most of it.

 

[volgaTz]

There's no reason to add compounds or increase dosages. You'll still have plenty of gains to make with 500mg a second time and even a third time. You're practically a skeleton.

Other compounds like gh, tren, halo will help more with dimo (in combination) than a test only blast
ofc if my only goal was muscles, I prolly wouldnt even be roiding at 17, but since i have other goals i cant waste time

Track your calories. If you do not eat enough you will not grow. I really like MacroFactor. You can take as much steroids as you want and it won't matter. I only say this because you weigh so little for your height that I'm not sure you know how to eat. I've been on steroid/bodybuilding forums for over a decade. Don't be the guy that makes almost no gains because he didn't eat. The rapid weight you'll put on at the start is all glycogen and will go away. For reference, I end my bulks when I start to dread every meal and can't even bring myself to eat anymore.

I am planning to go on a small cal surplus (maybe like 300cals) cuz I still want to be lean this summer
Or what do u think, how many calories can I go up without gaining much fat and still staying lean?

 

[spitefulkitten]

Other compounds like gh, tren, halo will help more with dimo (in combination) than a test only blast
ofc if my only goal was muscles, I prolly wouldnt even be roiding at 17, but since i have other goals i cant waste time

I am planning to go on a small cal surplus (maybe like 300cals) cuz I still want to be lean this summer
Or what do u think, how many calories can I go up without gaining much fat and still staying lean?

You will not be able to run halo long enough for it to express any of those dimorphic changes you're after. Not worth taking at all. This is true for all orals pretty much. You want to take things that don't stress your body. Orals, especially something like halo is hard on your liver. You couldn't take it long enough even if you tried. You're going to become lethargic, lose your appetite, and feel like shit.

Tren is a really toxic steroid to take and not necessary for anybody not competing. If you want androgenic effects, take safer androgenic drugs like DHT derivatives. All of these have a higher likelihood of being rape on your hair. The safest steroids for hair loss will be testosterone + a 5ar inhibitor, boldenone or nandrolone only cycles. If you want androgenic, you need to risk your hair. RU58841 might help or might not. Everybody reacts differently.

This almost feels irresponsible to say given the amount of people that have no business taking shit on here but without meaningful doses for meaningful amounts of time, you are unlikely to see meaningful changes. Those will of course come with meaningful impacts to your long term health.

If the theoretical translated into practice, do you think guys like Clavicular, who's been on 400mg of test since 14, would have to bone smash? He should look like a neanderthal.

Given you're 6'4" already you're probably done growing. The amount of impact androgens and elevated IGF-1 levels (from GH) can have on your developmental features is exponentially decaying right now. Time is not on your side for this pursuit and I'd personally advise against it.

Keep in mind, steroids generally age you like shit. Andrey Smaev, who's been on a high load of androgens and growth for a very long time is 26 and looks 40. Mikey (Tren Twins) looks worse than his brother who stays away from some of the more androgenic compounds.

For your calories, go for 500 surplus for the first cycle because you're underweight and will synthesize more muscle. You'll also very likely under eat as your metabolism creeps higher and higher. I ended my first cycle at 5K cals and wasn't putting on more weight for a few weeks at that point. If you're worrying about fat gain, you're not going to make the most of your cycle. I thought I was going to get a lot fatter because I developed a ravenous hunger at the start but I didn't.

After your first cycle, 300 cal surplus can work but you need some more experience to make sure you're actually staying in the proper surplus. Otherwise you'll be wasting the steroids which makes it a worse health tradeoff.

In either case you need to start religiously tracking your calories/weight now so you can find your true maintenance cals before starting. Then revaluate every week on cycle. Keep in mind the first few weeks the scale will jump drastically. It's just glycogen (water weight) entering your muscles. People confuse this all the time with not "keeping" their gains when they come off. Those were never real gains to begin with.

 

[gonialangle1]

gl

 

[truewhiteboy]

I will

will add gh later on also other compounds

will look into it also already wrote in the thread that Ill have tel on hand

I have very good hair genetics and will prolly stick to oral minox and ru first but will def have dut on hand

js be careful, once u lose ur hair its alr too late. Transplants are shit to annoying to do.

 

[volgaTz]

You will not be able to run halo long enough for it to express any of those dimorphic changes you're after. Not worth taking at all. This is true for all orals pretty much. You want to take things that don't stress your body. Orals, especially something like halo is hard on your liver. You couldn't take it long enough even if you tried. You're going to become lethargic, lose your appetite, and feel like shit.

okay thanks, I will definitely do a lot of research before considering taking any of these

Tren is a really toxic steroid to take and not necessary for anybody not competing.

heard many talk about 'microdosing', cope or nah?

If you want androgenic effects, take safer androgenic drugs like DHT derivatives. All of these have a higher likelihood of being rape on your hair. The safest steroids for hair loss will be testosterone + a 5ar inhibitor, boldenone or nandrolone only cycles. If you want androgenic, you need to risk your hair. RU58841 might help or might not. Everybody reacts differently.

U saw my ancillary stack, right? I'll take oral minox and ru right the first day I start my blast and will have dut on hand, when I see even one little hair falling out, ill immediately start taking it

This almost feels irresponsible to say given the amount of people that have no business taking shit on here but without meaningful doses for meaningful amounts of time, you are unlikely to see meaningful changes. Those will of course come with meaningful impacts to your long term health.

If the theoretical translated into practice, do you think guys like Clavicular, who's been on 400mg of test since 14, would have to bone smash? He should look like a neanderthal.

Clav is a jester lol Idk what he took or not, I think you already mentioned that only from test u wont have much craniofacial changes

Given you're 6'4" already you're probably done growing. The amount of impact androgens and elevated IGF-1 levels (from GH) can have on your developmental features is exponentially decaying right now. Time is not on your side for this pursuit and I'd personally advise against it.

Only my height is an indicator of 'late stage puberty', but I literally look like a girl, I have no facial hair and 0 angularity
if u understand what I am trying to say

Keep in mind, steroids generally age you like shit. Andrey Smaev, who's been on a high load of androgens and growth for a very long time is 26 and looks 40. Mikey (Tren Twins) looks worse than his brother who stays away from some of the more androgenic compounds.

You can't compare those bodybuilders with 'looksmaxxers', I have the feeling that bb dont give a shit about their looks and health indicators thats why they just blast everything possible just to always get more bigger (thats not my goal tho)

For your calories, go for 500 surplus for the first cycle because you're underweight and will synthesize more muscle. You'll also very likely under eat as your metabolism creeps higher and higher. I ended my first cycle at 5K cals and wasn't putting on more weight for a few weeks at that point. If you're worrying about fat gain, you're not going to make the most of your cycle. I thought I was going to get a lot fatter because I developed a ravenous hunger at the start but I didn't.

After your first cycle, 300 cal surplus can work but you need some more experience to make sure you're actually staying in the proper surplus. Otherwise you'll be wasting the steroids which makes it a worse health tradeoff.

In either case you need to start religiously tracking your calories/weight now so you can find your true maintenance cals before starting. Then revaluate every week on cycle. Keep in mind the first few weeks the scale will jump drastically. It's just glycogen (water weight) entering your muscles. People confuse this all the time with not "keeping" their gains when they come off. Those were never real gains to begin with.

Yea I definitely will track my calories
I also started again like 2 weeks ago but got sick now, LDARing in bed with a fever the past few days..
When I'm good again, I'll start the tracking again (lost some weight now again, cuz didnt eat those last days)

And with a 500 cal surplus Ill still stay lean? I actually would like to even go lower with my bf% for the beach times yk (maybe like 10-11%)

 

[volgaTz]

gl

thanks bhai

 

[volgaTz]

js be careful, once u lose ur hair its alr too late. Transplants are shit to annoying to do.

I'll take oral minox and ru right the first day I start my blast and will have dut on hand, when I see even one little hair falling out, ill immediately start taking it

also I mentioned it a few times, I have elite hair genetics, so I don't even think Ill be balding fast on a test only blast