First Cycle - 28 weeks - Low dose + Blast - FEEDBACK

[redskies42]

188cm, 180lbs, ~17%bf, 28yo, 750ng/dl

goal = gain 20 pounds lean mass over 28 wks, hopefully keep more than 50% after pct
Yes pct, I understand the "pct is cope" mentality but im not looking to bnc just yet.

Bloodwork Pre (LH, FSH, Prolactin, Test, shbg)
Bloodwork 4 wks post PCT
No sensitive E2 test ($$$)

-------------------

"Small cycle"
- May to August (16 wks)
- Low dose Test P, ED (200-250mg/wk) + Reta for 16 wks
- goal: look good for summer, mild gains and cut down to sub 12% bf for "blast"

(I know this can be done natty but I dont want to nuke my natty levels and feel like shit all summer, HPTA will be shutdown anyway)

"Blast"
- September to November (12wks)
- Test P, ED (500mg/wk) for another 12wks
- goal: put on alot of lean mass while on a moderate surplus, as bloat and aesthetics wont matter as much during this timeframe.

Aromasin - on hand
Nolvadex - on hand
Dutasteride or Finasteride - on hand (should I frontload Dut or use Fin as needed?)

-------------------

I am planning to come off for a while after this cycle, so Hcg througout cycle is a must. Enclo later as well if symptoms of low T.

Anything wrong with this approach?
(Apart from PCT instead of cruise)

Feedback appreciated.

Current physique very mid, I think there is potential though

 

[Mandibular0]

hamza alt account

 

[redskies42]

hamza alt account

who?

 

[3pider]

188cm, 180lbs, ~17%bf, 28yo, 750ng/dl

goal = gain 20 pounds lean mass over 28 wks, hopefully keep more than 50% after pct
Yes pct, I understand the "pct is cope" mentality but im not looking to bnc just yet.

Bloodwork Pre (LH, FSH, Prolactin, Test, shbg)
Bloodwork 4 wks post PCT
No sensitive E2 test ($$$)

-------------------

"Small cycle"
- May to August (16 wks)
- Low dose Test P, ED (200-250mg/wk) + Reta for 16 wks
- goal: look good for summer, mild gains and cut down to sub 12% bf for "blast"

(I know this can be done natty but I dont want to nuke my natty levels and feel like shit all summer, HPTA will be shutdown anyway)

"Blast"
- September to November (12wks)
- Test P, ED (500mg/wk) for another 12wks
- goal: put on alot of lean mass while on a moderate surplus, as bloat and aesthetics wont matter as much during this timeframe.

Aromasin - on hand
Nolvadex - on hand
Dutasteride or Finasteride - on hand (should I frontload Dut or use Fin as needed?)

-------------------

I am planning to come off for a while after this cycle, so Hcg througout cycle is a must. Enclo later as well if symptoms of low T.

Anything wrong with this approach?
(Apart from PCT instead of cruise)

Feedback appreciated.

Current physique very mid, I think there is potential though
View attachment 4671766

not leaving much to the imagination mate

 

[Seeyenar]

so you're doing the cruise before the blast? jfl

 

[Deleted member 126862]

Test P is not worth it. Test C daily injection.

And 500 test as a first cycle is the biggest joke of a century

muscle growth have certain threshold, after reaching it you cant grow faster, and its 2-2.5lb of muscle per month( genetic dependent)

you can literally max out that threshold with 200test and good training and nutrition.

so you're doing the cruise before the blast? jfl

You dont know anything about steroids, shut the fuck up

 

[Deleted member 126862]

you are 140lb soaking wet. There is no point for you to run fucking 500 test

 

[Seeyenar]

you are 140lb soaking wet. There is no point for you to run fucking 500 test

yeah the "beginner should do 500mg" shit always seemed like a meme to me, i'm doing a low dose cycle soon but still in the research phase.

 

[Deleted member 126862]

yeah the "beginner should do 500mg" shit always seemed like a meme to me, i'm doing a low dose cycle soon but still in the research phase.

I did more progress on 20mg of test daily then those morons do from 500 test weekly.

Less is more, especially if you are new to training

 

[Seeyenar]

I did more progress on 20mg of test daily then those morons do from 500 test weekly.

Less is more, especially if you are new to training

you seem like a high IQ user

Im planning on running 150mg/week test E for at least 20 weeks.

I plan on staying lean to maintain facial aesthetics and reduce aromatisation effects.

Is it likely that i will not need an AI at all? and as for PCT do you think it is needed for a cycle like this?

 

[Deleted member 126862]

you seem like a high IQ user

Im planning on running 150mg/week test E for at least 20 weeks.

I plan on staying lean to maintain facial aesthetics and reduce aromatisation effects.

Is it likely that i will not need an AI at all? and as for PCT do you think it is needed for a cycle like this?

Using Ai/Or Steroid aromatase inhibitors ( EQ/Primo) is not optimal at all, estrogen synthesize igf-1 from growth hormone in your liver, you want your estrogen on higher end.


150 mg a week shouldn’t cause any problems for healthy individual. And best “AI” is simply being lean, 8-12% bodyfat.

Just take a long ester, inject daily, and be lean. Your e2 will be in lower end.

 

[Seeyenar]

Using Ai/Or Steroid aromatase inhibitors ( EQ/Primo) is not optimal at all, estrogen synthesize igf-1 from growth hormone in your liver, you want your estrogen on higher end.


150 mg a week shouldn’t cause any problems for healthy individual. And best “AI” is simply being lean, 8-12% bodyfat.

Just take a long ester, inject daily, and be lean. Your e2 will be in lower end.

and as for PCT is it smart to run one? did you run one after 140mg? Should be relatively easy getting off a dose like this without PCT i would assume

 

[Deleted member 126862]

and as for PCT is it smart to run one? did you run one after 140mg? Should be relatively easy getting off a dose like this without PCT i would assume

Either run gear forever, or dont do it at all.

Hopping on and off is worthless, stressfull, damaging and addictive.

There is no point of chemically castrating yourself for extra 10lb of muscle

 

[Seeyenar]

Either run gear forever, or dont do it at all.

Hopping on and off is worthless, stressfull, damaging and addictive.

There is no point of chemically castrating yourself for extra 10lb of muscle

you on trt dose long term?

 

[Deleted member 126862]

you on trt dose long term?

Im on forever. Currently im building my physique with steroids and its gonna take me around 3 years. Im gonna reach 26.5-27.5 ffmi and gonna stay on trt and healthy till the rest of my days.


Only steroids worth running:

Test, dhb, tren, masteron and gh. All everything is worthless shit

 

[Seeyenar]

Im on forever. Currently im building my physique with steroids and its gonna take me around 3 years. Im gonna reach 26.5-27.5 ffmi and gonna stay on trt and healthy till the rest of my days.

mirin

If PCTing after a 20 week cycle is more damaging than just staying on for life then i might consider the latter.

My only concerns would be my balls, would you just take HCG forever or what?

 

[Deleted member 126862]

mirin

If PCTing after a 20 week cycle is more damaging than just staying on for life then i might consider the latter.

My only concerns would be my balls, would you just take HCG forever or what?

hcg is big massive joke.

If you want to stay on trt forever, what is the point of injecting hcg?

It doesnt help fertility in any way. Yes its stimulates LH, which is hormone that signal testes to produce testosterone, but it doesn’t do a horse shit for FSH hormone that makes you produce sperm

the only concern with gear is having kids, and because hcg doesnt stimulate fsh therefore there is no point of using it.


The only way to get someone pregnant is injection of synthetic FSH which is mad expensive. But yeah nonetheless is the only method, or freeze your sperm before hopping on

 

[Seeyenar]

hcg is big massive joke.

If you want to stay on trt forever, what is the point of injecting hcg?

It doesnt help fertility in any way. Yes its stimulates LH, which is hormone that signal testes to produce testosterone, but it doesn’t do a horse shit for FSH hormone that makes you produce sperm

the only concern with gear is having kids, and because hcg doesnt stimulate fsh therefore there is no point of using it.


The only way to get someone pregnant is injection of synthetic FSH which is mad expensive. But yeah nonetheless is the only method, or freeze your sperm before hopping on

yeah freezing sperm seems like the way to go

 

[5.5psl]

Its good well thought cycle first goal should always be getting lean wish i knew this before your insulin sensivity is gonna skyrocket once you start a lean bulk at sub 12% bf and put much more muscle mass if you started at your current bf%
eat in a moderate deficit and 250mg test e + reta will handle the rest then 12 week final blast eat in a surplus

 

[5.5psl]

you can literally max out that threshold with 200test and good training and nutrition.

you cant be serious writing this
more gear will always mean more results and you dont hit diminishing returns until like 1.5-2g gear per week test alone is more like 750mg per week is when youll start to notice diminishing returns
500 for first cycle is absolutely perfect and sweet spot if you are lean

 

[Deleted member 126862]

you cant be serious writing this
more gear will always mean more results and you dont hit diminishing returns until like 1.5-2g gear per week test alone is more like 750mg per week is when youll start to notice diminishing returns
500 for first cycle is absolutely perfect and sweet spot if you are lean

You are moron. Because you have elevated Aldosterone and E2 and abnormous amounts of water retention , doesnt mean you build more muscle.


Muscle growth have a certain threshold, dont matter how much gear you will use you WONT grow more.

500 test as a first is garbage and is a bro science

 

[redskies42]

so you're doing the cruise before the blast? jfl

well more like a small cycle followed by an actual blast, don't you think I should be low bf% for blast? Also planning on coming off after the 28 weeks

 

[redskies42]

Using Ai/Or Steroid aromatase inhibitors ( EQ/Primo) is not optimal at all, estrogen synthesize igf-1 from growth hormone in your liver, you want your estrogen on higher end.


150 mg a week shouldn’t cause any problems for healthy individual. And best “AI” is simply being lean, 8-12% bodyfat.

Just take a long ester, inject daily, and be lean. Your e2 will be in lower end.

why would you advise taking long ester over shorter?

 

[redskies42]

Its good well thought cycle first goal should always be getting lean wish i knew this before your insulin sensivity is gonna skyrocket once you start a lean bulk at sub 12% bf and put much more muscle mass if you started at your current bf%
eat in a moderate deficit and 250mg test e + reta will handle the rest then 12 week final blast eat in a surplus

thanks, why test e over p or c?

 

[Seeyenar]

why would you advise taking long ester over shorter?

Less chance of bloating and other bad E2 side effects I assume

 

[Deleted member 126862]

why would you advise taking long ester over shorter?

Less blood level spikes. Most of side effects on low doses happens from blood serum concentration spikes.