First cycle question

[senualF]

250 mg test only first month, last 3 month 500 mg + ai, no orals, i assume my growth plates are still open do i still need ai on first month? + I was gonna use hcg but its hard to find and expensive so ig ill just buy looksmaxing items with extra money

 

[sadcel]

how old are you ?

 

[nik.077]

250 mg test only first month, last 3 month 500 mg + ai, no orals, i assume my growth plates are still open do i still need ai on first month? + I was gonna use hcg but its hard to find and expensive so ig ill just buy looksmaxing items with extra money

buy hcg...

 

[senualF]

how old are you ?

17, ill be almost 18 by then

 

[exyonf]

250 mg test only first month, last 3 month 500 mg + ai, no orals, i assume my growth plates are still open do i still need ai on first month? + I was gonna use hcg but its hard to find and expensive so ig ill just buy looksmaxing items with extra money

did you do any blood tests yet?

 

[senualF]

did you do any blood tests yet?

I will im still doing my research, ill hop on this summer

 

[exyonf]

I will im still doing my research, ill hop on this summer

alr

 

[senualF]

Bump

 

[sadcel]

17, ill be almost 18 by then

are you blasting or cruising ? start by 400mg; 250mg is barely above average TRT Dose ( TRT is medical test injection for old men who dont produce enough test anymore ) so if youre going to touch your natural test production by injecting yourself use a great dose.
Gains are also linear till 600mg so by starting that low you leave gains on the table.

How long will your cycle last ?

 

[molecule8]

are you blasting or cruising ? start by 400mg; 250mg is barely above average TRT Dose ( TRT is medical test injection for old men who dont produce enough test anymore )

nothing wrong with having 3-4x more testosterone than naturals have. reduces side profile pretty nicely

though do agree with the above, 300 is more sparing if on cut/low bf, 500+ is better for growth

 

[sadcel]

nothing wrong with having 3-4x more testosterone than naturals have. reduces side profile pretty nicely

though do agree with the above, 300 is more sparing if on cut/low bf, 500+ is better for growth

leaving gains on the table + read the BOTB thread on the first cycle (higher dose doesnt mean bigger side effects)

 

[-zippow]

are you blasting or cruising ? start by 400mg; 250mg is barely above average TRT Dose ( TRT is medical test injection for old men who dont produce enough test anymore ) so if youre going to touch your natural test production by injecting yourself use a great dose.
Gains are also linear till 600mg so by starting that low you leave gains on the table.

How long will your cycle last ?

worst advice ever telling a 17 year old to blast 600mg test he should be on enough test to bring his e2 high enough for gh to work optimally, then if he wants more progress add in another anabolic, or increase the test dosage alongside something like eq or primo to bring down e2 from the increased test. but still, nowhere near 600mg

 

[molecule8]

(higher dose doesnt mean bigger side effects)

absolute retard holy

guarantee you don't even look at bloodwork

 

[sadcel]

worst advice ever telling a 17 year old to blast 600mg test he should be on enough test to bring his e2 high enough for gh to work optimally, then if he wants more progress add in another anabolic, or increase the test dosage alongside something like eq or primo to bring down e2 from the increased test. but still, nowhere near 600mg

I told him 400mg then 500mg you retard, the comment on linearity of gains is just for information. You cry about blasting that dose then suggest to run another compound in a first cycle you are completely retarded then you could just use AI that's the standard first cycle.

 

[sadcel]

absolute retard holy

guarantee you don't even look at bloodwork

Read any beginner first cycle guide anywhere on the net and it says this you retarded grey

Joined Dec 11, 2025

Go to the BOTB and read the first cycle guide.

 

[-zippow]

I told him 400mg then 500mg you retard, the comment on linearity of gains is just for information. You cry about blasting that dose then suggest to run another compound in a first cycle you are completely retarded then you could just use AI that's the standard first cycle.

proving you know nothing, eq and primo are both aromatase inhibitors

 

[sadcel]

proving you know nothing, eq and primo are both aromatase inhibitors

why make it difficult when you can just run AI if you have high E2 symptoms ? Why run another compound you retard even if it does the job of AI JFL

 

[sadcel]

@ZyzzReincarnate what would you suggest for a first cycle?

 

[-zippow]

why make it difficult when you can just run AI if you have high E2 symptoms ? Why run another compound you retard even if it does the job of AI JFL

??? please tell me this is ragebait and you aren’t actually this stupid.. if you use an ai like aromasin or arimidex your e2 is going to be crashed, fucking impossible to "dial in" your e2 with this approach, and the fact that you think estradiol is not important shows how little you know

 

[sadcel]

and the fact that you think estradiol is not important shows how little you know

Nice try, show me where I said that ?

 

[sadcel]

??? please tell me this is ragebait and you aren’t actually this stupid.. if you use an ai like aromasin or arimidex your e2 is going to be crashed,

Not if you use the recommended doses of aromasin or arimindex and if you get low e2 symtoms like joint pain you lower the dose of AI ? What dont you understand ?

You must calibrate the dose according to the symptoms you have (low or high e2)

 

[-zippow]

Not if you use the recommended doses of aromasin or arimindex and if you get low e2 symtoms like joint pain you lower the dose of AI ? What dont you understand ?

You must calibrate the dose according to the symptoms you have (low or high e2)

lol yet again proving you know nothing, are you getting e2 sensitive blood work? (no, no you’re not, and neither is anyone else on here) if not, then you CANNOT dial e2 with an ai like aromasin. but by all means, please nuke your e2 and make your frontal lobe development halt, i dont think you use it much regardless.

 

[King.epstein]

250 mg test only first month, last 3 month 500 mg + ai, no orals, i assume my growth plates are still open do i still need ai on first month? + I was gonna use hcg but its hard to find and expensive so ig ill just buy looksmaxing items with extra money

AI isnt necessary if your cycle is shorter than 12 months

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

@ZyzzReincarnate what would you suggest for a first cycle?

usually i suggest something along the lines of 250-500mg/week testosterone by itself or you can choose to add another injectable in which id suggest equipoise, masteron (if u know ur hair genetics r good), or anavar. (these dont convert to e2 + will help control estrogen)

For test esters I suggest enanthate or cypionate for your first. Most optimal ester IMO is propionate but requires higher injection frequency, which can be annoying for beginners.

 

[sadcel]

lol yet again proving you know nothing, are you getting e2 sensitive blood work? (no, no you’re not, and neither is anyone else on here) if not, then you CANNOT dial e2 with an ai like aromasin. but by all means, please nuke your e2 and make your frontal lobe development halt, i dont think you use it much regardless.

No matter if you do or not e2 bloodworks (which are mandatory btw along other things in the same bloodwork) you will have the symtoms of high/low e2. using the symptoms you can calibrate the AI dose. Nobody ever said that you needed to crash your e2. Debate closed, I wont continue talking to a retard like you.

fucking impossible to "dial in" your e2 with this approach, and the fact that you think estradiol is not important shows how little you know

You just type shit and then make false claims about me saying e2 is not important JFL Im still waiting for you to prove I said that ?

 

[sadcel]

usually i suggest something along the lines of 250-500mg/week testosterone by itself or you can choose to add another injectable in which id suggest equipoise, masteron (if u know ur hair genetics r good), or anavar. (these dont convert to e2 + will help control estrogen)

For test esters I suggest enanthate or cypionate for your first. Most optimal ester IMO is propionate but requires higher injection frequency, which can be annoying for beginners.

Alright ,thank you. I recommended OP a Test only cycle with AI to control estrogen.

 

[senualF]

usually i suggest something along the lines of 250-500mg/week testosterone by itself or you can choose to add another injectable in which id suggest equipoise, masteron (if u know ur hair genetics r good), or anavar. (these dont convert to e2 + will help control estrogen)

For test esters I suggest enanthate or cypionate for your first. Most optimal ester IMO is propionate but requires higher injection frequency, which can be annoying for beginners.

I dont think ill get real var and its expensive af + i dont trust my hair genes and dont wanna nuke my liver (actually my hair genes are solid but i have shit hairline so even hair thining can cook me)

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Alright ,thank you. I recommended OP a Test only cycle with AI to control estrogen.

I'd like to add on to this mentioning that AI's can be incredibly harmful if used incorrectly, and often times people are deploying them when they don't need to, at the wrong time, or too much of them. That is part of the reason why I suggest adding eq/mast. My personal suggestion would be to have the AI on hand in case you need it, and only deploy once you notice high e2 sides. It is unlikely you'd need an AI at 250mg test/week unless you're quite high bodyfat% but at 500 you'll probably need it.

 

[-zippow]

No matter if you do or not e2 bloodworks (which are mandatory btw along other things in the same bloodwork) you will have the symtoms of high/low e2. using the symptoms you can calibrate the AI dose. Nobody ever said that you needed to crash your e2. Debate closed, I wont continue talking to a retard like you.
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You just type shit and then make false claims about me saying e2 is not important JFL Im still waiting for you to prove I said that ?

I realise now that your ego is way too big to admit you are wrong, so please, go copy this entire thread and put it into an ai of your choice and ask who is being a retard here. you are a classic example of the dunning kruger effect. you claiming 250mg is "barely above average trt" is a blatant lie. a healthy male produces roughly 50–70mg of testosterone per week. 250mg is 3.5x to 5x the natural limit.
Telling a 17-year-old kid to jump to 400-600mg is how you cause permanent HPTA shutdown and is the reason why anabolics have such a bad reputation lmao. on top of this, you think estradiol is just a "side effect" to be managed. e2 is neuroprotective, cardioprotective, and essential for the GH/IGF-1 axis. by telling him to use an ai like armomasin you are telling him to nuke the very hormone that facilitates muscle tissue repair and bone density. you CANNOT dial in e2 on an ai without e2 sensitive bloodwork, your “normal” e2 bloodwork is not going cut it lmao and i guarantee OP doesn’t have access to such bloodwork. suggesting a 17-year-old blast 600mg and "just use an AI" shows you haven't read a single piece of endocrinology literature from the last decade. You aren't giving information, you’re giving a blueprint for a medical emergency. so please, for the love of god, stop giving out your "information" to people who genuinely need good advice.

psst.. backtracking and saying you value e2 is laughable considering you recommended treating e2 as something to be suppressed by default lmao

 

[senualF]

worst advice ever telling a 17 year old to blast 600mg test he should be on enough test to bring his e2 high enough for gh to work optimally, then if he wants more progress add in another anabolic, or increase the test dosage alongside something like eq or primo to bring down e2 from the increased test. but still, nowhere near 600mg

I just saw all of the replys, yeah im not blasting 600 mg on my first cycle for sure lmao shittiest advice i've ever seen 250 mg test with hcg on first month last 3 months ill up the dose to 500 with hcg if i cant handle 500 mg ill lower the dose to 350 and if i get any high e2 side effects ill use low dose ai

 

[senualF]

nothing wrong with having 3-4x more testosterone than naturals have. reduces side profile pretty nicely

though do agree with the above, 300 is more sparing if on cut/low bf, 500+ is better for growth

Im already lean i need lean mass, btw im not blasting and cruising i will try to maintain my lean mass and hop off after 4 months

 

[sadcel]

I just saw all of the replys, yeah im not blasting 600 mg on my first cycle for sure lmao shittiest advice i've ever seen 250 mg test with hcg on first month last 3 months ill up the dose to 500 with hcg if i cant handle 500 mg ill lower the dose to 350 and if i get any high e2 side effects ill use low dose ai

I never advised you to blast 600mg nowhere jeez you greys cant read I told you till 600mg gains are linear for your information, you said in the end you blast 500mg yourself that’s perfectly fine but why start at 250mg

 

[sadcel]

I realise now that your ego is way too big to admit you are wrong, so please, go copy this entire thread and put it into an ai of your choice and ask who is being a retard here. you are a classic example of the dunning kruger effect. you claiming 250mg is "barely above average trt" is a blatant lie. a healthy male produces roughly 50–70mg of testosterone per week. 250mg is 3.5x to 5x the natural limit.
Telling a 17-year-old kid to jump to 400-600mg is how you cause permanent HPTA shutdown and is the reason why anabolics have such a bad reputation lmao. on top of this, you think estradiol is just a "side effect" to be managed. e2 is neuroprotective, cardioprotective, and essential for the GH/IGF-1 axis. by telling him to use an ai like armomasin you are telling him to nuke the very hormone that facilitates muscle tissue repair and bone density. you CANNOT dial in e2 on an ai without e2 sensitive bloodwork, your “normal” e2 bloodwork is not going cut it lmao and i guarantee OP doesn’t have access to such bloodwork. suggesting a 17-year-old blast 600mg and "just use an AI" shows you haven't read a single piece of endocrinology literature from the last decade. You aren't giving information, you’re giving a blueprint for a medical emergency. so please, for the love of god, stop giving out your "information" to people who genuinely need good advice.

psst.. backtracking and saying you value e2 is laughable considering you recommended treating e2 as something to be suppressed by default lmao

I will respond you tomorrow just kys man you know youre in the wrong and just twist my words i never told him to blast 600mg I just Said till 600mg gains are linear learn to read