Foreign Surgeon Pseudo Hype Train

[Deleted member 18361]

there’s this overhyped train on PSL that makes everyone think foreign surgeons specifically Italian surgeons (besides Raffaini) are best for Orthognathic surgery.


this is wrong for reasons:
1. they tell you what you wanna hear. ex: they say they can give you your desired result
2. they upcharge you, because you are a foreigner
3. xenophobic

and american surgeons are often hated because they are expensive but there’s reasons why they are the best option:
1. closer location
2. more expensive, but offers monthly payments if good credit
3. way less invasive
4. they are so much more qualified as it takes way more work to become an american surgeon
5. they tell you the truth ALWAYS. a good surgeon would deny offers like ramus widening under BSSO cut if they know it’s risky.
6. american surgeons would never upcharge a foreigner, this displays far superior professionalism than any foreigner rat


id rather spend more money on a safe, 0 risk of botch surgery than get a cheap surgery but botched and end up having to get it redone by an american surgeon for much more of the original price.

 

[Deleted member 21297]

im a turbo autist

 

[Deleted member 7725]

id rather spend more money on a safe, 0 risk of botch surgery than get a cheap surgery but botched and end up having to get it redone by an american surgeon for much more of the original price.

The irony @chadtindermoney

Usually it's the opposite since they will under advance.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

How badly did pina botch you

 

[Mr.Proper]

For the most users these surgeons are all foreign anyway, but you have to carefully choose your options, consider what practices surgeons use and not just fall for cherrypicked results in the gallery.

 

[incel194012940]

thoughts on bimax in china?

my mom uncle cousin classmate own a hospital so I have discount

 

[Deleted member 20631]

thoughts on bimax in china?

my mom uncle cousin classmate own a hospital so I have discount

Will he perform a Lefort 5? Pls pm name of surgeon bhai

 

[chadtindermoney]

The irony @chadtindermoney

Usually it's the opposite since they will under advance.

Brutal since I got botched by a us surgeon Undet insurance and am going to Italy to revise and advance more

 

[Deleted member 18361]

The irony @chadtindermoney

Usually it's the opposite since they will under advance.

if he dropped the name of the surgeon its likely a non aesthetic based US surgeon. the ones who only look at the bite. a local one who mostly does wisdom teeth extractions, dental implants and occasionally corrects malocclusion, and if they performed bimaxes, then its often never rotational.

when we found Ramieri or Pagnoni, we searched for ones who displayed deep passion towards facial aesthetics so why can’t we do the same for american ones?

 

[Deleted member 18361]

thoughts on bimax in china?

my mom uncle cousin classmate own a hospital so I have discount

China is probably a good place to get invasive surgery. much more qualifications and high levels of education to become a surgeon

though beauty standards are different there and you’d have to run the plan by me or with other US surgeons to be fully sure

 

[Deleted member 7725]

if he dropped the name of the surgeon its likely a non aesthetic based US surgeon. the ones who only look at the bite. a local one who mostly does wisdom teeth extractions, dental implants and occasionally corrects malocclusion, and if they performed bimaxes, then its often never rotational.

when we found Ramieri or Pagnoni, we searched for ones who displayed deep passion towards facial aesthetics so why can’t we do the same for american ones?

There's 2 aesthetic based US maxfac clinics I can name off the top of my head - A&G and Wolford. Their results are really no better than their EU counterparts.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

There's 2 aesthetic based US maxfac clinics I can name off the top of my head - A&G and Wolford. Their results are really no better than their EU counterparts.

steinbacher, sullivan, sinn, movahed, alfi

i know 3 people who got botched by alfaro

a known severely botched by pagnoni

titbot botched by pagnoni

raffaini is the only good surgeon and no one here ever went to him because his consults are only in person

 

[Wallenberg]

1. closer location

Nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Nonsense.

yes, because traveling across the country is more expensive, longer, harder than going to a different continent to some rat hole

 

[Wallenberg]

yes, because traveling across the country is more expensive, longer, harder than going to a different continent to some rat hole

Everyone doesn't live in the US.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Everyone doesn't live in the US.

title of the thread “foreign”

 

[Wallenberg]

title of the thread “foreign”

Yeah, American surgeons are foreign to many

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Yeah, American surgeons are foreign to many

jesus nigga the point was it was towards americans and there was indirect context throughout the post

 

[Deleted member 17429]

At what age do u think one should look into orthognagic surgery?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

At what age do u think one should look into orthognagic surgery?

18-20, if you’re palate is soft enough for MSE and you’re young and need it you should consider that as well.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

At what age do u think one should look into orthognagic surgery?

I think IMDO/distraction osteogenesis works better the younger you are so if you have a provider near you that’s something to consider

 

[Deleted member 17429]

18-20, if you’re palate is soft enough for MSE and you’re young and need it you should consider that as well.

I’m still 16, just using HGH. I don’t know at what age I should stop pubetymaxxing and start surgerymaxxing.

 

[Oberyn]

i think you are pointing pagnoni rather than ramieri.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I’m still 16, just using HGH. I don’t know at what age I should stop pubetymaxxing and start surgerymaxxing.

Pubertymax until 18, you can still see gains from puberty up to 20 and even later if you’re a late bloomer. Think about surgery after you’re done growing

 

[Deleted member 7725]

steinbacher, sullivan, sinn, movahed, alfi

i know 3 people who got botched by alfaro

a known severely botched by pagnoni

titbot botched by pagnoni

raffaini is the only good surgeon and no one here ever went to him because his consults are only in person

Sinn is retired.

Steinbacher hasn't been accepting new patients for months, etc. His results are not impressive at all anyways.

Titbot got eye surgery, not bimax iirc. Every surgeon has botched cases. Only advantage of US surgeons is you can sue them in that case but cosmetic surgeries rarely classify as malpractice, especially when it's a case on the means of a negative cosmetic result.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Sinn is retired.

Steinbacher hasn't been accepting new patients for months, etc. His results are not impressive at all anyways.

Titbot got eye surgery, not bimax iirc. Every surgeon has botched cases. Only advantage of US surgeons is you can sue them in that case but cosmetic surgeries rarely classify as malpractice, especially when it's a case on the means of a negative cosmetic result.

Titbot’s eyes, nose got botched. he can’t even perform an ethnic rhinoplasty and he still decided to anyway, he still has asymmetric ears from a fucking otoplasty. ive seen people get obliterated from the most reputable surgeons on here.

alfi, sullivan, arnett & gunson, antipov, posnick, yaremchuk, hanna, warburton, to name the few researched US surgeons. some on this list are CHEAPER than the known Italian surgeons along with the other benefits like monthly payments, location, etc.

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

to the people who are reading this and planning Bimax, you should really listen to the person who’s been through it all. i only want the best for each one of you and getting botched is layers of pain you don’t wanna endure on yourself

 

[Silver]

Titbot’s eyes, nose got botched. he can’t even perform an ethnic rhinoplasty and he still decided to anyway, he still has asymmetric ears from a fucking otoplasty. ive seen people get obliterated from the most reputable surgeons on here.

alfi, sullivan, arnett & gunson, antipov, posnick, yaremchuk, hanna, warburton, to name the few researched US surgeons. some on this list are CHEAPER than the known Italian surgeons along with the other benefits like monthly payments, location, etc.

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

to the people who are reading this and planning Bimax, you should really listen to the person who’s been through it all. i only want the best for each one of you and getting botched is layers of pain you don’t wanna endure on yourself

plenty of the mentioned surgeons have produced several shit results. they've been so bad that you'd criticize them to the extent that you're currently criticizing "international" surgeons (outside of US).

something that needs to be understood is that every surgeon has poor results, the patients who've been "botched" always bark louder than those who are happy with their results.

it's also very unfortunate that you as a patient need so much knowledge so you can determine whether the suggested plan will suit you or not, even then the surgeon can botch you. certain surgeons are good for certain things, and certain surgeons are completely unwilling to work with the patient regarding their aesthetic goals and only want it done their own way (the way they were taught when schooled (not the correct aesthetic way)).

research, research and even then it can all go wrong.

 

[Deleted member 8869]

there’s this overhyped train on PSL that makes everyone think foreign surgeons specifically Italian surgeons (besides Raffaini) are best for Orthognathic surgery.


this is wrong for reasons:
1. they tell you what you wanna hear. ex: they say they can give you your desired result
2. they upcharge you, because you are a foreigner
3. xenophobic

and american surgeons are often hated because they are expensive but there’s reasons why they are the best option:
1. closer location
2. more expensive, but offers monthly payments if good credit
3. way less invasive
4. they are so much more qualified as it takes way more work to become an american surgeon
5. they tell you the truth ALWAYS. a good surgeon would deny offers like ramus widening under BSSO cut if they know it’s risky.
6. american surgeons would never upcharge a foreigner, this displays far superior professionalism than any foreigner rat


id rather spend more money on a safe, 0 risk of botch surgery than get a cheap surgery but botched and end up having to get it redone by an american surgeon for much more of the original price.

dm me with your top surgeon list

 

[Deleted member 8869]

Titbot’s eyes, nose got botched. he can’t even perform an ethnic rhinoplasty and he still decided to anyway, he still has asymmetric ears from a fucking otoplasty. ive seen people get obliterated from the most reputable surgeons on here.

alfi, sullivan, arnett & gunson, antipov, posnick, yaremchuk, hanna, warburton, to name the few researched US surgeons. some on this list are CHEAPER than the known Italian surgeons along with the other benefits like monthly payments, location, etc.

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

to the people who are reading this and planning Bimax, you should really listen to the person who’s been through it all. i only want the best for each one of you and getting botched is layers of pain you don’t wanna endure on yourself

but do they offer ramus widening etc?

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Titbot’s eyes, nose got botched. he can’t even perform an ethnic rhinoplasty and he still decided to anyway, he still has asymmetric ears from a fucking otoplasty. ive seen people get obliterated from the most reputable surgeons on here.

alfi, sullivan, arnett & gunson, antipov, posnick, yaremchuk, hanna, warburton, to name the few researched US surgeons. some on this list are CHEAPER than the known Italian surgeons along with the other benefits like monthly payments, location, etc.

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

to the people who are reading this and planning Bimax, you should really listen to the person who’s been through it all. i only want the best for each one of you and getting botched is layers of pain you don’t wanna endure on yourself

Can you do some research on indian surgeons? I know one who focuses on aesthetics as well as functionality, he's SM Balaji, you can check his website, indian surgeons are comparatively cheap as well, i am planning to do bimax by the time in 24-25

 

[Deleted member 18361]

plenty of the mentioned surgeons have produced several shit results. they've been so bad that you'd criticize them to the extent that you're currently criticizing "international" surgeons (outside of US).

something that needs to be understood is that every surgeon has poor results, the patients who've been "botched" always bark louder than those who are happy with their results.

it's also very unfortunate that you as a patient need so much knowledge so you can determine whether the suggested plan will suit you or not, even then the surgeon can botch you. certain surgeons are good for certain things, and certain surgeons are completely unwilling to work with the patient regarding their aesthetic goals and only want it done their own way (the way they were taught when schooled (not the correct aesthetic way)).

research, research and even then it can all go wrong.

better to research the surgeon. pick the best one. accept the result.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

its better to choose a good surgeon than choose a cheap one but with your plan

 

[Silver]

better to research the surgeon. pick the best one. accept the result.

yes.

figure out what your surgeon "specializes" in and then determine whether they're suited for you or not.

need +12mm advancement of the mandible? don't go to someone who caps their advancement at 12mm and compensate the remainder with genioplasty. need CCWr? don't go to someone who is only comfortable with performing linear advancements.

also don't blindly trust the names of the well mentioned surgeons here, plenty speak of em without any whatsoever research into what makes them "good".

 

[Deleted member 18849]

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

to the people who are reading this and planning Bimax, you should really listen to the person who’s been through it all. i only want the best for each one of you and getting botched is layers of pain you don’t wanna endure on yourself

Did you consider that baldcel Coceancig?

I love that cat.

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Did you consider that baldcel Coceancig?

I love that cat.

Look how money hungry he looks in that picture

 

[Deleted member 18849]

Look how money hungry he looks in that picture

Geniopaully: that guy named a version of genioplasty, his name is Paul.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Titbot’s eyes, nose got botched. he can’t even perform an ethnic rhinoplasty and he still decided to anyway, he still has asymmetric ears from a fucking otoplasty. ive seen people get obliterated from the most reputable surgeons on here.

How did his nose get botched? Looks normal. Otoplasty has a very high revision rate.

alfi, sullivan, arnett & gunson, antipov, posnick, yaremchuk, hanna, warburton, to name the few researched US surgeons. some on this list are CHEAPER than the known Italian surgeons along with the other benefits like monthly payments, location, etc.

A&G, Antipov are 100k+. Yaremchuk does implants, not bimax. And no, they are definitely not cheaper than even the most expensive EU surgeons (aside from Sailer).

you can look at my old posts. i initially believed what you believe. took me to get botched, 3 friends botched to end back to America

Welcome to the world of surgery. I paid a premium price for American surgeons on 2 occasions and got botched. I would've gotten the same or better results in EU or even in Turkey. That's what happens when you take an artistic thing (cosmetic surgeries) and only allow left-brained book-smart aspies to do them.

 

[ChristianChad]

18-20

This is a good discussion topic.

Imo, first and foremost, unless its DO techniques like IMDO etc. Ideally it's best to get jaw surgery above 20 because at younger ages you can get chances of skeletal relapse. This isn't really based on any literature it's just my impression from reading oldcels who got jaw surgeries at 12-16 and are now 35 and have completely relapsed and need another surgery. Idk how this can happen tbqh but that's what I read and my conclusion is that at younger ages you can relapse. (Bare in mind, reading that stuff was the first time I read on jaw surgery "relapsing" so I know nothing about this, I was surprised this can even happen as I didn't know this)
Another reason I see to get it after 20 is because your face isn't finished growing before then, if you do osteomies you can reduce potential development to the areas you cut off.

I'd agree between 18-20 it's ideal to do Distraction Osteogenesis stuff because I heard recovery and everything is much better but I don't see why it'd be ideal for traditional jaw surgery. Most people only have the opportunity to get jaw surgery only in mid 20s - mid 30s...
I don't see a time limit unless you're 35+, I thought you can basically do it whenever u like