Frame is the most overglazed factor on org

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Many people seem to think that frame is on tier with importance for appeal with height and face.
IMO this is a bad take.

People likely only feel this way because they see comparisons in clavicles with drastically different widths, such as this photo:
Screenshot 2025 09 09 at 74447PM


Yes, This is an absolutely brutal mog (more so due to face than frame IMO), but it's also important to note that it is EXTREMELY rare to have clavicles as narrow as the left guy.

Nearly everyones clavicles (INCLUDING the dude from your school who pulls all the HTBS) will look similar to this:
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This bone structure would not be considered wide/tapered by bodybuilding or .org standards, yet they do not negatively affect your appeal whatsoever.
As long as you are not noticeably extremely narrow shouldered (which is pretty rare, I don't think i've ever seen this IRL), I don't really think frame matters.

Of course, it's a completely different story if your goal is to be a bodybuilder.

ALSO: can everyone stop lying about their bidelt? Seen so many people claiming to have 23 in+ (one guy even said 27, not sure if larp or delusion JFL)


 
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Lundgren frame or death
 
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Sounds like cope, sorry man luckily frame is easy to fraud people with the frame listed at the end
 
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high IQ take, having a death tier trait like frame or height can kill your SMV, so people see this example and exaggerate the framepill. We can’t deny that frame still plays a role in SMV tho
 
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Sounds like cope, sorry man luckily frame is easy to fraud people with the frame listed at the end
frame only matters for appeal if ur extremely narrow
 
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frame only matters for appeal if ur extremely narrow
a wider frame will always mog a narrower one tho purely talking in frame, not overall SMV
 
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It will always boost your appeal regardless
being a lil wider won't help nearly as much as being taller or having better face.Not disagreeing that it can help to some extent. Some people put it on tier with face and height tho, which I disagree w strongly
 
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being a lil wider won't help nearly as much as being taller or having better face.Not disagreeing that it can help to some extent. Some people put it on tier with face and height tho, which I disagree w strongly
Obviously height and face mog, but it is a strong add on.
 
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Many people seem to think that frame is on tier with importance for appeal with height and face.
IMO this is a bad take.

People likely only feel this way because they see comparisons in clavicles with drastically different widths, such as this photo:
View attachment 4099559

Yes, This is an absolutely brutal mog (more so due to face than frame IMO), but it's also important to note that it is EXTREMELY rare to have clavicles as narrow as the left guy.

Nearly everyones clavicles (INCLUDING the dude from your school who pulls all the HTBS) will look similar to this:
View attachment 4099572

This bone structure would not be considered wide/tapered by bodybuilding or .org standards, yet they do not negatively affect your appeal whatsoever.
As long as you are not noticeably extremely narrow shouldered (which is pretty rare, I don't think i've ever seen this IRL), I don't really think frame matters.

Of course, it's a completely different story if your goal is to be a bodybuilder.

ALSO: can everyone stop lying about their bidelt? Seen so many people claiming to have 23 in+ (one guy even said 27, not sure if larp or delusion JFL)


Girls don’t give a crap about your body I wish I learned this earlier when I got into the gym now I’m a gymcel :lul::feelswhy:
 
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Girls don’t give a crap about your body I wish I learned this earlier when I got into the gym now I’m a gymcel :lul::feelswhy:
as long as ur not extremely narrow and not over 15% body fat, i don't think most girls give af at all. Being muscular/extremely lean/extemely good frame may appeal to some types of girls but all the HTBS from my school don't seem to take this kind of shi into account at all. They only care about face and height
 
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as long as ur not extremely narrow and not over 15% body fat, i don't think most girls give af at all. Being muscular/extremely lean/extemely good frame may appeal to some types of girls but all the HTBS from my school don't seem to take this kind of shi into account at all. They only care about face and height
Generally so over for me even after finding about Bp in 7th grade I still cope and hope a girl finds me attractive for my body :feelswhy::feelswah:
 
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as long as ur not extremely narrow and not over 15% body fat, i don't think most girls give af at all. Being muscular/extremely lean/extemely good frame may appeal to some types of girls but all the HTBS from my school don't seem to take this kind of shi into account at all. They only care about face and height
This is the thing most of you guys do not understand. Imagine the same guys the htbs from your school are going for with wider clavicles and a shredded lean physique. They will undoubtedly like them 2x more.
 
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Generally so over for me even after finding about Bp in 7th grade I still cope and hope a girl finds me attractive for my body :feelswhy::feelswah:
being muscular might add appeal for u w/ some girls. generally they don't gaf tho. some are repulsed by muscles
 
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Many people seem to think that frame is on tier with importance for appeal with height and face.
IMO this is a bad take.

People likely only feel this way because they see comparisons in clavicles with drastically different widths, such as this photo:
View attachment 4099559

Yes, This is an absolutely brutal mog (more so due to face than frame IMO), but it's also important to note that it is EXTREMELY rare to have clavicles as narrow as the left guy.

Nearly everyones clavicles (INCLUDING the dude from your school who pulls all the HTBS) will look similar to this:
View attachment 4099572

This bone structure would not be considered wide/tapered by bodybuilding or .org standards, yet they do not negatively affect your appeal whatsoever.
As long as you are not noticeably extremely narrow shouldered (which is pretty rare, I don't think i've ever seen this IRL), I don't really think frame matters.

Of course, it's a completely different story if your goal is to be a bodybuilder.

ALSO: can everyone stop lying about their bidelt? Seen so many people claiming to have 23 in+ (one guy even said 27, not sure if larp or delusion JFL)


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This is the thing most of you guys do not understand. Imagine the same guys the htbs from your school are going for with wider clavicles and a shredded lean physique. They will undoubtedly like them 2x more.
My point with this is if you have the height and face... GYMCEL.

If not ldar?? Gymcelling should always be up here
 
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This is the thing most of you guys do not understand. Imagine the same guys the htbs from your school are going for with wider clavicles and a shredded lean physique. They will undoubtedly like them 2x more.
True with the wide clavicles. can be a good add on. doesn't matter nearly as much as face or height tho. Also, some girls are repulsed by shredded/muscular physiques
 
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I mean like who doesn't want a good frame so I have to disagree
MIRIN THE EFFORT THO
 
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I mean like who doesn't want a good frame so I have to disagree
MIRIN THE EFFORT THO
not disagreeing, u would be dumb to not want a better frame. All im saying is that girls general do not give a shit about it. Many people make it out to be fucking life or death
 
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True with the wide clavicles. can be a good add on. doesn't matter nearly as much as face or height tho. Also, some girls are repulsed by shredded/muscular physiques
Cope, no foids are repulsed by this
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Ur title is legit "gymmaxxed" dude
 
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not disagreeing, u would be dumb to not want a better frame. All im saying is that girls general do not give a shit about it. Many people make it out to be fucking life or death
Yea your right
 
being muscular might add appeal for u w/ some girls. generally they don't gaf tho. some are repulsed by muscles
Nigga is just saying shit
 
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Research has shown that frame is very important for female selection and even more so for male respect.

Ideal frame is this:
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Research has shown that frame is very important for female selection and even more so for male respect.

Ideal frame is this:
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I remember this guy from Altered Carbon and yeah he has a mogger frame not too ogre like but considerably above average (mogs facially too).

But yeah it is glazed quite a bit; a frame like Loox's is uncanny and way too male gazed.
 
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for bodybuilding or whatever sure but girls don't GAF about this
not even for body building , bodybuilding is cope anyways

For raw primal attraction its a halo tbh . Not a necessity but indeed will help .

For psl and mogging its needed , stuff like clavicle length , skull size & facial bone mass is needed to truly be a mogger , like a true psl mogger .
 
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Lmao

Im gonna be honest my clavicles are like my best genetic trait

They're so wide even when I was untrained

Shout-out to my boy Eric also
 
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