FRANKFURT PLANE CHIN MEASUREMENT WITH PIC

[rares54]

is this correct or am i leaning my head too much up?

 

[imontheloose]

Yes, good enough. Doesn't need to be perfect to the mm or degree.

 

[rares54]

Yes, good enough. Doesn't need to be perfect to the mm or degree.

finally a knowledgeable user. would you say my maxilla is fine?

the pic is taken w 48mm back cam, close enough to 50mm human eye view, from 6 feet away.

 

[pfl]

its correct
ur frontal bone is just recessed

 

[imontheloose]

finally a knowledgeable user. would you say my maxilla is fine?

the pic is taken w 48mm back cam, close enough to 50mm human eye view, from 6 feet away.

nice. ur maxilla is fine. its ur infras that make ur midface look recessed like tha. the vector provides that perception. u wont need paranasal imps or a lefort.

 

[kaydd]

I wish people would stop covering 90% of their forehead when taking side pics

 

[rares54]

I wish people would stop covering 90% of their forehead when taking side pics

what would my hairline offer you for information in this pic

 

[rares54]

nice. ur maxilla is fine. its ur infras that make ur midface look recessed like tha. the vector provides that perception. u wont need paranasal imps or a lefort.

thanks. yeah my infras are actually bad from the front, its probably a bone issue. maybe i could start off with fillers?

 

[rares54]

its correct
ur frontal bone is just recessed

Damn, but my eyes are already kinda deep set. wouldn't an eyebrow ridge implant make me look ogreish?

I was thinking of shaving down my radix to kind of give the illusion of a stronger browridge, and also improve the nasofrontal angle

 

[imontheloose]

thanks. yeah my infras are actually bad from the front, its probably a bone issue. maybe i could start off with fillers?

u will need an implant 4 them. doubt filler is viable for that level of recession. the issue isnt migration, its just the concern of it sagging, same w any soft tissue on little structure. if u put a graft on shitty infras, theyll sag.

 

[kaydd]

what would my hairline offer you for information in this pic

Quite a few things, even if you consider bimax/genio, the frontal bone is the main limitation for the advancements you’d think you need

 

[rares54]

its correct
ur frontal bone is just recessed

just a rhino + blurred recessed infras.

no brow alternation

 

[rares54]

u will need an implant 4 them. doubt filler is viable for that level of recession. the issue isnt migration, its just the concern of it sagging, same w any soft tissue on little structure. if u put a graft on shitty infras, theyll sag.

Yeah an implant would probably be the best choice, even if it comes with more ''risks''. since its permanent, and i can always add fillers on top of an implant ( i think?) but not the other way around
thanks bro

 

[imontheloose]

Yeah an implant would probably be the best choice, even if it comes with more ''risks''. since its permanent, and i can always add fillers on top of an implant ( i think?) but not the other way around
thanks bro

of course & all good.

 

[rares54]

Quite a few things, even if you consider bimax/genio, the frontal bone is the main limitation for the advancements you’d think you need

fair enough. but u can kind of already see the important part of my frontal bone in the pic. for reference my overall forehead is slanted, its not straight up

 

[yussimania]

@geenk worg the new way of measuring FHP

 

[rares54]

whats that?

@geenk worg the new way of measuring FHP

i dont think i have forward head posture in this pic, maybe a little. but still shouldnt affect the frankfurt measurement, only would make my overall face look more ''inward''

 

[Lefor3Laser]

its correct
ur frontal bone is just recessed

His frontal bone is nothing near reccesed.

 

[pfl]

His frontal bone is nothing near reccesed.

it is relative to his maxilla

 

[rares54]

it is relative to his maxilla

I kinda see it when u look from the maxillas perspective, but a rhino like in that pic would make it look a lot bigger/less recessed. What u think?

 

[pfl]

but a rhino like in that pic would make it look a lot bigger/less recessed. What u think?

i agree

 

[geenk worg]

@geenk worg the new way of measuring FHP

Always need a scan to measure FHP because there can be many variations of the landmarks positions, however it's not always the best plane for every face to decide where to position jaws and you have to take into account the different angles in the profile line and other stuff that can't always be seen in a scan.

I don't think you even need a scan or FHP to know where you want things to go. When i ask people here to post their scan it's mostly because the majority of people don't know shit about taking good and trustable photographs.

 

[yussimania]

Always need a scan to measure FHP because there can be many variations of the landmarks positions, however it's not always the best plane for every face to decide where to position jaws and you have to take into account the different angles in the profile line and other stuff that can't always be seen in a scan.

I don't think you even need a scan or FHP to know where you want things to go. When i ask people here to post their scan it's mostly because the majority of people don't know shit about taking good and trustable photographs.

Nah I was being ironic

He's looking too far up even tho he got all these lines I found it funny that he got it wrong

People use the lowest point of the orbital vector when it's supposed to be the orbitale. Orbital vector also takes into account midface projection

You can only guess where the orbitale is if you have seen enough scans

 

[zemult]

Nah I was being ironic

He's looking too far up even tho he got all these lines I found it funny that he got it wrong

People use the lowest point of the orbital vector when it's supposed to be the orbitale. Orbital vector also takes into account midface projection

You can only guess where the orbitale is if you have seen enough scans

It's not perfect frankfurt plane but it's still relatively close.

I drew a line to where I'd expect his orbitale to roughly be

If I tilt the photo slightly you can still see if anything is too recessed it's probably his chin to a slight degree.

Tilting isn't going to be the 1:1 simulation of reality, but I don't think there's much to worry about.

 

[zemult]

I sperged out a bit and gave him very slight chin projection.

I don't morph for shit so I'll probably wake up and laugh at it but it looks half decent to me as I'm writing this

 

[yussimania]

It's not perfect frankfurt plane but it's still relatively close.

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I drew a line to where I'd expect his orbitale to roughly be

If I tilt the photo slightly you can still see if anything is too recessed it's probably his chin to a slight degree.

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Tilting isn't going to be the 1:1 simulation of reality, but I don't think there's much to worry about.

I don't think using the glabella is a good landmark for assessing chin projection as it is skewed by cranial base

Rather you should use the Nasion and then assess the chin to the upper lip in the FHP. It should never be further than the upper lip otherwise mentolabial fold will be too deep and it will look ogre

Also the morph I can't really see much of a difference - he needs more than a genioplasty unfortunately

 

[zemult]

I don't think using the glabella is a good landmark for assessing chin projection as it is skewed by cranial base

Yeah there's better landmarks like if you don't have good lip assessments there's more likely a problem with the jaw or chin

But I think you can just tell by looking most of the time

Also the morph I can't really see much of a difference - he needs more than a genioplasty unfortunately

I mean I moved the chin by literally nothing so yeah. He already looks decent otherwise. I don't see any clear signs of recession

 

[Animepilled]

not the niggas telling him its the correct posture . ur tilting ur head very much. ur jaw is noticeably recessed

 

[rares54]

not the niggas telling him its the correct posture . ur tilting ur head very much. ur jaw is noticeably recessed

Shut up grey

 

[rares54]

Nah I was being ironic

He's looking too far up even tho he got all these lines I found it funny that he got it wrong

People use the lowest point of the orbital vector when it's supposed to be the orbitale. Orbital vector also takes into account midface projection

You can only guess where the orbitale is if you have seen enough scans

Hey man. thanks for the great reply. i followed @thecel s guide to take the pic

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ill try posting a more accurate one, even though it was really close, i tried using the orbitale but its hard to pinpoint it exactly

 

[rares54]

he needs more than a genioplasty unfortunately

What do you think i need besides the genio, infra implants and a rhino?

 

[rares54]

He already looks decent otherwise. I don't see any clear signs of recession

thanks. im not gonna be super autistic about it, i know people here want literal perfection when it comes to recession, some male models are recessed even (cope). but ill try uploading a better pic

 

[lurking truecel]

nice. ur maxilla is fine. its ur infras that make ur midface look recessed like tha. the vector provides that perception. u wont need paranasal imps or a lefort.

His infras arent recessed, what in the actual

 

[lurking truecel]

I mean being exact with frankfurt horizontal is hard when you dont know where the bone are. Your head is slightly tilted up. Your teeth a protruding, and your lower jaw is recessed if we talk ideal.

This is closer to your fhs, ehich makes it obv your chin is lacking slighlty

This is somewhat how it would look if you did bsso or genio

 

[rares54]

better pic i think, please do this one

@lurking truecel
@zemult
@yussimania
@geenk worg

 

[rares54]

I mean being exact with frankfurt horizontal is hard when you dont know where the bone are. Your head is slightly tilted up. Your teeth a protruding, and your lower jaw is recessed if we talk ideal.

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This is closer to your fhs, ehich makes it obv your chin is lacking slighlty

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This is somewhat how it would look if you did bsso or genio

thanks bro. yeah something seems off even if the lines actually line up. i might need a bsso tbh, look at the pic below. might be more accurate

 

[Animepilled]

Shut up grey

nigga rots here since 2023 doesnt understand how recession is measured . Even in the last pic ur tilting ur head. because ur very recessed and need to tilt head to breath. Bimax ccw 2cm advancementat least

 

[rares54]

nigga rots here since 2023 doesnt understand how recession is measured . Even in the last pic ur tilting ur head. because ur very recessed and need to tilt head to breath. Bimax ccw 2cm advancementat least

I can breathe fine in a chin tuck

 

[lurking truecel]

View attachment 4782763 better pic i think, please do this one

@lurking truecel
@zemult
@yussimania
@geenk worg

Before

bsso + chin

Bimax

 

[rares54]

Before

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bsso + chin

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Bimax

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holy shit yeah that would ascend me like crazy. would help with fat distribution too.

Ill send a video

 

[lurking truecel]

holy shit yeah that would ascend me like crazy. would help with fat distribution too.

Ill send a video
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Yes your cheeks would look less puffy

 

[rares54]

Yes your cheeks would look less puffy

Do you think i can cope with aqualyx for now?

the fat makes me look extra recessed, you can see when i tilt my head up it looks 'normal'

would have to save up for bimax then, but i already got aqualyx

 

[lurking truecel]

Do you think i can cope with aqualyx for now?

the fat makes me look extra recessed, you can see when i tilt my head up it looks 'normal'

would have to save up for bimax then, but i already got aqualyx

Yes you can, but i would try to get bimax covered somehow because you def are a candidate.

 

[rares54]

Yes you can, but i would try to get bimax covered somehow because you def are a candidate.

alright. Theres one thing im wondering, how come im not so ''downgrown'' despite the recession?

 

[lurking truecel]

alright. Theres one thing im wondering, how come im not so ''downgrown'' despite the recession?

Hard to say, i mean your mandible is a bit downward grown but not your upper face. The reasons are prob just genes, people want to generalize things that cant be generalized with good precision

 

[rares54]

Hard to say, i mean your mandible is a bit downward grown but not your upper face. The reasons are prob just genes, people want to generalize things that cant be generalized with good precision

holy shit if i actually looked like this

a few mm away from being treated diffferently

 

[lurking truecel]

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holy shit if i actually looked like this

a few mm away from being treated diffferently

Yea but side is kinds cope, but yes if the front improves 100%

 

[rares54]

Yea but side is kinds cope, but yes if the front improves 100%

Here u go

 

[Animepilled]

Here u go
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bro is ready to ascend with that song. btw bimax wont change the front. still worth for ur side imo

 

[rares54]

bro is ready to ascend with that song. btw bimax wont change the front. still worth for ur side imo

jfl ofc bro. lady gaga and praying to gandy

yea i know side is mostly cope, but we are all autists that want everything to be better. but damn man bimax is expensive af