Free will vs determinism

[Deleted member 20399]

believing there’s no free will is just an excuse to give up … convince me otherwise

@vanillaicecream
@alpha_provider

 

[alpha_provider]

I got through this phase 10 yrs ago, broski

False dichotomy etc

 

[_MVP_]

Its legit, but U can still commit Crime If U really want

 

[Jungcuck]

At each moment you can do only one thing that is determined, otherwise if you can do an other thing given the same state of the world and your state of mind then your choices are absolutely random but it's impossible so free will doesn't exist.

 

[Deleted member 42009]

free will is a myth

if it wasnt, you would fix your life and you wouldnt be here

 

[Jungcuck]

It's not an excuse to give up, it should take away all your regrets and make you move on.

 

[vanillaicecream]

No it's just a logical observation, you should study it more in depth before making such statements

It all begins when you're born and brought up in an environment through no choice of your own. All your views and choices are shaped through that involuntary placement and conditions of social development, then it's all a chain of events and prior causes acting upon one another and causing you to make choices that couldn't have been otherwise. You have will as a result of being an intelligent agent but it's free, it's all a result of your brain which you have no ultimate control over and the interaction with the environment that pushes you into a constrained and limited set of options that you didn't choose. Free will is not possible for agents that come after the environment and only what we call "God" could have it because he would be precede everything and be in ultimate control of the environment and circumstances and have a say in how it's set in motion.

 

[Deleted member 20399]

I got through this phase 10 yrs ago, broski

False dichotomy etc

Idk what that means broski

 

[vanillaicecream]

free will is a myth

if it wasnt, you would fix your life and you wouldnt be here

This is actually a spot on and quick dagger on this issue... he wants to change and wants to have a better life and yet can't... because of external factors outside of his control...I dont see how he could argue for free will when his own circumstance shows it doesnt exist

 

[Deleted member 20399]

This is actually a spot on and quick dagger on this issue... he wants to change and wants to have a better life and yet can't... because of external factors outside of his control...I dont see how he could argue for free will when his own circumstance shows it doesnt exist

I’m not arguing I agree with it tbh

 

[vanillaicecream]

I’m not arguing I agree with it tbh

You said no free will is just an excuse to give up nibba dont go back on your word now because you've been schooled. Hahahaha.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Maybe if you are a short sighted fool

 

[Deleted member 20399]

You said no free will is just an excuse to give up nibba dont go back on your word now because you've been schooled. Hahahaha.

umm no little buddy I wanted someone to thoroughly convince me was never arguing but mkay whatever u say pal

 

[Deleted member 20399]

Maybe if you are a short sighted fool

What u on about scumbag

 

[vanillaicecream]

pal

Ok, glad you've been convinced of the truth

 

[Deleted member 14693]

No it's just a logical observation, you should study it more in depth before making such statements

It all begins when you're born and brought up in an environment through no choice of your own. All your views and choices are shaped through that involuntary placement and conditions of social development, then it's all a chain of events and prior causes acting upon one another and causing you to make choices that couldn't have been otherwise. You have will as a result of being an intelligent agent but it's free, it's all a result of your brain which you have no ultimate control over and the interaction with the environment that pushes you into a constrained and limited set of options that you didn't choose. Free will is not possible for agents that come after the environment and only what we call "God" could have it because he would be precede everything and be in ultimate control of the environment and circumstances and have a say in how it's set in motion.

A logical observation can still just be an excuse to be lazy. those don't contradict one another

 

[vanillaicecream]

Correction to my first post in this thread: we have will but it is NOT* free. Shit, I hate making mistakes...

 

[alpha_provider]

Idk what that means broski

What difference does "realizing you have no free will" make if you still have no idea where your will will get you/what your future actions will be

 

[iblamechico]

What difference does "realizing you have no free will" make if you still have no idea where your will will get you/what your future actions will be

To get cool points in autistic philosophical debates

 

[JosefMengelecel]

No it's just a logical observation, you should study it more in depth before making such statements

It all begins when you're born and brought up in an environment through no choice of your own. All your views and choices are shaped through that involuntary placement and conditions of social development, then it's all a chain of events and prior causes acting upon one another and causing you to make choices that couldn't have been otherwise. You have will as a result of being an intelligent agent but it's free, it's all a result of your brain which you have no ultimate control over and the interaction with the environment that pushes you into a constrained and limited set of options that you didn't choose. Free will is not possible for agents that come after the environment and only what we call "God" could have it because he would be precede everything and be in ultimate control of the environment and circumstances and have a say in how it's set in motion.

environmental determinism is the truth, all the things that have happened in my life (doesn't matter if good or bad) were all due to environment, the incels.is crowd need to shut the fuck up about their cucked genetic determinism bullshit, I don't care about some mystery goop DNA in my cells nor do I think it determines my life