📖 From Recessed Birdcel to Projected Chad: CCW Rotation Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants Guide 💯

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer.
  
  

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.
  
  

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  

  

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).
  

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

 

[away]

dnr yet but i can tell high effort thread

 

[Navity]

Great thread.

 

[Disturbed]

dnr yet but i can tell high effort thread

Thanks i tried new formatting what u think

Great thread.

thanks navity

 

[Navity]

inb4 Sticky.

thanks navity

Call me Nav

 

[kdz777]

i would let u fuck me for effort u put into making these threads

 

[Navity]

i would let u fuck me for effort u put into making these threads

Inb4 Ban.

 

[Itsover_sub5]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer.
• View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.
• View attachment 4900917
• View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss)
• Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952
  [*]View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).
• View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You vs. When They CAN'T


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

you shower?

 

[Disturbed]

inb4 Sticky.

Call me Nav

What is sticky

you shower?

i gotta

Inb4 Ban.

nah the mods dig it

 

[Disturbed]

@SlayerJonas botb wortht?

 

[Navity]

What is sticky

When you open the "looksmaxxing" section, on top of there are certain threads for exmaple:

These threads are stickied, Looksmaxxing threads are stickied for 1 week I believe.

 

[orina]

mirin effort

 

[Disturbed]

When you open the "looksmaxxing" section, on top of there are certain threads for exmaple:View attachment 4901092

These threads are stickied, Looksmaxxing threads are stickied for 1 week I believe.

Ooh aight

 

[Disturbed]

mirin effort

Thanks mirin avi

 

[Disturbed]

@Idontknow- @Warism @ViktorBErnest @Hess @NinjaRG9

 

[Disturbed]

Welp this thread went viral didnt it

 

[Whiteboard7]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

Good thread bhai! Thanks for always pinging me. I may be off the forum sooner or later just don't see a point with anything

 

[Whiteboard7]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

Should I jump the shark and get it?

 

[Disturbed]

Good thread bhai! Thanks for always pinging me. I may be off the forum sooner or later just don't see a point with anything

Ofcourse king

Should I jump the shark and get it?

yea

 

[inceliusndius]

Mirin

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

 

[Disturbed]

Mirin

Thanks this thread got like 0 replies tho

 

[Whiteboard7]

Ofcourse king

Love it. There is only one king not me

yea

Why though. JW

 

[Disturbed]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

b

 

[Disturbed]

Love it. There is only one king not me

Why though. JW

Surgery is always worth it, and yeah im the king

 

[Whiteboard7]

Surgery is always worth it, and yeah im the king

Not Jesus. But you're chill though. Yeah but my philtrum is my biggest gripe

 

[Disturbed]

Not Jesus. But you're chill though. Yeah but my philtrum is my biggest gripe

no worshipping another man is gay

 

[Frenulum]

b

did you mention me here

 

[Disturbed]

did you mention me here

Huh

 

[Topkra]

Why did you delete the mention lmao

 

[unknownincel]

good thread will read soon.

 

[Frenulum]

wow

 

[Disturbed]

Why did you delete the mention lmao

huh wdym

 

[Topkra]

huh wdym

.

 

[looksmaxxingatitsfi]

mirin effort

 

[Whiteboard7]

no worshipping another man is gay

Uh Okay

 

[Disturbed]

mirin effort

Thanks kimg

 

[Disturbed]

@Whiteboard7
Also thinkabout that i

Uh Okay

have npd im different mayne

 

[Disturbed]

@Whiteboard7
Also thinkabout that i

Uh Okay

have npd im different mayne

 

[Jimcel]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Jaw implants add width/angle where CCW alone can't (especially if your gonions are naturally narrow).View attachment 4901026

CCW Bimax + Infra-Zygo + Jaw Implants


This is what actually saves the worst cases:

• Bimax CCW fixes the foundation (projection and rotation).
• Infra-zygo adds midface support and eye area harmony.
• Custom jawline locks in the lower third width and definition.

Results?
From recessed birdcel to wide, projected, hunter eyed chad in one or two stages. Many Eppley style custom implant cases + CCW bimax show + 2-3 psl.

When They CAN Save You VS
When They CAN'T.


They CAN save you if:

• You have decent baseline harmony (good eyes, skin tone, hair, no extreme asymmetry).
• Main failo is skeletal recession + downward growth.
• You go to a top-tier surgeon who plans CCW properly (not just "advance everything").
• You accept 12-18 months swelling and possible revisions.

They CAN'T save you if:

• Your frontal ratios are fucked (narrow face, bad FWHR, weak eyes) — bimax/implants won't magically widen everything harmoniously.
• You expect to go from true subhuman to top 1% — bone moves, but soft tissue, skin quality, and overall genetics still matter.
• Bad planning: too much CCW = short lower third + uncanny tilt; wrong implant size = plastic look.
• You skip retention or aftercare → relapse kills the gains.
• You have massive soft tissue failos (bad lips, sagging skin, zero muscle) — surgery highlights them.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Gonna shower now hopefully this gets some rep n replies

Great thread

 

[Whiteboard7]

@Whiteboard7
Also thinkabout that i

have npd im different mayne

Fair. Isn't everyone. Its you life. I have narcissistic personality traits. Not the disorder but traits.

 

[Disturbed]

Great thread

Thanks mirin new profile

Fair. Isn't everyone. Its you life. I have narcissistic personality traits. Not the disorder but traits.

but you still worship another man?

 

[Whiteboard7]

Thanks mirin new profile

but you still worship another man?

I said Traits. Not full blown Yet... Also I know you're not religious but I believe there is a god and that this is the best way to get to him

 

[Disturbed]

I said Traits. Not full blown Yet... Also I know you're not religious but I believe there is a god and that this is the best way to get to him

My family is religious, i pose as religious.
I hate religion, everything about it makes me sick, i am my own god.

 

[JOTAROSON]

Bro, if you're a downward grown, recessed, long face or birdcel with weak projection, flat midface, no jawline and shit lower third — this is the post that can actually ascend you. CCW Bimax + targeted implants is the nuclear option for hardmaxxing.

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – The King of Forward Growth

What it actually is:
Double jaw surgery = LeFort I (maxilla) + BSSO (mandible). CCW (Counterclockwise rotation) means the entire maxilla - mandibular complex is rotated up and forward instead of just straight forward or downward.

Spoiler: What it does

• Posterior maxilla gets downgrafted (or anterior impacted).
• Chin (pogonion) shoots up + forward dramatically.
• Mandible autorotates CCW, shortening vertical excess, squaring the gonial angle, and giving insane projection without making your face longer. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

Aesthetic advantages

Spoiler: Advantages

• Side profile: Massive chin/jaw projection, better lip support, fixed recessed maxilla, stronger ramus. Many guys go from a recessed cuck to forward grown htb fucker.
• Frontal changes: Lower third shortens (very fucking good if you have long face), gonial angles drop and look wider/squarer, midface projection pops zygos naturally.
• Airway bonus: Opens breathing like crazy (a big bonus if you favor good sleep). Forum consensus + surgeon data: CCW is what turns ”yo cuck” into "yo chad”. Linear advancement alone often fails to deliver enough chin projection because of bite limits.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

Limitations

• If your occlusal plane is already flat/neutral → over-rotation looks uncanny (inverted smile, weird tilt).
• Long midface + no anterior impaction = even longer lower third (common fail).
• Frontal harmony bad (narrow jaws, bad eye area, shit skin) → side profile pops but you still look off from front.
• Relapse risk if not enough fixation or bad surgeon (some guys report 3-6mm loss).
  Spoiler: Examples

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Implants – The Precision Tools (Infraorbital rims - Zygomatics + Combined Jaw)

When bimax alone isn't enough, these are the add-ons that finish the job.​

Implant Type	What It Does	Best For	Can Save?	Can't Save?
Infraorbital Rim	Builds under-eye support, fixes negative vector, reduces tear troughs	Recessed midface + hollow eyes	Yes — huge eye support & midface pop	Alone won't fix jaw or chin
Zygomatic / Malar	High cheekbones, zygomatic arch projection	Flat midface, no zygos	Yes - creates good eyes contrast	Won't help lower third
Infra-Zygo Combo (custom infraorbital-malar)	One-piece midface rim + cheekbone augmentation	Full midface deficiency	God-tier for recessed upper face	Needs jaw work to balance
Custom Jawline / Angle + Chin	Wraps entire mandible — angles, body, chin	Weak gonions, no definition	Turns soft jaw into square PSL mogger jaw.	Looks uncanny if overdone or mismatched width
Full Combo (Infra-Zygo + Jawline)	Total skeletal masculinization	Severe recession everywhere	Saves subhumans when bimax isn't option	Bad surgeon = fake/plastic look

Real advantages of implants:

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

• Custom (from CT scan) = perfect fit, no guesswork.
• Can be done stand alone or post bimax for fine tuning.
• Infra-zygo combo fixes the exact area bimax sometimes leaves hollow (under-eyes n cheeks).
• Челюстные имплантаты увеличивают ширину/угол там, где одних только имплантатов против часовой стрелки недостаточно (особенно если ваши гонионы от природы узкие).View attachment 4901026

[/СПОЙЛЕР]


C C W Бимакс + Инфра - Зиго + Челюстные имплантаты


Именно это и спасает самые тяжелые случаи:

• Система Bimax CCW фиксирует фундамент (выступ и вращение).
• Инфра-зиго обеспечивает поддержку средней части лица и гармонизацию области вокруг глаз.
• Индивидуально подобранная линия подбородка подчеркивает ширину и четкость нижней трети лица.

Результаты?
От утопленной уздечки до широкой, выступающей, с выразительными глазами за один-два этапа. Много случаев имплантации в стиле Эппли + демонстрация бимаксиллярного протеза с вращением против часовой стрелки + 2-3 псли.

Когда они МОГУТ спасти вас VS
Когда они НЕ МОГУТ .


Они могут вас спасти, если:

• У вас неплохая базовая гармония (хорошие глаза, тон кожи, волосы, нет выраженной асимметрии).
• Главная причина неудачи – рецессия костной ткани и рост костей вниз.
• Вы обращаетесь к хирургу высшего уровня, который правильно планирует операцию по закрытию шейного отдела позвоночника (а не просто "продвигает все вперед").
• Вы соглашаетесь на отек в течение 12-18 месяцев и возможные повторные операции.

Они НЕ СМОЖЮТ вас спасти, если:

• Ваши пропорции лица в лобной области нарушены (узкое лицо, плохое соотношение ширины и высоты лица, слабое зрение) — бимаксиллярная пластика/имплантаты не смогут волшебным образом гармонично расширить все пропорции.
• Вы ожидаете превратиться из настоящего недочеловека в 1% лучших — кости двигаются, но мягкие ткани, качество кожи и генетика в целом по-прежнему имеют значение.
• Неправильное планирование: слишком сильный наклон против часовой стрелки = короткая нижняя треть тела + неестественный наклон; неправильный размер имплантата = пластиковый вид.
• Если вы пренебрегаете удержанием результатов или последующим уходом, рецидив сводит на нет достигнутые результаты.
• У вас серьезные проблемы с мягкими тканями (плохие губы, обвисшая кожа, полное отсутствие мышц) — операция лишь подчеркивает их.

Spoiler: Tags

@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Сейчас пойду в душ, надеюсь, это наберет популярность и получит отклики.

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

Good post, I'll read it and tell you my opinion a little later, I love smart posts

 

[Disturbed]

Spoiler: Real advantages from implants

Good post, I'll read it and tell you my opinion a little later, I love smart posts

Thanks king

 

[JOTAROSON]

Брат , если у тебя нисходящее , впалое , длинное лицо или птичья клетка со слабой проекцией , плоская средняя часть лица , отсутствие челюстной линии и плохая нижняя треть лица — это тот случай , когда тебе действительно может стать лучше . CCW Bimax + целевые имплантаты — это ядерный вариант для увеличения жесткости .

​

CCW Rotation Bimax – Король прогресса

Что это на самом деле:
Двойная челюстно-лицевая хирургия = операция Лефорта I (верхняя челюсть) + BSSO (нижняя челюсть) . Вращение против часовой стрелки означает, что весь челюстно-нижнечелюстной комплекс поворачивается вверх и вперед, а не только прямо вперед или вниз.

[СПОЙЛЕР="Что это делает"]

• Задняя часть верхней челюсти подвергается десневой пластике (или передняя часть имплантируется).
• Подбородок (подбородочная кость) резко поднимается вверх и выдвигается вперед .
• Авторотация нижней челюсти происходит против часовой стрелки, что уменьшает вертикальный избыток, выравнивает гониальный угол и обеспечивает невероятную проекцию без удлинения лица. View attachment 4900854View attachment 4900856

[/СПОЙЛЕР]

Эстетические преимущества

Spoiler: Преимущества

• Профиль сбоку: массивный подбородок/челюсть, улучшенная поддержка губ, фиксированная впалая верхняя челюсть, более выраженная ветвь нижней челюсти. Многие парни из впалой челюсти превращаются в мужчину с выдвинутой вперед верхней челюстью.
• Изменения во фронтальной части: нижняя треть лица укорачивается (что очень хорошо, если у вас длинное лицо), углы скул опускаются и выглядят шире/квадратнее, средняя часть лица естественным образом выделяется, особенно скулы.
• Бонус для дыхательных путей: значительно улучшает дыхание (большой плюс, если вы цените хороший сон). Мнение форума и данные хирургов: именно CCW превращает «вашего рогоносца» в «вашего красавца». Линейное выдвижение подбородка само по себе часто не обеспечивает достаточной проекции из-за ограничений прикуса.View attachment 4900917View attachment 4900919

[/СПОЙЛЕР]

Ограничения

• Если ваша окклюзионная плоскость уже плоская/нейтральная → чрезмерное вращение выглядит странно (перевернутая улыбка, необычный наклон).
• Длинная средняя часть лица + отсутствие передней ретенции = еще более длинная нижняя треть лица (распространенный недостаток).
• Фронтальная гармония плохая (узкая челюсть, неудачная область вокруг глаз, плохая кожа) → профиль выглядит эффектно, но спереди все равно кажется, что что-то не так.
• Риск рецидива при недостаточной фиксации или некомпетентном хирурге (некоторые пациенты сообщают об потере 3-6 мм).
  Spoiler: Примеры

  View attachment 4900952View attachment 4900953

Имплантаты – инструменты для точной фиксации ( подглазничные края – скуловая кость + комбинированная челюсть )

Когда одной лишь системы bimax недостаточно, эти дополнительные устройства завершают начатое.​

Тип имплантата	Что это делает	Лучше всего подходит для	Можно ли спасти?	Не можете сохранить?
Подглазничное кольцо	Обеспечивает поддержку под глазами, корректирует отрицательный вектор, уменьшает носослезные борозды.	Впалая средняя часть лица + запавшие глаза	Да — мощная поддержка для глаз и выразительная проработка средней части лица.	Само по себе это не исправит челюсть или подбородок.
Скуловая / Малярная	Высокие скулы, выступающая скуловая дуга	Плоская средняя часть лица, без скул.	Да, создает хороший контраст для глаз.	Это не поможет нижней трети
Инфра-Зиго Комбо (индивидуальная инфраорбитально-малярная терапия)	Цельная пластика средней части лица + увеличение скул	Полная недостаточность средней части лица	Божественный уровень для утопленной верхней части лица	Для поддержания равновесия необходима коррекция челюсти.
Индивидуальная коррекция линии челюсти / угла + подбородка	Обхватывает всю нижнюю челюсть — углы, тело, подбородок.	Слабые гонионы, отсутствие детализации	Превращает мягкую челюсть в квадратную челюсть, как у PSL Mogger.	Если переборщить или подобрать несоответствующую ширину, это будет выглядеть странно.
Полный комплекс (инфра-зиго + линия челюсти)	Полная скелетная маскулинизация	Повсюду сильная рецессия	Спасает недочеловеков, когда бимаксиллярный доступ невозможен.	Плохой хирург = неестественный/пластиковый вид

Реальные преимущества имплантатов :



[СПОЙЛЕР="Реальные преимущества имплантатов"]

• Индивидуальный пошив (по данным КТ) = идеальная посадка, никаких догадок.
• Может выполняться автономно или после бимаксиллярного анализа для точной настройки.
• Комбинированная процедура Infra-zygo устраняет именно те участки, которые иногда остаются впалыми после процедуры bimax (под глазами и на щеках).
• Челюстные имплантаты увеличивают ширину/угол там, где одних только имплантатов против часовой стрелки недостаточно (особенно если ваши гонионы от природы узкие).View attachment 4901026

[/СПОЙЛЕР]


C C W Бимакс + Инфра - Зиго + Челюстные имплантаты


Именно это и спасает самые тяжелые случаи:

• Система Bimax CCW фиксирует фундамент (выступ и вращение).
• Инфра-зиго обеспечивает поддержку средней части лица и гармонизацию области вокруг глаз.
• Индивидуально подобранная линия подбородка подчеркивает ширину и четкость нижней трети лица.

Результаты?
От утопленной уздечки до широкой, выступающей, с выразительными глазами за один-два этапа. Много случаев имплантации в стиле Эппли + демонстрация бимаксиллярного протеза с вращением против часовой стрелки + 2-3 псли.

Когда они МОГУТ спасти вас VS
Когда они НЕ МОГУТ .


Они могут вас спасти, если:

• У вас неплохая базовая гармония (хорошие глаза, тон кожи, волосы, нет выраженной асимметрии).
• Главная причина неудачи – рецессия костной ткани и рост костей вниз.
• Вы обращаетесь к хирургу высшего уровня, который правильно планирует операцию по закрытию шейного отдела позвоночника (а не просто "продвигает все вперед").
• Вы соглашаетесь на отек в течение 12-18 месяцев и возможные повторные операции.

Они НЕ СМОЖЮТ вас спасти, если:

• Ваши пропорции лица в лобной области нарушены (узкое лицо, плохое соотношение ширины и высоты лица, слабое зрение) — бимаксиллярная пластика/имплантаты не смогут волшебным образом гармонично расширить все пропорции.
• Вы ожидаете превратиться из настоящего недочеловека в 1% лучших — кости двигаются, но мягкие ткани, качество кожи и общая генетика по-прежнему имеют значение.
• Неправильное планирование: слишком сильный наклон против часовой стрелки = короткая нижняя треть тела + неестественный наклон; неправильный размер имплантата = пластиковый вид.
• Если вы пренебрегаете удержанием результатов или последующим уходом, рецидив сводит на нет достигнутые результаты.
• У вас серьезные проблемы с мягкими тканями (плохие губы, обвисшая кожа, полное отсутствие мышц) — операция лишь подчеркивает их.

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@Whiteboard7 @DnrGriffith @inceliusndius @zakachiti @Uraniumescent

Сейчас пойду в душ, надеюсь, это наберет популярность и получит отклики.

Spoiler: Преимущества

A good post, quite interesting for users looking for hardmaxing methods. This method is essentially a complete reincarnation.

 

[Disturbed]

Spoiler: Преимущества

A good post, quite interesting for users looking for hardmaxing methods. This method is essentially a complete reincarnation.

Which is what most of us need unf

 

[JOTAROSON]

Именно это и нужно большинству из нас.

Honestly, I want to prove the opposite. That with the help of pharmacology and experimental methods, a lot can be achieved. I would only use hardmax as a last resort.

 

[Disturbed]

Honestly, I want to prove the opposite. That with the help of pharmacology and experimental methods, a lot can be achieved. I would only use hardmax as a last resort.

Wish you all the lixk

 

[Jimcel]

Thanks mirin new profile

Thank you bhai