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[Etson]

6'2.5, 179lbs.

After a few months of researching, talking to doctors, bloodtest, etc. There's no one who can fix your issues except yourself. No doctor will take you as far as you want to go.


Blood Work prior to Stack

• Testosterone: 9.9 nmol/L (285ng)
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L (~31 pg/mL)
• SHBG: 19 nmol/L
• LH: 1.8 IU/L
• Thyroid (TSH): 2.01 mIU/L
• FSH: 1.5 IU/L
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L
• Prolactin: 10.8 µg/L
• TSH: 2.01 mIU/L
• Glucose (fasted): 4.9 mmol/L
• PSA: 0.4 µg/L

CBC (blood counts)

• WBC: 6.5 × 10⁹/L
• RBC: 5.12 × 10¹²/L
• Hemoglobin: 149 g/L
• Hematocrit: 0.44 L/L
• MCV: 86 fL
• MCHC: 340 g/L
• Platelets: 236 × 10⁹/L
• Neutrophils: 4.0 × 10⁹/L
• Lymphocytes: 1.8 × 10⁹/L
• Vitamin B12: 441 pmol/L
• Albumin: 46 g/L

What I am taking to correct the issues with T, and increase muscle mass and definition

- $40 - Clomiphene Citrate 25mg EOD (Test Increase) - The goal is to peak around 800–1200+ ng/dL. My LH/FSH are low, same with my SHBG, every ng/dL of Total T becomes extra Free T which will give me far better muscle-building. Because I am coming from such low T, I am expecting+10-12 lbs lean mass, and a reduction of 10–20 lbs fat in 4–6 months.

- $40 - MK-677 15mg 50 days - This will raise natural GH + IGF-1 by 50–80% which will help with my muscle and continued leanmaxx goal.
This Pairs perfectly with Clomid’s T boost with dual anabolic pathways. Will be switching to CJC after 50 day cycle. Expecting 2-6lbs of lean mass.

- $30 L-Carinate Injections 500 mg training days + 250 mg rest - My low T migrated a lot of my fat to love handles, the 2.5-3x increase of my T will help address this but L-Car should also aid in this. For men with stubborn love handles, it's most likely a hormonal issue like it was with me. L-Car shuttles fat into mitochondria for burning. My low body-fat storage pattern (hips) responds best to this.

- $30 Finasteride 1.25mg (DHT Blocking) - DHT sucks after puberty, male alopecia runs on my fathers side, stopping anymore thinning.

- $70 Minoxidil 2mg - Increasing hair volume everywhere

- Amitriptyline 25mg - Solves chronic nausea via brain-gut connection, also puts you to sleep, and helps counter any Clomid side effects.

- ALCAR 1,500 mg oral - Helps with Mental drive + extra fat oxidation, it crosses blood-brain barrier and increase my focus/mood

- Vitamin D 5,000 IU, Magnesium 200 mg, Zinc 50 mg, Omega-3 1,200 mg - This is basic, supports my T production and anti-inflammation.

- Taurine 500 mg, HMB 1,000 mg, Beta-Carotene 50,000 IU, Vitamin C - Beta for the slight tan look, Taurine/HMB reduce soreness after workouts.

Will post results in 4-6 months. I've dealt with a stubborn family doctor who refused to fix my T, and an insane expensive private health clinic that wanted to charge me $400/month for Clomid and an AI I didn't even need. If results are not what I want, I will then consider Anavar, seems to be the safest oral anabolic steroid. It'll add around 4-8lbs in 6-8 weeks at al ow dosage, there's no water bloat which is nice, and it only has mild T suppression of 20-40% and no Estrogenic side effects because there is no aromatization.

 

[hej1377]

Just take test, serms dont do enough and tiure still on the endocrine cycle

$40 - MK-677 15mg 50 days - This will raise natural GH + IGF-1 by 50–80% which will help with my muscle and continued leanmaxx goal.
This Pairs perfectly with Clomid’s T boost with dual anabolic pathways. Will be switching to CJC after 50 day cycle. Expecting 2-6lbs of lean mass.

Wont so mcuh but fine if you want some more hunger and slightly better recovery i guess

$30 L-Carinate Injections 500 mg training days + 250 mg rest - My low T migrated a lot of my fat to love handles, the 2.5-3x increase of my T will help address this but L-Car should also aid in this. For men with stubborn love handles, it's most likely a hormonal issue like it was with me. L-Car shuttles fat into mitochondria for burning. My low body-fat storage pattern (hips) responds best to this.

No it did not you just got fat, get aqualyx if leanmaxxing doesnt do enough for you or you want them to be giga small

$30 Finasteride 1.25mg (DHT Blocking) - DHT sucks after puberty, male alopecia runs on my fathers side, stopping anymore thinning.

Switch to dut

 

[CertifiedGoy]

How tf is your test only 285. You need to fix your shitty lifestyle

 

[wtn702]

enclo is shit bro hop on real test

 

[alphamale82]

testosterone is cheap and easy to get dude

 

[Etson]

How tf is your test only 285. You need to fix your shitty lifestyle

I work with people in Europe and Asia, my sleep schedule cannot change.

 

[Etson]

enclo is shit bro hop on real test

I'd rather not have to hop on Test if Clomid responds well.

Clomid Raises natural T to 800–1,300 ng/dL in 70–80% of young hypo men, which is borderline supraphysiological. It makes zero sense to go straight to exogenesis route without first running a well studied and tested route of Endo or Clomid.

 

[Etson]

testosterone is cheap and easy to get dude

It's actually not if you want to maintain fertility and bring on hCG, which is expensive. The studies on both clomid and endoclo are quite numerous for all ages of men, and on the few young men studies we have they have the similar results to a TRT dosage.

Again, not against injecting T, but I'd rather not have the pin schedule, the E Side effects, and the infertility when I am already in the perfect spot for a high responder on Clomid.

I am jumping from 285ng. The lower you start, the bigger the jump.

 

[Etson]

Just take test, serms dont do enough and tiure still on the endocrine cycle

Why instantly hop on T when I, a 22-year-old secondary hypo with LH/FSH 1.8/1.5 and SHBG 19 can achieve upwards of 1000-1300ng on 25 mg Clomid daily? Seems a bit silly.

Wont so mcuh but fine if you want some more hunger and slightly better recovery i guess

Well 15 mg MK-677 is around+60–80 % IGF-1 for 7 straight weeks. This can roughly result in 2-4 lbs extra lean mass.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-149-9-200811040-00003

This was on obese men, but they had significantly increased fat-free mass.

But you are right, it's really minimal and I'll probably switch it out, what do you suggest? I considered CJC+Ipam but there's not much info on that one.

No it did not you just got fat,

Come on now, hormonal fat patterning is very much real. Tell that to every single guy who had 250 ng/dL, gyno-prone fat distribution, and watched the love handles melt the second T went from 280ng to 900ng. We'll come back here in a few months and we will see what happens then

Get aqualyx if leanmaxxing doesnt do enough for you or you want them to be giga small

Aqualyx is a $600 and it doesn't fix the main issue. I want to tackle the actual hormone problem which is permanent.

Switch to dut

1.25 mg finasteride already nukes scalp DHT by 65–70 %. Not worth it unless fin fails after 12–18 months.

 

[hej1377]

Why instantly hop on T when I, a 22-year-old secondary hypo with LH/FSH 1.8/1.5 and SHBG 19 can achieve upwards of 1000-1300ng on 25 mg Clomid daily? Seems a bit silly.

500 test will get you around 3k ish, they are objectively worse as you are also on the bullshit endocrine cycle

Well 15 mg MK-677 is around+60–80 % IGF-1 for 7 straight weeks. This can roughly result in 2-4 lbs extra lean mass.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-149-9-200811040-00003
This was on obese men, but they had significantly increased fat-free mass.

But you are right, it's really minimal and I'll probably switch it out, what do you suggest? I considered CJC+Ipam but there's not much info on that one.

They didnt seem to even have a way in the study to do minus the bloat while measuring

Come on now, hormonal fat patterning is very much real. Tell that to every single guy who had 250 ng/dL, gyno-prone fat distribution, and watched the love handles melt the second T went from 280ng to 900ng. We'll come back here in a few months and we will see what happens then

Gynonis hormonal, fat distrobution is not yiu genetics wont change

Aqualyx is a $600 and it doesn't fix the main issue. I want to tackle the actual hormone problem which is permanent.

Its like 50 bucks for a 10×8ml

1.25 mg finasteride already nukes scalp DHT by 65–70 %. Not worth it unless fin fails after 12–18 months.

The less dht the better, 2,5mg dut nlocks 80

 

[MindOfBeni]

just inject the test

 

[Etson]

just inject the test

I am later this week lol, 350mg of T and 25mg of Anavar

 

[Etson]

Began 300mg of T for 8 weeks and 33mg of Anavar for 5 weeks, will post results.

300mg, 150mg twice a week (60 units)

So far, noticeable strength increase so far and MK677 has given me strength gains that I have recorded, more energy, better sleep, and better recovery. I was able to add more sets to my workouts and heavier weights.


First T injection was rough, lots of bubbles I had to get out went through 5-6 needles, but finally got it. IF anyone knows the meta technique let me know, I eventually just did it VERY slow which gave me no large bubbles.

Post-Injection pain is there, slightly red (I did SubQ into right side of belly button area, alcohol wiped and dried) and still hurts 24 hours after but this is expected for first injection.

 

[Etson]

 

[Etson]

Just take test, serms dont do enough and tiure still on the endocrine cycle

Wont so mcuh but fine if you want some more hunger and slightly better recovery i guess

No it did not you just got fat, get aqualyx if leanmaxxing doesnt do enough for you or you want them to be giga small

Switch to dut

You were right btw, Im on Test now lol. SERM's take too long.

Although I have a lot of clomid and there's small clinical evidence and anecdotes to running 25mg EOD while on cycle, then 50mg EOD as PCT to make the drop off not so brutal.

 

[BlondeVoid]

6'2.5, 179lbs.

After a few months of researching, talking to doctors, bloodtest, etc. There's no one who can fix your issues except yourself. No doctor will take you as far as you want to go.


Blood Work prior to Stack

• Testosterone: 9.9 nmol/L (285ng)
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L (~31 pg/mL)
• SHBG: 19 nmol/L
• LH: 1.8 IU/L
• Thyroid (TSH): 2.01 mIU/L
• FSH: 1.5 IU/L
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L
• Prolactin: 10.8 µg/L
• TSH: 2.01 mIU/L
• Glucose (fasted): 4.9 mmol/L
• PSA: 0.4 µg/L

CBC (blood counts)

• WBC: 6.5 × 10⁹/L
• RBC: 5.12 × 10¹²/L
• Hemoglobin: 149 g/L
• Hematocrit: 0.44 L/L
• MCV: 86 fL
• MCHC: 340 g/L
• Platelets: 236 × 10⁹/L
• Neutrophils: 4.0 × 10⁹/L
• Lymphocytes: 1.8 × 10⁹/L
• Vitamin B12: 441 pmol/L
• Albumin: 46 g/L

What I am taking to correct the issues with T, and increase muscle mass and definition

- $40 - Clomiphene Citrate 25mg EOD (Test Increase) - The goal is to peak around 800–1200+ ng/dL. My LH/FSH are low, same with my SHBG, every ng/dL of Total T becomes extra Free T which will give me far better muscle-building. Because I am coming from such low T, I am expecting+10-12 lbs lean mass, and a reduction of 10–20 lbs fat in 4–6 months.

- $40 - MK-677 15mg 50 days - This will raise natural GH + IGF-1 by 50–80% which will help with my muscle and continued leanmaxx goal.
This Pairs perfectly with Clomid’s T boost with dual anabolic pathways. Will be switching to CJC after 50 day cycle. Expecting 2-6lbs of lean mass.

- $30 L-Carinate Injections 500 mg training days + 250 mg rest - My low T migrated a lot of my fat to love handles, the 2.5-3x increase of my T will help address this but L-Car should also aid in this. For men with stubborn love handles, it's most likely a hormonal issue like it was with me. L-Car shuttles fat into mitochondria for burning. My low body-fat storage pattern (hips) responds best to this.

- $30 Finasteride 1.25mg (DHT Blocking) - DHT sucks after puberty, male alopecia runs on my fathers side, stopping anymore thinning.

- $70 Minoxidil 2mg - Increasing hair volume everywhere

- Amitriptyline 25mg - Solves chronic nausea via brain-gut connection, also puts you to sleep, and helps counter any Clomid side effects.

- ALCAR 1,500 mg oral - Helps with Mental drive + extra fat oxidation, it crosses blood-brain barrier and increase my focus/mood

- Vitamin D 5,000 IU, Magnesium 200 mg, Zinc 50 mg, Omega-3 1,200 mg - This is basic, supports my T production and anti-inflammation.

- Taurine 500 mg, HMB 1,000 mg, Beta-Carotene 50,000 IU, Vitamin C - Beta for the slight tan look, Taurine/HMB reduce soreness after workouts.

Will post results in 4-6 months. I've dealt with a stubborn family doctor who refused to fix my T, and an insane expensive private health clinic that wanted to charge me $400/month for Clomid and an AI I didn't even need. If results are not what I want, I will then consider Anavar, seems to be the safest oral anabolic steroid. It'll add around 4-8lbs in 6-8 weeks at al ow dosage, there's no water bloat which is nice, and it only has mild T suppression of 20-40% and no Estrogenic side effects because there is no aromatization.

You don’t get very hungry on mk? I couldn’t stop eating

 

[Etson]

You don’t get very hungry on mk? I couldn’t stop eating

I've never felt that level of hunger in my life. The first day was insane.

But it's manageable for me with the diet coke method to suppress me appetite. And it gets easier as your body becomes use to the new GH and IGF levels

And honestly, I might do a tiny bit of a surplus anyways cause IM on 300mg of T and 33mg of Anavar

 

[BlondeVoid]

I've never felt that level of hunger in my life. The first day was insane.

But it's manageable for me with the diet coke method to suppress me appetite. And it gets easier as your body becomes use to the new GH and IGF levels

And honestly, I might do a tiny bit of a surplus anyways cause IM on 300mg of T and 33mg of Anavar

Yeah be careful tho, I was on mk 20 mg a day for a month and i got temporary induced insulin resistance and started shaking everytime i was at the gym and needed sugar immediately

 

[Trickery.]

Began 300mg of T for 8 weeks and 33mg of Anavar for 5 weeks, will post results.

300mg, 150mg twice a week (60 units)

So far, noticeable strength increase so far and MK677 has given me strength gains that I have recorded, more energy, better sleep, and better recovery. I was able to add more sets to my workouts and heavier weights.


First T injection was rough, lots of bubbles I had to get out went through 5-6 needles, but finally got it. IF anyone knows the meta technique let me know, I eventually just did it VERY slow which gave me no large bubbles.

Post-Injection pain is there, slightly red (I did SubQ into right side of belly button area, alcohol wiped and dried) and still hurts 24 hours after but this is expected for first injection.

Why are you injecting test subq

 

[Etson]

Why are you injecting test subq

Because God gave me free will, and because SubQ is safer, reduces muscle soreness and less T spikes, it has more stable blood levels.

 

[Etson]

Yeah be careful tho, I was on mk 20 mg a day for a month and i got temporary induced insulin resistance and started shaking everytime i was at the gym and needed sugar immediately

Yeah my grandmother has Diabetes so I am keeping an eye on it, only doing it for 50 days.

I started taking 1000mg of Berberine which helps with blood sugar levels while on MK

 

[maxx92765]

6'2.5, 179lbs.

After a few months of researching, talking to doctors, bloodtest, etc. There's no one who can fix your issues except yourself. No doctor will take you as far as you want to go.


Blood Work prior to Stack

• Testosterone: 9.9 nmol/L (285ng)
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L (~31 pg/mL)
• SHBG: 19 nmol/L
• LH: 1.8 IU/L
• Thyroid (TSH): 2.01 mIU/L
• FSH: 1.5 IU/L
• Estradiol (E2): 114 pmol/L
• Prolactin: 10.8 µg/L
• TSH: 2.01 mIU/L
• Glucose (fasted): 4.9 mmol/L
• PSA: 0.4 µg/L

CBC (blood counts)

• WBC: 6.5 × 10⁹/L
• RBC: 5.12 × 10¹²/L
• Hemoglobin: 149 g/L
• Hematocrit: 0.44 L/L
• MCV: 86 fL
• MCHC: 340 g/L
• Platelets: 236 × 10⁹/L
• Neutrophils: 4.0 × 10⁹/L
• Lymphocytes: 1.8 × 10⁹/L
• Vitamin B12: 441 pmol/L
• Albumin: 46 g/L

What I am taking to correct the issues with T, and increase muscle mass and definition

- $40 - Clomiphene Citrate 25mg EOD (Test Increase) - The goal is to peak around 800–1200+ ng/dL. My LH/FSH are low, same with my SHBG, every ng/dL of Total T becomes extra Free T which will give me far better muscle-building. Because I am coming from such low T, I am expecting+10-12 lbs lean mass, and a reduction of 10–20 lbs fat in 4–6 months.

- $40 - MK-677 15mg 50 days - This will raise natural GH + IGF-1 by 50–80% which will help with my muscle and continued leanmaxx goal.
This Pairs perfectly with Clomid’s T boost with dual anabolic pathways. Will be switching to CJC after 50 day cycle. Expecting 2-6lbs of lean mass.

- $30 L-Carinate Injections 500 mg training days + 250 mg rest - My low T migrated a lot of my fat to love handles, the 2.5-3x increase of my T will help address this but L-Car should also aid in this. For men with stubborn love handles, it's most likely a hormonal issue like it was with me. L-Car shuttles fat into mitochondria for burning. My low body-fat storage pattern (hips) responds best to this.

- $30 Finasteride 1.25mg (DHT Blocking) - DHT sucks after puberty, male alopecia runs on my fathers side, stopping anymore thinning.

- $70 Minoxidil 2mg - Increasing hair volume everywhere

- Amitriptyline 25mg - Solves chronic nausea via brain-gut connection, also puts you to sleep, and helps counter any Clomid side effects.

- ALCAR 1,500 mg oral - Helps with Mental drive + extra fat oxidation, it crosses blood-brain barrier and increase my focus/mood

- Vitamin D 5,000 IU, Magnesium 200 mg, Zinc 50 mg, Omega-3 1,200 mg - This is basic, supports my T production and anti-inflammation.

- Taurine 500 mg, HMB 1,000 mg, Beta-Carotene 50,000 IU, Vitamin C - Beta for the slight tan look, Taurine/HMB reduce soreness after workouts.

Will post results in 4-6 months. I've dealt with a stubborn family doctor who refused to fix my T, and an insane expensive private health clinic that wanted to charge me $400/month for Clomid and an AI I didn't even need. If results are not what I want, I will then consider Anavar, seems to be the safest oral anabolic steroid. It'll add around 4-8lbs in 6-8 weeks at al ow dosage, there's no water bloat which is nice, and it only has mild T suppression of 20-40% and no Estrogenic side effects because there is no aromatization.

this is deadass my exact same problem,

low test
fucked thyroid
high e2

oh brother.
we are getting on test

 

[Etson]

this is deadass my exact same problem,

low test
fucked thyroid
high e2

oh brother.
we are getting on test

Just did my first injection yesterday, got swelling (SubQ) and a lump but apparently that's normal, the needle was painless tho which was nice.

 

[maxx92765]

Just did my first injection yesterday, got swelling (SubQ) and a lump but apparently that's normal, the needle was painless tho which was nice.

why subq?

you taking test prop?

 

[Etson]

why subq?

you taking test prop?

Test Enanthate, Im taking SubQ because it works better into the fat at giving you stable T levels.

When you do IM you get T peaks which I'd like to avoid. And SubQ is safer and less painful but both are pretty safe as is as in so far as you are using proper practice with alcohol wipes.