Gear information on here is SHIT.

[user1827]

No you don't PCT after a singular cycle with a test base. You "blast" and cruise, Testosterone is a life-long commitment.
No you can't take anything for height. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX.
No you can't take anything for bone mass. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH had NO significant changes. (Note: it is POSSIBLE when inducing acromegaly but you will not only see changes in the mandible as you would want)
No growth hormone secretagogue's are not better than HGH or even compare. In studies with moderate doses of gh secretagogue's they have translated to <1iu of pharmaceutical growth hormone.
No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open. Estrogen is CRUCIAL for development notably bone mass (ironic) and brain development.
No you shouldn't start with 500 test. You should start with TRT doses to gauge your aromatization.
No you shouldn't pin testosterone once a week. You NEED to pin testosterone 3x a week MINIMUM for remotely stable levels. (2x will barely work)
No you shouldn't run Anavar. Gives minimal gains for an intense lipid profile and harsh liver strain, the whole dry effect goes away immediately off cycle.
No you shouldn't run SARMs. HORRIBLE lipid/liver to gains tradeoff. There may be upcoming exceptions, LGD4 COULD be solid.
No you won't go infertile from test. 99% (not an actual measure) of people will be able to use HCG or other fertility boosting peptides to maintain or bring back fertility while staying on test.

Debatable: EQ/Primo/Mast is better than a AI. AI's induce extra cardiovascular strain for no extra benefit.


Hopefully this covers some of the common misconceptions or propaganda pushed by these peptide brands. Always do your OWN research before taking something.

Questions? Critiques?
Don't just ask for my citations, cite one that would oppose.

 

[Orka]

No you don't PCT after a singular cycle with a test base. You "blast" and cruise, Testosterone is a life-long commitment.
No you can't take anything for height. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX.
No you can't take anything for bone mass. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH had NO significant changes. (Note: it is POSSIBLE when inducing acromegaly but you will not only see changes in the mandible as you would want)
No growth hormone secretagogue's are not better than HGH or even compare. In studies with moderate doses of gh secretagogue's they have translated to <1iu of pharmaceutical growth hormone.
No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open. Estrogen is CRUCIAL for development notably bone mass (ironic) and brain development.
No you shouldn't start with 500 test. You should start with TRT doses to gauge your aromatization.
No you shouldn't pin testosterone once a week. You NEED to pin testosterone 3x a week MINIMUM for remotely stable levels. (2x will barely work)
No you shouldn't run Anavar. Gives minimal gains for an intense lipid profile and harsh liver strain, the whole dry effect goes away immediately off cycle.
No you shouldn't run SARMs. HORRIBLE lipid/liver to gains tradeoff. There may be upcoming exceptions, LGD4 COULD be solid.
No you won't go infertile from test. 99% (not an actual measure) of people will be able to use HCG or other fertility boosting peptides to maintain or bring back fertility while staying on test.

Debatable: EQ/Primo/Mast is better than a AI. AI's induce extra cardiovascular strain for no extra benefit.


Hopefully this covers some of the common misconceptions or propaganda pushed by these peptide brands. Always do your OWN research before taking something.

Questions? Critiques?
Don't just ask for my citations, cite one that would oppose.

.com for ratings (women there)
.org for for surgical or cosmetic procedure advice
mesorx for roiding advice
/offtopic for shitposting

and life is complete.

 

[Rothschild]

high iq

 

[Rothschild]

.com for ratings (women there)
.org for for surgical or cosmetic procedure advice
mesorx for roiding advice
/offtopic for shitposting

and life is complete.

this is actually rlly smart tbh maybe .com isnt useless at all

 

[RetaRetaReta]

No you can't take anything for height. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX.

2-5cm is 0.8-2 inches and this is a mean. Some people will be better responders and perhaps grow even 4 inches or even higher.

Besides 2 inches is not a joke. That's 5'8 -> 5'10 or 6'0 -> 6'2.

Different lifes

 

[Grievous]

Good thread
Most of it is things greys say tho

 

[RetaRetaReta]

.com for ratings (women there)
.org for for surgical or cosmetic procedure advice
mesorx for roiding advice
/offtopic for shitposting

and life is complete.

You have to be selective with the advice you take on Meso-rx. Because they are all boomer roiders without looks in mind. These guys are dumbasses with body dysmorphia some of them are like 220 lbs lean and still blasting steroids at 40 years old with no hair. Many of them have genuine mental illness

 

[user1827]

2-5cm is 0.8-2 inches and this is a mean. Some people will be better responders and perhaps grow even 4 inches or even higher.

Besides 2 inches is not a joke. That's 5'8 -> 5'10 or 6'0 -> 6'2.

Different lifes

Good point but my main argument is you should not take it EXPECTING height. 2 Inches seems to be on the much better end, more inches seems like a stretch especially 4 inches. I'll see if I can find a more accurate mean but it does not seem like it would be 2 inches.

 

[Zagro]

No you don't PCT after a singular cycle with a test base. You "blast" and cruise, Testosterone is a life-long commitment.
No you can't take anything for height. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX.
No you can't take anything for bone mass. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH had NO significant changes. (Note: it is POSSIBLE when inducing acromegaly but you will not only see changes in the mandible as you would want)
No growth hormone secretagogue's are not better than HGH or even compare. In studies with moderate doses of gh secretagogue's they have translated to <1iu of pharmaceutical growth hormone.
No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open. Estrogen is CRUCIAL for development notably bone mass (ironic) and brain development.
No you shouldn't start with 500 test. You should start with TRT doses to gauge your aromatization.
No you shouldn't pin testosterone once a week. You NEED to pin testosterone 3x a week MINIMUM for remotely stable levels. (2x will barely work)
No you shouldn't run Anavar. Gives minimal gains for an intense lipid profile and harsh liver strain, the whole dry effect goes away immediately off cycle.
No you shouldn't run SARMs. HORRIBLE lipid/liver to gains tradeoff. There may be upcoming exceptions, LGD4 COULD be solid.
No you won't go infertile from test. 99% (not an actual measure) of people will be able to use HCG or other fertility boosting peptides to maintain or bring back fertility while staying on test.

Debatable: EQ/Primo/Mast is better than a AI. AI's induce extra cardiovascular strain for no extra benefit.


Hopefully this covers some of the common misconceptions or propaganda pushed by these peptide brands. Always do your OWN research before taking something.

Questions? Critiques?
Don't just ask for my citations, cite one that would oppose.

You contribute to the gear info being shit

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Most the roiding info i’ve heard here is complete shit, including a lot of yours from what I’ve come across in random threads.

This thread seems ok for the most part.

No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open.

You use a non steroidal AI.

No you can't take anything for height. In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX.

Worth trying if you are young enough.

No you shouldn't start with 500 test.

Yes, yes you should. Titrating is a fucking meme. I can guarantee 99% of people don’t need any AI on 500mg Test if they are pinning frequently enough (I didn’t even need any on a gram a week). You should have appropriate ancillaries to deal with any potential sides anyway.

Debatable: EQ/Primo/Mast is better than a AI

Only correct on the case of boldenone.

No you don't PCT after a singular cycle with a test base. You "blast" and cruise, Testosterone is a life-long commitment.

B&C is ideal, not mandatory. Restoring endogenous production isn’t an issue. + PCT is a meme even if you are coming off to not go back on. HCG on cycle, that’s it.

mesorx for roiding advice

Meso is decent for sources, nothing else. Just a bunch of ChatGPT regurgitating retards.

 

[hej1377]

.com for ratings (women there)
.org for for surgical or cosmetic procedure advice
mesorx for roiding advice
/offtopic for shitposting

and life is complete.

I love mesorx but theres just so many "alpha" idiots

 

[yannis]

Completely agree. I’m on 125 test, 300 tren rn.

 

[user1827]

You contribute to the gear info being shit

Pick a single part from it.

 

[user1827]

Most the roiding info i’ve heard here is complete shit, including a lot of yours from what I’ve come across in random threads.

This thread seems ok for the most part.


You use a non steroidal AI.


Worth trying if you are young enough.


Yes, yes you should. Titrating is a fucking meme. I can guarantee 99% of people don’t need any AI on 500mg Test if they are pinning frequently enough (I didn’t even need any on a gram a week). You should have appropriate ancillaries to deal with any potential sides anyway.


Only correct on the case of boldenone.


B&C is ideal, not mandatory. Restoring endogenous production isn’t an issue. + PCT is a meme even if you are coming off to not go back on. HCG on cycle, that’s it.


Meso is decent for sources, nothing else. Just a bunch of ChatGPT regurgitating retards.

Not sure why I said primo but no 500 test is not a good idea or possibly the max if you want to use your androgen receptors optimally and most people probably will need an AI.

B&C is also completely ideal when your baseline natural production will suffer with each PCT.

 

[Zagro]

Pick a single part from it.

“No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open.” Just rape your growth on roids without aromatase inhibitors theory + “Estrogen is CRUCIAL for development notably bone mass” Yes bro and its also the main and only thing that fully ossifies the epiphyseal growth plates you can arguably blast whatever you’d want with just any aromatase inhibitor without prematurely fusing your plates (assuming they’re open in the first place), and estrogen is not crucial for development only nuking it will be detrimental as in that case you wouldn’t even grow.

But this one in particular is funnier “No you can't take anything for height” and then in the next sentence you go on and say “In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX” 2-5 cms of growth is nothing for you? It’s only from rhGH aswell there are many things that synergise with this.

Theres a few more like beginning with TRT to gauge your aromatisation but i don’t see the need on doing TRT here as you can also adjust the dosage of aromatase inhibitors on any other dose of test to your aromatisation, why would you be on TRT in particular for this? Or do you mean just a dose where you can tolerate the aromatisation?

These are some.

 

[user1827]

“No you shouldn't inhibit estrogen to keep growth plates open.” Just rape your growth on roids without aromatase inhibitors theory + “Estrogen is CRUCIAL for development notably bone mass” Yes bro and its also the main and only thing that fully ossifies the epiphyseal growth plates you can arguably blast whatever you’d want with just any aromatase inhibitor without prematurely fusing your plates (assuming they’re open in the first place), and estrogen is not crucial for development only nuking it will be detrimental as in that case you wouldn’t even grow.

But this one in particular is funnier “No you can't take anything for height” and then in the next sentence you go on and say “In studies non-gh deficient adolescents taking HGH grew roughly 2-5cm MAX” 2-5 cms of growth is nothing for you? It’s only from rhGH aswell there are many things that synergise with this.

Theres a few more like beginning with TRT to gauge your aromatisation but i don’t see the need on doing TRT here as you can also adjust the dosage of aromatase inhibitors on any other dose of test to your aromatisation, why would you be on TRT in particular for this? Or do you mean just a dose where you can tolerate the aromatisation?

These are some.

1. So this is just saying if your estrogen is too high, in that case you can’t just take an AI for your growth plates.
2. It’s not reliable or significantly proven but it’s worthy to note.
3. Starting low then bumping up so you know where your aromatizing too much.

On my phone otherwise I’d expand. Tell me if I’m misinterpreting the first part.

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Yea regarding health and PEDs forums are bottom of the barrel lol, theres better resources that this.

This forum is good for combat the aging sides of roids though.

 

[Zagro]

1. So this is just saying if your estrogen is too high, in that case you can’t just take an AI for your growth plates.

Let me rephrase, estrogen causes premature fusion, using anything that aromatises or even rhGH which slightly and indirectly does will cause premature fusion which will shorten your final adult height. Not using aromatase inhibitors and aromatising compounds is basically nerfing yourself + the increased IGF-1 hypertrophies the chondrocytes so having high e2 whilst having chondrocytes ready to go into apoptosis quicker is basically idiotic.

2. It’s not reliable or significantly proven but it’s worthy to note.

Thats the information you provided by the way i didn’t claim that it grows adolescents 2-5cm but generally somewhere near 3cm is possible for most, and I’d say theres enough evidence. Keep in mind this is only a single compound think of many other things that synergise with this and could theoretically increase the height gain.

3. Starting low then bumping up so you know where your aromatizing too much.

Oh alright i understood that part wrong, so basically upping your dose to an amount where you can tolerate the aromatisation and to ensure you know where that limit is but this changes with your dosing frequency and ester too, you can minimise it

 

[user1827]

Let me rephrase, estrogen causes premature fusion, using anything that aromatises or even rhGH which slightly and indirectly does will cause premature fusion which will shorten your final adult height. Not using aromatase inhibitors and aromatising compounds is basically nerfing yourself + the increased IGF-1 hypertrophies the chondrocytes so having high e2 whilst having chondrocytes ready to go into apoptosis quicker is basically idiotic.


Thats the information you provided by the way i didn’t claim that it grows adolescents 2-5cm but generally somewhere near 3cm is possible for most, and I’d say theres enough evidence. Keep in mind this is only a single compound think of many other things that synergise with this and could theoretically increase the height gain.


Oh alright i understood that part wrong, so basically upping your dose to an amount where you can tolerate the aromatisation and to ensure you know where that limit is but this changes with your dosing frequency and ester too, you can minimise it

1. I was talking about AI’s alone, not alongside aromatizing compounds.
2. I said it’s worthy to note. There’s evidence it can occur but not enough to say everyone will gain height.

 

[Zagro]

1. I was talking about AI’s alone, not alongside aromatizing compounds.
2. I said it’s worthy to note. There’s evidence it can occur but not enough to say everyone will gain height.

Low dosing aromatase inhibitors even without aromatising compounds is ideal but depends on your baseline e2 levels although it will be fine for most, estrogen isn’t really crucial as long as you don’t nuke it keeping it low is more beneficial bone formation wise

If you have open growth plates theres a high chance that longitudinal growth could occur