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I've seen thousands of people saying "Muh, this or that feature is genetic, cope" and mostly they are wrong so today we will clasify body features into three cathegories:
- Genetic: aka, 100% unchangable, and if it can change then the change is beyond our control.
- Epigenetic: Limited by genetic material but flexible for changes to varying degrees within that genetic framework.
- Envioremental: Kind of limited by genetic material but mostly dependant on yourself, and mostly changeable.
Also, please note that when I say "changeable" I mean, naturally changeable. We will not account fraudmaxxing and surgery, fillers, botox, in this post.
We will also later discuss how each feature can be changed and during what age periods. Let's begin.
HIGHER THIRD OF THE FACE:
- Hair colour:
Genetic, may change with age but you won't go from dark hair to blond hair.
- Hair texture:
Epigenetic, as stress levels and hormones play a role in the volume and texture patterns, although they won't turn straight hair into curly hair.
- Hairline:
Genetic. Supplements aside, your balding patterns, hairline shape and so on are influenced by your genes.
- Forehead slope:
Influenced by maxillar development which is epigenetic. A slopped forehead is a sign of maxillar recession.
Prominent browridges have nothing to do with forehead slope (Look up Simon Nelsmann or Sean O'Pry for example)
Epigenetic (since your habits change the way your genetics are expressed but ultimately till your late teens, unchangable afterwards since the maxillar sutures responsible for forward growth are already closed.
- Forehead width
Partially genetic when it comes to skull shape. If you have low test your forehead will look wider in comparison to the rest of your features since yout zygos and mandible are narrow, but can be frauded with bigger zygos.
MIDFACE:
- Brow shape and tilt:
Depends on how deepset the eyes are, the prominency of the brow ridge, and the orbital shape which are epigenetic, but also depends on the muscle insertions which are genetic.
- Brow width:
Epigenetic, depends on your orbital length, and your testosterone levels.
- Midface length:
Epigenetic, depends on maxillar development.
- FWHR:
Epigenetic, depends on bonemass which depends on testosterone levels which are changeable, but the degree to which you can change them is influenced by your androgen sensitivity which is genetic.
- Face length:
Depends on chin prominence, bonemass and midface projection which are all epigenetic, therefore face length is epigenetic.
- Eye colour:
Genetic
- Eye shape:
Depends on your infraorbital development which is correlated with your maxillar development and the shape of your orbitals, which depends on your test levels. Both are epigenetic.
- Canthal tilt:
Epigenetic, depends on under-eye support, cheekbones placement and maxillary projection.
- Eyelash texture:
Partially genetic, influenced by thyroid hormones so epigenetic.
- Ear flareness and size:
Genetic.
- Cheek hollowness:
Determined by cheekbone positioning which depends on the maxilla, and the saggyness of the cheeks which depends on skin quality and swallowing habits.
- Interocular distance:
Genetic.
- Eme angle:
Genetic since it is influenced by your interpupilary distance.
- Nasal tip angle:
Genetic.
- Width of the Bony Base of the nose:
Genetic, depends on phenotype and may be slightly influenced by the position of the sphenoid and the maxillar.
- E.S ratio:
Epigenetic in regards of the width of the zygos, genetic in regards of the eye distance.
- Nose length to height:
Depends on phenotype which is genetic and maxillar development which is epigenetic.
- Nose shape:
Partially depends on genetics but mostly epigenetic, depending on maxillar development.
- Nose width:
Genetic but fraudable with wider zygos to balance it out, thus making it kind of epigenetic.
- Nose to lips ratio:
Epigenetic in regards of the lip width, which depends on your palatal width. The width of the nose is genetic.
- Nose to chin ratio:
Genetic in regards of the nose, epigenetic in regards of the chin since higher testosterone levels and a proper maxillar development lead to a more prominent chin.
LOWER THIRD:
- Neck width:
Changeable.
- Lower lip to upper lip:
Depends on maxillar projection, so epigenetic.
- Lip size:
Depends on collagen production and maxillar development, epigenetic.
- Ability to grow facial hair:
Epigenetic, depends on testosterone levels.
- Hyoid bone position:
Depends on posture and chewing habits, so changeable.
- Chin to Philtrum:
Depends on maxillar projection and testosterone levels. Epigenetic.
- Jaw shape:
Epigenetic. Depends on masseter insertions (which are genetic, but can be trained), how flared your gonions are (which are epigenetic and depend on chewing habits) and bonemass, which depends on testosterone levels.
- Jaw width:
Epigenetic, depends on bonemass and maxillar development.
- Chin prominency and size:
Bonemass and maxillar development.
- Face symmetry:
Depends on the sphenoid bone which is changeable. Although once you are done developing, it is unlikely to see major changes.
Everything linked to the maxilla can change till 15 years old, after which it is less likely to see structural changes.
Everything linked to bone width can change up to ~22 years old, after which it is unlikely to see bone widening.
Everything linked to bone length can change till ~18 years old, after which it is unlikely to see significant bone lengthening (with the exception of clavicle length which can change slightly)
Bone density increases till 30 years old.
All the other sutures fuse between 20 and 50 years old, some others dont fuse at all so it is not impossible to change some things.
BODY:
- Somatype:
Almost completely genetic but depends on your childhood habits and the dominance of the Parasympathethic or Autonomic Nervous system which is regulated through stress.
- Skeletal frame:
Depends on bone width which depends on your somatype and your testosterone levels, and on bone length which is genetic.
- Height:
Almost completely genetic, depends on some habits like proper nutrition and sleeping.
- Muscle insertions:
Genetic.
- Potential muscle mass and speed with which you build it:
Depends on somatype, skeletal frame and metabolism which is genetic.
- Physique:
Changeable, within your genetic framework.
- Skin quality:
Depends on gut health, collagen production, but completely changeable.
- Physique symmetry:
Mostly genetic, but improper training can lead to assymetry.
- Body fat percentage:
Epigenetic. Largely changeable but depends on your somatype and metabolism.
- Fat distribution:
Epigenetic. Influenced by habits and somatype, but not completely unchangeable.
- Shlong size:
Genetic.
- Shlong curvature:
Genetic.
- Schlong to ball size ratio:
Genetic, although ball size is influenced by testosterone levels.
- Schlong width to length ratio:
Genetic.
- Balls pounds per inch ratio:
Genetic.
- Cumblast potence and volume:
Epigenetic, fixable through higher amounts of testosterone.
- Voice depth:
Depends on the size of the larynge and testosterone levels. Epigenetic.
So to sum up:
Heightpill: Mostly genetic.
Facepill: Mostly epigenetic.
Bodypill: Mostly epigenetic.
Dihpill: Almost completely genetic.
Voicepill: Epigenetic.
And this is, I think, a complete guide to which features of your body are changeable and to what degree.
- Genetic: aka, 100% unchangable, and if it can change then the change is beyond our control.
- Epigenetic: Limited by genetic material but flexible for changes to varying degrees within that genetic framework.
- Envioremental: Kind of limited by genetic material but mostly dependant on yourself, and mostly changeable.
Also, please note that when I say "changeable" I mean, naturally changeable. We will not account fraudmaxxing and surgery, fillers, botox, in this post.
We will also later discuss how each feature can be changed and during what age periods. Let's begin.
HIGHER THIRD OF THE FACE:
- Hair colour:
Genetic, may change with age but you won't go from dark hair to blond hair.
- Hair texture:
Epigenetic, as stress levels and hormones play a role in the volume and texture patterns, although they won't turn straight hair into curly hair.
- Hairline:
Genetic. Supplements aside, your balding patterns, hairline shape and so on are influenced by your genes.
- Forehead slope:
Influenced by maxillar development which is epigenetic. A slopped forehead is a sign of maxillar recession.
Prominent browridges have nothing to do with forehead slope (Look up Simon Nelsmann or Sean O'Pry for example)
Epigenetic (since your habits change the way your genetics are expressed but ultimately till your late teens, unchangable afterwards since the maxillar sutures responsible for forward growth are already closed.
- Forehead width
Partially genetic when it comes to skull shape. If you have low test your forehead will look wider in comparison to the rest of your features since yout zygos and mandible are narrow, but can be frauded with bigger zygos.
MIDFACE:
- Brow shape and tilt:
Depends on how deepset the eyes are, the prominency of the brow ridge, and the orbital shape which are epigenetic, but also depends on the muscle insertions which are genetic.
- Brow width:
Epigenetic, depends on your orbital length, and your testosterone levels.
- Midface length:
Epigenetic, depends on maxillar development.
- FWHR:
Epigenetic, depends on bonemass which depends on testosterone levels which are changeable, but the degree to which you can change them is influenced by your androgen sensitivity which is genetic.
- Face length:
Depends on chin prominence, bonemass and midface projection which are all epigenetic, therefore face length is epigenetic.
- Eye colour:
Genetic
- Eye shape:
Depends on your infraorbital development which is correlated with your maxillar development and the shape of your orbitals, which depends on your test levels. Both are epigenetic.
- Canthal tilt:
Epigenetic, depends on under-eye support, cheekbones placement and maxillary projection.
- Eyelash texture:
Partially genetic, influenced by thyroid hormones so epigenetic.
- Ear flareness and size:
Genetic.
- Cheek hollowness:
Determined by cheekbone positioning which depends on the maxilla, and the saggyness of the cheeks which depends on skin quality and swallowing habits.
- Interocular distance:
Genetic.
- Eme angle:
Genetic since it is influenced by your interpupilary distance.
- Nasal tip angle:
Genetic.
- Width of the Bony Base of the nose:
Genetic, depends on phenotype and may be slightly influenced by the position of the sphenoid and the maxillar.
- E.S ratio:
Epigenetic in regards of the width of the zygos, genetic in regards of the eye distance.
- Nose length to height:
Depends on phenotype which is genetic and maxillar development which is epigenetic.
- Nose shape:
Partially depends on genetics but mostly epigenetic, depending on maxillar development.
- Nose width:
Genetic but fraudable with wider zygos to balance it out, thus making it kind of epigenetic.
- Nose to lips ratio:
Epigenetic in regards of the lip width, which depends on your palatal width. The width of the nose is genetic.
- Nose to chin ratio:
Genetic in regards of the nose, epigenetic in regards of the chin since higher testosterone levels and a proper maxillar development lead to a more prominent chin.
LOWER THIRD:
- Neck width:
Changeable.
- Lower lip to upper lip:
Depends on maxillar projection, so epigenetic.
- Lip size:
Depends on collagen production and maxillar development, epigenetic.
- Ability to grow facial hair:
Epigenetic, depends on testosterone levels.
- Hyoid bone position:
Depends on posture and chewing habits, so changeable.
- Chin to Philtrum:
Depends on maxillar projection and testosterone levels. Epigenetic.
- Jaw shape:
Epigenetic. Depends on masseter insertions (which are genetic, but can be trained), how flared your gonions are (which are epigenetic and depend on chewing habits) and bonemass, which depends on testosterone levels.
- Jaw width:
Epigenetic, depends on bonemass and maxillar development.
- Chin prominency and size:
Bonemass and maxillar development.
- Face symmetry:
Depends on the sphenoid bone which is changeable. Although once you are done developing, it is unlikely to see major changes.
Everything linked to the maxilla can change till 15 years old, after which it is less likely to see structural changes.
Everything linked to bone width can change up to ~22 years old, after which it is unlikely to see bone widening.
Everything linked to bone length can change till ~18 years old, after which it is unlikely to see significant bone lengthening (with the exception of clavicle length which can change slightly)
Bone density increases till 30 years old.
All the other sutures fuse between 20 and 50 years old, some others dont fuse at all so it is not impossible to change some things.
BODY:
- Somatype:
Almost completely genetic but depends on your childhood habits and the dominance of the Parasympathethic or Autonomic Nervous system which is regulated through stress.
- Skeletal frame:
Depends on bone width which depends on your somatype and your testosterone levels, and on bone length which is genetic.
- Height:
Almost completely genetic, depends on some habits like proper nutrition and sleeping.
- Muscle insertions:
Genetic.
- Potential muscle mass and speed with which you build it:
Depends on somatype, skeletal frame and metabolism which is genetic.
- Physique:
Changeable, within your genetic framework.
- Skin quality:
Depends on gut health, collagen production, but completely changeable.
- Physique symmetry:
Mostly genetic, but improper training can lead to assymetry.
- Body fat percentage:
Epigenetic. Largely changeable but depends on your somatype and metabolism.
- Fat distribution:
Epigenetic. Influenced by habits and somatype, but not completely unchangeable.
- Shlong size:
Genetic.
- Shlong curvature:
Genetic.
- Schlong to ball size ratio:
Genetic, although ball size is influenced by testosterone levels.
- Schlong width to length ratio:
Genetic.
- Balls pounds per inch ratio:
Genetic.
- Cumblast potence and volume:
Epigenetic, fixable through higher amounts of testosterone.
- Voice depth:
Depends on the size of the larynge and testosterone levels. Epigenetic.
So to sum up:
Heightpill: Mostly genetic.
Facepill: Mostly epigenetic.
Bodypill: Mostly epigenetic.
Dihpill: Almost completely genetic.
Voicepill: Epigenetic.
And this is, I think, a complete guide to which features of your body are changeable and to what degree.
