get 100 vegans and 100 carnivores and put them in a room and the Vegans will mog

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Carnivore/ high meat diets are only good when you are an adolescence because it gives you so much nutrient overflow as proteins are expensive and most people who have growth deficiencies get it from eating a 95 % carb curry diet.
but even then the balance is still. the vegans will have

- superior health markers
- better athleticism if they are doing any kind of gymcelling or sport

There's literally zero athletes of any worth who don't eat high(er) carbs.

Let that sink in. Khabib, Ronaldo, McGregor, Tyson, etc all of these niggas ate carbs. even bodybuilders eat high carb.

KETO diets were invented to make literal fat sedentary people lose weight without having to control their insulin.

 

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Put them in the octagon nigga

Average vegancuck loses to a carnivore

 

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Carnivore/ high meat diets are only good when you are an adolescence because it gives you so much nutrient overflow as proteins are expensive and most people who have growth deficiencies get it from eating a 95 % carb curry diet.
but even then the balance is still. the vegans will have

- superior health markers
- better athleticism if they are doing any kind of gymcelling or sport

There's literally zero athletes of any worth who don't eat high(er) carbs.

Let that sink in. Khabib, Ronaldo, McGregor, Tyson, etc all of these niggas ate carbs. even bodybuilders eat high carb.

KETO diets were invented to make literal fat sedentary people lose weight without having to control their insulin.

both sides are wrong

 

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Put them in the octagon nigga

Average vegancuck loses to a carnivore

I doubt it because vegans unlike Carnivores have the sentience/self awareness to see the deficiencies in their diet, and adjust it accordingly (like eating shitting pea protein and nut milks).

Find a single MMA fighter ( a very shitty uncompetitive sport), boxer or any other contact athlete that does a carnivore or keto diet

 

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It's always midgets and curries who couldn't afford any meat in their childhood and ended up with a stunted skeleton as a result who end up crusading for muh carnivore.

both sides are wrong

Vegan diet is unpractical and basically impossible to pull off for a growing person, but they are not the same. Vegans are capable of being top level athletes, bodybuilders and living a completely healthy lifestyle.

There's zero carnivores who have perfect health markers, perform anywhere close to the optimal level in terms of athletics or have top tier physiques.

Most of those carnivores make shit gains in the gym as well and just blast TRT to compensate for it.

 

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I doubt it because vegans unlike Carnivores have the sentience/self awareness to see the deficiencies in their diet, and adjust it accordingly (like eating shitting pea protein and nut milks).

Find a single MMA fighter ( a very shitty uncompetitive sport), boxer or any other contact athlete that does a carnivore or keto diet

You say vegans have the sentience to fix their diet, but most just eat pea protein and nut milk garbage that doesn’t even come close to real animal nutrition. That’s why no serious top-tier MMA or contact athlete runs full vegan or carnivore keto diets—they run balanced diets with carbs, fats, and proteins.

Look at the fighters you mentioned—Khabib, McGregor, Tyson—they all eat carbs. Hell, even bodybuilders who obsess over gains keep carbs high for energy and recovery.

Keto or carnivore is a shortcut for fat sedentary losers who want to drop weight without controlling insulin, not a performance diet.

So the idea that vegans “mog” carnivores in athleticism is just delusional wishful thinking. Put an average vegan and a carnivore in the octagon, and I’ll put my money on the guy who eats real food, not just plants and protein shakes.

 

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It's always midgets and curries who couldn't afford any meat in their childhood and ended up with a stunted skeleton as a result who end up crusading for muh carnivore.

Vegan diet is unpractical and basically impossible to pull off for a growing person, but they are not the same. Vegans are capable of being top level athletes, bodybuilders and living a completely healthy lifestyle.

There's zero carnivores who have perfect health markers, perform anywhere close to the optimal level in terms of athletics or have top tier physiques.

Most of those carnivores make shit gains in the gym as well and just blast TRT to compensate for it.

Exactly.

 

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You say vegans have the sentience to fix their diet, but most just eat pea protein and nut milk garbage that doesn’t even come close to real animal nutrition. That’s why no serious top-tier MMA or contact athlete runs full vegan or carnivore keto diets—they run balanced diets with carbs, fats, and proteins.

Look at the fighters you mentioned—Khabib, McGregor, Tyson—they all eat carbs. Hell, even bodybuilders who obsess over gains keep carbs high for energy and recovery.

Keto or carnivore is a shortcut for fat sedentary losers who want to drop weight without controlling insulin, not a performance diet.

So the idea that vegans “mog” carnivores in athleticism is just delusional wishful thinking. Put an average vegan and a carnivore in the octagon, and I’ll put my money on the guy who eats real food, not just plants and protein shakes.

There are vegans who are performing at the top of their game though, Nate Diaz is one, the best tennis player is also a vegan, Derrick Morgan in the NFL, Hell even Tom Brady did vegan for a season and was just as competitive. many guys in the NHL are also Vegans. NBA as well.

You CANT FIND ONE SINGLE CARNIVORE WHO IS COMPETING REMOTELY COMPETITIVELY

The thing is that a vegan can just take a b12 supplement and as well as iron and they will have no deficiencies. every single person who does no carb has deficiency and inability to have max motor recruitment even for basic athletic tasks, let alone sustained stamina.

Again, the problems with veganism is the impracticality of not being able to absorb high amounts of easily processed high quality protein.

There is no special nutrients from animal products you retard all of them can be found in plants

 

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There are vegans who are performing at the top of their game though, Nate Diaz is one, the best tennis player is also a vegan, Derrick Morgan in the NFL, Hell even Tom Brady did vegan for a season and was just as competitive. many guys in the NHL are also Vegans. NBA as well.

You CANT FIND ONE SINGLE CARNIVORE WHO IS COMPETING REMOTELY COMPETITIVELY

The thing is that a vegan can just take a b12 supplement and as well as iron and they will have no deficiencies. every single person who does no carb has deficiency and inability to have max motor recruitment even for basic athletic tasks, let alone sustained stamina.

Again, the problems with veganism is the impracticality of not being able to absorb high amounts of easily processed high quality protein.

There is no special nutrients from animal products you retard all of them can be found in plants

Nate Diaz and Tom Brady doing vegan for a bit doesn’t suddenly make veganism some unbeatable diet. Brady tried it for a season, not his whole career. You’re cherry-picking outliers and acting like that’s the rule.

The “best tennis player” being vegan? Name one top 5 or top 10 male player currently crushing it on a strictly vegan diet. You can’t, because they don’t exist. Same with NFL and NHL—sure, some guys try vegan, but are they the best or just making headlines?

You say carnivores can’t compete competitively—that’s bullshit. Most top athletes run balanced diets with carbs, fats, and proteins, often animal-based. Keto or zero-carb carnivore diets aren’t made for peak athleticism, but that doesn’t mean carnivores don’t perform.

B12 and iron supplements don’t fix the fact that plants lack certain nutrients and amino acid profiles animals provide naturally. The “all nutrients in plants” line is pure denialism. You can’t just pop a pill and replace everything real food does, especially for athletes needing quick recovery and max motor recruitment.

Low-carb vegans have plenty of deficiencies and stamina problems—ask any nutritionist.

Veganism can work for some, but it’s nowhere near the all-powerful diet you’re hyping. Real performance needs real nutrition, not just supplements and hope.

 

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Nate Diaz and Tom Brady doing vegan for a bit doesn’t suddenly make veganism some unbeatable diet. Brady tried it for a season, not his whole career. You’re cherry-picking outliers and acting like that’s the rule.

The “best tennis player” being vegan? Name one top 5 or top 10 male player currently crushing it on a strictly vegan diet. You can’t, because they don’t exist. Same with NFL and NHL—sure, some guys try vegan, but are they the best or just making headlines?

You say carnivores can’t compete competitively—that’s bullshit. Most top athletes run balanced diets with carbs, fats, and proteins, often animal-based. Keto or zero-carb carnivore diets aren’t made for peak athleticism, but that doesn’t mean carnivores don’t perform.

B12 and iron supplements don’t fix the fact that plants lack certain nutrients and amino acid profiles animals provide naturally. The “all nutrients in plants” line is pure denialism. You can’t just pop a pill and replace everything real food does, especially for athletes needing quick recovery and max motor recruitment.

Low-carb vegans have plenty of deficiencies and stamina problems—ask any nutritionist.

Veganism can work for some, but it’s nowhere near the all-powerful diet you’re hyping. Real performance needs real nutrition, not just supplements and hope.

Djokovic is doing vegan. Nate has been vegan for a while.

We are not talking about omnivores, I am talking about carnivores. ofc Omnivores are the best, but a vegan despite being unpractical can easily be competitive with omnivores. carnivores are not competitive AT ALL. Zero athletes dont use carbs.

And you are repeating me but failing to realize the average person who eats one of those stake n egg diets would get easily manhandled by a high carb vegan

Also every single amino acid can be found in plants.

"The “all nutrients in plants” line is pure denialism."

Find a single nutrient found in animal not found in plants. i'll wait.

The vegan diet sucks because its extremely hard to pull off, ofc athletes who need every single gram of their diet and every single rep of their training to matter aren't going to bother with such an unnecessary complication to their regime. Its still possible and vegans are not much underrepresneed in athletes ars they are in the general population

 

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Djokovic is doing vegan. Nate has been vegan for a while.

We are not talking about omnivores, I am talking about carnivores. ofc Omnivores are the best, but a vegan despite being unpractical can easily be competitive with omnivores. carnivores are not competitive AT ALL. Zero athletes dont use carbs.

And you are repeating me but failing to realize the average person who eats one of those stake n egg diets would get easily manhandled by a high carb vegan

Also every single amino acid can be found in plants.

"The “all nutrients in plants” line is pure denialism."

Find a single nutrient found in animal not found in plants. i'll wait.

The vegan diet sucks because its extremely hard to pull off, ofc athletes who need every single gram of their diet and every single rep of their training to matter aren't going to bother with such an unnecessary complication to their regime. Its still possible and vegans are not much underrepresneed in athletes ars they are in the general population

You’re cherry-picking elite outliers who have entire teams optimizing their nutrient intake down to the last gram. Yeah, Nate Diaz and Djokovic did plant-based diets — with chefs, doctors, and supplement stacks backing them. That’s not the average vegan.

Your whole point was that carnivores can’t compete, but now you’re saying omnivores are ideal and vegans “can” be competitive. So you already walked back your original claim.

The average vegan doesn’t train like Djokovic. They’re barely hitting protein minimums, and no — not all nutrients are easily replaced with plants. B12, creatine, heme iron, DHA, and even carnosine come almost exclusively from animal products. You can supplement, sure, but if your diet needs pills to function, it’s not optimal — it’s shit.

You’re right that keto/carnivore isn’t ideal for top athletes either. Nobody’s saying it is. But the average carnivore who trains and lifts will still mog the average vegan because of better protein bioavailability, more muscle mass, and higher energy levels from not having to micromanage every nutrient.

Athletes eat carbs. That’s true. But they also eat meat. Find me one elite level strength or contact athlete thriving on lentils, almond milk, and soy without animal products or a dozen supplements — and no, not one-off examples with a dietician on call.

You’re trying to win a theory debate. I’m just talking about how it plays out in practice.

 

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You’re cherry-picking elite outliers who have entire teams optimizing their nutrient intake down to the last gram. Yeah, Nate Diaz and Djokovic did plant-based diets — with chefs, doctors, and supplement stacks backing them. That’s not the average vegan.

Your whole point was that carnivores can’t compete, but now you’re saying omnivores are ideal and vegans “can” be competitive. So you already walked back your original claim.

The average vegan doesn’t train like Djokovic. They’re barely hitting protein minimums, and no — not all nutrients are easily replaced with plants. B12, creatine, heme iron, DHA, and even carnosine come almost exclusively from animal products. You can supplement, sure, but if your diet needs pills to function, it’s not optimal — it’s shit.

You’re right that keto/carnivore isn’t ideal for top athletes either. Nobody’s saying it is. But the average carnivore who trains and lifts will still mog the average vegan because of better protein bioavailability, more muscle mass, and higher energy levels from not having to micromanage every nutrient.

Athletes eat carbs. That’s true. But they also eat meat. Find me one elite level strength or contact athlete thriving on lentils, almond milk, and soy without animal products or a dozen supplements — and no, not one-off examples with a dietician on call.

You’re trying to win a theory debate. I’m just talking about how it plays out in practice.
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An omnivore is not the same as a carnivore. One exclusively eats meat or animal products while the other is diet agnostic

Well we both have different experiences. Most of the vegans I've met have been health freaks and like I said understand the limitations of their diet and supplement accordingly. If a carnivore had such self awareness and honesty they would not be carnivores.

Creatine can be synthesized by your body at any rate, and even carnivores don't get sufficient amounts for sufficient gains

The average keto/carnivore is a recovering food addict fatcel.

The vegan mogs the carnivore simply because its not hard to eat pea protein and take b12. gymcelling without carbs is retarded. average carnivore might as well see carbs as steroids because they would make that big of a difference if they included them in ther diet.

Carnivores are low fighting success and only the vegans of poverty are comparible

 

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How ketos are gonna be athletes with minimal carbs is beyond me.

Every single professional track and field athlete loads on carbs before their events

 

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An omnivore is not the same as a carnivore. One exclusively eats meat or animal products while the other is diet agnostic

Well we both have different experiences. Most of the vegans I've met have been health freaks and like I said understand the limitations of their diet and supplement accordingly. If a carnivore had such self awareness and honesty they would not be carnivores.

Creatine can be synthesized by your body at any rate, and even carnivores don't get sufficient amounts for sufficient gains

The average keto/carnivore is a recovering food addict fatcel.

The vegan mogs the carnivore simply because its not hard to eat pea protein and take b12. gymcelling without carbs is retarded. average carnivore might as well see carbs as steroids because they would make that big of a difference if they included them in ther diet.

Carnivores are low fighting success and only the vegans of poverty are comparible

You keep missing the point. I'm not talking about elite vegan athletes with dietitians — I'm talking about the average vegan vs the average carnivore.

Most vegans don’t supplement right. They under-eat protein, their iron and B12 are low, and they end up skinnyfat or tired all the time. Just because you met some health freak vegans doesn’t mean that’s the norm. The average carnivore at least hits protein, fats, and calories without trying.

You say the body makes creatine, but vegans have lower creatine stores. That’s not opinion — it’s in studies. Their bodies can’t make enough for max performance, which is why creatine is one of the first things they’re told to take.

Keto guys might be ex-fatcels but they still lift more than the average plantcel. Most vegan gymcels either stall, injure themselves, or spin their wheels because they can’t get enough high-quality protein or micronutrients unless they overcomplicate everything.

And no, drinking pea sludge and taking B12 isn’t some big-brain move — it’s basic survival. Carnivores aren’t perfect, but at least they’re not malnourished by default.

If you think the average vegan mogs a carnivore, go to a gym and see for yourself. The steak guy isn’t losing to 120 LBS Mr. Tofu and nut milk.

 

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You keep missing the point. I'm not talking about elite vegan athletes with dietitians — I'm talking about the average vegan vs the average carnivore.

Most vegans don’t supplement right. They under-eat protein, their iron and B12 are low, and they end up skinnyfat or tired all the time. Just because you met some health freak vegans doesn’t mean that’s the norm. The average carnivore at least hits protein, fats, and calories without trying.

You say the body makes creatine, but vegans have lower creatine stores. That’s not opinion — it’s in studies. Their bodies can’t make enough for max performance, which is why creatine is one of the first things they’re told to take.

Keto guys might be ex-fatcels but they still lift more than the average plantcel. Most vegan gymcels either stall, injure themselves, or spin their wheels because they can’t get enough high-quality protein or micronutrients unless they overcomplicate everything.

And no, drinking pea sludge and taking B12 isn’t some big-brain move — it’s basic survival. Carnivores aren’t perfect, but at least they’re not malnourished by default.

If you think the average vegan mogs a carnivore, go to a gym and see for yourself. The steak guy isn’t losing to 120 LBS Mr. Tofu and nut milk.

Having low iron, creatine and b12 is still significantly less of a handicap than not having peak motor recruitment and not having full glycogen stores 24/7. Protein obsession is also retarded asf and outside of the west there's a shit ton of proteins you can eat that are cheap and easily available, like tofu, soy bean, etc. you don't even need that much.

Anyone who remotely understands nutrition enough to read labels (necessary to be a vegan) knows well enough how to get enough protein. it's not a low IQ diet where you just eat meat meat meat.

Source: I was a vegan for 2 years and Keto for 6 months. The only good thing about carnivore is that it's low IQ ogga bunga and its harder to get fat being in ketosis all the time

 

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How ketos are gonna be athletes with minimal carbs is beyond me.

Every single professional track and field athlete loads on carbs before their events

Not even just that, they also are extremely handicapped for gymcelling. The high sentience carnivores even try to fix this by loading up on honey and raw milk, despite the fact that they are going to get fat because of the calorie content they need to load on up to just get as much carb as a cup of rice is easily 1500+ and all of the carb will be SUGAR. no starch or fiber.

It's mostly older previous fatcels who discover it at the same time they start blasting TRT and think they're a slayer.

I never met a single person who did that diet that had a remotely decent physique while young and natty

 

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CARB LOADED VEGAN MOGGER BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF A CARNIVORE. THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE FAST TWITCH HIGH MOTOR RECRUITMENT OF THE CARBS FOLLOWING THROUGH THE VEGAN'S VEINS

 

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Having low iron, creatine and b12 is still significantly less of a handicap than not having peak motor recruitment and not having full glycogen stores 24/7. Protein obsession is also retarded asf and outside of the west there's a shit ton of proteins you can eat that are cheap and easily available, like tofu, soy bean, etc. you don't even need that much.

Anyone who remotely understands nutrition enough to read labels (necessary to be a vegan) knows well enough how to get enough protein. it's not a low IQ diet where you just eat meat meat meat.

Source: I was a vegan for 2 years and Keto for 6 months. The only good thing about carnivore is that it's low IQ ogga bunga and its harder to get fat being in ketosis all the time

Bro, you’re acting like running low on iron, creatine, and B12 is some minor inconvenience. That shit nukes your recovery, energy, focus, and endurance. Low iron = shit oxygen transport. Low B12 = fatigue and mood swings. Low creatine = you’re leaving gains on the floor every session. But yeah, keep pretending being cold, tired, and foggy is better than missing out on carbs for a bit.

Protein obsession isn’t a “West thing,” it’s a lifting thing. You don’t need to be a steakhead, but if your main protein source is soy and tofu, enjoy your stalling lifts and bloated guts. Sure, technically you can hit your protein as a vegan, but it’s a damn part-time job. The average vegan isn’t balancing lysine and methionine — they’re just eating chickpeas and praying.

And come on — reading nutrition labels doesn’t make it a high IQ diet. That’s just what you tell yourself to feel superior while eating plant sludge and watching your strength plateau.

Carnivore might be “ogga bunga,” but at least it’s simple, nutrient-dense, and hard to screw up. Most vegans I’ve met couldn’t sprint, lift, or recover for shit. They eat clean but move like they’re malnourished.

You’ve done both diets, so you already know vegan feels like controlled deficiency while keto feels like running lean and clear. No need to larp like the pea protein cult is outlifting anyone.

 

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Bro, you’re acting like running low on iron, creatine, and B12 is some minor inconvenience. That shit nukes your recovery, energy, focus, and endurance. Low iron = shit oxygen transport. Low B12 = fatigue and mood swings. Low creatine = you’re leaving gains on the floor every session. But yeah, keep pretending being cold, tired, and foggy is better than missing out on carbs for a bit.

Protein obsession isn’t a “West thing,” it’s a lifting thing. You don’t need to be a steakhead, but if your main protein source is soy and tofu, enjoy your stalling lifts and bloated guts. Sure, technically you can hit your protein as a vegan, but it’s a damn part-time job. The average vegan isn’t balancing lysine and methionine — they’re just eating chickpeas and praying.

And come on — reading nutrition labels doesn’t make it a high IQ diet. That’s just what you tell yourself to feel superior while eating plant sludge and watching your strength plateau.

Carnivore might be “ogga bunga,” but at least it’s simple, nutrient-dense, and hard to screw up. Most vegans I’ve met couldn’t sprint, lift, or recover for shit. They eat clean but move like they’re malnourished.

You’ve done both diets, so you already know vegan feels like controlled deficiency while keto feels like running lean and clear. No need to larp like the pea protein cult is outlifting anyone.

Keto has some mental benefits especially if you fast with it, and if you have food addiction/low insulin sensitvity, but the athleticism is shit. Even after gaining 3kg on it I made close to zero strength gains.

Bro the micro nutrient deficiencies of no plants is 1000x worse than not having enough creatine. you will get sick often, your autosystem and cardio vascular health will be dog shit. Not to mention rip your digestion and organs. Every study every shows how shit these carnivore diets are and any ZERO NUTRITIONIST would recommend it

sources show you barely need 0.8g for 1 pound. It is an obsession to sell protein powder, unironically the average non-vegan doesn't even need to think about it unless they're extremely lean

 

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Keto has some mental benefits especially if you fast with it, and if you have food addiction/low insulin sensitvity, but the athleticism is shit. Even after gaining 3kg on it I made close to zero strength gains.

Bro the micro nutrient deficiencies of no plants is 1000x worse than not having enough creatine. you will get sick often, your autosystem and cardio vascular health will be dog shit. Not to mention rip your digestion and organs. Every study every shows how shit these carnivore diets are and any ZERO NUTRITIONIST would recommend it

sources show you barely need 0.8g for 1 pound. It is an obsession to sell protein powder, unironically the average non-vegan doesn't even need to think about it unless they're extremely lean

You talk like eating a steak turns you into a Victorian child with rickets. “Your immune system will collapse, your organs will fail, and you’ll die from looking at red meat.” Bro calm down. Carnivore isn’t a biohazard. It’s just eggs, beef, and not being bloated 24/7.

You keep flexing that “no nutritionist recommends it” line like nutritionists haven’t been L after L for decades. These are the same geniuses that told us margarine was healthier than butter and pushed 10 servings of grains like we’re all cows. Spare me the appeal to authority.

Yeah, micronutrient deficiencies can happen — on any restrictive diet. That includes veganism, which, by the way, makes you B12-deficient by default. You gotta take pills to survive. Sounds “natural.”

Your personal strength gains on keto don’t prove anything. Were you lifting heavy? Sleeping like a human? Eating enough calories to support growth? Or were you just chilling on 1200 cals and some cheese slices?

Also, the 0.8g of protein per pound thing is for sedentary couch goblins. If you touch a barbell more than once a week or care about not looking like wet laundry, that number’s a joke. Even vegan dietitians quietly tell athletes to bump it higher.

And let’s not pretend digestion on plants is heaven. Most vegans I knew spent half their day farting like a fucked up radiator or holding their stomach in public like they just took a gut punch.

You’re right about keto not being ideal for marathon runners. Cool. But most people aren’t trying to be Kipchoge — they just want to look decent shirtless and not be starving 24/7. For that, it works.

At the end of the day, if your diet needs spreadsheets, supplements, and Google alerts just to not die — it might not be the “higher IQ” choice you think it is.

 

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You talk like eating a steak turns you into a Victorian child with rickets. “Your immune system will collapse, your organs will fail, and you’ll die from looking at red meat.” Bro calm down. Carnivore isn’t a biohazard. It’s just eggs, beef, and not being bloated 24/7.

You keep flexing that “no nutritionist recommends it” line like nutritionists haven’t been L after L for decades. These are the same geniuses that told us margarine was healthier than butter and pushed 10 servings of grains like we’re all cows. Spare me the appeal to authority.

Yeah, micronutrient deficiencies can happen — on any restrictive diet. That includes veganism, which, by the way, makes you B12-deficient by default. You gotta take pills to survive. Sounds “natural.”

Your personal strength gains on keto don’t prove anything. Were you lifting heavy? Sleeping like a human? Eating enough calories to support growth? Or were you just chilling on 1200 cals and some cheese slices?

Also, the 0.8g of protein per pound thing is for sedentary couch goblins. If you touch a barbell more than once a week or care about not looking like wet laundry, that number’s a joke. Even vegan dietitians quietly tell athletes to bump it higher.

And let’s not pretend digestion on plants is heaven. Most vegans I knew spent half their day farting like a fucked up radiator or holding their stomach in public like they just took a gut punch.

You’re right about keto not being ideal for marathon runners. Cool. But most people aren’t trying to be Kipchoge — they just want to look decent shirtless and not be starving 24/7. For that, it works.

At the end of the day, if your diet needs spreadsheets, supplements, and Google alerts just to not die — it might not be the “higher IQ” choice you think it is.

Yeah you've come full circle into science denying. Retard

Should have never taken you seriously. You probably think seed oils are the devil or that your body can create vitamins and minerals from animal blood

The couch potato recommendation is even less, like 0.5-0.6g. you fell for the meme, you don't need more than 0.8g. You can easily get that by just eating higher protein carb sources and a serving of tofu and some milk of your choice.

Even rn I don't go over 150g at 200lbs

 

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Yeah you've come full circle into science denying. Retard

Should have never taken you seriously. You probably think seed oils are the devil or that your body can create vitamins and minerals from animal blood

The couch potato recommendation is even less, like 0.5-0.6g. you fell for the meme, you don't need more than 0.8g. You can easily get that by just eating higher protein carb sources and a serving of tofu and some milk of your choice.

Even rn I don't go over 150g at 200lbs

I’m not denying science, just calling out selective science and hype. If you want to talk seed oils — that’s a separate convo, but no serious nutritionist says they’re all harmless.

Your protein numbers are basic guidelines, not gospel. The 0.8g per pound is generally for sedentary people, not anyone lifting or aiming for gains. Plenty of studies show athletes benefit from 1 to 1.5g per pound depending on goals.

You say you get 150g at 200lbs — that’s 0.75g per pound. That’s fine if you’re not pushing max effort, but wouldn’t be enough for high-performance training or serious body recomposition.

Yes, tofu, milk, and carbs can help vegans hit protein, but it’s not just about grams. It’s about bioavailability, amino acid profiles, and absorption — which animal protein nails better and easier.

I’m just saying carnivore diets aren’t some apocalypse diet. They have flaws like any diet, but they can work well for certain people. Same with veganism. Neither is perfect, but blanket dismissals don’t hold up when you look at actual outcomes.

We’re talking real performance, not vegan Instagram posts or keto memes. That’s where the debate lives.

 

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I’m just saying carnivore diets aren’t some apocalypse diet. They have flaws like any diet, but they can work well for certain people. Same with veganism. Neither is perfect, but blanket dismissals don’t hold up when you look at actual outcomes.

They work good for no one but people who like eating meat all day. they serve no health benefit whatsoever and are extremely determinal to health. they are unironically only good for lazy food addicted people who are sedentary lmfao

 

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Israel is filled with vegan. The idf has vegan options as well.

 

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They work good for no one but people who like eating meat all day. they serve no health benefit whatsoever and are extremely determinal to health. they are unironically only good for lazy food addicted people who are sedentary lmfao

Your goy is showing

 

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Your goy is showing

antiscience and antisemitic

how quant

 

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They work good for no one but people who like eating meat all day. they serve no health benefit whatsoever and are extremely determinal to health. they are unironically only good for lazy food addicted people who are sedentary lmfao

I’m not denying science, just calling out selective science and hype. If you want to talk seed oils — that’s a separate convo, but no serious nutritionist says they’re all harmless.

Your protein numbers are basic guidelines, not gospel. The 0.8g per pound is generally for sedentary people, not anyone lifting or aiming for gains. Plenty of studies show athletes benefit from 1 to 1.5g per pound depending on goals.

You say you get 150g at 200lbs — that’s 0.75g per pound. That’s fine if you’re not pushing max effort, but wouldn’t be enough for high-performance training or serious body recomposition.

Yes, tofu, milk, and carbs can help vegans hit protein, but it’s not just about grams. It’s about bioavailability, amino acid profiles, and absorption — which animal protein nails better and easier.

I’m just saying carnivore diets aren’t some apocalypse diet. They have flaws like any diet, but they can work well for certain people. Same with veganism. Neither is perfect, but blanket dismissals don’t hold up when you look at actual outcomes.

We’re talking real performance, not vegan Instagram posts or keto memes. That’s where the debate lives.

Amazing debate read every word absolute Cinema

 

[Deleted member 79752]

antiscience and antisemitic

how quant

Brother, all I’m saying is the carnivore isn’t perfect, but saying it works for no one is just false. Some people with autoimmune issues, gut problems, or food sensitivities actually see real benefits from it. It’s not a magic fix or meant for everyone, but calling it useless ignores context. Just like some people thrive on vegan diets, others do better with elimination-style eating. It depends on the individual, not some blanket “this diet is bad” claim.

Also the average carnivore diet eater would rape your goy diet eater

 

[Deleted member 126320]

Brother, all I’m saying is the carnivore isn’t perfect, but saying it works for no one is just false. Some people with autoimmune issues, gut problems, or food sensitivities actually see real benefits from it. It’s not a magic fix or meant for everyone, but calling it useless ignores context. Just like some people thrive on vegan diets, others do better with elimination-style eating. It depends on the individual, not some blanket “this diet is bad” claim.

Also the average carnivore diet water would rape your goy diet eater

sure in some extreme cases yes but vegans would still kick their ass on average via the power of carbs

 

[Deleted member 79752]

sure in some extreme cases yes but vegans would still kick their ass on average via the power of carbs

I’ll believe it when I see it boyo.

You’re definitely one of the higher IQ jews on this forum — most would’ve folded.

For now we’ll agree to disagree

 

[asdvek]

vegan is no way superior to carnivore
the reason why there arent that much carnivore athletes because the jews want to support veganism
veganism, you are eating plants full of goitrogens, oxalates, you are just asking for thyroid issues, calcium deficiency, inflamamation and irritating your gut severely

 

[Deleted member 126320]

vegan is no way superior to carnivore
the reason why there arent that much carnivore athletes because the jews want to support veganism
veganism, you are eating plants full of goitrogens, oxalates, you are just asking for thyroid issues, calcium deficiency, inflamamation and irritating your gut severely

ofc jews are the reason that your diet sucks, lmfao.

humans are meant to eat carbs. carnivore is a lobbied meme to get you to spend more money on food and get cancer from the stress of having to convert fat into glucose

 

[Deleted member 126320]

high meat ≠ full carnivore.
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Average vegan btw.
Ketosis is not optimal long term, i agree. Animal based "diets" are still superiour.

vegans win because they can eat carbs

carbs = life

 

[asdvek]

ofc jews are the reason that your diet sucks, lmfao.

humans are meant to eat carbs. carnivore is a lobbied meme to get you to spend more money on food and get cancer from the stress of having to convert fat into glucose

i don't give a fuck about your carb argument

tell me how vegan is any superior to carnivore?

you literally said veganism is good faggot

vegan has ZERO MICRONUTRIENTS

 

[asdvek]

vegans win because they can eat carbs

carbs = life

retard all those athletes are on PEDs so they are not a good argument u retard

 

[Deleted member 126320]

retard all those athletes are on PEDs so they are not a good argument u retard

carnivore is linked to long term health problems and this isn't a cope

 

[Deleted member 126320]

you deny basic science as being jewish so nothing i can say about it can change your mind

 

[Deleted member 161896]

facts

 

[Deleted member 152333]

Carnivore/ high meat diets are only good when you are an adolescence because it gives you so much nutrient overflow as proteins are expensive and most people who have growth deficiencies get it from eating a 95 % carb curry diet.
but even then the balance is still. the vegans will have

- superior health markers
- better athleticism if they are doing any kind of gymcelling or sport

There's literally zero athletes of any worth who don't eat high(er) carbs.

Let that sink in. Khabib, Ronaldo, McGregor, Tyson, etc all of these niggas ate carbs. even bodybuilders eat high carb.

KETO diets were invented to make literal fat sedentary people lose weight without having to control their insulin.

Is this a ragebait or is this your limit?

 

[asdvek]

carnivore is linked to long term health problems and this isn't a cope

cooked carnivore*

 

[Deleted member 126320]

Is this a ragebait or is this your limit?

it's not rage bait. veganism is literally vastly superior to the carnivore diet by every single metric. only obese suburban women and diabetics benefit from low carb

 

[Deleted member 152333]

it's not rage bait. veganism is literally vastly superior to the carnivore diet by every single metric. only obese suburban women and diabetics benefit from low carb

You fell for the meme

 

[Deleted member 126320]

If you are a chinese peasant or some shit like that. Agriculture has the benefit of being able to consistently feed way more people / acre of cultivated land than an acre of forest could through hunting and shit. Still bone density,height and general health markers are far worse in agrarian/plant based societies than they are in pastoral/meat eating ones. Also eating plants literally makes you low iq, as shown in a reduction of cranial capacity, meaning smaller brains, in early agricultural niggas. I would be glad to elaborate further if you want but i think you get the point. Animal based eating is infinetly superior to any man made vegan or vegetarian diet.

it's because of low protein not the plants. most pastoralists still ate plants

 

[Deleted member 126320]

You fell for the meme

i'm not a vegan i eat 20% meat. you're too deep in the anti science sauce if you think carnivore is anything but an expensive cancer maxing diet

 

[Deleted member 152333]

i'm not a vegan i eat 20% meat. you're to do in the anti science sauce if you think carnivore is anything but an expensive cancer maxing diet

You gotta be trolling

 

[Deleted member 126320]

You gotta be trolling

 

[asdvek]

carnivore is linked to long term health problems and this isn't a cope

Tell me what your carb sources are then

 

[Deleted member 126320]

Tell me what your carb sources are then

rice, fruit, bread, potato, corn