Pics of what? He doesn't even begin that.
Before side profile pics with CT scans, I am tired of this nonproven MSE + FM = Lefort 3 cope here
If he gets upswing then it will give slightly better under eye support
No
Maxilla and under eye are related but obvs orbital bones are still the main factor
the FM should affect undereye support
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yeah maybe that will
srs? how old were you and what results did you see?
i was 15 and had a fucking subhuman sideprofile
fucking lucky tbh, what changes did you see bro?
What did it do?
idk how much expansion took place
@Gudru
Massive lifefuel, did your eyes widen too somewhat?
fuck im gonna need alar base reduction after MSE tbh
i havent measured it but all the studies suggest that it will widen it
nah tbh
fucking lifefuel tbh, i might have to prostitute max for MSE tbh
Everyone's face is asymmetric... The expansion doesn't have to be exactly symmetrical, just close enough to as where it isn't noticeable.
The jawhacks dude got like 8mm expansion on one side and 3 on the other, PRETTY BAD.
He expanded way too fast, I think he said he did 7 turns in a day
Only orthodontic insurance covers it. Not medical. I asked cause I said the reason was breathing. But I want it for aesthetics of course
Ting does it a lot slower to control for those things.
Yes but it always goes asymmetric, there is a study with all the exact data somewhere, its like 3 mm difference on average.
He said that all my issues would be fixed and my profile would be fixed and my mandible would autorotate because he would intrude my molars and then pull my maxilla forward with FM that would be combined w MSE. But if it doesn't work I will probs get bimax. I mostly want MSE for eye gains cause my eyes are already hooded I just need better undereye. sorry for being repetitive
Fuck I’m so jealous. I got MSE but no face mask cause I have an overbite . What does he mean by intrude your molars? What does that entail?
Is he intruding your molars to fix occlusal cant?
Use braces to move the teeth up into the maxilla. He said there's no risks for molars and its common practice to either extrude or intrude teeth to affect angle. In fact, that's why some people experience downward mandibular effects post palatal expansion because the teeth extrude.
Idk the specifics I have an in person appt in a few weeks. He was saying he was gonna intrude them for my mandibular angle. I don't think I have a cant but I will update if the info changes.
Does he think you have a bad mandibular angle? Or is this needed with MSE+FM to avoid more overbite?
Nvm just realized intruding teeth doesn’t fix overbite
Nah I just have a bad mandibular angle but my mandible is big enough that if I get rotation my profile will be nice. I can make my occlusion class one but if I let my jaw go slack and go up my incisors are almost on top of each other so he's gonna rotate my mandible which could cause an underbite so that's why I'm doing the MSE+FM. But I'm doing this all for the cheekbone/infraorbital gains. The mandible rotation is just a bonus
It can fix (reduce) overjet, but it increases overbite. And some people mix these two concepts (overjet and overbite) so it really depends on what your situation is and your understanding of these definitions.
If teeth are extruded and you want your mandibular condyles to stay in a healthy position, a position that will give you no TMJ
Ting said that if he intrudes my molars my mandible will autorotate ccw (he said he wants to intrude by 1mm). Also, doesn't MSE enhance the effects of bone-anchored since the sutures are split?
