Give me reasons why being a doctor is bad

[Deleted member 12413]

does it determine what you do in Uni at all?

anyway: I'd go real natural sciences (as many of them) > artifical (CS, Biomedicine etc.)

rn im taking physics, bio, chem for sciences and wondering if I should change one of them to cs

 

[DivineBeing]

Depends on pre knowledge, computer science requires you to have some passion for it since high school, my gf is studying it just for the money and she is super struggling. While med school is okay for everyone, its just brutal memorization

Depends on your goals. Doctors have much higher status, and you have variety of fields to choose from that are similar to your liking.

tbh med is great if you're in the US but outside of it it's brutal

and 8 years school + 4 years residency for top specialisations like rotter Derm is also brutal

Status by profession is cope nowadays.I'm an Ivy grad and no normie EVER like seriously EVER cared

Rather have cash as a rotter than be a MD

 

[DivineBeing]

It's faster but definitely not easier. My brother is a SWE at amazon and he is basically going through residency-level stress forever. He can get fired at the drop of a hat for poor performance. The hours are even comparable between radiology residency vs SWE day-to-day job.

i'm working with FAANG SE's as a PM that's not true at all

must have a shit team bad luck for him

CS is low hours because you can't do that kind of cognitive work for 14+ hours for 5 days a week

 

[Deleted member 12413]

tbh med is great if you're in the US but outside of it it's brutal

and 8 years school + 4 years residency for top specialisations like rotter Derm is also brutal

Status by profession is cope nowadays.I'm an Ivy grad and no normie EVER like seriously EVER cared

Rather have cash as a rotter than be a MD

I'm in Canada, more taxes here but the tuition for med school is a lot less I'm pretty sure. (like 10k USD per year smthn around that)

 

[TsarTsar444]

tbh med is great if you're in the US but outside of it it's brutal

and 8 years school + 4 years residency for top specialisations like rotter Derm is also brutal

Status by profession is cope nowadays.I'm an Ivy grad and no normie EVER like seriously EVER cared

Rather have cash as a rotter than be a MD

Yeah but as i said, cs is the best if you are passionate in it, i wish i was a cs nerd in highschool. If you want to code with zero pre knowledge for it then cs is turbo hard.

 

[DivineBeing]

I'm in Canada, more taxes here but the tuition for med school is a lot less I'm pretty sure. (like 10k USD per year smthn around that)

r u on the IB curriculum

 

[DivineBeing]

Yeah but as i said, cs is the best if you are passionate in it, i wish i was a cs nerd in highschool. If you want to code with zero pre knowledge for it then cs is turbo hard.

hm isn't medicine similar?

pulling 8 hours of study every day needs some sort of motivation right?

 

[Deleted member 12413]

r u on the IB curriculum

Nah i didn't want the extra work at the time

 

[DivineBeing]

Nah i didn't want the extra work at the time

get rid of bio then

chem + physics is rigorous

CS to peek into whether you like coding

bio is subhuman it's memorisation city

i did advanced levels in bio and i wish i didn't

 

[Deleted member 12413]

get rid of bio then

chem + physics is rigorous

CS to peek into whether you like coding

bio is subhuman it's memorisation city

i did advanced levels in bio and i wish i didn't

isn't bio in hs a prerequisite to get into a uni for med or something like that

 

[DivineBeing]

isn't bio in hs a prerequisite to get into a uni for med or something like that

i'm not from canada you have to check local requirements

definitely not where i came from

 

[getra]

1) you would be a shit doctor

 

[Deleted member 12413]

get rid of bio then

chem + physics is rigorous

CS to peek into whether you like coding

bio is subhuman it's memorisation city

i did advanced levels in bio and i wish i didn't

also jfl im fucking taking bio, math, physics, and chem all in one semester

 

[DivineBeing]

also jfl im fucking taking bio, math, physics, and chem all in one semester

i took extra subjects that didn't count and i represented my country at an international olympiad

 

[Deleted member 16101]

i'm working with FAANG SE's as a PM that's not true at all

must have a shit team bad luck for him

CS is low hours because you can't do that kind of cognitive work for 14+ hours for 5 days a week

You'd be surprised how many doctors are working <25 hours a week at "full-time" jobs by cranking through patients. Like I previously said the psychiatrist I worked with was getting 270k for <1 hour of working time a day. That's comparable with my brother's SDE II job at amazon but with 1/10th of the hours.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

i have like a couple days to decide if I should take bio and physics, or cs for my hs course jfl idk what to pick

Chose Maths and Chemistry as advanced courses

But also select physics, bio, cs

 

[DivineBeing]

You'd be surprised how many doctors are working <25 hours a week at "full-time" jobs by cranking through patients. Like I previously said the psychiatrist I worked with was getting 270k for <1 hour of working time a day. That's comparable with my brother's SDE II job at amazon but with 1/10th of the hours.

yeah there's some rotter jobs

radio, derm is good for low stress rotters

psych - rotter too, but you pay with your sanity

anasthesia - rotter too, responsibility not to kill anyone

i'd rather be a plumber than a psysch tbh very niche job

most doctors without own clinics work very hard and long hours though

50% of worktime is behind the scenes paperwork btw don't underestimate

 

[Deleted member 12413]

i'm not from canada you have to check local requirements

definitely not where i came from

yea bio is a requirement for the uni I'm planning to go to, I won't be able to take cs as I cant fit in all of those courses in one sem.

 

[Deleted member 16101]

yeah there's some rotter jobs

radio, derm is good for low stress rotters

psych - rotter too, but you pay with your sanity

anasthesia - rotter too, responsibility not to kill anyone

I'm sure in CS there's plenty of slacker jobs also. Like defense/government jobs, my bro got an 80k offer for Northrop Grumman where he said he would be working like 1 actual hour a day. But outside of medicine you will likely be stuck at the lowest rungs of the totem pole with middling pay if you just want to chill and slack your whole career. It seems like in medicine it's the opposite where the less you GAF the more patients/procedures you can crank through and bill more

 

[Deleted member 15067]

As I once heard never go into medicine for the money only. If you do that you won’t have enough interest to actually make it to the point where you make a lot of money

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

yea bio is a requirement for the uni I'm planning to go to, I won't be able to take cs as I cant fit in all of those courses in one sem.

How many subjects do you have to take in total and how many are advanced courses

In Germany we have around 10 subjects, 4 of which are weighed more. 2 of the 4 are advanced courses

 

[DivineBeing]

I'm sure in CS there's plenty of slacker jobs also. Like defense/government jobs, my bro got an 80k offer for Northrop Grumman where he said he would be working like 1 actual hour a day. But outside of medicine you will likely be stuck at the lowest rungs of the totem pole with middling pay if you just want to chill and slack your whole career. It seems like in medicine it's the opposite where the less you GAF the more patients/procedures you can crank through and bill more

quants can be premium rotters tbh

but yeah outside of med i dont see many other jobs where you can permarot

 

[Deleted member 12413]

How many subjects do you have to take in total and how many are advanced courses

In Germany we have around 10 subjects, 4 of which are weighed more. 2 of the 4 are advanced courses

Advanced courses aren't required here

 

[hebbewem]

I assume you wanna get rich to enjoy things and if you consider medicin boring you need to do it for 8 hours every day.. so i would take more fun job

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Advanced courses aren't required here

What country are you from?

I'm from Germany and my more weighed subjects were :

Maths Advanced

English Advanced

Physics

Geography


Less weighed subjects were :

Chemistry

Biology

Computing orally only

German

Spanish

Art orally only

Sport orally only

Religion orally only

@MahersTaint @DivineBeing

 

[DivineBeing]

What country are you from?

I'm from Germany and my more weighed subjects were :

Maths Advanced

English Advanced

Physics

Geography


Less weighed subjects were :

Chemistry

Biology

Computing orally only

German

Spanish

Art

Sport

Religion

@MahersTaint @DivineBeing

over

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

over

Why p?

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

What country are you from?

I'm from Germany and my more weighed subjects were :

Maths Advanced

English Advanced

Physics

Geography


Less weighed subjects were :

Chemistry

Biology

Computing orally only

German

Spanish

Art orally only

Sport orally only

Religion orally only

@MahersTaint @DivineBeing

@IPray2JordanBarrett

 

[Deleted member 16101]

As I once heard never go into medicine for the money only. If you do that you won’t have enough interest to actually make it to the point where you make a lot of money

Yup, I got into UC Berkeley for CS and an ivy league for biology/premed, I ultimately went with ivy league undergrad -> medicine because I hated the AP CS class I took as a high school senior. Ironically I am now going into radiology which is basically the medical version of CS staring at a computer screen all day. You can't really go wrong with either field as long as you are willing to grind in your 20s, if you are hoping to slack off and do bare minimum you shouldn't expect to make >200k in either one.

 

[Bitch]

Too much stress and responsibility, not enough free time

 

[Deleted member 12413]

What country are you from?

I'm from Germany and my more weighed subjects were :

Maths Advanced

English Advanced

Physics

Geography


Less weighed subjects were :

Chemistry

Biology

Computing orally only

German

Spanish

Art orally only

Sport orally only

Religion orally only

@MahersTaint @DivineBeing

Canada, I don't think we use weighted gpa here, could be wrong tho.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Canada, I don't think we use weighted gpa here, could be wrong tho.

Thoughts on my subjects ? Would you have selected other subjects as your more weighed / Advanced courses?

I got rid of all social sciences except geography because they're fucking useless and got chose Spanish/English/Native German as my only languages.

I have all natural sciences which should prepare me well for med school

 

[Deleted member 12413]

Thoughts on my subjects ? Would you have selected other subjects as your more weighed / Advanced courses?

I got rid of all social sciences except geography because they're fucking useless and got chose Spanish/English/Native German as my only languages.

I have all natural sciences which should prepare me well for med school

Yea I agree social sciences are useless, and do you need advanced maths for med school?

 

[Deleted member 16101]

Yea I agree social sciences are useless, and do you need advanced maths for med school?

Those are both useless and have zero relevance to medical school curriculum but physics and sociology/psychology are tested on the MCAT. The best thing you can do as a premed is to prep early to crush the MCAT, the website forums.studentdoctor.net has great advice for the whole process.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Those are both useless and have zero relevance to medical school curriculum but physics and sociology/psychology are tested on the MCAT. The best thing you can do as a premed is to prep early to crush the MCAT, the website forums.studentdoctor.net has great advice for the whole process.

In Europe mcat doesn't exist. Highschool grades matter and/or Admission tests that contain Natural sciences questions , Cognitive tests or a mix of both.

In Netherlands/Flanders, Austria and Eastern Europe admission tests matter while in Germany, Switzerland and Spain only highschool grades matter

 

[Deleted member 12413]

Those are both useless and have zero relevance to medical school curriculum but physics and sociology/psychology are tested on the MCAT. The best thing you can do as a premed is to prep early to crush the MCAT, the website forums.studentdoctor.net has great advice for the whole process.

what about bio and chem

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

what about bio and chem

Best options

Bio here contains a lot of useless ecology and evolution though

Chem is probably the best to chose as advanced to prepare for med school

 

[Deleted member 16101]

i'm working with FAANG SE's as a PM that's not true at all

must have a shit team bad luck for him

CS is low hours because you can't do that kind of cognitive work for 14+ hours for 5 days a week

Well he has been working 40-60 hours a week and has to be on-call for all kinds of bullshit problems that arise and answer to a stressed out manager. Perhaps it's different at other FAANGs, he told me Facebook and Amazon want grinders. Doesn't seem overly different from radiology residency which is like 50-60 hours also answering to potentially nasty managers. I would not underestimate the amount of studying/effort required for CS, half the guys in my college frat in the CS track washed out and switched to finance because of the mental difficulty.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

Those are both useless and have zero relevance to medical school curriculum but physics and sociology/psychology are tested on the MCAT. The best thing you can do as a premed is to prep early to crush the MCAT, the website forums.studentdoctor.net has great advice for the whole process.

Is going to a private medical university a good investment ( 40k / year tuition fees)

 

[Deleted member 16101]

Is going to a private medical university a good investment ( 40k / year tuition fees)

It really depends on what other acceptances you had, I'm not familiar on how things work in Europe but TBH if you want to have the most lucrative career I would figure out how to come to the US for either medical school or residency, perhaps starting from a US college which my Pakistani friend did (went from Karachi, Pakistan to low-tier US state college and crushed the MCAT) and is now also about to start radiology residency as well.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

It really depends on what other acceptances you had, I'm not familiar on how things work in Europe but TBH if you want to have the most lucrative career I would figure out how to come to the US for either medical school or residency, perhaps starting from a US college which my Pakistani friend did (went from Karachi, Pakistan to low-tier US state college and crushed the MCAT) and is now also about to start radiology residency as well.

Med school in Romania is cheaper than US

Romanian doctors will easily be able to immigrate to US and save the expensive US med school tuition

 

[Deleted member 16101]

Med school in Romania is cheaper than US

Romanian doctors will easily be able to immigrate to US and save the expensive US med school tuition

The problem with immigration is that in order to be a doctor in the US, you MUST complete your residency training years in the US. I'm not familiar with how that process works starting from Europe but I have seen IMGs (medical students coming from outside of the US) accepted into the US mostly for internal medicine residency (relatively easy specialty to get into). I would imagine it's very competitive for IMGs to come to US for residency but if you can do it I think it can be a great idea. I worked at a bottom tier hospital a few months ago with a Pakistani IMG resident who was about to start his cardiology fellowship (extremely competitive) so I wouldn't be too focused on prestige as long as you can somehow come to the US.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

The problem with immigration is that in order to be a doctor in the US, you MUST complete your residency training years in the US. I'm not familiar with how that process works starting from Europe but I have seen IMGs (medical students coming from outside of the US) accepted into the US mostly for internal medicine residency (relatively easy specialty to get into). I would imagine it's very competitive for IMGs to come to US for residency but if you can do it I think it can be a great idea. I worked at a bottom tier hospital a few months ago with a Pakistani IMG resident who was about to start his cardiology fellowship (extremely competitive) so I wouldn't be too focused on prestige as long as you can somehow come to the US.

Doctor salaries in Western Europe are very good as well. No need to migrate to US.

 

[Deleted member 16101]

Doctor salaries in Western Europe are very good as well. No need to migrate to US.

In that case I would just take whatever path will set you up to be most competitive for being a private sector surgeon since that seems to be the most lucrative path in Europe.

 

[Enfant terrible]

In private practice surgery you can reasonably expect to make 1M+ working around 50 hours a week once you are established. You can reasonably work 30+ years like this and retire with 40M+ if you are frugal and invest. The highest paid docs at my school which files annual salary reports are: interventional cardiology at 3.5M and several neurosurgeons around 2M.

Most slept on specialty right now is psychiatry:

Prison Job - Worth the Risks?

So I've been talking to a recruiter and I've been told about a prison job in a state prison system. It will be locums, 1099. No benefits. 2 weeks off a year unpaid. No sick time. Luckily I have a spouse who gets healthcare and full benefits for us through her non-medical job. BUT, the pay is...

forums.studentdoctor.net

800K compensation for a new grad. Mindlessly throwing SSRIs or antipsychotics at everyone and pretending to listen to them.

Compare that to SWE, surgery or radiology where you are hyperfocused doing extremely technical work and if you happen to fuck up a few times your career is now in jeopardy.

On my psychiatry rotation the attending psychiatrist showed up at 9:00 AM, "saw" his 10 patients in 20 minutes and was out the door at 9:30 AM to his next job(s). Got paid 270k a year for this joke of a "job". Mogs basically every technical career in both hourly rate and stress to pay ratio.

working in a psychiatry would be feeling like home for most users here

 

[Deleted member 16101]

working in a psychiatry would be feeling like home for most users here

Lol on inpatient psychiatry I got called faggot, nigger, rapist by the schizophrenic patients despite being a Mediterranean guy.

 

[Harold O'brien]

I definitely wouldn't become a doctor for the money

it is incredibly stressful with long hours and years of education. you also need to be very passionate to deal with stupid patients and just put up with a lot of bullshit every day

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

In that case I would just take whatever path will set you up to be most competitive for being a private sector surgeon since that seems to be the most lucrative path in Europe.

My career goal is becoming a orthodontist actually

 

[Deleted member 6128]

Do a degree on economics or maths or something Tech related

 

[Deleted member 16101]

I definitely wouldn't become a doctor for the money

it is incredibly stressful with long hours and years of education. you also need to be very passionate to deal with stupid patients and just put up with a lot of bullshit every day

I've found it's actually the opposite. The sweetheart kind, caring white/asian doctors get burned out seeing 10 patients a day because the patients don't listen. Meanwhile the dark triad Egyptian or Bangladeshi IMG doctors see 50 patients without giving a single fuck and billing 5x more money.