GO TO FRANCE FOR ASCENSION TOMORROW

[DonaldJTrump]

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[LEFORT17]

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[snowslayer]

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[vermicel]

How about rhino?

any good rhino mfs there? thinking of getting rid of my dorsal hump

Based on a private french-speaking FB group dedicated to rhinoplasty in France, it seems that at least 2 local surgeons are competent and ethically sound, including with revision cases :

Dr. Guillaume Carles (Montpellier) https://www.instagram.com/dr.guillaume.carles/
Dr. Antoine Lavie (Marseille) https://www.instagram.com/dr.antoinelavie/

Carles is one of the most expensive French rhino surgeons. But his prices are still lower than some of the popular Turkish surgeons'
His website ( https://www.rhinoplasticien.fr/en/prices.html ) states prices starting at 7800€/$9000 for primary rhino ; and from 8800€/$10250 for revision. These are applicable to foreigners.

Lavie charges around 6000€/$7000 for primary, and, based on the few recent testimonies I've come across, between 7000€/$8000 and 9000€/$10500 for revision.

A few other French surgeons seem to be working well and getting good reviews (e.g. Dr. Paul Gasnier in Nice ; Dr. Frédéric Picard in Paris). I need to read more discussions held in that FB group before sharing an extended list. Note that almost every user is a foid, so that may generate a bias towards surgeons who focus heavily on female aesthetics.

@lottacoping I don't think you need an elite surgeon for a plain hump removal. I don't know where you're based, but many local options across Europe will do just fine.

 

[archiewannabe]

If you want to ascend ASAP then France is very underrated for surgery. Not only are they first world, high quality, and well developed (Not a Brazil, Turkey, or Russia, also they are white so you won't get botched like you would in Korea where there's different beauty standards), but they are extremely affordable!

With Italy becoming more popular and prices going through the roof, it is time for us to start looking elsewhere. You have to wait half a year to consult with Ramieri! Raffaini charges 500 Euros for one consult! Italian bimax is experiencing severe inflation!

"Now, to address your enquiry, here's a list of French maxfac/orthognathic surgeons compiled by @LackEmpathyTherefor

Jean-Baptiste Charrier (over charges because of international hype)
Pierre Bouletreu
Didier Ernenwein
Gonzague Deffrennes
Emmanuel Racy
Serge Ketoff
Frederic Barere
Pierre Olivi
Jacques Yachouh
Jacques Chardai
Amaury Gindre
Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy
Thierry Loncle (will most likely overcharge cuz of international hype I think)
Jean-Christophe Lutz

Their prices are sometimes openly displayed on their website. A regular genio will cost approx. 4-5K€ on average.

There is no obvious reason for these French surgeons to be less skilled than their Italian counterparts. The difference will mostly come down to repeated experience with the procedure in question."

Even if you're skeptical I think everyone should at least do some research and consult with some French surgeons before they totally decide on going to Turkey, Italy, or staying local/domestic.

Anyone have any other French surgeon recommendations? Name some or leave any comments below, thanks

Very sceptical about French surgeons accepting English people

 

[cutecel1337]

Based on a private french-speaking FB group dedicated to rhinoplasty in France, it seems that at least 2 local surgeons are competent and ethically sound, including with revision cases :

Dr. Guillaume Carles (Montpellier) https://www.instagram.com/dr.guillaume.carles/
Dr. Antoine Lavie (Marseille) https://www.instagram.com/dr.antoinelavie/

Carles is one of the most expensive French rhino surgeons. But his prices are still lower than some of the popular Turkish surgeons'
His website ( https://www.rhinoplasticien.fr/en/prices.html ) states prices starting at 7800€/$9000 for primary rhino ; and from 8800€/$10250 for revision. These are applicable to foreigners.

Lavie charges around 6000€/$7000 for primary, and, based on the few recent testimonies I've come across, between 7000€/$8000 and 9000€/$10500 for revision.

A few other French surgeons seem to be working well and getting good reviews (e.g. Dr. Paul Gasnier in Nice ; Dr. Frédéric Picard in Paris). I need to read more discussions held in that FB group before sharing an extended list. Note that almost every user is a foid, so that may generate a bias towards surgeons who focus heavily on female aesthetics.

@lottacoping I don't think you need an elite surgeon for a plain hump removal. I don't know where you're based, but many local options across Europe will do just fine.

if its really for best surgeons, price is good and france economy is high too

 

[vermicel]

if its really for best surgeons, price is good and france economy is high too

You will probably find a few more expensive surgeons in the posh districts of Paris, but not by much. For example, @Math_mm shared his experience here on .org with Dr. Alexandre Koutsomanis in Paris ( https://looksmax.org/threads/before-after-pics-rhino-saved-my-life.1909398/ ), who charged him 8K€ for a primary rhino. As a French citizen, had his case not been strictly cosmetic, he could have benefitted from partial coverage by both the national public healthcare and his private insurance ("mutuelle"). Dr Carles mentions on his website that it can knock 1000-1200€ off the initial price.

Drs. Carles and Lavie are operating outside Paris, so it must help to keep their prices down. Still outside Paris, you will find other surgeons significantly cheaper than the two aforementioned ; I've come across several patient testimonies mentioning prices around 3500-4000€ ($4000-4600) for primary rhino, and these surgeons seemed to be well-regarded, not random bums (e.g. Dr. Jérôme Bessard in Toulouse). I guess they're the kind of guys you can go to when your case is pretty straight-forward. While you would rather pick Carles and Lavie for more complex surgeries and revisions. Carles seems to have grown an international reputation around his revision work ; and, yes, you can expect him to speak English to some extent.

 

[kaydd]

I guess they're the kind of guys you can go to when your case is pretty straight-forward.

who would you reccomend for a more complez case? Eg. Bimax with rhino(a complex one at it too).

 

[vermicel]

By the way, to get back to jaw-related surgeries in France : @Mikhail. has recently teased his experience here on .org for a genioplasty with Dr. Frédéric Barere in Bordeaux ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-8mm-post-op-16yo.1866421/#post-26159531 ). He paid 4500€ ($5200), all fees included.
Dr. Barere ( https://www.instagram.com/drbarere_maxillofacial/ ) is mentioned in the OP, so I find it interesting to have a direct testimony available here on the forum.

who would you reccomend for a more complez case? Eg. Bimax with rhino(a complex one at it too).

I don't have the knowledge or first-hand experience that would allow me to vouch for specific French orthognathic surgeons, even less so for complex cases. @LackEmpathyTherefor may be able to do that.

If a given surgeon cannot combine both procedures by himself, he may agree to a collab with another colleague so the patient will have everything done in one single surgical session.
Let's say for example that you get in touch with Dr. Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy in Paris for a bimax, but he doesn't feel comfortable working on your nose for whatever technical reason ; perhaps will he reach out to another Parisian doctor whom he feels will do a better job with your nose, and try to arrange a surgery in his usual medical clinic. My list of French rhino specialists is a work in progress ; for now, in Paris, I may mention Dr. Frédéric Picard https://www.instagram.com/docteurpicard/, whose prices start from 7800€/$9000, and Dr. Rani Makhoul https://www.instagram.com/drmakhoul_chirurgieesthetique/, whose prices start from 8500€/$9900. I'm not personally vouching for these two ; just mentioning them because they seem to garner positive feedbacks on that private FB group, and also to let you see the level of aesthetics you can aspire to at those prices in Paris (foreigners are eligible to such prices).

 

[kaydd]

By the way, to get back to jaw-related surgeries in France : @Mikhail. has recently teased his experience here on .org for a genioplasty with Dr. Frédéric Barere in Bordeaux ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-8mm-post-op-16yo.1866421/#post-26159531 ). He paid 4500€ ($5200), all fees included.
Dr. Barere ( https://www.instagram.com/drbarere_maxillofacial/ ) is mentioned in the OP, so I find it interesting to have a direct testimony available here on the forum.


I don't have the knowledge or first-hand experience that would allow me to vouch for specific French orthognathic surgeons, even less so for complex cases. @LackEmpathyTherefor may be able to do that.

If a given surgeon cannot combine both procedures by himself, he may agree to a collab with another colleague so the patient will have everything done in one single surgical session.
Let's say for example that you get in touch with Dr. Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy in Paris for a bimax, but he doesn't feel comfortable working on your nose for whatever technical reason ; perhaps will he reach out to another Parisian doctor whom he feels will do a better job with your nose, and try to arrange a surgery in his usual medical clinic. My list of French rhino specialists is a work in progress ; for now, in Paris, I may mention Dr. Frédéric Picard https://www.instagram.com/docteurpicard/, whose prices start from 7800€/$9000, and Dr. Rani Makhoul https://www.instagram.com/drmakhoul_chirurgieesthetique/, whose prices start from 8500€/$9900. I'm not personally vouching for these two ; just mentioning them because they seem to garner positive feedbacks on that private FB group, and also to let you see the level of aesthetics you can aspire to at those prices in Paris (foreigners are eligible to such prices).

ty man, looking forward to your updated list.

 

[nishka]

Based on a private french-speaking FB group dedicated to rhinoplasty in France, it seems that at least 2 local surgeons are competent and ethically sound, including with revision cases :

Dr. Guillaume Carles (Montpellier) https://www.instagram.com/dr.guillaume.carles/
Dr. Antoine Lavie (Marseille) https://www.instagram.com/dr.antoinelavie/

Carles is one of the most expensive French rhino surgeons. But his prices are still lower than some of the popular Turkish surgeons'
His website ( https://www.rhinoplasticien.fr/en/prices.html ) states prices starting at 7800€/$9000 for primary rhino ; and from 8800€/$10250 for revision. These are applicable to foreigners.

Lavie charges around 6000€/$7000 for primary, and, based on the few recent testimonies I've come across, between 7000€/$8000 and 9000€/$10500 for revision.

A few other French surgeons seem to be working well and getting good reviews (e.g. Dr. Paul Gasnier in Nice ; Dr. Frédéric Picard in Paris). I need to read more discussions held in that FB group before sharing an extended list. Note that almost every user is a foid, so that may generate a bias towards surgeons who focus heavily on female aesthetics.

@lottacoping I don't think you need an elite surgeon for a plain hump removal. I don't know where you're based, but many local options across Europe will do just fine.

yo vermicel, i know you got that KNOWLEDGE can you hook me up with the info for an ethnic rhino surgeon. i can travel anywhere.
thank you!!

 

[Jgns]

By the way, to get back to jaw-related surgeries in France : @Mikhail. has recently teased his experience here on .org for a genioplasty with Dr. Frédéric Barere in Bordeaux ( https://looksmax.org/threads/genioplasty-8mm-post-op-16yo.1866421/#post-26159531 ). He paid 4500€ ($5200), all fees included.
Dr. Barere ( https://www.instagram.com/drbarere_maxillofacial/ ) is mentioned in the OP, so I find it interesting to have a direct testimony available here on the forum.


I don't have the knowledge or first-hand experience that would allow me to vouch for specific French orthognathic surgeons, even less so for complex cases. @LackEmpathyTherefor may be able to do that.

If a given surgeon cannot combine both procedures by himself, he may agree to a collab with another colleague so the patient will have everything done in one single surgical session.
Let's say for example that you get in touch with Dr. Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy in Paris for a bimax, but he doesn't feel comfortable working on your nose for whatever technical reason ; perhaps will he reach out to another Parisian doctor whom he feels will do a better job with your nose, and try to arrange a surgery in his usual medical clinic. My list of French rhino specialists is a work in progress ; for now, in Paris, I may mention Dr. Frédéric Picard https://www.instagram.com/docteurpicard/, whose prices start from 7800€/$9000, and Dr. Rani Makhoul https://www.instagram.com/drmakhoul_chirurgieesthetique/, whose prices start from 8500€/$9900. I'm not personally vouching for these two ; just mentioning them because they seem to garner positive feedbacks on that private FB group, and also to let you see the level of aesthetics you can aspire to at those prices in Paris (foreigners are eligible to such prices).

Agreed i think uve seen my nose though it was a terrible photo with alot of lens distortion but it’s pretty fat would u please forward some sources to me too

 

[vermicel]

yo vermicel, i know you got that KNOWLEDGE can you hook me up with the info for an ethnic rhino surgeon. i can travel anywhere.

I definitely don't have any such KNOWLEDGE, otherwise I would gladly share it with you. I'm just starting off my research on this topic, hence the cautious wording of my messages ("seem", "may", "might", "would", "could", "maybe", "probably"). I'd rather not mislead anyone into thinking that some surgeons are good, when in reality they might not be.

By the way, I think you confuse being an "ethnic" (i.e. non-White) here on .org with having an "ethnic nose", which usually refers to a combination of unprojected bridge & tip, short columella, flared nostrils, and wide alar base ; in other words, typical Black, South/Central American & East Asian noses.
YOU do not fall into this category. Your convex nose, while commonly seen on Indians, is well projected, quite tall, not particularly wide, and similar in shape to noses seen on Europeans (here you go, take your Aryan badge). I don't think it specifically requires an "ethnic nose" specialist, although you may want a surgeon who's got a few documented cases with noses shaped like yours.

For reference (so readers of this thread understand what we're talking about), here are your pictures :

Agreed i think uve seen my nose though it was a terrible photo with alot of lens distortion but it’s pretty fat would u please forward some sources to me too

Can you repost your pics here ? I can't be arsed to search them right now.

 

[nishka]

I definitely don't have any such KNOWLEDGE, otherwise I would gladly share it with you. I'm just starting off my research on this topic, hence the cautious wording of my messages ("seem", "may", "might", "would", "could", "maybe", "probably"). I'd rather not mislead anyone into thinking that some surgeons are good, when in reality they might not be.

By the way, I think you confuse being an "ethnic" (i.e. non-White) here on .org with having an "ethnic nose", which usually refers to a combination of unprojected bridge & tip, short columella, flared nostrils, and wide alar base ; in other words, typical Black, South/Central American & East Asian noses.
YOU do not fall into this category. Your convex nose, while commonly seen on Indians, is well projected, quite tall, not particularly wide, and similar in shape to noses seen on Europeans (here you go, take your Aryan badge). I don't think it specifically requires an "ethnic nose" specialist, although you may want a surgeon who's got a few documented cases with noses shaped like yours.

thanks for the write up and also the kind words. unfortunately, i feel like my nose has changed and become a lot fatter after my bimax + genio altho its only 2 weeks post op so there is a lot of swelling. thats why i am researching my rhino options. i would love to share images with you once i am more healed and get your idea of what kind of rhino would benefit me

 

[Jgns]

I definitely don't have any such KNOWLEDGE, otherwise I would gladly share it with you. I'm just starting off my research on this topic, hence the cautious wording of my messages ("seem", "may", "might", "would", "could", "maybe", "probably"). I'd rather not mislead anyone into thinking that some surgeons are good, when in reality they might not be.

By the way, I think you confuse being an "ethnic" (i.e. non-White) here on .org with having an "ethnic nose", which usually refers to a combination of unprojected bridge & tip, short columella, flared nostrils, and wide alar base ; in other words, typical Black, South/Central American & East Asian noses.
YOU do not fall into this category. Your convex nose, while commonly seen on Indians, is well projected, quite tall, not particularly wide, and similar in shape to noses seen on Europeans (here you go, take your Aryan badge). I don't think it specifically requires an "ethnic nose" specialist, although you may want a surgeon who's got a few documented cases with noses shaped like yours.

For reference (so readers of this thread understand what we're talking about), here are your pictures :

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Can you repost your pics here ? I can't be arsed to search them right now.

Is it ok if i pm u them i have said sm wild shit on this forum jfl

 

[lottacoping]

Based on a private french-speaking FB group dedicated to rhinoplasty in France, it seems that at least 2 local surgeons are competent and ethically sound, including with revision cases :

Dr. Guillaume Carles (Montpellier) https://www.instagram.com/dr.guillaume.carles/
Dr. Antoine Lavie (Marseille) https://www.instagram.com/dr.antoinelavie/

Carles is one of the most expensive French rhino surgeons. But his prices are still lower than some of the popular Turkish surgeons'
His website ( https://www.rhinoplasticien.fr/en/prices.html ) states prices starting at 7800€/$9000 for primary rhino ; and from 8800€/$10250 for revision. These are applicable to foreigners.

Lavie charges around 6000€/$7000 for primary, and, based on the few recent testimonies I've come across, between 7000€/$8000 and 9000€/$10500 for revision.

A few other French surgeons seem to be working well and getting good reviews (e.g. Dr. Paul Gasnier in Nice ; Dr. Frédéric Picard in Paris). I need to read more discussions held in that FB group before sharing an extended list. Note that almost every user is a foid, so that may generate a bias towards surgeons who focus heavily on female aesthetics.

@lottacoping I don't think you need an elite surgeon for a plain hump removal. I don't know where you're based, but many local options across Europe will do just fine.

bit late but im in canada, and trying to expand and look for as much surgeons for the future

 

[DonaldJTrump]

how did this thread turn into a bunch of rhino copers rhino is a woman's surgery, even if you have a bad nose it's usually not the best idea

 

[kaydd]

how did this thread turn into a bunch of rhino copers rhino is a woman's surgery, even if you have a bad nose it's usually not the best idea

what the fuck are you on about, keep coping with your bimax for muh side profile whereas the nose is one of the most important components for harmony

 

[Jgns]

how did this thread turn into a bunch of rhino copers rhino is a woman's surgery, even if you have a bad nose it's usually not the best idea

might be the most retarded thing ive heard all day, why even be on this site if ur gonna say some stupid shit like that

 

[DonaldJTrump]

what the fuck are you on about, keep coping with your bimax for muh side profile whereas the nose is one of the most important components for harmony

might be the most retarded thing ive heard all day, why even be on this site if ur gonna say some stupid shit like that

Keep coping with a pussy woman surgery as ur maxilla is still recessed as fuck, unless ur blackgymmaxx or maybe have a jew ass nose its usually not ideal imo

 

[Jgns]

Keep coping with a pussy woman surgery as ur maxilla is still recessed as fuck, unless ur blackgymmaxx or maybe have a jew ass nose its usually not ideal imo

small changes to the alar base and nose bridge can make a huge impact on harmony

 

[Luxify]

Based on a private french-speaking FB group dedicated to rhinoplasty in France, it seems that at least 2 local surgeons are competent and ethically sound, including with revision cases :

Dr. Guillaume Carles (Montpellier) https://www.instagram.com/dr.guillaume.carles/
Dr. Antoine Lavie (Marseille) https://www.instagram.com/dr.antoinelavie/

Carles is one of the most expensive French rhino surgeons. But his prices are still lower than some of the popular Turkish surgeons'
His website ( https://www.rhinoplasticien.fr/en/prices.html ) states prices starting at 7800€/$9000 for primary rhino ; and from 8800€/$10250 for revision. These are applicable to foreigners.

Lavie charges around 6000€/$7000 for primary, and, based on the few recent testimonies I've come across, between 7000€/$8000 and 9000€/$10500 for revision.

A few other French surgeons seem to be working well and getting good reviews (e.g. Dr. Paul Gasnier in Nice ; Dr. Frédéric Picard in Paris). I need to read more discussions held in that FB group before sharing an extended list. Note that almost every user is a foid, so that may generate a bias towards surgeons who focus heavily on female aesthetics.

@lottacoping I don't think you need an elite surgeon for a plain hump removal. I don't know where you're based, but many local options across Europe will do just fine.

Including all fees, Carles quoted me around €12k for primary (non revision)

 

[kaydd]

Including all fees, Carles quoted me around €12k for primary (non revision)

How complex is your rhino? Thank you

 

[vermicel]

And if I remember well, French surgeons are also closely related to the development of chin wings or mini wings.

Swiss surgeon invented it but yeah French surgeons work closely with them and probably also trained by the inventor who was Dr Albino Triaca.

After further research, it seems that we were both right : while Dr. Albino Triaca is indeed the inventor of the chin wing, French surgeon Dr. Paul Cresseaux did develop the mini-wing as a simplified and less invasive variant of the chin wing.

As I'm against gatekeeping whenever possible and reasonable, this gives me the opportunity to make a list of French surgeons experienced with chin wings & mini-wings :

Dr. Paul Cresseaux (Lyon)
Dr. Guillaume Cordier (Lyon)
Dr. Frédéric Barere (Bordeaux)
Dr. Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy (Paris)
Dr. Thierry Loncle (Paris)

A few other French surgeons may offer these procedures, but these 5 should be enough to have a good round of consultations, and I'm quite certain that at least 2 or 3 out of these 5 have the most experience in France and rank high in Europe too (experience-wise).

These same 5 surgeons should be experienced with regular genios as well. I'm neither vouching for them, nor pretending that they're all the same skill-wise ; as always, do your own research.
By the way, don't be too surprised if their published results are rather underwhelming. Most of them are conservative by default, or will communicate in such a way that portrays them as conservative, because that is actually a valued quality in France when it comes to cosmetic procedures and medical practice in general. So feel free to ask them if they can push the envelope in your personal case.
Funnily enough, Dr Barere tells on his Instagram that he is wary of patients who come to consultation with a 200 inspiration pictures folder gathered on American websites and strict demands down to the millimeter he says that if such patients can't soften their view & understanding of surgery, he usually rejects them on the pretext that this surgery is too complicated for him. So, guys, if you get in touch with him, try not to act like .org autists ! Same advice applies to most doctors, really.

While we're at it : based on his website, Dr. Dujoncquoy charges only between 4500€ and 5900€ ($5200-6800) for bimax, all included ... https://www.docteur-dujoncquoy.fr/tarifs

French citizens probably have half of the cost covered by national healthcare and private insurance. Foreigners simply pay the full price.
If he's actually a good surgeon, not necessarily black-pilled, but competent enough, then these prices are crazy when compared with the neighbouring Italians

Including all fees, Carles quoted me around €12k for primary (non revision)

That's surprising. I've come across several recent testimonies (less than 12 months old) that stated prices between 8000€ and 9000€ for a primary rhino with Carles.
Is there any rationale behind this higher quote ? Is your case complex ? Are you a French citizen (French surgeons shouldn't charge more to foreigners, but who knows ...) ?

 

[vermicel]

Another French surgeon who wasn't mentioned in the OP : Dr. Paul Moulin, based in Paris.
I came across his Instagram while searching French rhino specialists. He seems to be proficient at both rhinoplasty and orthognathics (@kaydd). He's still quite young, so his experience (i.e. number of surgeries) may be questioned. Few results available on his Instagram account (https://www.instagram.com/dr.paul.moulin/) and personal website (https://docteurmoulin.fr/), but they seem quite good.

What about his prices (https://docteurmoulin.fr/tarifs-chirurgie-maxillo-faciale-paris/) ?
alar plasty -> 950€
primary rhinoplasty -> ~7000€
revision rhinoplasty -> 9000-12500€
genioplasty -> 3200€
BSSO / Lefort 1 -> 3000-3500€
bimax -> 4500-5000€
trimax -> 5250-6000€ ... enjoy Shitalians ripping you a second asshole


Bimax :

BSSO + genio :

Rhinoplasty (primary) :

BSSO :

Lefort 1 :

 

[kaydd]

Another French surgeon who wasn't mentioned in the OP : Dr. Paul Moulin, based in Paris.
I came across his Instagram while searching French rhino specialists. He seems to be proficient at both rhinoplasty and orthognathics (@kaydd). He's still quite young, so his experience (i.e. number of surgeries) may be questioned. Few results available on his Instagram account (https://www.instagram.com/dr.paul.moulin/) and personal website (https://docteurmoulin.fr/), but they seem quite good.

What about his prices (https://docteurmoulin.fr/tarifs-chirurgie-maxillo-faciale-paris/) ?
alar plasty -> 950€
primary rhinoplasty -> ~7000€
revision rhinoplasty -> 9000-12500€
genioplasty -> 3200€
BSSO / Lefort 1 -> 3000-3500€
bimax -> 4500-5000€
trimax -> 5250-6000€ ... enjoy Shitalians ripping you a second asshole


Bimax :

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BSSO + genio :

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Rhinoplasty (primary) :

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BSSO :

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Lefort 1 :

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Sounds like pipe dream hearing all these prices….

 

[Luxify]

After further research, it seems that we were both right : while Dr. Albino Triaca is indeed the inventor of the chin wing, French surgeon Dr. Paul Cresseaux did develop the mini-wing as a simplified and less invasive variant of the chin wing.

As I'm against gatekeeping whenever possible and reasonable, this gives me the opportunity to make a list of French surgeons experienced with chin wings & mini-wings :

Dr. Paul Cresseaux (Lyon)
Dr. Guillaume Cordier (Lyon)
Dr. Frédéric Barere (Bordeaux)
Dr. Jean-Pascal Dujoncquoy (Paris)
Dr. Thierry Loncle (Paris)

A few other French surgeons may offer these procedures, but these 5 should be enough to have a good round of consultations, and I'm quite certain that at least 2 or 3 out of these 5 have the most experience in France and rank high in Europe too (experience-wise).

These same 5 surgeons should be experienced with regular genios as well. I'm neither vouching for them, nor pretending that they're all the same skill-wise ; as always, do your own research.
By the way, don't be too surprised if their published results are rather underwhelming. Most of them are conservative by default, or will communicate in such a way that portrays them as conservative, because that is actually a valued quality in France when it comes to cosmetic procedures and medical practice in general. So feel free to ask them if they can push the envelope in your personal case.
Funnily enough, Dr Barere tells on his Instagram that he is wary of patients who come to consultation with a 200 inspiration pictures folder gathered on American websites and strict demands down to the millimeter he says that if such patients can't soften their view & understanding of surgery, he usually rejects them on the pretext that this surgery is too complicated for him. So, guys, if you get in touch with him, try not to act like .org autists ! Same advice applies to most doctors, really.

While we're at it : based on his website, Dr. Dujoncquoy charges only between 4500€ and 5900€ ($5200-6800) for bimax, all included ... https://www.docteur-dujoncquoy.fr/tarifs

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French citizens probably have half of the cost covered by national healthcare and private insurance. Foreigners simply pay the full price.
If he's actually a good surgeon, not necessarily black-pilled, but competent enough, then these prices are crazy when compared with the neighbouring Italians


That's surprising. I've come across several recent testimonies (less than 12 months old) that stated prices between 8000€ and 9000€ for a primary rhino with Carles.
Is there any rationale behind this higher quote ? Is your case complex ? Are you a French citizen (French surgeons shouldn't charge more to foreigners, but who knows ...) ?

I’m not French citizen. The surgery was in the range you quoted, but did not include anaesthesia or hospital fees which were seperate

 

[Luxify]

How complex is your rhino? Thank you

Big reduction, nostril reshape

 

[Luxify]

Has anyone ever emailed Pierre Olivi in Marseille? I emailed him twice before and never got a response.

 

[Vargelkin]

French surgeons are extremely rigid, they won't dialogue with you, they're purely function oriented and you won't get treated.

Source : me, french. Saw half of them. They will NOT work with you, in fact when you visit their office they will look at you like some retard like "why the fuck did you come here if you don't live here".
Pure fantasy thread. In fact they will hardly consider you even as a french patient and will redirect you to your local surgeon. "But why don't you work with X and Y in your city? They know what they're doing. I don't work with other orthodontists".

Stop taking the random ideas of literal children as gospel.

 

[kaydd]

have you heard of jean brice duro?
You could see how he doesn't overkill the hump
@vermicel

 

[vermicel]

have you heard of jean brice duro?

Jean-Brice Duron might be the most expensive French rhino specialist. Definitely targetting the upper class Parisian Karens and wealthy hooked-nose Sephardi Jewesses. He was mentored by Dr. Gilbert Aiach, who used to be the most popular French rhino surgeon when I started doing research in the late 2000s (he must be too old now).

Testimonies and reviews I've come across are a bit of a mixed bag. Some rave about his bedside manners and artistry ; others portray him as overhyped, overpriced, and not always sticking to the original surgical plan. He's not really a favorite among that private FB group, but I think his prices are partly responsible for that.

The two results shown above are ok.
The second patient's nostril seems to flare a bit too much in the after. More info & pics would be required to get a better grasp of what was done there.

By the way : @LackEmpathyTherefor 's bimax experience with a French maxfac surgeon contradicts the post before yours. He hasn't publicly disclosed the surgeon's identity, but he described him as more than willing to accommodate his wish for large movements. This surgeon may the exception to the (French) rule, I don't know.

 

[kaydd]

Jean-Brice Duron might be the most expensive French rhino specialist. Definitely targetting the upper class Parisian Karens and wealthy hooked-nose Sephardi Jewesses. He was mentored by Dr. Gilbert Aiach, who used to be the most popular French rhino surgeon when I started doing research in the late 2000s (he must be too old now).

Thank you. Yeah i just saw him getting mentioned from a thread posted few years ago, ill keep him in my list for now i guess (or rather your list )

By the way : @LackEmpathyTherefor 's bimax experience with a French maxfac surgeon contradicts the post before yours. He hasn't publicly disclosed the surgeon's identity, but he described him as more than willing to accommodate his wish for large movements. This surgeon may the exception to the (French) rule, I don't know.

Well what the person complained is that the surgeons are bigoted when it comes to consulting foreign patients, not really hinting at their skills, at least thats what i got. I hope to god he's not fully giving the context but who knows, its the french after all


@LackEmpathyTherefor how much i gotta cashapp you for the name