God exists and its perfectly evident

[Ryan]

i see people calling god a fairy tale and an irrational idea but the irony is that most of the famous philosphers were theists/deists...
why did they believed in a god?ill try to answer in this thread

Deductive Proof of god:
first we need to define god
GOD=from which everything originated ie The first cause/the uncaused cause

by using simple logic we can be sure god exists
premise no 1: i have a cause
premise no2:my cause also has a cause and that cause has a cause too and so on
premis no 3: since this caual chain can go on for infinity hence there must exist a first cause from which everything originated

Does this menthod works?
democrites used the same kind of reasoning to predict that Atomos/Atom exist thousands of years ago

he asked a simple question to himself :what will happen if i cut a melon in two pieces and take one of the two pieces and cut it again and repeat the process?he concluded that since this process cant go on for infinity hence there must exist a particle which cant be further divided..he called this the Atomos/atom ie the elemantry particle

Zeno used his paradoxes having same reasoning to hint that plank length exist

so why did most of the famous philosopher believed in god?because its simple logic
denying god is denying simple logic (atleast if u define god the way i did)

@hebbewem @TRUE_CEL @LooksOverAll

 

[Deleted member 21182]

Problem is why would god make it so hard for us to be sure of which god is real. u could argue he won’t show himself to us because he wants to test our faith but we all universally know 2+2 is 4 with god u just gotta guess if it’s Christian catholic evangelical Muslim Hindu. And in most of these bibles it says if u don’t follow u will go to hell

 

[Ryan]

Problem is why would god make it so hard for us to be sure of which god is real. u could argue he won’t show himself to us because he wants to test our faith but we all universally know 2+2 is 4 with god u just gotta guess if it’s Christian catholic evangelical Muslim Hindu. And in most of these bibles it says if u don’t follow u will go to hell

god is real if u define him like the way i did...
its perfectly evident atleast to me that all of these religions are BS

 

[Deleted member 21182]

god is real if u define him like the way i did...
its perfectly evident atleast for me that all of these religions are BS

In that way even I believe I’m not autistic just religion makes 0 sense

 

[mogger123]

Most philosophers believed in God because it was instilled in them by society during early childhood and then they employed mental gymnastics to defend the position when they were older. That is how beliefs typically work

Regarding the cosmological argument, cause and effect were debunked a while ago so it is easy enough to dismiss entirely

 

[medialcanthuscel]

Than why I have a wrist of 15cm?

 

[Dystopian]

Tera cope to excuse your pathetic existence with a meaning
In a world we’re a 5’5 Indian and nick Bateman exists there is no god

There is only nature, and death

 

[Gonthar]

by using simple logic we can be sure god exists
premise no 1: i have a cause
premise no2:my cause also has a cause and that cause has a cause too and so on
premis no 3: since this caual chain can go on for infinity hence there must exist a first cause from which everything originated

Look at quantum level and you'll see that all logic breaks there: an effect can happen and only after that the cause appears, stuff can also happen without a cause, particles can simply appear and disappear without a reason, be in two places at the same time, etc...
The universe appears to be a just random quantum fluctuation, in an infinite amount of time any event can happen, even something as improbable as a whole universe popping out of nowhere, there's no need for God.

 

[vaseqmoherad]

Look at quantum level and you'll see that all logic breaks there: an effect can happen and only after that the cause appears, stuff can also happen without a cause, particles can simply appear and disappear without a reason, be in two places at the same time, etc...
The universe appears to be a just random quantum fluctuation, in an infinite amount of time any event can happen, even something as improbable as a whole universe popping out of nowhere, there's no need for God.

Another nigger relating science to god. they have nothing to do with each other. also quantum mechanics is not complete just like any other theory. cant explain many things even some as important as gravity. now you think it can explain meaning of universe and life?

 

[2d v2]

Most philosophers believed in God because it was instilled in them by society during early childhood and then they employed mental gymnastics to defend the position when they were older. That is how beliefs typically work

Regarding the cosmological argument, cause and effect were debunked a while ago so it is easy enough to dismiss entirely

yeah somehow science debunked that nothing can't create things, so now in logical science, things appear out of nothing.

"science".

 

[2d v2]

Another nigger relating science to god. they have nothing to do with each other. also quantum mechanics is not complete just like any other theory. cant explain many things even some as important as gravity. now you think it can explain meaning of universe and life?

no they do relate to eachother, because the only universal language is math, it is obviously the language of god. If we meet aliens, the only language we will have to communicate is math, since calculus is based on calculations which are accurate if written up properly.

 

[Ryan]

Than why I have a wrist of 15cm?

because of your genetics

 

[RAITEIII]

i see people calling god a fairy tale and an irrational idea but the irony is that most of the famous philosphers were theists/deists...
why did they believed in a god?ill try to answer in this thread

Deductive Proof of god:
first we need to define god
GOD=from which everything originated ie The first cause/the uncaused cause

by using simple logic we can be sure god exists
premise no 1: i have a cause
premise no2:my cause also has a cause and that cause has a cause too and so on
premis no 3: since this caual chain can go on for infinity hence there must exist a first cause from which everything originated

Does this menthod works?
democrites used the same kind of reasoning to predict that Atomos/Atom exist thousands of years ago

he asked a simple question to himself :what will happen if i cut a melon in two pieces and take one of the two pieces and cut it again and repeat the process?he concluded that since this process cant go on for infinity hence there must exist a particle which cant be further divided..he called this the Atomos/atom ie the elemantry particle

Zeno used his paradoxes having same reasoning to hint that plank length exist

so why did most of the famous philosopher believed in god?because its simple logic
denying god is denying simple logic (atleast if u define god the way i did)

@hebbewem @TRUE_CEL @LooksOverAll

This concept and the type of God people have in mind are not the same.

 

[mogger123]

yeah somehow science debunked that nothing can't create things, so now in logical science, things appear out of nothing.

"science".

What, no?

Debunked by philosophy. Read Hume. Causation is an invention of the human mind, not something tangible that we can directly experience.

" Hume shows that experience does not tell us much. Of two events, A and B, we say that A causes B when the two always occur together, that is, are constantly conjoined. Whenever we find A, we also find B, and we have a certainty that this conjunction will continue to happen. Once we realize that “A must bring about B” is tantamount merely to “Due to their constant conjunction, we are psychologically certain that B will follow A”, then we are left with a very weak notion of necessity."

 

[2d v2]

What, no?

Debunked by philosophy. Read Hume. Causation is an invention of the human mind, not something tangible that we can directly experience.

" Hume shows that experience does not tell us much. Of two events, A and B, we say that A causes B when the two always occur together, that is, are constantly conjoined. Whenever we find A, we also find B, and we have a certainty that this conjunction will continue to happen. Once we realize that “A must bring about B” is tantamount merely to “Due to their constant conjunction, we are psychologically certain that B will follow A”, then we are left with a very weak notion of necessity."

yeah so magic is real in science

 

[mogger123]

yeah so magic is real in science

?

 

[Ryan]

What, no?

Debunked by philosophy. Read Hume. Causation is an invention of the human mind, not something tangible that we can directly experience.

" Hume shows that experience does not tell us much. Of two events, A and B, we say that A causes B when the two always occur together, that is, are constantly conjoined. Whenever we find A, we also find B, and we have a certainty that this conjunction will continue to happen. Once we realize that “A must bring about B” is tantamount merely to “Due to their constant conjunction, we are psychologically certain that B will follow A”, then we are left with a very weak notion of necessity."

this reasoning literrly discards whole of "science"

 

[mogger123]

this reasoning literrly discards whole of "science"

No it doesn't, read Popper. Science is only about falsifiability, not about "truth"

 

[mogger123]

This concept and the type of God people have in mind are not the same.

This too. I'm not even opposed to the existence of a deity or first cause. But it's cageworthy that a) they think they can just logically prove the fundamental nature of the universe using a couple of made up concepts and b) this God just so happens to be the one from their favourite religion

 

[Magical Apple]

i see people calling god a fairy tale and an irrational idea but the irony is that most of the famous philosphers were theists/deists...
why did they believed in a god?ill try to answer in this thread

Deductive Proof of god:
first we need to define god
GOD=from which everything originated ie The first cause/the uncaused cause

by using simple logic we can be sure god exists
premise no 1: i have a cause
premise no2:my cause also has a cause and that cause has a cause too and so on
premis no 3: since this caual chain can go on for infinity hence there must exist a first cause from which everything originated

Does this menthod works?
democrites used the same kind of reasoning to predict that Atomos/Atom exist thousands of years ago

he asked a simple question to himself :what will happen if i cut a melon in two pieces and take one of the two pieces and cut it again and repeat the process?he concluded that since this process cant go on for infinity hence there must exist a particle which cant be further divided..he called this the Atomos/atom ie the elemantry particle

Zeno used his paradoxes having same reasoning to hint that plank length exist

so why did most of the famous philosopher believed in god?because its simple logic
denying god is denying simple logic (atleast if u define god the way i did)

@hebbewem @TRUE_CEL @LooksOverAll

Defining an uncaused cause as god is fine and good but giving such a process a bunch of arbitrary atributes is pointless.

 

[Deleted member 24586]

Based and mashallahpilled bhai I'm mirin this post

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

I know exists by feeling His presence when I worship Him.

 

[Esteban1997]

Sometimes it's hard for me to believe in god when all I went through was suffering

 

[RAITEIII]

This too. I'm not even opposed to the existence of a deity or first cause. But it's cageworthy that a) they think they can just logically prove the fundamental nature of the universe using a couple of made up concepts and b) this God just so happens to be the one from their favourite religion

If there's a God. There's only one. Holy writings have differences, and each of these claim to have had a prophet with close contact to God. Which is simply false and delusional.

I have had experiences that make me believe in God. Such as seeing shadows before something bad happens. Premonitory dreams where I see someone I didn't know, or some place, or something happens, or something that is happening. Then in the future it's the same. I'm like wtf? There's also the fact that sometimes I could feel people's aura. As in, if someone is mad at me. Somehow even if it all looked apparently, just by standing next to them I could feel it. So I do believe in energy and by extension I know that there are things we cannot see.

But one thing is certain incidents and a whole different is claiming that you have some supernatural ability to constantly communicate with God and produce such books. That is BULLSHIT. That's nothing but you following someone's philosophy. And you want to reach and call it holy and divinely provided. Nah fam.

It's hardly debatable gods actions in our world. Even the so called spirituality can be a brain trick...

 

[RAITEIII]

Sometimes it's hard for me to believe in god when all I went through was suffering

At the same time this is the very same reason why I believe in the supernatural. How can ALL that shit be just chance? My life seems like a tragic movie. But I'm stopping caring and willing to be crazier than this crazy plot. I will fog

 

[Kylo]

Anyone who suggests Deductive Reasoning for God is not valid is low iq by definition.

And it’s rational to believe in a Supremely Perfect Necessary Being. The greatest thinkers arrived to this conclusion via deductive reasoning a-prior (logic alone) or a posteriori (from observation around us) in fact.

 

[JovenCansao]

Damn bro
So you'd worship a fucking atom or some shit?

 

[BearBoy]

God is real sure but religions were made up by penises

 

[Ghost Philosophy]

Very nice, a fellow Islamic philosopher.

 

[Youssef08]

Another nigger relating science to god. they have nothing to do with each other. also quantum mechanics is not complete just like any other theory. cant explain many things even some as important as gravity. now you think it can explain meaning of universe and life?

Gravity is not real

 

[Sleeper]

The best argument for the existence of God is that the elites are all satanists and legit believe in it. The people with the most power, wealth, control and access to secrets and knowledge that 99% of the populous will never have access to, all wholeheartedly believe in demons and devil worship. So while the concepts of most religions and God might not be as straightforward as what we learn today, there is most likely some level of truth to some aspects of it

 

[Tom Jones]

I don’t think most western philosophers believe in god.
Most are smarter than that

 

[Deleted member 17872]

What, no?

Debunked by philosophy. Read Hume. Causation is an invention of the human mind, not something tangible that we can directly experience.

" Hume shows that experience does not tell us much. Of two events, A and B, we say that A causes B when the two always occur together, that is, are constantly conjoined. Whenever we find A, we also find B, and we have a certainty that this conjunction will continue to happen. Once we realize that “A must bring about B” is tantamount merely to “Due to their constant conjunction, we are psychologically certain that B will follow A”, then we are left with a very weak notion of necessity."

occasionalism goes way beyond Hume

 

[Deleted member 17872]

No it doesn't, read Popper. Science is only about falsifiability, not about "truth"

Are still believing in the "falsifiability" myth in 2023?

The Idea That a Scientific Theory Can Be 'Falsified' Is a Myth

It’s time we abandoned the notion

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Mediterranean]

Even if god is real the next question that arises is, ‘which god?’ and at that point your argument fails because there are over 2000 religions claiming their god or deity is the true one, so really you cant win.

If you only consider the 3 main Abrahamic religions they all believe in a different holy figure with different teachings etc. If god is real the chance of you worshipping the correct one is extremely slim

 

[Elvisandreaa]

Are still believing in the "falsifiability" myth in 2023?

The Idea That a Scientific Theory Can Be 'Falsified' Is a Myth

It’s time we abandoned the notion

www.scientificamerican.com

Mirin negga, didn't know you were knowledgeable in philosophy of science/religion

 

[Orc]

if god was real curries wouldn't exist.

 

[Tom Jones]

Even if god is real the next question that arises is, ‘which god?’ and at that point your argument fails because there are over 2000 religions claiming their god or deity is the true one, so really you cant win.

If you only consider the 3 main Abrahamic religions they all believe in a different holy figure with different teachings etc. If god is real the chance of you worshipping the correct one is extremely slim

Yea. Who knows how many religions there have been. Most probably contained to small tribes predating any scripture. Wonder what happened to them

 

[mogger123]

occasionalism goes way beyond Hume

cool?

Are still believing in the "falsifiability" myth in 2023?

The Idea That a Scientific Theory Can Be 'Falsified' Is a Myth

It’s time we abandoned the notion

www.scientificamerican.com

it's the best model of science there is. but as feyerabend says, "anything goes"

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Another nigger relating science to god. they have nothing to do with each other. also quantum mechanics is not complete just like any other theory. cant explain many things even some as important as gravity. now you think it can explain meaning of universe and life?

So because we don't yet have sufficent knowledge some all knowing omnipotent being is the correct answer? JFL
That is more plausible to you? Some divine being.

 

[Deleted member 17872]

cool?


it's the best model of science there is. but as feyerabend says, "anything goes"

i don't think science is that ineffective. I have more faith in science

 

[mogger123]

i don't think science is that ineffective. I have more faith in science

?

what model of science is better?

 

[Tom Jones]

So because we don't yet have sufficent knowledge some all knowing omnipotent being is the correct answer? JFL
That is more plausible to you? Some divine being.

Especially if it some of the Abrahamic religions god you believe in with all the BS in scripture.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

yeah somehow science debunked that nothing can't create things, so now in logical science, things appear out of nothing.

"science".

Physics is merely trying to understand and explain how the universe behaves using mathematics and repeatable experiments. It's not a blelief system you should have faith in because someone told you to. Anyone can acquire the necessary knowledge and then experimentally repeat what others have claimed and arrive at the same results.

How do you think the computer you are sitting at works? By faith?

 

[Tom Jones]

Physics is merely trying to understand and explain how the universe behaves using mathematics and repeatable experiments. It's not a blelief system you should have faith in because someone told you to. Anyone can acquire the necessary knowledge and then experimentally repeat what others have claimed and arrive at the same results.

How do you think the computer you are sitting at works? By faith?

It was willed upon the creators of the computer by God to make his creation. Faith computer.

 

[Deleted member 17872]

?

what model of science is better?

Thomas Kuhn had a way better model fo starters

 

[Clown Show]

 

[mogger123]

Thomas Kuhn had a way better model fo starters

his work is an indirect admission of defeat and just lays the groundwork for feyerabend imo

 

[Deleted member 17872]

his work is an indirect admission of defeat and just lays the groundwork for feyerabend imo

Your opinion is wrong, Kuhn's work is more of a direct admission of the fact that we should treat science as a method instead of the method. We cannot wholly know the truth but we can get have a better measure of our ignorance. To treat science as falsification is to deny science altogether.

 

[Cali Yuga]

god is real

god isreal

coincidence?