Good-looking men are abundant, and "shy chad" is a meme

So what I'm trying to say basically, is that it's worse than you are currently imagining, and even a chad has to put in tons of work
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but at this point the PSL/looks theory is falling apart (at least for me).

The level of which you are talking about cannot be reached to looskmaxing - it would be extremely rare, did it even happen in PSL history that someone ascended to that level of a chad?

Like, what does that mean for me? I know I can improve my looks, maybe even significantly - but I never will be 6'3 with a perfect face.

Is the looks theory even valid for men as a strategy to get laid then? Because I do agree with you, the level of looks to actually get attention is insanely high, and a HTN won't cut it, as I said, there's plenty of them around.
It’s not the premise that most can’t looksmaxx to Chad’s level, is the fact that hypergamy have skyrocketed into unprecedented levels. As guys, there’s only you can do until you can’t do no more to improve your looks.

You can’t hack a foid’s brain. Sure, they might give you IOIs and sleep with your good looks, but they don’t even know what they want from one minute to the next. You might be GL but then she might cuck you with an uglier dude, or worse, with a hobo bigger :lul::lul::lul:

 
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I agree with the fact that there is no shortage of good looking men.

But a lot of these guys are very high inhb and beta. Some guys are just not built to slay.

You have to also consider other factors. Contrary to most people's beliefs on here, behavior and pheno can be make or break factors

For example

If you posses a certain pheno which one girls prefers, this can bump your rating by 1. It also goes the other way, if a girl does not like your pheno, you will lose one point.

Same goes for behavior, a girl can be attracted to either loud extroverted jocks or introverted sensitive pussies, this can also alter her perception of you by one point.

Consider a scenario where a girl likes Nerdics who are loud extroverts, life of the party types
In the vicinity there are two guys, a HTN loud Nerdic jock and a quiet, shy, med clean cut chad

Suddenly the perceived rating for the Nerdic is +2, and the perceived rating for the med chad is -2. The Nerdic is bumped up to Chad tier and the Med down to HTN tier

@Chadethnic101
this could be very well what's happening, because where I live, everyone has a very good looking pheno - blue or green eyes are not even a halo here, meanwhile on this forum blue eyes will get you ethnics jerking you off.

So it could be possible that based on the standards I have acquired, I'm overrating the guys here just due to their pheno.

I am talking from personal experience and how I am treated in real life. Women pay first class flights to Miami for me, I get bottles that cost 4K euros as gifts from them and have a huge social network with important people based on looks alone.
That's your lived experience, so I'm not going to disagree - I also don't have a problem with it at all, what I have a problem with is that even great looking guys irl aren't considered attractive. That even an average woman will is attractive, while even a highly above average man isn't. So many guys who would get rated well, and yet they themselves don't even know.

The gigachads you're talking about are not even that relevant to me tbh, of course there will always be someone in the top echelons, either looks, money or status, but it's a waste of time and mental energy to worry about someone so far remvoed from my life.

But a lot of these guys are very high inhb and beta. Some guys are just not built to slay.
what I've noticed, that a certain level of status is needed to be a slayer in all cases - imagine a common situation, a social circle is at some event together - you have the core few people who organize and are higher status (usually have known each other for years), then you have people who frequent the group but are not core, and then people on the outskirts, who have been invited because why not

to slay, I'd say you need to be in the core group, or at least close to it, because if you're not and you want to go after a girl that's there and available, you will most likely be stepping on someone's toes - if that happens you could instantly be cast away from that group aka harming your social life.
thoughts?
 
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this could be very well what's happening, because where I live, everyone has a very good looking pheno - blue or green eyes are not even a halo here, meanwhile on this forum blue eyes will get you ethnics jerking you off.

So it could be possible that based on the standards I have acquired, I'm overrating the guys here just due to their pheno.


That's your lived experience, so I'm not going to disagree - I also don't have a problem with it at all, what I have a problem with is that even great looking guys irl aren't considered attractive. That even an average woman will is attractive, while even a highly above average man isn't. So many guys who would get rated well, and yet they themselves don't even know.

The gigachads you're talking about are not even that relevant to me tbh, of course there will always be someone in the top echelons, either looks, money or status, but it's a waste of time and mental energy to worry about someone so far remvoed from my life.


what I've noticed, that a certain level of status is needed to be a slayer in all cases - imagine a common situation, a social circle is at some event together - you have the core few people who organize and are higher status (usually have known each other for years), then you have people who frequent the group but are not core, and then people on the outskirts, who have been invited because why not

to slay, I'd say you need to be in the core group, or at least close to it, because if you're not and you want to go after a girl that's there and available, you will most likely be stepping on someone's toes - if that happens you could instantly be cast away from that group aka harming your social life.
thoughts?
That’s true yes.

But the problem is not coming from women, but mostly from men.

If guys were respecting themselves and actually rejecting girls below their looks levels this wouldn’t happen.

I find it ironic that incels blame women for this phenomenon when the ones responsible for this are themselves by giving attention to every girl that is whoring around on social media.

Millions of guys thirsting in dms and commenting on their posts with no self respect whatsoever. I find that disgusting and those are the men that I smack in real life.
 
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Imma develop on your point

In college (so young people only) out of a 30k students university, there’s only like 10 guys who actually get pretty much 90% of the girls on campus
. The others have to cope with alcohol and social circles.

Trust me, if you were good looking you would see the difference yourself.
what a bunch bs
10 sleep with thousands of women in that university apparently. How is that even possible in a timespan of a degree. Do they fuck one everyday.
i thought you were intelligent guess not
 
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So unless the girl is whole leagues below the looks of our "shy ex-incel chad", she's not gonna chase after him, after all, there are other chads that are as appealing lookswise, but they also have all the other traits which he does not.
This is true. If you want your looksmatch you can't act like people on here act. You can't play the "feminine" role and succeed.
 
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what a bunch bs
10 sleep with thousands of women in that university apparently. How is that even possible in a timespan of a degree. Do they fuck one everyday.
i thought you were intelligent guess not

I won’t call you stupid but you’re not far from it.

Do you actually believe that 15k girls (half of the 30k) are getting laid?

Most of them are ugly as fuck and the good looking dudes wouldn’t touch them with a ten feet pole.

Sometimes people need explanation on basic reading comprehension skills. It’s baffling.
 
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what a bunch bs
10 sleep with thousands of women in that university apparently. How is that even possible in a timespan of a degree. Do they fuck one everyday.
i thought you were intelligent guess not
It's definitely possible, but you'd have to actively pursue it. when I was at uni I was going out at least 4 nights a week to clubs or house parties plus using all the dating apps with premium jfl

There were some weeks I slayed 3-5 different girls within the week. Although it was too much effort to maintain so I usually had 2 girls in rotation for like 2 months and then find new ones with some ONS in between

This is when I wasn't fully maxxed out either, my OLD pics were shit, my instagram was shit and I was inexperienced in escalating. I have ascended massively in all areas since then, It would be a lot higher now.

Although back then I was obsessed with slaying due to my inceldom growing up
 
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It's possible, when I was at uni I was going out at least 4 nights a week to clubs or house parties plus using all the dating apps

There were some weeks I slayed 3-5 different girls within the week. Although it was too much effort to maintain so I usually had 2 girls in rotation for like 2-3 months and then find new ones

This is when I wasn't fully maxxed out either, my OLD pics were shit and I was inexperienced. It would be a lot higher now
I had a new girl every time I went out in college. And that was 6 nights a week. Literally group chats with girls only where they would ask if I’m free on a given night.

It’s even easier to do this in college since people gossip like crazy and rumours fly around fast giving you a reputation that is highly admired by women because they think you’re the shit.

This was for 3 years straight
 
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That’s true yes.

But the problem is not coming from women, but mostly from men.

If guys were respecting themselves and actually rejecting girls below their looks levels this wouldn’t happen.

I find it ironic that incels blame women for this phenomenon when the ones responsible for this are themselves by giving attention to every girl that is whoring around on social media.

Millions of guys thirsting in dms and commenting on their posts with no self respect whatsoever. I find that disgusting and those are the men that I smack in real life.
I think it's just the result of the fact that women want men way less than men want women - women are perfectly content to live the "single life"
Women's value as a human is not based on how much sex she can have, and she does not have such a strong biological imperative to fuck and have relationships as men (aka testosterone and others). Men are also raised and socialized to serve women, but that's a topic for another time.

So then you have a good % of women that do not seek contact with men at all or very little - leaving the ratio skewed, and even those that do interact with men have a way loser libido, essentially creating a massive value or worth imbalance, where some men cope by acting like dogs. I myself personally don't blame these guys, because often their upbringing (especially female members of the family) damages them and makes them prone to this behavior.

And I can't even say they're wholly wrong tbh, the way we're heading is that paying for female attention and time will become more and more normalized (right now it's restricted to sexual only through OF)
 
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I live in Bordeaux and Paris, so the average population is by default better looking because of better life conditions and diet. Even then, you don’t see 6’3 broad shouldered guys with athletic bodies and classically handsome faces at every corner of the street. You barely meet one or two per week
>Paris
It's a massive shithole
 
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I won’t call you stupid but you’re not far from it.

Do you actually believe that 15k girls (half of the 30k) are getting laid?

Most of them are ugly as fuck and the good looking dudes wouldn’t touch them with a ten feet pole.

Sometimes people need explanation on basic reading comprehension skills. It’s baffling.
You said 90 percent of women on the campus get with 10 guys. Thats what you wrote.
Now you said they only fuck the hot ones.
You are contradicting yourself.
 
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You said 90 percent of women on the campus get with 10 guys. Thats what you wrote.
Now you said they only fuck the hot ones.
You are contradicting yourself.
90% of the fuckable women who are on the sex market. Not landwhales that are studying IT
 
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it's relative (mainly depends where you live)
 
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I am talking from personal experience and how I am treated in real life. Women pay first class flights to Miami for me, I get bottles that cost 4K euros as gifts from them and have a huge social network with important people based on looks alone.
How did you build that network? Just going out to clubs and getting indirectly connected via the women you sleep with?
 
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How did you build that network? Just going out to clubs and getting indirectly connected via the women you sleep with?
Going to bars clubs etc and being social.
 
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I agree with the fact that there is no shortage of good looking men.

But a lot of these guys are very high inhb and beta. Some guys are just not built to slay.

You have to also consider other factors. Contrary to most people's beliefs on here, behavior and pheno can be make or break factors

For example

If you posses a certain pheno which one girls prefers, this can bump your rating by 1. It also goes the other way, if a girl does not like your pheno, you will lose one point.

Same goes for behavior, a girl can be attracted to either loud extroverted jocks or introverted sensitive pussies, this can also alter her perception of you by one point.

Consider a scenario where a girl likes Nerdics who are loud extroverts, life of the party types
In the vicinity there are two guys, a HTN loud Nerdic jock and a quiet, shy, med clean cut chad

Suddenly the perceived rating for the Nerdic is +2, and the perceived rating for the med chad is -2. The Nerdic is bumped up to Chad tier and the Med down to HTN tier

@Chadethnic101
Exactly shit isn't so clear cut like people on here assume

Girls defo have types and yes their type maybe a dalit Sudra as seen at incelcon jfl
And in her eyes he is much better looking to her than potentially a HTN white lmao
 
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Imma develop on your point

In college (so young people only) out of a 30k students university, there’s only like 10 guys who actually get pretty much 90% of the girls on campus. The others have to cope with alcohol and social circles.

Trust me, if you were good looking you would see the difference yourself.
Just ask your Chad friend to show you his tinder matches and texts. You’d be mind blown.
 
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Just ask your Chad friend to show you his tinder matches and texts. You’d be mind blown.
I don’t have to, I can look at my own.
 
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Imma develop on your point

In college (so young people only) out of a 30k students university, there’s only like 10 guys who actually get pretty much 90% of the girls on campus. The others have to cope with alcohol and social circles.

Trust me, if you were good looking you would see the difference yourself.
 
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Nuke this earth pls
 
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Just be the perfect package bro!
 
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Perhaps in an environment like some stupid job, where you are the only GL guy around will have women giving you the special treatment aka approaching, sending strong signals etc, but in a more normal environment with many young people even GL guys are invisible.

I see so many guys with traits that this forum would cream their fucking pans for (colored perfect hunter eyes, good ratios & harmony, or little failos in general), and noone even acknowledges it - they are just as invisible as all others.

So what I'm trying to say basically, is that it's worse than you are currently imagining, and even a chad has to put in tons of work, of course he has it better than a normie or a subhuman - but they're not even in the game, are they?
I just saw a bunch of girls giving this white, fit 6'2 white maesthetic chadlite special favours today
 
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I will never be the perfect package so I give up on women tbh
yeah, if there's no chance for you to looksmax into chad then it's the only option you've got

I just saw a bunch of girls giving this white, fit 6'2 white maesthetic chadlite special favours today
I never see this
sorry
I see women treating GL men just as all others, perhaps that is the special treatment compared to what subhumans get
 
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yeah, if there's no chance for you to looksmax into chad then it's the only option you've got


I never see this
sorry
I see women treating GL men just as all others, perhaps that is the special treatment compared to what subhumans get
They were offering him favours.
 
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I disagree. I think it has to do more with location than anything else. I live in the U.S. and when I open up an Amos account, I literally seen subhumans, low/mid tier white normies, and other deathnics.

Maybe somewhere with a higher density population like NYC or LA you’ll start seeing people like you describing, but not in the southern U.S. :lul::lul::lul:
i wanna move to the south and get me a girl w a butterfly tattoo also southern accent is adorable
 
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Insane cope . You’ve never been really gl if this is how you think it works. Bro at chadlite levels women will stare at you everywhere , some will spy on you to get your snap insta ( if they’re not confident enough to approach) some will approach etc. remember this is all happening just cause ur looks not cause status something u did etc. incredibly bluepilled post
it gives me giga anxiety when i can feel a girl staring at me, even if its a clear mire. high inhibcel tbh
 
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I agree in that "shy" chad doesn't exist. They're all quite social, some are non-normies though. I knew a Chad who browsed 4chan lmao.
 
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I agree in that "shy" chad doesn't exist. They're all quite social, some are non-normies though. I knew a Chad who browsed 4chan lmao.
@Xangsane Stop jfl reacting my perfectly normal posts you absolute faggot.
 
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Good looks are binary. Once you’re above a certain threshold you’re set and bound to hookup with somebody in any social environment unless you’re competing for top 1% Dubai visiting supermodels
 
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I think it's just the result of the fact that women want men way less than men want women - women are perfectly content to live the "single life"
Women's value as a human is not based on how much sex she can have, and she does not have such a strong biological imperative to fuck and have relationships as men (aka testosterone and others). Men are also raised and socialized to serve women, but that's a topic for another time.

So then you have a good % of women that do not seek contact with men at all or very little - leaving the ratio skewed, and even those that do interact with men have a way loser libido, essentially creating a massive value or worth imbalance, where some men cope by acting like dogs. I myself personally don't blame these guys, because often their upbringing (especially female members of the family) damages them and makes them prone to this behavior.

And I can't even say they're wholly wrong tbh, the way we're heading is that paying for female attention and time will become more and more normalized (right now it's restricted to sexual only through OF)
A lot of women admit they can't really be alone/sexless long term, some say they may be perceived as "strong and independent" (real exist, but rarer), but deep inside they strongly need validation and attention, affection and they may substitute it with "surrogate" forms.
 
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I agree in that "shy" chad doesn't exist. They're all quite social, some are non-normies though. I knew a Chad who browsed 4chan lmao.
I meant it in the way that good looks won't compensate for weak personality to women on and around your level
a shy chad won't get stacy, he'll get an average girl

A lot of women admit they can't really be alone/sexless long term, some say they may be perceived as "strong and independent" (real exist, but rarer), but deep inside they strongly need validation and attention, affection and they may substitute it with "surrogate" forms.
yes, there are plenty of ways for a woman to fill that need (which is nowhere as big as it is for men) without having to get an actual boyfriend
one of the many ways society is decaying today
 
nah bro when i was in france i saw algerian chads
Not really, below average and above average have the same % i d say but top tier genetic is rare

It depends tho : indians, asians, north african, africans are all on average worse looking than white people, in France atleast. If average white guy is a 5/10 there, the average ethnic 4/10 because lot seem inbred NGL

Chad is mostly a meme, like 20% of young people are htn/chadlite and i see them everyday, real chad is 1% or less
 
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This thread reminded me of a chad lite 8% body fat fucking his GF at work and she came back sweaty and smelling like a fucking fish

Xdxdxdxdxd
 
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Ofc it’s not like they strip in front of them Jfl. But they do give them the benefit of doubt in Convos flirt more often w them much more likely to accept a date etc the list goes on. You won’t know until ur gl I’ve never been that gl either but standards in india are low and w my height and losing some weight let me the tell u the difference is stark and once I lean down and softmax filly I’m expecting it to be a different world
I knew you were Indian you curry piece of shit never larp as Iranian ever again you fucking curry bastard
 
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Yeah, if you are looking it from an IRL standpoint. You might not see it as you don't know behind the scenes. What I can tell you is that if you are good looking as I know a Chad who I helped sign up his Tinder a few weeks ago and is getting multiple slays now and is reaching @Niko69 territory in slay count in the time frame all thanks to Tinder. All girls are beyond Chadstruck for his looks, but he is 6 PSL though. I wouldn't really see difference though from a logical standpoint from treatment from Niko and him though as the end game is still smash. Maybe more compliments, but yeah lol. It's definitely huge in terms of treatment as girls are DTF and down. Many even give favors and help you out as well. It's great. Have you ever done a Chadfish?
 
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Have you ever done a Chadfish?
No, but from my IRL experience the vast majority (and all the good quality) women are not on tinder - they just don't need to be, their social life is plenty enough. From my IRL experience, women seem to fuck for status & lifestyle way more than this forum thinks.

Yes, you're right, I don't have that inside experience, and also I don't have an experience with a "true chad", like averagejoe said there's not that many of them, but there is a fuck ton guys who are really GL, they are not quite the 6.5 psl level, but I really don't think a girl would pick a random "chad" off the tinder over one that's from her social group but is not quite as chadly
 
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No, but from my IRL experience the vast majority (and all the good quality) women are not on tinder - they just don't need to be, their social life is plenty enough. From my IRL experience, women seem to fuck for status & lifestyle way more than this forum thinks.

Yes, you're right, I don't have that inside experience, and also I don't have an experience with a "true chad", like averagejoe said there's not that many of them, but there is a fuck ton guys who are really GL, they are not quite the 6.5 psl level, but I really don't think a girl would pick a random "chad" off the tinder over one that's from her social group but is not quite as chadly

High IQ,especially the part about quality women not being on Tinder,thats also something I've said on here before
and got pushback lol.

Most of the better quality women these days seem to either source dates from irl/work or Instagram through their
work/friends/colleagues by proxy
 
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No, but from my IRL experience the vast majority (and all the good quality) women are not on tinder - they just don't need to be, their social life is plenty enough. From my IRL experience, women seem to fuck for status & lifestyle way more than this forum thinks.

Yes, you're right, I don't have that inside experience, and also I don't have an experience with a "true chad", like averagejoe said there's not that many of them, but there is a fuck ton guys who are really GL, they are not quite the 6.5 psl level, but I really don't think a girl would pick a random "chad" off the tinder over one that's from her social group but is not quite as chadly
That's possible in regards to what you said on Tinder, but it doesn't matter anyways if they are on or not. Just smash the women that are on lol.

Lol, that's possible, but doesn't matter really. You already make the confirmations through Tinder anyways before meeting up in regards to what the plans are. The choosing will be done before meeting up anyways. Also, 6.5 PSL is ridiculously high. My friend who is 6 PSL never had guys who facially mog them like ever lmao, and I never really had that and I'm 5.5 PSL. I feel like guys though who are normies should rely on IRL for the most part for better success. That's how it's normally done for normies as well.
 
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That's possible in regards to what you said on Tinder, but it doesn't matter anyways if they are on or not. Just smash the women that are on lol.
I'd argue with you this, that involving yourself with the flaky bpd whores on tinder is just not the most efficient strategy both trying to get laid and trying to get into a relationship
+ you're only gonna see the worst of women on there

Lol, that's possible, but doesn't matter really. You already make the confirmations through Tinder anyways before meeting up in regards to what the plans are. The choosing will be done before meeting up anyways. Also, 6.5 PSL is ridiculously high. My friend who is 6 PSL never had guys who facially mog them like ever lmao, and I never really had that and I'm 5.5 PSL. I feel like guys though who are normies should rely on IRL for the most part for better success. That's how it's normally done for normies as well.
I said 6.5 psl, but the number itself doesent really matter, I mean everyone has a different perception and rates differently, I just wanted to convey the general thought, that like averagejoe said "perfect" chads are super rare, but the next best thing isn't
what do you rate @Niko69 ? Is he the level of a chad that girls "chadstruck" for? Because while he is really GL, the whole point of my post is basically that when I was out on a festival I was shocked by the % of guys who were on niko's level or close to it

so what I want to say is that it's not like women lose their mind like this forum thinks when they see a gl guy, they are rare, but they are not that rare
 
I'd argue with you this, that involving yourself with the flaky bpd whores on tinder is just not the most efficient strategy both trying to get laid and trying to get into a relationship
+ you're only gonna see the worst of women on there


I said 6.5 psl, but the number itself doesent really matter, I mean everyone has a different perception and rates differently, I just wanted to convey the general thought, that like averagejoe said "perfect" chads are super rare, but the next best thing isn't
what do you rate @Niko69 ? Is he the level of a chad that girls "chadstruck" for? Because while he is really GL, the whole point of my post is basically that when I was out on a festival I was shocked by the % of guys who were on niko's level or close to it

so what I want to say is that it's not like women lose their mind like this forum thinks when they see a gl guy, they are rare, but they are not that rare
Not really. Flake rate is very low for Tinder. @Niko69 can confirm his flake rate was next to nothing practically, and my Chad friend didn't really have flakes as well. It definitely is the most efficient strategy to get laid, hands down. Niko can confirm this, my Chad friend, and myself included lol. You can just be selective and pick the women, but I actually see the best kind of women on Tinder in terms of looks and personality compared to IRL. This is my experience as I can be choosy in terms of preselection such as vibing, checking their looks, and so on. I can't do the same IRL as when I enter the club or bar. The looks can vary of who I can choose compared to OLD having the entire city combine with messaging text beforehand along with facetime before meeting if you to go that extra mile so when I meet in person. We should vibe well as we already did online. Also, I don't even have proper ELO on Tinder yet due to some algorithm errors that me and @Nims had deal with, but still can be busy at some degree. That says a lot. Once I get decent or galaxy elo with @Niko69, it's game over of how much OLD mogs.

Who cares about being perfect Chad? The life quality and treatment is practically same as I don't even see a difference of my friend in terms of treatment and quality of chicks to smash from 6 PSL and Niko who is around 5 PSL in terms of Tinder. That's nice, but the girls who will swipe and message you will have attraction, and can pick the girls who are Chadstruck as Niko got people mentioning thinking he's catfish or really good looking. I did too, so I'm so confused. Just pick the girls who show investment and interest before meeting up.

It doesn't matter if they are rare or not. Just enjoy life and who gives a damn. You are only young once. Stop complaining and coping. Just enjoy life.
 
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Not really. Flake rate is very low for Tinder. @Niko69 can confirm his flake rate was next to nothing practically, and my Chad friend didn't really have flakes as well. It definitely is the most efficient strategy to get laid, hands down. Niko can confirm this, my Chad friend, and myself included lol. You can just be selective and pick the women, but I actually see the best kind of women on Tinder in terms of looks and personality compared to IRL. This is my experience as I can be choosy in terms of preselection such as vibing, checking their looks, and so on. I can't do the same IRL as when I enter the club or bar. The looks can vary of who I can choose compared to OLD having the entire city combine with messaging text beforehand along with facetime before meeting if you to go that extra mile so when I meet in person. We should vibe well as we already did online. Also, I don't even have proper ELO on Tinder yet due to some algorithm errors that me and @Nims had deal with, but still can be busy at some degree. That says a lot. Once I get decent or galaxy elo with @Niko69, it's game over of how much OLD mogs.

Who cares about being perfect Chad? The life quality and treatment is practically same as I don't even see a difference of my friend in terms of treatment and quality of chicks to smash from 6 PSL and Niko who is around 5 PSL in terms of Tinder. That's nice, but the girls who will swipe and message you will have attraction, and can pick the girls who are Chadstruck as Niko got people mentioning thinking he's catfish or really good looking. I did too, so I'm so confused. Just pick the girls who show investment and interest before meeting up.

It doesn't matter if they are rare or not. Just enjoy life and who gives a damn. You are only young once. Stop complaining and coping. Just enjoy life.
Roughly what does your friend look like?
 
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