Good or retarded roid stack?

[Doom0]

Currently 15.5 years old 16% bodyfat 67.2kg 182 cm, using reta to get lean, want to hop on test, tell me if this is retarded or not, been lifting for a decent while on and off and got the basics of dieting and training down.

MAIN GOAL: Build muscle and get a nice physique
Secondary goal: Dimorphic features such as a leaner face, deeper voice, broader features (body), Longer height duration (cuz of AI), etc

Get lean first (10-13% Bodyfat)

THEN 500 test for 12-20 weeks Aromasin 2-3 weeks after injecting test if needed (start at 5mg EOD and taper upwards if sides) Will first inject 2x a week
then slowly up the injection dose every week till im injecting daily

5mg minoxidil and ru58411 for hair loss (no family history)

Benzoyl peroxide+topical Tretinoin for my acne and to prevent any on cycle (will eventually switch to taz if i can tolerate and might add Accutane if it gets bad)

Creatine for extra gains

Will bulk till cycle ends and lift a ton.

AFTER BLAST Will drop down to a trt dosage (150-250 test) Will be in caloric deficit using 0.5 mg Retatrutide (dose up if hunger)20mg anavar dosed daily for 12-15 weeks during the cut

PCT: Will pct after my puberty IF I want to have children using HcG and something like clomid to get my testosterone back up and functioning

Now i have some questions, Do i have to start injecting daily and is it a good idea or should i just slowly ramp up? (start with 2x a week and up injection freq every week), im also pretty afraid of this having a bad effect on my HPA axis and fertility wise since i do want children later on and am not sure if i want to stay on test for life. Also pretty afraid of side effects but i feel like i should be fine since its just 500 test and i got some things against them. I also have some gyno and do want to take something like raloxifine for it but i dont know how that works exactly.

and with is it retarded im talking about the stack itself not about the roid usage, I couldnt care less if you think a 15.5 year old shouldnt get on gear i need to fix this death tier frame ASAP and will do anything to reach that goal.

Budget is very tight right now im just getting the basics such as the roids themselves, Hair support, slight acne support, etc, otherwise i would've added more i also need to jobmaxx.

 

[Doom0]

Test e btw

 

[Doom0]

Bump

 

[Lonely]

It’s okay

 

[Doom0]

It’s okay

anything to change? What could make this good

 

[Lonely]

anything to change? What could make this good

Don’t use RU

Take Var during your blast, not your cut

 

[Doom0]

@Etson

 

[Doom0]

Don’t use RU

Take Var during your blast, not your cut

i heard var is good for muscle preservation so i thought that would be the best option while cutting, thats probably the only reason why i would want to use it, or for the small amount of studies which show elevated height growth velo

 

[Lonely]

i heard var is good for muscle preservation so i thought that would be the best option while cutting, thats probably the only reason why i would want to use it, or for the small amount of studies which show elevated height growth velo

Why do you need muscle preservation during your cut on 200mg Test without going below 10% body fat

Even if you were natty you’d lose basically no muscle much less on superhuman levels of Test

Better to use it to gain muscle which is the actual hard part of bodybuilding

Even if you believe in the height stuff it’d still be better used in a positive energy balance

 

[BobDaDa]

It’s okay

this nigga is natty

 

[Lonely]

this nigga is natty

I’m a natty vegan calisthenics athlete. So what?

 

[Doom0]

Why do you need muscle preservation during your cut on 200mg Test without going below 10% body fat

Even if you were natty you’d lose basically no muscle much less on superhuman levels of Test

Better to use it to gain muscle which is the actual hard part of bodybuilding

Even if you believe in the height stuff it’d still be better used in a positive energy balance

so either take it during cycle or dont take it at all?

 

[Lonely]

so either take it during cycle or dont take it at all?

I mean you can take it during a cut if you really wanna

I just don’t think orals are good generally

 

[BobDaDa]

so either take it during cycle or dont take it at all?

im on var rn and im gonna tell u that shit is good. Would honestly take it with ur blast to reallllly get some use out of it. Ur strength will go up

 

[Doom0]

im on var rn and im gonna tell u that shit is good. Would honestly take it with ur blast to reallllly get some use out of it. Ur strength will go up

should i start injecting test e daily when i first start the cycle or just ramp up?, also is starting with 500 smart or should i do something like 250 then see where im going from there, im hearing different things

 

[Doom0]

Don’t use RU

Take Var during your blast, not your cut

also why no Ru58441 hair is life and i dont want to take a systemic blocker like fin or dut since i dont have hairloss in my family

 

[Doom0]

and cuz im young

 

[BobDaDa]

should i start injecting test e daily when i first start the cycle or just ramp up?, also is starting with 500 smart or should i do something like 250 then see where im going from there, im hearing different things

start with 250mg twice a week pin is what im on right now. THEN you see how your body reacts and up the dose after 4 weeks

 

[Lonely]

also why no Ru58441 hair is life and i dont want to take a systemic blocker like fin or dut since i dont have hairloss in my family

Why would you take a experimental hair loss drug when you aren’t even experiencing any hair loss lol

Rule 1 of PEDs: start with the easiest and most basic solutions

Use Ketaconazole 2% shampoo and Derma roll. If you keep your hair with that congrats. If not, we can look at more invasive options like Minox, Fin/Dut and RU

 

[BobDaDa]

also why no Ru58441 hair is life and i dont want to take a systemic blocker like fin or dut since i dont have hairloss in my family

this idiot is natty stop listening to him. Have RU on the side. There is a chance you wont even need it. You're defintely not gonna need an AI at 250mg since ur not a fat ass. Have it on the side for when u blast tho

 

[Lonely]

this idiot is natty stop listening to him. Have RU on the side. There is a chance you wont even need it. You're defintely not gonna need an AI at 250mg since ur not a fat ass. Have it on the side for when u blast tho

Post physique

 

[Doom0]

kinda afraid that im a high aromatizer since i do have some signs like gyno and wider hips also carrying alot of lower abdomen fat but idk if that really matters or i just got lied to

You're defintely not gonna need an AI at 250mg since ur not a fat ass.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Use Ketaconazole 2% shampoo and Derma roll. If you keep your hair with that congrats. If not, we can look at more invasive options like Minox, Fin/Dut and RU

fin/dut and minox are not invasive

 

[Lonely]

fin/dut and minox are not invasive

Minox, less so, but more than derma rolling or Nizoral

Fin/Dut is aids

 

[BobDaDa]

kinda afraid that im a high aromatizer since i do have some signs like gyno and wider hips also carrying alot of lower abdomen fat but idk if that really matters or i just got lied to

Bru ur not a high aromatizer unless you have soy genetics. 250mg people only need an ai if they are idiots and pin when they are at a high BF. I started pinning at like 18% and ive leaned out so much im at like 15% 5 weeks in

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Minox, less so, but more than derma rolling or Nizoral

Fin/Dut is aids

fin side effects appear in 1% of users, i use it and with no difference,
its fear mongered to hell and back

 

[BobDaDa]

Minox, less so, but more than derma rolling or Nizoral

Fin/Dut is aids

first thing this guy said that was true. Fin and Dut are fucking stupid if u take during puberty and its espicially stupid if u take it as a first resort. Never do that. Only as a last resort

 

[Lonely]

fin side effects appear in 1% of users, i use it and with no difference,
its fear mongered to hell and back

 

[BobDaDa]

Post physique

brah not tryna leak myself

 

[Doom0]

every man in my family (dad and moms side) has kept all their hair the worst hairline ive seen was a norwood 2 in some old ass uncle (no grey hairs btw). so I dont see the need of taking DHT blockers i also thought ru was kind of a stretch since its just not needed to spend that type of money if i can block it with minox and other smaller options but i do know how important hair is for looks so im just tryna keep it safe INCASE something happens

fin/dut and minox are not invasive

 

[LooksOrDeath]

every man in my family (dad and moms side) has kept all their hair the worst hairline ive seen was a norwood 2 in some old ass uncle (no grey hairs btw). so I dont see the need of taking DHT blockers i also thought ru was kind of a stretch since its just not needed to spend that type of money if i can block it with minox and other smaller options but i do know how important hair is for looks so im just tryna keep it safe INCASE something happens

I would assume you do not need fin then
just take minox and microneedle

 

[Lonely]

brah not tryna leak myself

Then keep your mouth shut

 

[LooksOrDeath]

I do not have a single one of the aforementioned signs after 1.5 years
neither do other people I know
for the vast majority of people thats how it is
DHT is a trash hormone

 

[Lonely]

I do not have a single one of the aforementioned signs after 1.5 years
neither do other people I know
for the vast majority of people thats how it is
DHT is a trash hormone

Then why do nearly half of Fin users quit within 2 to 3 years?

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Then why do nearly half of Fin users quit within 2 to 3 years?

Never heard of this
neither does anything come up

 

[Lonely]

Never heard of this
neither does anything come up

 

[LooksOrDeath]

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Fin will not give much results in most people within 3-15 months, only hyper responders. Youll see it work noticeable usually 10 months in
Half the people did not even answer
And it did work for 70% of the responders

 

[Lonely]

Fin will not give much results in most people within 3-15 months, only hyper responders. Youll see it work noticeable usually 10 months in
Half the people did not even answer
And it did work for 70% of the responders

The timespan was 1 to 3 years, see the second half of the second image

 

[LooksOrDeath]

The timespan was 1 to 3 years, see the second half of the second image

I did see that
and answered based on that

 

[Lonely]

I did see that
and answered based on that

Not to mention the various benefits of DHT

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Not to mention the various benefits of DHT

such as hairloss
prostate enlargement
excessive body hair
skin wear

its no good after puberty

 

[Lonely]

such as hairloss
prostate enlargement
excessive body hair
skin wear

its no good after puberty

 

[Doom0]

tbh dht after puberty is ass primal mfs cope with mental benefits till they start losing hair

 

[narrowmouthcel]

Currently 15.5 years old 16% bodyfat 67.2kg 182 cm, using reta to get lean, want to hop on test, tell me if this is retarded or not, been lifting for a decent while on and off and got the basics of dieting and training down.

MAIN GOAL: Build muscle and get a nice physique
Secondary goal: Dimorphic features such as a leaner face, deeper voice, broader features (body), Longer height duration (cuz of AI), etc

Get lean first (10-13% Bodyfat)

THEN 500 test for 12-20 weeks Aromasin 2-3 weeks after injecting test if needed (start at 5mg EOD and taper upwards if sides) Will first inject 2x a week
then slowly up the injection dose every week till im injecting daily

5mg minoxidil and ru58411 for hair loss (no family history)

Benzoyl peroxide+topical Tretinoin for my acne and to prevent any on cycle (will eventually switch to taz if i can tolerate and might add Accutane if it gets bad)

Creatine for extra gains

Will bulk till cycle ends and lift a ton.

AFTER BLAST Will drop down to a trt dosage (150-250 test) Will be in caloric deficit using 0.5 mg Retatrutide (dose up if hunger)20mg anavar dosed daily for 12-15 weeks during the cut

PCT: Will pct after my puberty IF I want to have children using HcG and something like clomid to get my testosterone back up and functioning

Now i have some questions, Do i have to start injecting daily and is it a good idea or should i just slowly ramp up? (start with 2x a week and up injection freq every week), im also pretty afraid of this having a bad effect on my HPA axis and fertility wise since i do want children later on and am not sure if i want to stay on test for life. Also pretty afraid of side effects but i feel like i should be fine since its just 500 test and i got some things against them. I also have some gyno and do want to take something like raloxifine for it but i dont know how that works exactly.

and with is it retarded im talking about the stack itself not about the roid usage, I couldnt care less if you think a 15.5 year old shouldnt get on gear i need to fix this death tier frame ASAP and will do anything to reach that goal.

Budget is very tight right now im just getting the basics such as the roids themselves, Hair support, slight acne support, etc, otherwise i would've added more i also need to jobmaxx.

meh "creatine for extra gains" im cryin son

 

[narrowmouthcel]

tbh dht after puberty is ass primal mfs cope with mental benefits till they start losing hair

low iq

 

[LooksOrDeath]

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weak correlation
can be substituted with other things
hair loss is a insanely bad side effect

 

[Herzog]

not worth running such a weak Stack

 

[Doom0]

not worth running such a weak Stack

since when is 500 test weak its like the perfect beginner cycle

 

[Lonely]

weak correlation
can be substituted with other things
hair loss is a insanely bad side effect

I don’t think you can say there’s just 1 component to hair loss

We can observe hair loss occurring when people use non DHT based steroids for example

 

[Herzog]

since when is 500 test weak its like the perfect beginner cycle

u wont make good gains on it like you envision you will be dissapointed