Greycels/newcels GTFIH if you wanna start a cycle

[slaters]

U like eq? I was thinking bumping test from 200 to 500 and adding 300 eq after the summer

 

[jeff1234]

Well, I see a lot of greys here just speaking nonsense about the use of AAS, SARMs etc. so I wanna make the best cycle for muscle mass, skin and maybe even height. If you’re an already know what you’re doing, you don’t have to read this.
I will keep it the simplest I can.

I see some people here talking about using ridiculous amount of different roids which is pointless imo and I will tell you why:

In your first cycle you only need 4 compounds (HGH,test,reta,var) which we will talk about now . Let’s end this once and for all:

1. HGH, why should you use it? Well, HGH got popular for helping with height which is not the case at all, HGH won’t increase a single cm unless you start using it when you’re 8-12.
The only acceptable reason to use HGH is for muscles, skin and and hair. Litterally the best peptide out there imo.
dosages: do 4-8 depends on you.

• Ancillaries: HGH usually doesn’t require you to use ancillaries since it’s not that potent but if you wanna go 100% safe then use metrofmin and berb beacuse it Counteracts HGH induced insulin resistance long-term.
• eplerenone/nebivolol to reduce water retention.
• GHK-cu

2. Test, why should you use it? Pretty obvious tbh, it increases dimorphism, builds muscle, making you look like a MAN, should I keep going?
Test is by far the best steroid for building muscles.
Dosages: I suggest to start from 250 mg, and increase it to 500 mg after a few weeks.
Ancillaries:

• AI to inhibit test converting to estrogen, best to use is aromasin.
• Dut and RU + topical minox to compete with hair loss.
• Accutane and Taz for acne
• GHK-cu, because why not jfl?
• Amiloride

3.retatrutide, why should you use it? Retatrutide is the best GLP-1 agonist by far no debate. It’s good to use it while cycling to keep being lean and burn fat.
Start from 4mg and increase it to 10 when you feel like it. Doens really matter.
No ancillaires needed.

4. Anavar, why you should use it? Var is the best oral steroid that synergies the best with test. It will help you build lean muscle and good amount of it actually.
Start from 20 mg and increase your way up to 40-50 mg.

• Ancillaires are the same as with test. If you want you can add liver support and you want to be very caution even tho anavar has very mild and reversible damage to the liver so use TUDCA and NAC.
• GHK-cu

I wrote this in a rush so don’t switch on me, if I said something wrong, point it out.

@chadbeingmade @Copercel @Jonasㅤㅤ @Hernan idk who else to tag

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[jeff1234]

U like eq? I was thinking bumping test from 200 to 500 and adding 300 eq after the summer

No. EQ is shit. Just keep going with the test.

 

[Mike141]

No.

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

 

[an__on]

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

Getting more masculine doesn't mean their bones grew

 

[jeff1234]

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

Wdym? Why would I copy him?

 

[Sadist]

Amiloride

is this for test bloat?

 

[jeff1234]

is this for test bloat?

Yes

 

[Sadist]

Yes

how different is it to other diuretics, especially when used for test bloat, and how sustainable is it?

 

[an__on]

Do you recommend Ghk-Cu pinning over topical? I'm natty so not pinning anything else, don't really want to bother getting all the stuff for it if it's not really needed

 

[jeff1234]

how different is it to other diuretics, especially when used for test bloat, and how sustainable is it?

It’s different mechanisms than other compounds. Test cause bloat via activating the RAAS and water retention. amiloride blocks ENaC which reduces water/sodium caused by aldosterone and/or E2.

It’s very sustainable long-term.

 

[jeff1234]

Do you recommend Ghk-Cu pinning over topical? I'm natty so not pinning anything else, don't really want to bother getting all the stuff for it if it's not really needed

Yes of course. Injected form is almost always more effective.

 

[Sadist]

It’s different mechanisms than other compounds. Test cause bloat via activating the RAAS and water retention. amiloride blocks ENaC which reduces water/sodium caused by aldosterone and/or E2.

It’s very sustainable long-term.

mirin. im already on eplerenone, would you say this should be used alongside it or would el suffice?

 

[jeff1234]

mirin. im already on eplerenone, would you say this should be used alongside it or would el suffice?

If you’re already on eplerenone and it controls your bloat well, adding amiloride is unnecessary.

If you have persistent bloat despite eplerenone, adding low-dose amiloride is good.

 

[an__on]

Yes of course. Injected form is almost always more effective.

Might have to stop being a pussy ab needles °_°

What dosage do you recommend?

 

[Sadist]

If you’re already on eplerenone and it controls your bloat well, adding amiloride is unnecessary.

If you have persistent bloat despite eplerenone, adding low-dose amiloride is good.

what would be considered a low dose? what is the optimal dosage anyways?

 

[jeff1234]

Might have to stop being a pussy ab needles °_°

What dosage do you recommend?

5mg a day.

what would be considered a low dose? what is the optimal dosage anyways?

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

 

[an__on]

5mg a day.

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

Thanks man I'll get on it when I'm home in 6mo

 

[Sadist]

5mg a day.

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

thanks

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Yeah I might do a thread about that, SARMs can be worse than roids.

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

 

[Evgeniy291]

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

Enclomiphene my ass test base or ldar

You will lose all the gains when you come off btw

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Enclomiphene my ass test base or ldar

You will lose all the gains when you come off btw

u lose mostly glyogen when you get off and the enclomiphene is more than enough on most sarms alongside natural test boosting stuff like vitamin D , K zinc etc if u have a test base u might as well blast test instead lmfao

 

[Evgeniy291]

u lose mostly glyogen when you get off

Not necessarily, but how do you know? You’ve never took anything in ur life.

and the enclomiphene is more than enough on most sarms alongside natural test boosting stuff like vitamin D , K zinc etc

if u have a test base u might as well blast test instead lmfao

Ok

 

[jeff1234]

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

There is absolutely no reason to run SERMs.

And yes SARMs are worse than roids. Test is much more predictable, running a cycle with no test base is retarded.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

There is absolutely no reason to run SERMs.

And yes SARMs are worse than roids. Test is much more predictable, running a cycle with no test base is retarded.

Enclomiphene citrate isn't a SERM in the traditional sense bloods from multiple users show it stops shutdown and you keep natural test production even after a sarms cycle , running it while cutting and on ostarine is the best imo very liver kidney and endocrinologically friendly

 

[jeff1234]

Enclomiphene citrate isn't a SERM in the traditional sense bloods from multiple users show it stops shutdown and you keep natural test production even after a sarms cycle , running it while cutting and on ostarine is the best imo very liver kidney and endocrinologically friendly

PCT is not real.
Most SARMs are a waste of time, they will only cause side effects and after a week of stopping the gains are going to vanish away.

Just run test and var- , easy, cheap, simple,predictable , easy to tolerate and most importantly it’s crazy for lean muscles mass.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Not necessarily, but how do you know? You’ve never took anything in ur life.



Ok

I have run test before lol im not scared of pinning i just prefer the sarm route because its less of a hassle i already have enough muscle/strength and just need to be lean while maintaining muscle without getting too many sides (not just hairloss gyno etc but psychological i get waay tooo high of a libido and aggression on test)

muscle is great for looksmaxing but its more important to be healthy and not be distracted by wanting to have sex 24/7 to achieve your goals

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

PCT is not real.
Most SARMs are a waste of time, they will only cause side effects and after a week of stopping the gains are going to vanish away.

Just run test and var- , easy, cheap, simple,predictable , easy to tolerate and most importantly it’s crazy for lean muscles mass.

very hard to find legit var most stuff is bunk , might be different in the U.S . I am already muscular enough i just need to get lean without losing lean tissue which ostarine helps with (per studies personal experience etc) I would only do test if i was thinking of increasing size