Greycels/newcels GTFIH if you wanna start a cycle

[slaters]

U like eq? I was thinking bumping test from 200 to 500 and adding 300 eq after the summer

 

[jeff1234]

Well, I see a lot of greys here just speaking nonsense about the use of AAS, SARMs etc. so I wanna make the best cycle for muscle mass, skin and maybe even height. If you’re an already know what you’re doing, you don’t have to read this.
I will keep it the simplest I can.

I see some people here talking about using ridiculous amount of different roids which is pointless imo and I will tell you why:

In your first cycle you only need 4 compounds (HGH,test,reta,var) which we will talk about now . Let’s end this once and for all:

1. HGH, why should you use it? Well, HGH got popular for helping with height which is not the case at all, HGH won’t increase a single cm unless you start using it when you’re 8-12.
The only acceptable reason to use HGH is for muscles, skin and and hair. Litterally the best peptide out there imo.
dosages: do 4-8 depends on you.

• Ancillaries: HGH usually doesn’t require you to use ancillaries since it’s not that potent but if you wanna go 100% safe then use metrofmin and berb beacuse it Counteracts HGH induced insulin resistance long-term.
• eplerenone/nebivolol to reduce water retention.
• GHK-cu

2. Test, why should you use it? Pretty obvious tbh, it increases dimorphism, builds muscle, making you look like a MAN, should I keep going?
Test is by far the best steroid for building muscles.
Dosages: I suggest to start from 250 mg, and increase it to 500 mg after a few weeks.
Ancillaries:

• AI to inhibit test converting to estrogen, best to use is aromasin.
• Dut and RU + topical minox to compete with hair loss.
• Accutane and Taz for acne
• GHK-cu, because why not jfl?
• Amiloride

3.retatrutide, why should you use it? Retatrutide is the best GLP-1 agonist by far no debate. It’s good to use it while cycling to keep being lean and burn fat.
Start from 4mg and increase it to 10 when you feel like it. Doens really matter.
No ancillaires needed.

4. Anavar, why you should use it? Var is the best oral steroid that synergies the best with test. It will help you build lean muscle and good amount of it actually.
Start from 20 mg and increase your way up to 40-50 mg.

• Ancillaires are the same as with test. If you want you can add liver support and you want to be very caution even tho anavar has very mild and reversible damage to the liver so use TUDCA and NAC.
• GHK-cu

I wrote this in a rush so don’t switch on me, if I said something wrong, point it out.

@chadbeingmade @Copercel @Jonasㅤㅤ @Hernan idk who else to tag

B

 

[jeff1234]

U like eq? I was thinking bumping test from 200 to 500 and adding 300 eq after the summer

No. EQ is shit. Just keep going with the test.

 

[Mike141]

No.

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

 

[an__on]

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

Getting more masculine doesn't mean their bones grew

 

[jeff1234]

i’ve seen irl friends take test at 18 and get way more masculine jfl it’s clearly possible. also why are u trying to copy the faggot jonas when there was a thread where he said he took sarms?

Wdym? Why would I copy him?

 

[Sadist]

Amiloride

is this for test bloat?

 

[jeff1234]

is this for test bloat?

Yes

 

[Sadist]

Yes

how different is it to other diuretics, especially when used for test bloat, and how sustainable is it?

 

[an__on]

Do you recommend Ghk-Cu pinning over topical? I'm natty so not pinning anything else, don't really want to bother getting all the stuff for it if it's not really needed

 

[jeff1234]

how different is it to other diuretics, especially when used for test bloat, and how sustainable is it?

It’s different mechanisms than other compounds. Test cause bloat via activating the RAAS and water retention. amiloride blocks ENaC which reduces water/sodium caused by aldosterone and/or E2.

It’s very sustainable long-term.

 

[jeff1234]

Do you recommend Ghk-Cu pinning over topical? I'm natty so not pinning anything else, don't really want to bother getting all the stuff for it if it's not really needed

Yes of course. Injected form is almost always more effective.

 

[Sadist]

It’s different mechanisms than other compounds. Test cause bloat via activating the RAAS and water retention. amiloride blocks ENaC which reduces water/sodium caused by aldosterone and/or E2.

It’s very sustainable long-term.

mirin. im already on eplerenone, would you say this should be used alongside it or would el suffice?

 

[jeff1234]

mirin. im already on eplerenone, would you say this should be used alongside it or would el suffice?

If you’re already on eplerenone and it controls your bloat well, adding amiloride is unnecessary.

If you have persistent bloat despite eplerenone, adding low-dose amiloride is good.

 

[an__on]

Yes of course. Injected form is almost always more effective.

Might have to stop being a pussy ab needles °_°

What dosage do you recommend?

 

[Sadist]

If you’re already on eplerenone and it controls your bloat well, adding amiloride is unnecessary.

If you have persistent bloat despite eplerenone, adding low-dose amiloride is good.

what would be considered a low dose? what is the optimal dosage anyways?

 

[jeff1234]

Might have to stop being a pussy ab needles °_°

What dosage do you recommend?

5mg a day.

what would be considered a low dose? what is the optimal dosage anyways?

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

 

[an__on]

5mg a day.

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

Thanks man I'll get on it when I'm home in 6mo

 

[Sadist]

5mg a day.

Low dose is 2.5-5mg.

Optimal dose is 10 mg more or less.

thanks

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Yeah I might do a thread about that, SARMs can be worse than roids.

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

 

[Evgeniy291]

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

Enclomiphene my ass test base or ldar

You will lose all the gains when you come off btw

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Enclomiphene my ass test base or ldar

You will lose all the gains when you come off btw

u lose mostly glyogen when you get off and the enclomiphene is more than enough on most sarms alongside natural test boosting stuff like vitamin D , K zinc etc if u have a test base u might as well blast test instead lmfao

 

[Evgeniy291]

u lose mostly glyogen when you get off

Not necessarily, but how do you know? You’ve never took anything in ur life.

and the enclomiphene is more than enough on most sarms alongside natural test boosting stuff like vitamin D , K zinc etc

if u have a test base u might as well blast test instead lmfao

Ok

 

[jeff1234]

sarms worse than roids?? wtf sarms with enclomiphene citrate and liver support is the easiest way to put on some muscle

There is absolutely no reason to run SERMs.

And yes SARMs are worse than roids. Test is much more predictable, running a cycle with no test base is retarded.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

There is absolutely no reason to run SERMs.

And yes SARMs are worse than roids. Test is much more predictable, running a cycle with no test base is retarded.

Enclomiphene citrate isn't a SERM in the traditional sense bloods from multiple users show it stops shutdown and you keep natural test production even after a sarms cycle , running it while cutting and on ostarine is the best imo very liver kidney and endocrinologically friendly

 

[jeff1234]

Enclomiphene citrate isn't a SERM in the traditional sense bloods from multiple users show it stops shutdown and you keep natural test production even after a sarms cycle , running it while cutting and on ostarine is the best imo very liver kidney and endocrinologically friendly

PCT is not real.
Most SARMs are a waste of time, they will only cause side effects and after a week of stopping the gains are going to vanish away.

Just run test and var- , easy, cheap, simple,predictable , easy to tolerate and most importantly it’s crazy for lean muscles mass.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Not necessarily, but how do you know? You’ve never took anything in ur life.



Ok

I have run test before lol im not scared of pinning i just prefer the sarm route because its less of a hassle i already have enough muscle/strength and just need to be lean while maintaining muscle without getting too many sides (not just hairloss gyno etc but psychological i get waay tooo high of a libido and aggression on test)

muscle is great for looksmaxing but its more important to be healthy and not be distracted by wanting to have sex 24/7 to achieve your goals

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

PCT is not real.
Most SARMs are a waste of time, they will only cause side effects and after a week of stopping the gains are going to vanish away.

Just run test and var- , easy, cheap, simple,predictable , easy to tolerate and most importantly it’s crazy for lean muscles mass.

very hard to find legit var most stuff is bunk , might be different in the U.S . I am already muscular enough i just need to get lean without losing lean tissue which ostarine helps with (per studies personal experience etc) I would only do test if i was thinking of increasing size

 

[Evgeniy291]

very hard to find legit var most stuff is bunk ,

my IndiaMART plug sells real var

might be different in the U.S . I am already muscular enough i just need to get lean without losing lean tissue which ostarine helps with (per studies personal experience etc) I would only do test if i was thinking of increasing size

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

very hard to find legit var most stuff is bunk , might be different in the U.S . I am already muscular enough i just need to get lean without losing lean tissue which ostarine helps with (per studies personal experience etc) I would only do test if i was thinking of increasing size

my IndiaMART plug sells real var

is indiamart like alibaba or something and do u have a link

 

[Evgeniy291]

is indiamart like alibaba or something and do u have a link

Google

 

[napyelashes]

Well, I see a lot of greys here just speaking nonsense about the use of AAS, SARMs etc. so I wanna make the best cycle for muscle mass, skin and maybe even height. If you’re an already know what you’re doing, you don’t have to read this.
I will keep it the simplest I can.

I see some people here talking about using ridiculous amount of different roids which is pointless imo and I will tell you why:

In your first cycle you only need 4 compounds (HGH,test,reta,var) which we will talk about now . Let’s end this once and for all:

1. HGH, why should you use it? Well, HGH got popular for helping with height which is not the case at all, HGH won’t increase a single cm unless you start using it when you’re 8-12.
The only acceptable reason to use HGH is for muscles, skin and and hair. Litterally the best peptide out there imo.
dosages: do 4-8 depends on you.

• Ancillaries: HGH usually doesn’t require you to use ancillaries since it’s not that potent but if you wanna go 100% safe then use metrofmin and berb beacuse it Counteracts HGH induced insulin resistance long-term.
• eplerenone/nebivolol to reduce water retention.
• GHK-cu

2. Test, why should you use it? Pretty obvious tbh, it increases dimorphism, builds muscle, making you look like a MAN, should I keep going?
Test is by far the best steroid for building muscles.
Dosages: I suggest to start from 250 mg, and increase it to 500 mg after a few weeks.
Ancillaries:

• AI to inhibit test converting to estrogen, best to use is aromasin.
• Dut and RU + topical minox to compete with hair loss.
• Accutane and Taz for acne
• GHK-cu, because why not jfl?
• Amiloride

3.retatrutide, why should you use it? Retatrutide is the best GLP-1 agonist by far no debate. It’s good to use it while cycling to keep being lean and burn fat.
Start from 4mg and increase it to 10 when you feel like it. Doens really matter.
No ancillaires needed.

4. Anavar, why you should use it? Var is the best oral steroid that synergies the best with test. It will help you build lean muscle and good amount of it actually.
Start from 20 mg and increase your way up to 40-50 mg.

• Ancillaires are the same as with test. If you want you can add liver support and you want to be very caution even tho anavar has very mild and reversible damage to the liver so use TUDCA and NAC.
• GHK-cu

I wrote this in a rush so don’t switch on me, if I said something wrong, point it out.

@chadbeingmade @Copercel @Jonasㅤㅤ @Hernan idk who else to tag

Oh my god do NOT start on 4mg of reta wtf are you talking about??
0.5mg kicks ass and people can cruise on 1mg why tf would u recommend 4mg you clearly havent researched reta enough

 

[laworg]

Well, I see a lot of greys here just speaking nonsense about the use of AAS, SARMs etc. so I wanna make the best cycle for muscle mass, skin and maybe even height. If you’re an already know what you’re doing, you don’t have to read this.
I will keep it the simplest I can.

I see some people here talking about using ridiculous amount of different roids which is pointless imo and I will tell you why:

In your first cycle you only need 4 compounds (HGH,test,reta,var) which we will talk about now . Let’s end this once and for all:

1. HGH, why should you use it? Well, HGH got popular for helping with height which is not the case at all, HGH won’t increase a single cm unless you start using it when you’re 8-12.
The only acceptable reason to use HGH is for muscles, skin and and hair. Litterally the best peptide out there imo.
dosages: do 4-8 depends on you.

• Ancillaries: HGH usually doesn’t require you to use ancillaries since it’s not that potent but if you wanna go 100% safe then use metrofmin and berb beacuse it Counteracts HGH induced insulin resistance long-term.
• eplerenone/nebivolol to reduce water retention.
• GHK-cu

2. Test, why should you use it? Pretty obvious tbh, it increases dimorphism, builds muscle, making you look like a MAN, should I keep going?
Test is by far the best steroid for building muscles.
Dosages: I suggest to start from 250 mg, and increase it to 500 mg after a few weeks.
Ancillaries:

• AI to inhibit test converting to estrogen, best to use is aromasin.
• Dut and RU + topical minox to compete with hair loss.
• Accutane and Taz for acne
• GHK-cu, because why not jfl?
• Amiloride

3.retatrutide, why should you use it? Retatrutide is the best GLP-1 agonist by far no debate. It’s good to use it while cycling to keep being lean and burn fat.
Start from 4mg and increase it to 10 when you feel like it. Doens really matter.
No ancillaires needed.

4. Anavar, why you should use it? Var is the best oral steroid that synergies the best with test. It will help you build lean muscle and good amount of it actually.
Start from 20 mg and increase your way up to 40-50 mg.

• Ancillaires are the same as with test. If you want you can add liver support and you want to be very caution even tho anavar has very mild and reversible damage to the liver so use TUDCA and NAC.
• GHK-cu

I wrote this in a rush so don’t switch on me, if I said something wrong, point it out.

@chadbeingmade @Copercel @Jonasㅤㅤ @Hernan idk who else to tag

Rad140

 

[jeff1234]

Oh my god do NOT start on 4mg of reta wtf are you talking about??
0.5mg kicks ass and people can cruise on 1mg why tf would u recommend 4mg you clearly havent researched reta enough

I did my research enough don’t worry. If you want real weight loss start by 4 mg and increase it slowly.

Rad140

Dogshit

 

[laworg]

I did my research enough don’t worry. If you want real weight loss start by 4 mg and increase it slowly.

Dogshit

Lean gains while losing bodyfat whats bad ab it

 

[napyelashes]

Oh my god do NOT start on 4mg of reta wtf are you talking about??
0.5mg kicks ass and people can cruise on 1mg why tf would u recommend 4mg you clearly havent researched reta enough

But do elaborate on test though
I'm already on reta im on 1mg rn its my third week (I started at 0.5mg for the first week)
Im gonna be on HGH and test c, no var though.
I'm on HGH and test c for masculinization and lean muscle mass, i wanna start at 4ius daily on hgh then maybe increase to 5 or 6, and 250mg of test c injecting once a week then seeing if that works well I'll increase that to injecting twice a week and making it 500mg of test c. I'm gonna be on aromasin for the ai but I've been lurking in way too many threads and people keep talking about random shit like nuking e2, needing PCT after cycling, cycling for only 8 weeks, yet others say cycle for 12-16 weeks. people talk about nuking your DHT for your hair and how it doesnt do shit while others say you NEED DHT for your libido.
Theres just too much shit to try to seperate and way too much fucking noise that im genuinely so lost on who actually knows wtf they're talking about, I havent even gotten to the people saying that test will fuck you up longterm and how it'll be good now but 6 years down the line you'll be absolutely fucking destroyed??
My bad man im ranting but could u answer a few of my questions
I'm 17 5'9 i think im a late bloomer but u never know ig

Oh yeah i also fucking forgot about people talking about insulin resistance on HGH and test like wtf?? Some people recommend injecting fucking insulin so you dont get hyperglycemia while others say that doing that will only fuck you up harder.
it's gotten to the point that not even fucking google has answers to my questions im so fucking fried

its hard being a grey

 

[laworg]

But do elaborate on test though
I'm already on reta im on 1mg rn its my third week (I started at 0.5mg for the first week)
Im gonna be on HGH and test c, no var though.
I'm on HGH and test c for masculinization and lean muscle mass, i wanna start at 4ius daily on hgh then maybe increase to 5 or 6, and 250mg of test c injecting once a week then seeing if that works well I'll increase that to injecting twice a week and making it 500mg of test c. I'm gonna be on aromasin for the ai but I've been lurking in way too many threads and people keep talking about random shit like nuking e2, needing PCT after cycling, cycling for only 8 weeks, yet others say cycle for 12-16 weeks. people talk about nuking your DHT for your hair and how it doesnt do shit while others say you NEED DHT for your libido.
Theres just too much shit to try to seperate and way too much fucking noise that im genuinely so lost on who actually knows wtf they're talking about, I havent even gotten to the people saying that test will fuck you up longterm and how it'll be good now but 6 years down the line you'll be absolutely fucking destroyed??
My bad man im ranting but could u answer a few of my questions
I'm 17 5'9 i think im a late bloomer but u never know ig

Oh yeah i also fucking forgot about people talking about insulin resistance on HGH and test like wtf?? Some people recommend injecting fucking insulin so you dont get hyperglycemia while others say that doing that will only fuck you up harder.
it's gotten to the point that not even fucking google has answers to my questions im so fucking fried

its hard being a grey

Why do hormones? Just use a good sarm and or peptide cycle

 

[napyelashes]

I did my research enough don’t worry. If you want real weight loss start by 4 mg and increase it slowly.

Dogshit

Would it be smarter to inject test till the day i die or just do it for like 3 cycles and revert myself back to my natural state, i dont really care too much about the muscle mass the main thing im looking forward to is the masculinization.

Also completely random question but im also interested in oral minox but mfs say that the bloat makes it not worth it, this one dude said he cycles it with HCTZ to counteract the debloat how do you feel about that?

 

[napyelashes]

Why do hormones? Just use a good sarm and or peptide cycle

Maybe i have a little bit of growth left?
I figured i have the money for it from jobmaxxing and i dont want to leave any stones unturned, and the spinal discs dont close till you're in your 20s so i could possibly combine hgh with some spinal stretching to squeeze out a few cms u never know.

I'll definitely report back in the later months and share my results though

 

[laworg]

Maybe i have a little bit of growth left?
I figured i have the money for it from jobmaxxing and i dont want to leave any stones unturned, and the spinal discs dont close till you're in your 20s so i could possibly combine hgh with some spinal stretching to squeeze out a few cms u never know.

I'll definitely report back in the later months and share my results though

Yeah ofc lol go for hgh no second thought ab it but u said u wanted to do test imo not worth it at this age when u can get simular results with sarms and peptides

 

[napyelashes]

Yeah ofc lol go for hgh no second thought ab it but u said u wanted to do test imo not worth it at this age when u can get simular results with sarms and peptide

Because of this mf

 

[laworg]

Good stack but just research b4 pinning bcus stuff like test and tren can fuck u up for life compared to sarms like rad140 ran with enclo just a beginner cycle could be ran witn hgh

 

[napyelashes]

Good stack but just research b4 pinning bcus stuff like test and tren can fuck u up for life compared to sarms like rad140 ran with enclo just a beginner cycle could be ran witn hgh

Yeah ive been looking into studies and i seen that test only really fucks you up when you dose for too long and into the extremes, shit like insomnia starts at 1g, and further permamnent things starts at 2g but these mfs on this forum are fearmongering like shit and saying that it starts at low doses like 500mg and it can also start testicular atrophy even in small doses like that. I've seen nothing good when people talk about enclo, and rad140 seems to be a bloat demon.