GTFIH BRUTAL Evisceration of Islam

[RAMU KAKA]

If i got a dollar everytime a Christian takes a Quranic verse out of context I'd be a billionaire

 

[noobkiller999]

Biggest incel trait is debating religion on incel websites. Go spend time with ur love ones. Go for a walk. Pet ur dog. Jerk off to porn. Literally anything else is a better use of time

these incels have no life, pornaddicted but still blames Islam for no reason, giggity

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

these incels have no life, pornaddicted but still blames Islam for no reason, giggity

Nobody blames Islam for inceldom or porn addiction or anything like that. These threads wouldn’t exist if you faggot Mudslimes stopped trying to run dawist nonsense on this site then we Christian’s wouldnt have to expose your filthy satanic death cult

 

[Awan]

@JohnDoe blame yourself for this now I’m going to fuck your religion the same way Mohammed fucked an 9yr old girl

"Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims).

"Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …

“Sahih al-Bukhari 4557Narrated Abu Huraira:The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
Apostasy is a Hudood crime. Execution is traditional punishment for both genders of Muslim apostates. Ja'fari – Male apostates must be executed, while a female apostate must be held in solitary confinement till she repents and returns to Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922Narrated `Ikrima:Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

@yeeyeeslayer @Michael Myers @SecularIslamist I’m sorry had to do this but I’m sick of the Islamic lies because without lies Islam dies @Donquixote @i_love_roosters @maou

Where’s the Evisceration?All i see is Islam being based jfl.

 

[noobkiller999]

These verses were revealed during the war with the unbelievers ritarded christcuck

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

These verses were revealed during the war with the unbelievers ritarded christcuck

Nope. These verses were revealed even before then. They were revealed once Mo was rejected by Jew and Christian your pedo prophet used to attack poor pagans rob them and hurt them and Jews

 

[noobkiller999]

Nope. These verses were revealed even before then. They were revealed once Mo was rejected by Jew and Christian your pedo prophet used to attack poor pagans rob them and hurt them and Jews

nga didn't read Quran and sayin something, man just sthu

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

nga didn't read Quran and sayin something, man just sthu

How about no? How about you learn what your prophet said and learn how your hadiths are fucking memes. Your gay book says Mohammed split the moon in 2 and yet the whole world didn’t notice

Your book mentions men sucking the breasts of their wives to get milk as I showed @Michael Myers who can’t even deny it either as he has seen the truth lol

Don’t forget when you yawn to do it slightly as shaytan laughs . Oh and when you have nightmares don’t forget to spit 3 times behind you to irritate shaytan. There’s so many more but your religion is a meme

 

[noobkiller999]

How about no? How about you learn what your prophet said and learn how your hadiths are fucking memes. Your gay book says Mohammed split the moon in 2 and yet the whole world didn’t notice

Your book mentions men sucking the breasts of their wives to get milk as I showed @Michael Myers who can’t even deny it either as he has seen the truth lol

Don’t forget when you yawn to do it slightly as shaytan laughs . Oh and when you have nightmares don’t forget to spit 3 times behind you to irritate shaytan. There’s so many more but your religion is a meme

Hadith, dalil??

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Hadith, dalil??

What Hadith? You want the Hadith for what I said? Just ask and you’ll recieve just don’t come crying to me once I show you

 

[noobkiller999]

What Hadith? You want the Hadith for what I said? Just ask and you’ll recieve just don’t come crying to me once I show you

about breastfeeding dumbass

 

[Gengar]

Your book mentions men sucking the breasts of their wives to get milk as I showed @

@Michael Myers who can’t even deny it either as he has seen the truth lol

That’s not in the Quran bhai.

 

[Deleted member 74042]

This Jewish pawn larp is getting very high effort

Dn read a single partial tbh

Spoiler: Opps

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

Unironically yes.

The story of the adulterous woman in the gospels and antinomian (anti-moses) sentiments were a cuck's later insert to the Bible. As it was intended she would have gotten stoned, it's merely a perversion of the texts that justifies her not being stoned for adultery.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

That’s not in the Quran bhai.

Hadith

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The story of the adulterous woman in the gospels and antinomian (anti-moses) sentiments were a cuck's later insert to the Bible. As it was intended she would have gotten stoned, it's merely a perversion of the texts that justifies her not being stoned for adultery.

The woman wasn’t an adulterer though… and the point was “how can you cast judgment when you yourself are riddled by sin” which is true. You don’t know much about the bible or Christianity that’s why you still think we must adhere to the Mosaic law despite Peter and Paul stating not to in Galatians and Corinthians. Even Jesus states he’s the mosaic law manifest and he has come to end that law.

Fun fact in China the story of John 8:5 where Jesus lets the adulterous woman leave without casting a stone is changed to Jesus stoning her LOL. But as I tell people who have an issue with Jesus’s purity all I can say is “find yourself another religion that allows for your deplorable evil actions”

 

[Gengar]

Hadith

I thought you meant to refer to holy book. You meant the meme book.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I thought you meant to refer to holy book. You meant the meme book.

I mean both are meme books (hadiths just more so) and as a Muslim you need Hadiths to make contextual sense of the Quran and your prophets life so Muslims are fucked in this regard. The Quran is a meme book because it gets facts wrong and unlike the bible any error discredits Islam because you guys see it as the verbatim words of god whist is Christian’s we the bible as the INSPIRED word of god.

For instance your Allah has body parts like 2 right hands a shin a blouse and multiple eyes. This means Allah cannot be Lord of creation as he has a shape which means he occupies space which means something existed before him.

Another example is Allah veiling the world from his glory with light. Light is created and yet it can hold back Allah? But if Allah can overpower the light but chooses to limit his power to not blast humans with his glory why doesn’t he just limit his power to NOT blast humans? Making the veil silly.

I could also go on about how the seven stories of Adam and Eve are essentially different stories despite the Quran trying to make them be the same lol.

I could go on about how Allah gets the trinity wrong (says we worship Allah, Jesus and Mary JFL ). Hell many verses in the Quran were placed there because Mohammed was pissed off by somebody one of the daily prayers many Muslims recite is him cursing a woman and her husband for him not believing in Mohammed. Why would Allah care to put this in his book?

Honestly bro I can go on but the Quran is ahistorical, Anti Archological and anti factual book that even disagrees with facts such as Jesus’s death and resserection when every single non bias source from agnostics, atheists, Jews, romans, Greeks and modern scholars and historians and archeological experts agree. The only people who disagree that Jesus was killed and put in a Tomb ARE MUSLIMS. This is called the Quranic Dilemma.

 

[Gengar]

I mean both are meme books (hadiths just more so) and as a Muslim you need Hadiths to make contextual sense of the Quran and your prophets life so Muslims are fucked in this regard. The Quran is a meme book because it gets facts wrong and unlike the bible any error discredits Islam because you guys see it as the verbatim words of god whist is Christian’s we the bible as the INSPIRED word of god.

For instance your Allah has body parts like 2 right hands a shin a blouse and multiple eyes. This means Allah cannot be Lord of creation as he has a shape which means he occupies space which means something existed before him.

Another example is Allah veiling the world from his glory with light. Light is created and yet it can hold back Allah? But if Allah can overpower the light but chooses to limit his power to not blast humans with his glory why doesn’t he just limit his power to NOT blast humans? Making the veil silly.

I could also go on about how the seven stories of Adam and Eve are essentially different stories despite the Quran trying to make them be the same lol.

I could go on about how Allah gets the trinity wrong (says we worship Allah, Jesus and Mary JFL ). Hell many verses in the Quran were placed there because Mohammed was pissed off by somebody one of the daily prayers many Muslims recite is him cursing a woman and her husband for him not believing in Mohammed. Why would Allah care to put this in his book?

Honestly bro I can go on but the Quran is ahistorical, Anti Archological and anti factual book that even disagrees with facts such as Jesus’s death and resserection when every single non bias source from agnostics, atheists, Jews, romans, Greeks and modern scholars and historians and archeological experts agree. The only people who disagree that Jesus was killed and put in a Tomb ARE MUSLIMS. This is called the Quranic Dilemma.

Bhai this is a mega cope. The meme books are the ones that talk about stoning monkeys for pre-marital sex or claiming the prophet married a prepubescent kid.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Bhai this is a mega cope. The meme books are the ones that talk about stoning monkeys for pre-marital sex or claiming the prophet married a prepubescent kid.

Did you not read what I wrote if your Quran makes mistakes then it’s OVER 4 YOU which it does therefore it’s also a meme book. Don’t forget the Quran allows for the dex of prepubescent girls lol shit like that is why the Quran is also a meme book it’s jsut not that much of a meme book but it is still

 

[Gengar]

Did you not read what I wrote if your Quran makes mistakes then it’s OVER 4 YOU which it does therefore it’s also a meme book. Don’t forget the Quran allows for the dex of prepubescent girls lol shit like that is why the Quran is also a meme book it’s jsut not that much of a meme book but it is still

I couldn't read it after you claimed it was a meme book so I dunno what you exactly wrote. And I have read the Qur'an in English, I recall zero verses where prepubescent girls are talked about in a (sexual manner?). Is that what you were trying to say with "dex"?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I couldn't read it after you claimed it was a meme book so I dunno what you exactly wrote. And I have read the Qur'an in English, I recall zero verses where prepubescent girls are talked about in a (sexual manner?). Is that what you were trying to say with "dex"?

It is the chapter about the Iddah period

And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth.1And whoever fears Allāh - He will make for him of his matter ease.
— Saheeh International

According to the quran, divorced prepubescent girls have to observe the waiting period (iddah) (2:228, 65:4) which is only reserved for those who have indeed consummated the marriage (33:49). So sex with prepubescent girls is allowed if we go only with the Quran, and it does not specify a minimum age.

Surah At-Talaq - 4 - Quran.com

واللائي يئسن من المحيض من نسائكم ان ارتبتم فعدتهن ثلاثة اشهر واللائي لم يحضن واولات الاحمال اجلهن ان يضعن حملهن ومن يتق الله يجعل له من امره يسرا

quran.com

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

The woman wasn’t an adulterer though… and the point was “how can you cast judgment when you yourself are riddled by sin” which is true.

You are supposed to cast judgement when it's in righteousness, this is irrelevant as that defense can be used in regards to literally anything ("only God can judge me!"). Falling short of perfection in your case does not mean that you don't rebuke and judge others.
And the story is not even present in earlier manuscripts, neither are other passages that imply the doctrines present at the times of the copyists (my personal theory is that in this case, it'd have simply been a hassle to keep stoning whores all the time so passages were added onto the Bible).

That's why scholarly renderings of the Bible add the comment that this story is not previously present.

Bible Gateway passage: John 7:53-8:11 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

The Woman Caught in Adultery - [[ Then each of them went home, while Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in...

www.biblegateway.com

Along with some other changes that are not present in any other of the gospels

Matthew 5:44 NRSVUE;KJV - But I say to you: Love your enemies and - Bible Gateway

But I say to you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

www.biblegateway.com

Luke 9:55–56 NRSVUE;KJV - But he turned and rebuked them. Then - Bible Gateway

But he turned and rebuked them. Then they went on to another village.

www.biblegateway.com

You don’t know much about the bible or Christianity that’s why you still think we must adhere to the Mosaic law despite Peter and Paul stating not to in Galatians and Corinthians. Even Jesus states he’s the mosaic law manifest and he has come to end that law.

They did not though. Peter definitely did not say anything close to that and Paul's seemingly antinomian rhetoric does not really mean what you think it does. Modern scholarly consensus is that Paul did not intend to stop the laws regarding the feasts, unclean foods or sabbath. The gospels contain passages in support of the Torah. And I have no idea what verse you could possibly mean with Jesus saying He has come to abolished the mosaic law as there is no such thing. He, contrary to what you claim said that not a dot is to pass from the law.

I recommend that you read articles written on this blog as he has written extensively on this subject.

Articles — David Wilber

Theological, devotional, and apologetics articles from David Wilber

davidwilber.com

He has addressed pretty much every Pauline quote that is used against the mosaic law.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You are supposed to cast judgement when it's in righteousness, this is irrelevant as that defense can be used in regards to literally anything ("only God can judge me!"). Falling short of perfection in your case does not mean that you don't rebuke and judge others.
And the story is not even present in earlier manuscripts, neither are other passages that imply the doctrines present at the times of the copyists (my personal theory is that in this case, it'd have simply been a hassle to keep stoning whores all the time so passages were added onto the Bible).

That's why scholarly renderings of the Bible add the comment that this story is not previously present.

Bible Gateway passage: John 7:53-8:11 - New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition

The Woman Caught in Adultery - [[ Then each of them went home, while Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in...

www.biblegateway.com

Along with some other changes that are not present in any other of the gospels

Matthew 5:44 NRSVUE;KJV - But I say to you: Love your enemies and - Bible Gateway

But I say to you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

www.biblegateway.com

Luke 9:55–56 NRSVUE;KJV - But he turned and rebuked them. Then - Bible Gateway

But he turned and rebuked them. Then they went on to another village.

www.biblegateway.com

They did not though. Peter definitely did not say anything close to that and Paul's seemingly antinomian rhetoric does not really mean what you think it does. Modern scholarly consensus is that Paul did not intend to stop the laws regarding the feasts, unclean foods or sabbath. The gospels contain passages in support of the Torah. And I have no idea what verse you could possibly mean with Jesus saying He has come to abolished the mosaic law as there is no such thing. He, contrary to what you claim said that not a dot is to pass from the law.

I recommend that you read articles written on this blog as he has written extensively on this subject.

Articles — David Wilber

Theological, devotional, and apologetics articles from David Wilber

davidwilber.com

He has addressed pretty much every Pauline quote that is used against the mosaic law.

You realise that the mosaic law has three components. Civil, ceremonial and moral. We Christian’s follow the Moral laws but not the civil or ceremonial that’s why we don’t stone a whore for being a whore or why we don’t do circumcison.

Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law? | GotQuestions.org

Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law? Does the Mosaic Law apply to Christians?

www.gotquestions.org

When Jesus died he put an end to the old law for this reason once again you KNOW NOTHING about Christianity.



Also in every version (minus Chinese) including Greek Jesus never stoned the woman only a brainlet regard like you thinks this

Also the point of him saying that was to show that as we are all sinners we should be quick to cast judgement when we are eligible to be judged for our wrongdoings. He isn’t saying to ignore those that do wrong but have FUCKIN MERCY on those who acknowledge they do wrong. This is why I’m against homosexuality but I am on the side of homos who hate being gay and try their hardest to fight the urge as they hate their sin

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

You realise that the mosaic law has three components. Civil, ceremonial and moral. We Christian’s follow the Moral laws but not the civil or ceremonial that’s why we don’t stone a whore for being a whore or why we don’t do circumcison.

It does not, that's merely just an attempt to exclude some parts of the Torah as to fit an interpretation that is nothing close to the scriptures.
You have no guidance as to how you seperate moral/ceremonial/civil parts, this paradigm does not exist in the Bible.

When Jesus died he put an end to the old law

He did not, you don't even cite one passage to support your position.

Matthew 5:17-20:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus says that he did not come to abolish the law or prophets and goes on to further say that until the whole earth no longer exists then not one stroke of a letter (this includes everything, not just some part of a retarded division created as a cope) will pass away and says that "whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven".

for this reason once again you KNOW NOTHING about Christianity.

What do you think I am and what makes you think you have more knowledge than I do? As per your admission you've taken Christianity seriously for a month, for me this has been a serious belief for years. I didn't claim to be knowledgeable, I only want to expose to this idea of keeping the Torah as that is what God has intended and the Bible states this clearly.
You're of the same stock that Peter said is unwilling to learn in 2 Peter 3:16. Using Paul's and other scriptures to twist into your liking. All I want is a correct interpretation of God's word and acknowledgement that the Torah is God's law that He to this day demands to be kept.

 

[NoReedemingFeature]

Also in every version (minus Chinese) including Greek Jesus never stoned the woman only a brainlet regard like you thinks this

And to clarify, I don't believe Jesus stoned the woman in that story. I simply think the given situation never happened. Given this misunderstanding of yours it's ironic to call me a brainlet. I didn't even know Chinese texts say He did so.

 

[TheChubbinator]

@JohnDoe blame yourself for this now I’m going to fuck your religion the same way Mohammed fucked an 9yr old girl

"Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) …"Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims).

"Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …

“Sahih al-Bukhari 4557Narrated Abu Huraira:The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
Apostasy is a Hudood crime. Execution is traditional punishment for both genders of Muslim apostates. Ja'fari – Male apostates must be executed, while a female apostate must be held in solitary confinement till she repents and returns to Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922Narrated `Ikrima:Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

@yeeyeeslayer @Michael Myers @SecularIslamist I’m sorry had to do this but I’m sick of the Islamic lies because without lies Islam dies @Donquixote @i_love_roosters @maou

i hate discussing religion on an incel website but before you bring up 9:5, 2:191, and 3:151, read 9:4, 9:6, and 2:190.
the reports you put arent even from a prophet theyre from regular people.
3:151 literally says its talking about hellfire.

brutal iqpill man

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

i hate discussing religion on an incel website but before you bring up 9:5, 2:191, and 3:151, read 9:4, 9:6, and 2:190.
the reports you put arent even from a prophet theyre from regular people.
3:151 literally says its talking about hellfire.

brutal iqpill man

Blud stop…


Just stop, if you’re gonna try correct me do it or don’t bother commenting. Your prophet allows for these things your God allows for these things and that’s life. And as I said go blame Johndoe the faggot for this thread he spoke about my religion so I trashed his and left it bent over in a prison toilet.

 

[TheChubbinator]

As you wish then

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

As you wish then

So I see the context of 9:4-6 now… and it’s still allowing the killing of the Polythiests for no other crime than they don’t worship god… this is evil even in the Old Testament this never occurred the only reason why the isrelaites killed the polytheists was because they were ruthlessly attacking and enslaving the Jews it was DEFENCIVE but this is an offensive attack against people for their beliefs… its wrong man


Sura 190-192 i support as its defensive (yes i support defensive efforts but I don’t think I used sura 190-192 tbh as that’s defensive and thefore justified)


According to sura 3:151 its about the Jews who rejected the prophethood of Mohammed hence why he made that I’ll show you link

Surah Ali 'Imran 3:149-151 - Towards Understanding the Quran - Quran Translation Commentary - Tafheem ul Quran

www.islamicstudies.info

 

[TheChubbinator]

So I see the context of 9:4-6 now… and it’s still allowing the killing of the Polythiests for no other crime than they don’t worship god… this is evil even in the Old Testament this never occurred the only reason why the isrelaites killed the polytheists was because they were ruthlessly attacking and enslaving the Jews it was DEFENCIVE but this is an offensive attack against people for their beliefs… its wrong man


Sura 190-192 i support as its defensive (yes i support defensive efforts but I don’t think I used sura 190-192 tbh as that’s defensive and thefore justified)


According to sura 3:151 its about the Jews who rejected the prophethood of Mohammed hence why he made that I’ll show you link

Surah Ali 'Imran 3:149-151 - Towards Understanding the Quran - Quran Translation Commentary - Tafheem ul Quran

www.islamicstudies.info

i mean it quite literally says "And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them" and

"As for the polytheists who have honored every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honor your treaty with them until the end of its term"

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

i mean it quite literally says "And if anyone from the polytheists asks for your protection ˹O Prophet˺, grant it to them" and

"As for the polytheists who have honored every term of their treaty with you and have not supported an enemy against you, honor your treaty with them until the end of its term"

YES AND YET THIS IS FROM A POSTION OF OFFENCE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE MONGOLS SAYING “IF THEY SUBMIT TO US LEAVE THEM BE BUT IF THEY DONT KILL THEM ALL”

You going to say the mongols were based and justified now? As I said I agree with Sura 190 because that’s from a place of defence and rightfully SO. But the other suras are not from a place of defence. I even used the Old Testament to give an comparison and show even in there and the Israelites did some CRUEL messed up things in there every time god commanded it to be done it was in DEFENCE EVERY SINGLE TIME. This isn’t defensive in fhe case I mentioned nor is it in the 151 one even the commentary states it’s about the Jews rejecting him and mocking him.

 

[TheChubbinator]

Had to rewrite this, it got deleted.

A treaty is NOT one sided, it openly says that if they honor their treaties and do not support your enemies, honor the treaty and honor them.
Its only war if they offer it to you, if they honor their word with you, honor your word with them.

As for 3:151, what is wrong with that?
It refers to the punishment that they will face in hellfire, and yes, it refers to the battle of Uhud.

The battle of Uhud is a continuation of the battle of Badr, a result of consistent persecution between the early Muslims and the tribe of Quraish.

It's not as if the tribe of Quraish offered peace, they largely attacked the Muslims and the prophet.

The tribe of Quraish offered war and persecution to the Muslims, and the Muslims fought with them.

And yes, Allah will cast horror into the hearts of those who died in disbelief and do not have the pen raised from them; this is something called HELL.

In short, both verses are justified by the verses that surround them, the historical context, or the verse isn't even bad in general.
When it comes to 3:151, the verse is completely justified, it refers to their punishment in hell, your religion has punishment in hell too. We are debating the justification of its historical context, not the verse itself.

It was a two sided war with two open enemies, the persecuted (Early Muslims) and the persecutors (Tribe of Quraish, the "jews").

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Had to rewrite this, it got deleted.

A treaty is NOT one sided, it openly says that if they honor their treaties and do not support your enemies, honor the treaty and honor them.
Its only war if they offer it to you, if they honor their word with you, honor your word with them.

As for 3:151, what is wrong with that?
It refers to the punishment that they will face in hellfire, and yes, it refers to the battle of Uhud.

The battle of Uhud is a continuation of the battle of Badr, a result of consistent persecution between the early Muslims and the tribe of Quraish.

It's not as if the tribe of Quraish offered peace, they largely attacked the Muslims and the prophet.

The tribe of Quraish offered war and persecution to the Muslims, and the Muslims fought with them.

And yes, Allah will cast horror into the hearts of those who died in disbelief and do not have the pen raised from them; this is something called HELL.

In short, both verses are justified by the verses that surround them, the historical context, or the verse isn't even bad in general.
When it comes to 3:151, the verse is completely justified, it refers to their punishment in hell, your religion has punishment in hell too. We are debating the justification of its historical context, not the verse itself.

It was a two sided war with two open enemies, the persecuted (Early Muslims) and the persecutors (Tribe of Quraish, the "jews").

Hmmm I’ll get back to you on that once I do my digging around this shit soonnnnyyyy

The Muslims did become menaces and bully the poor pagans though but yeah they did go to war also, but let’s not pretend the war was soley defensive now as Muslims were usually on the offensive in their wars even their wars against the romans and Sassanids. Anyways I’ll look into each of the battles son.

Yes we Christian’s have hell but our hell varies depending on which denomination you are. Some view hell as a place simple away form god and being away from him means all good feelings is gone and your left with all negativity, others belive it’s a literal lake of fire, others belive like myself that hell is your rejection of Gods love and thus feeling his glory is painful to you like the passion of an Stalker very intense and painful love that’s hell for some.

Bear in mind this doesn’t apply to the Muslim god the final one because Islamic god hates non believers and hates the sinner so it wouldn’t be love for the Islamic god whislt the Jewish/christian god loves all humans

 

[TheChubbinator]

The verse 3:151 itself is completely justified. It quite literally is just describing hell

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The verse 3:151 itself is completely justified. It quite literally is just describing hell

not according to your scholars it ain’t son . Listen to your scholars sonny

 

[TheChubbinator]

not according to your scholars it ain’t son . Listen to your scholars sonny

What scholar lmfao, the commentary gave historical context, the verse literally says its describing hellfire.

"We will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers for associating ˹false gods˺ with Allah—a practice He has never authorized. The Fire will be their home—what an evil place for the wrongdoers to stay!"

Yes, Allah will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers (When they are in hell) for shirk. Yes, the fire will be their home, and yes, an evil, eternal place for a sin against an eternal being.

Stop debating if you aren't knowledgeable, you aren't a scholar and you can hardly read.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

What scholar lmfao, the commentary gave historical context, the verse literally says its describing hellfire.

"We will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers for associating ˹false gods˺ with Allah—a practice He has never authorized. The Fire will be their home—what an evil place for the wrongdoers to stay!"

Yes, Allah will cast horror into the hearts of the disbelievers (When they are in hell) for shirk. Yes, the fire will be their home, and yes, an evil, eternal place for a sin against an eternal being.

Stop debating if you aren't knowledgeable, you aren't a scholar and you can hardly read.

I even showed you the site and it had literal scholars agreeing with me NOT YOU.

Is this the same sadistic Allah that enjoys making devices that stretch the arms 70 meters long? Is this the same Allah which decived people into thinking Jesus was dead truly the greatest of deceivers?

Is Allah the Best of Deceivers?

According to the Qur'an , Allah is the "best of deceivers" (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners,"...

www.answeringmuslims.com

What about sura 32:13 what a lovely religion what a lovely god (Satan) you have mashallahaahahaha

Your god is the devil he gains enjoyment torturing people like the devil your god is an evil psychotic cunt no wonder he allowed his filthy profit to go and curse a little Arab girl slave

 

[TheChubbinator]

you actually have to be fucking deluded but typical jew changes the argument whenever he gets raped, Battle of Uhud and Battle of Badr are results of Muslim persecution and 3:151 is visibly saying that this is their punishment in hell

 

[TheChubbinator]

I even showed you the site and it had literal scholars agreeing with me NOT YOU.

Is this the same sadistic Allah that enjoys making devices that stretch the arms 70 meters long? Is this the same Allah which decived people into thinking Jesus was dead truly the greatest of deceivers?

Is Allah the Best of Deceivers?

According to the Qur'an , Allah is the "best of deceivers" (3:54; 8:30). The phrase is often translated into English as "best of planners,"...

www.answeringmuslims.com

What about sura 32:13 what a lovely religion what a lovely god (Satan) you have mashallahaahahaha
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Your god is the devil he gains enjoyment torturing people like the devil your god is an evil psychotic cunt no wonder he allowed his filthy profit to go and curse a little Arab girl slave

Nothing wrong with that, this is called hell, you quite literally believe in a LAKE OF FIRE. This is something called hell, and I can tell how shit your English is because you don't know the difference between profit and prophet, profit means net gain you retard.

What a lovely religion, furnace of fire?! Wailing and gnashing of teeth?? Immortal man-eating worms?? Unquenchable fire??

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Nothing wrong with that, this is called hell, you quite literally believe in a LAKE OF FIRE. This is something called hell, and I can tell how shit your English is because you don't know the difference between profit and prophet, profit means net gain you retard.

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What a lovely religion, furnace of fire?! Wailing and gnashing of teeth?? Immortal man-eating worms?? Unquenchable fire??

Notice how MY GOD DOESNT take delight in this. NOTICE how the gnashing of teeth is written by Matthew not GODS DIRECT WORDS. And my sects form of hell isn’t a literal lake of fire but it’s seen as metaphorical. And what they mean by worms and fire is that your soul will be burnt up in torment very sad but expected as gods love is like a booming fire and it will engulf you from the inside out like worms. but notice once again there’s no enjoyment in saying this.

BUT your god takes delight in this torturing people is enjoyable to him lol

Your gods the devil a pathetic Sadist but even your god the devil called Mohammed out in sura 33:37 with him fucking his adopted sons wife looool

Even Allah was like “Bruh I’m the devil but bruh you can’t be doing this cuh”

The more you say the more you body Islam lol Islam is in the top 3 worst things to ever happen to humanity

 

[TheChubbinator]

Notice how MY GOD DOESNT take delight in this. NOTICE how the gnashing of teeth is written by Matthew not GODS DIRECT WORDS. And my sects form of hell isn’t a literal lake of fire but it’s seen as metaphorical. And what they mean by worms and fire is that your soul will be burnt up in torment very sad but expected as gods love is like a booming fire and it will engulf you from the inside out like worms. but notice once again there’s no enjoyment in saying this.

BUT your god takes delight in this torturing people is enjoyable to him lol

Your gods the devil a pathetic Sadist but even your god the devil called Mohammed out in sura 33:37 with him fucking his adopted sons wife looool

Even Allah was like “Bruh I’m the devil but bruh you can’t be doing this cuh”

The more you say the more you body Islam lol Islam is in the top 3 worst things to ever happen to humanity

whats your sect? notice how you keep changing topic and fucking yourself in the ass? "Saar we wont actually do bad in hell saar it is metaphor saar!!!" "saar trust matthew he is speaking for god bible is true saar!" yet you say hes not even right?

your god does things he doesnt enjoy because hes weak? My true god has wisdom in everything he does, and you can stop trying to reduce how god "feels". hes not a human that feels pleasure, do you really think you can even process how he "feels"?

youre literally a heretic thats no different from a jew, "everything is metaphor saar hell not real saar!!"