(GTFIH) THIS STUDY shows masseter size correlates with DOWNWARD growth in ADULTS

[Soalian]

"As the masseter became larger, the anterior maxillary region tended to shift downwards relative to the cranial base, whereas the posterior region tended to shift upwards."

Relationship between masseter muscle size and maxillary morphology - PubMed

The aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between masseter muscle size and craniofacial morphology, focusing on the maxilla. Twenty-four patients (11 males and 13 females; mean age 27.6 ± 5.6 years) underwent cephalometric analyses. Ultrasonography was used to measure the...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Big masseters should give you kind of a clockwise rotation then?

Brb going to atrophy them real quick

 

[Deleted member 9670]

this had been posted before

 

[Soalian]

this had been posted before

Maybe, but who gave a f**k then?

Still, this issue is super important for good aesthetics.

Most people here want results, but don't want to bother understanding the mechanisms.

 

[Soalian]

"Muh Chewing is a meme bruh, don't fall for it!"

Yes, but why?

THAT IS WHY

 

[ElySioNs]

So should I just stop chewing gum? My masseters are quite big

 

[Deleted member 7076]

i stopped chewing months ago

if u dont have a wide jaw naturally leanmaxxed, then just get surgery, dont bother with chewing

 

[Soalian]

I'm asking you, why are you chewing for bigger masseters in the first place?

That's the real question?

 

[Deleted member 9670]

So should I just stop chewing gum? My masseters are quite big

no keep chewing

 

[Soalian]

So should I just stop chewing gum? My masseters are quite big

I'm asking you, why are you chewing for bigger masseters in the first place?

That's the real question?

 

[ElySioNs]

I already have a sharp jawline from side, but my jawline isn't really wide in front

 

[ElySioNs]

Basically im trying to make my jawline wider from front

 

[Soalian]

this had been posted before

That's a problem, I've been browsing through the Looksmaxxing section archive recently,

SO MANY REDUNDANT THREADS ASKING FOR THE SAME THING,

debating the same issues ad nauseam, WHILE GOOD, EDUCATED ANSWERS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BEFORE,

that's unbelievable, as if no one ever bothers to use the search function here ever.

 

[Soalian]

Basically im trying to make my jawline wider from front

Can you PM me pic or not? I can give you opinion

 

[Deleted member 685]

No it doesn't you fucking moron, that had to do with post bimax skeletal adaptions

 

[Soalian]

No it doesn't you fucking moron, that had to do with post bimax skeletal adaptions

I just want the freaking "chewing for masseters" meme to end, for good

 

[Deleted member 685]

I just want the freaking "chewing for masseters" meme to end, for good

You think you chew for your biceps?

The study was about post bimax people who had skeletal changes, doesn't have anything to do with just chewing.

 

[Soalian]

You think you chew for your biceps?

The study was about post bimax people who had skeletal changes, doesn't have anything to do with just chewing.

Have you read whole study?

Can't access it

 

[Soalian]

You think you chew for your biceps?

The study was about post bimax people who had skeletal changes, doesn't have anything to do with just chewing.

I guess at least, most users here will have to get Bimax at some point, therefore it might be relevant to them at some point.

 

[Soalian]

You think you chew for your biceps?

The study was about post bimax people who had skeletal changes, doesn't have anything to do with just chewing.

Where in this study, is mentioned it's about post-bimax patients? I don't see it?

 

[pizza]

@portuguesecel

 

[pizza]

no keep chewing

just chew good quality meat,water

 

[tiagomiguel]

In that study it also was mention that the posterior maxilla shifts upwards, wich means, your lower parte of the cheekbone will became more prominent in forward motion. What i understand from that study, basically, only the anterior maxilla shift downwards and that will make your low nose/pilhtrum area more straight.
CW rotation of the maxilla only, not in the mandibule.

 

[tiagomiguel]

Also, if you believe chewing can change bones in your 20s, you should also believe mewing can. Or you believe in both or in neither.
If so, you can counter chewing CW maxilla action with mewing. If you think it is cope, just chew for massester, since bones change is cope in adults.

 

[Soalian]

Also, if you believe chewing can change bones in your 20s, you should also believe mewing can. Or you believe in both or in neither.
If so, you can counter chewing CW maxilla action with mewing. If you think it is cope, just chew for massester, since bones change is cope in adults.

No, I only believe in muscle force (masseter) outweighing bone force, while mewing would be only bones?

I believe in what surgeon told me before, "In a battle between muscles and bones, the muscles will always win".

 

[Soalian]

In that study it also was mention that the posterior maxilla shifts upwards, wich means, your lower parte of the cheekbone will became more prominent in forward motion. What i understand from that study, basically, only the anterior maxilla shift downwards and that will make your low nose/pilhtrum area more straight.
CW rotation of the maxilla only, not in the mandibule.

A more downward anterior maxillary part, should then maybe give you less upper lip prominence, as well as more philtrum visibility from front?

 

[Soalian]

In that study it also was mention that the posterior maxilla shifts upwards, wich means, your lower parte of the cheekbone will became more prominent in forward motion. What i understand from that study, basically, only the anterior maxilla shift downwards and that will make your low nose/pilhtrum area more straight.
CW rotation of the maxilla only, not in the mandibule.

I meant, such rotation (downward swing from anterior maxilla) should give you longer midface

 

[Soalian]

In that study it also was mention that the posterior maxilla shifts upwards, wich means, your lower parte of the cheekbone will became more prominent in forward motion. What i understand from that study, basically, only the anterior maxilla shift downwards and that will make your low nose/pilhtrum area more straight.
CW rotation of the maxilla only, not in the mandibule.

"The masseter, which is attached to the zygomatic arch and masseteric tuberosity, may affect both the mandible and the maxilla"

Relationship between masseter muscle size and maxillary morphology

Abstract. The aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between masseter muscle size and craniofacial morphology, focusing on the maxilla. Twenty-fo

academic.oup.com

 

[Stare]

OP didn't even read the article, same for most retards on the thread

 

[Deleted member 13197]

too low iq to understand, is chewing cope?

 

[tiagomiguel]

I meant, such rotation (downward swing from anterior maxilla) should give you longer midface

Yes you are right.
Keep in mind that the study does not address chewing directly. Most people nowadays have big massester due to clenching, not chewing hard foods.
The constant clenching forces on the face may have different results from chewing hard foods for massester gains.

Now spectulating, the study said bite force did not correlate with CW maxilla rotation. So people with big massesters had the same bit force has the ones with smaller ones. If you chew hard lets say, 1 hour a day, like a workout session, wouldn't that give you a stronger bite?
On the other hand, having a constant force like clenching a muscle 24/7, will not give your muscle any strength...

 

[Soalian]

Yes you are right.
Keep in mind that the study does not address chewing directly. Most people nowadays have big massester due to clenching, not chewing hard foods.
The constant clenching forces on the face may have different results from chewing hard foods for massester gains.

Now spectulating, the study said bite force did not correlate with CW maxilla rotation. So people with big massesters had the same bit force has the ones with smaller ones. If you chew hard lets say, 1 hour a day, like a workout session, wouldn't that give you a stronger bite?
On the other hand, having a constant force like clenching a muscle 24/7, will not give your muscle any strength...

You'll have to assume bite force is then perfectly correlated with masseter muscle size/volume/strength/...

 

[Deleted member 6695]

This is my pretty pretty much natural jaw and maxilla

Spoiler: .

 

[SOS-Sonic]

Well I guess chewing will increase bone mass of the jaw but it is not very conducive to upswing then?

But the counter argument is that if the ramus gets longer from chewing, the face will appear more upswing since the gonials of the jaw will be at a lower position relative to the rest of the face.

What are your guy's thoughts on this?
@betamanlet @retard

 

[Deleted member 6380]

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