Gym dates are such a joke

[Bitchwhipper2]

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How about this guy? This guy looks classic gym ascension from skinny guy to guy who looks like he's been training for 3-6 years.
Assuming his head breadth has stayed the same, and assuming his bidelt before hand is 16 inches, he went from 16 to 20"
My logic is if this guy took gear he'd maybe reach my goal

FYI I am not coping ,just asking questions

Another thing you said is if you put on 25kg in lean mass. What if you focused on shoulders specifically? And tried to put alot more muscle on your shoulders than other places.

That's not 16-20'

2 inches at the very most. I'd suspect closer to 1-1.5.
A little goes a long way when it comes to your bideltoid.

If you did a head measurement I'd suspect the big difference being due to angles a lens distortion

I have focused on shoulders specifically. Delts are one of my strongest muscle groups

I really don't mean to be discouraging. I'm just rehearing what I've observed within myself.

I hope you prove me wrong

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

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Bizygo [skull breadth] is mostly the same, at most 0.05 + or -

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Assuming 16. 19.2 [i guess I remembered wrong
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Assuming his is the same as mine, 19.8, which is basically negligible from 20"
So my logic came if I can have the same sort of ascension natty, and I specifically focused on shoulders, I'd maybe reach 19.5-20.5
+ with gear, I'd reach my goal

Well as I said, best of luck.
But keep what I've said in the back of your head so you don't get burnt if things don't turn out the way you hoped

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

I really don't mean to be discouraging. I'm just rehearing what I've observed within myself.

I hope you prove me wrong

I mean I'd rather think I can reach 20.5 like you and reach 20.5, than think I can reach 22.5-23. and reach 20.5
Cold truth better than warm lies yknow

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Well as I said, best of luck.
But keep what I've said in the back of your head so you don't get burnt if things don't turn out the way you hoped

If I don't reach 22.5 I'm lowkey going on a hard gear cycle atp