Happiness is lot more universal than what people would like us to believe

[Prettyboy]

I do recognize that we are all different and have different innate interests that carry the possibility to take us into the flow (a state where we forget about all our problems and only focus on the joy of our loved activity)
but that’s a rather special situation that does not happen that often.

When people say happiness is subjective and the luckiest people might not be happier than someone who has little but enjoys themselves, I call that a cope.

I believe being either happy or sad as your default state is pretty much your genetic quality. People who look better, who are more genetically gifted just live a happier life than those who are ugly.

That’s why when a celebrity like Maher or Mike Thurston comes up people cope so hard with their lifestyle being “shallow” or “superficial”

But the thing is, one hour of that lifestyle brings more dopamine than a stemcel’s whole life of indulging in his special interest.

We are all human and if ugly people had the opportunity to live like chads, they wouldn’t hesitate for a second taking it.

All this happiness being subjective talk is bullshit. It’s in a way similar to “degeneracy” - everyone who doesn’t get to participate in it talks of it like the biggest evil that needs to be purged, yet if they ever got the chance to experience it, they would never want to go back to their “non degenerate” life.

 

[Prettyboy]

Dopamine = good genes

No matter what you accomplish professionally or as a hobby interest, if you are a genetic dead end you will still live a miserable life

 

[Chadelite]

Let the wageslaves cope

 

[Deleted member 17595]

Dopamine = good genes

No matter what you accomplish professionally or as a hobby interest, if you are a genetic dead end you will still live a miserable life

What if you have a mental illness like depression? Do u think that happens only to ugly people or do you not believe in that at all?

 

[Deleted member 16288]

Maher or Mike Thurston

OP was the last person I expected to use these names

 

[Prettyboy]

What if you have a mental illness like depression? Do u think that happens only to ugly people or do you not believe in that at all?

Mental illness is almost all about genetics but so is looks, the two are inseperatable from each other imo.

If someone is a mentally ill truecel (like a full blown autist), chances are his father is too, they just got luckier with less hypergamy going on in the past so they got to reproduce. But their autistic son might very well be the end of their bloodline in the current world

 

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[Deleted member 16275]

But the thing is, one hour of that lifestyle brings more dopamine than a stemcel’s whole life of indulging in his special interest.

How do you say?

 

[wollet2]

I believe being either happy or sad as your default state is pretty much your genetic quality. People who look better, who are more genetically gifted just live a happier life than those who are ugly.

why was kurt cobain sad

bcuz he was more sentient than these guys

anyway i see people that appear happier than me outside, i have no clue how they actually feel like i have no clue how a pig feels

 

[Deleted member 17595]

Mental illness is almost all about genetics but so is looks, the two are inseperatable from each other imo.

If someone is a mentally ill truecel (like a full blown autist), chances are his father is too, they just got luckier with less hypergamy going on in the past so they got to reproduce. But their autistic son might very well be the end of their bloodline in the current world

I think mental illness(such as depression,anxiety,bipolar) can get be environmental if you experience like childhood trauma, bullying or whatever in your developing years, no?
Mental illness like autism is definitely genetic though.
Would you also say then that the only way for someone very attractive or rich and stuff(with a good life simply put) to be mentally ill, is to be genetically predispositioned to mental illness?

 

[JovenCansao]

Looks heavily influence this too

A truecel living the life of chad (parties, friends and such) will not get as much dopamine as being comfy rotting in his room.

 

[Deleted member 19911]

All this happiness being subjective talk is bullshit. It’s in a way similar to “degeneracy” - everyone who doesn’t get to participate in it talks of it like the biggest evil that needs to be purged, yet if they ever got the chance to experience it, they would never want to go back to their “non degenerate” life.

This, I hate how tradcons talk about muh “reject degeneracy” when they see foids being whores however I guarantee that if one day they woke up as a 10/10 Giga Chad who could slay any foid that he wanted he would most definetely indulge in as much degeneracy as he possibly could. Traditionalism is just a fever dream for incels who don’t get any pussy.

 

[Prettyboy]

OP was the last person I expected to use these names

Thurston is the prime example of what I’m talking about

The guy does nothing but parties on yachts all day fucking stacies, works out with his bros, eats well and enjoys the sun. Sometimes takes a selfie and posts it on social media

To any coper, he is the perfect embodiment of shallowness - he does nothing to improve soyciety, he does not invent anything

But despite this he is getting more dopamine than anyone else here. Life is about enjoying yourself above all, only copers value contributing to soyciety

 

[Jungcuck]

Health and genetic are all that matters. You can have the same day, if you're fresh with no disease you will be happy but if you're sick you will trash talk about everything. Also some people are born with an happy mood that nothing can beat. Same as a melancolic one. You should read "The Wisdom Of Life" from Schopenhauer.

"But what, above all, contributes the most
directly to our happiness, it's a mood
playful, because this good quality immediately finds
its own reward. Indeed, the one who is
gay always has reason to be gay by the very fact that he
ballast. Nothing can replace so completely
all other goods than this quality, during
that itself cannot be replaced by anything.
Let a man be young, handsome, rich and respected;
to be able to judge his happiness, the question will be
to know if, moreover, he is gay/cheerful; on the other hand, is it
gay, so it doesn't matter if he's young or old, well
made or hunchbacked, poor or rich; he is happy"

 

[Prettyboy]

This, I hate how tradcons talk about muh “reject degeneracy” when they see foids being whores however I guarantee that if one day they woke up as a 10/10 Giga Chad who could slay any foid that he wanted he would most definetely indulge in as much degeneracy as he possibly could. Traditionalism is just a fever dream for incels who don’t get any pussy.

Shitting on degeneracy as an incel is the same dynamic as when poor people laugh at a Lamborghini being ugly. They are so far from acquiring it that they can afford to say whatever they want. If they had the choice, they would drive away with it tho

The only credible people talking about degeneracy are the ones who have the option to indulge in it but choose not to.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Complete bullshit.

In ancient times people worked on fields the entire day and were more happy then nowadays.

I even see this with my grandfathers.

Zero cortisol despite having lived a supposedly "shitty" live.

 

[AlexAP]

I think you are mostly right, but it depends on life stages too. Certainly some men cen get tired of slaying at some point and enjoy more being with one woman and creating a family.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Tbh the rising depression rates in females debunks this entire thread. They get more dopamine then any male out there. And still have more depression.

 

[AlexAP]

Tbh the rising depression rates in females debunks this entire thread. They get more dopamine then any male out there. And still have more depression.

I doubt this is true, men just hide it more than women. But the suicide rates are higher for men.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I doubt this is true, men just hide it more than women. But the suicide rates are higher for men.

Even then, 30% of young females report depression. Even though they have extreme amount of dopamine.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I doubt this is true, men just hide it more than women. But the suicide rates are higher for men.

Overall, we as a society collectlivly get more and more dopamine, but get unhappier day by day...

 

[Prettyboy]

Tbh the rising depression rates in females debunks this entire thread. They get more dopamine then any male out there. And still have more depression.

In women’s case a lot of it is neuroticism tbh, they were meant to be chaotic in the head

You do have a point, it might stand it’s ground better if we are talking about men.

 

[Jungcuck]

I doubt this is true, men just hide it more than women. But the suicide rates are higher for men.

women commit suicide attempt 3x times mor than men, but men succeed more

 

[omarthegoat195]

I do recognize that we are all different and have different innate interests that carry the possibility to take us into the flow (a state where we forget about all our problems and only focus on the joy of our loved activity)
but that’s a rather special situation that does not happen that often.

When people say happiness is subjective and the luckiest people might not be happier than someone who has little but enjoys themselves, I call that a cope.

I believe being either happy or sad as your default state is pretty much your genetic quality. People who look better, who are more genetically gifted just live a happier life than those who are ugly.

That’s why when a celebrity like Maher or Mike Thurston comes up people cope so hard with their lifestyle being “shallow” or “superficial”

But the thing is, one hour of that lifestyle brings more dopamine than a stemcel’s whole life of indulging in his special interest.

We are all human and if ugly people had the opportunity to live like chads, they wouldn’t hesitate for a second taking it.

All this happiness being subjective talk is bullshit. It’s in a way similar to “degeneracy” - everyone who doesn’t get to participate in it talks of it like the biggest evil that needs to be purged, yet if they ever got the chance to experience it, they would never want to go back to their “non degenerate” life.

nah blud’s on some philosophical shit but yea i agree ur whole life is pretty much determined by genetics

 

[Nectar]

Preach thaa

 

[Prettyboy]

women commit suicide attempt 3x times mor than men, but men succeed more

That’s the side effect of so much dopamine imo, even little disturbances can break their psyche because they are so used to having all things handed to them in life.

Men has to endure a lot more shit from life so they are more resilient, if they do choose to rope it’s usually a very serious problem they are unable to face.

 

[rl⠀]

I mog you in everything

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Tbh now that I think about it the current mental health crisis might be caused by the huge discrepancy of the amount of dopamine a guy gets and experiences at home and his actual life in outside.

At home (online) he indulges in all kinds of degeneracy, endless scrolling on social media, addicted to that dopamine, complete degenerate porn consumption. He gets way too much dopamine.

But then he goes out and works a dead end job with 0 dopamine. This discrepancy might be what is causing the mental health crisis.

People in the past also had a pretty monotone life, but they did't knew anything else. It was all they knew.

Nowadays you supposedly experience that deceneracy and dopamine, but not actually in reallife. So you end up depressed.

Meanwhile Mike Thurston lives it, so he has a happy live.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Tbh the rising depression rates in females debunks this entire thread. They get more dopamine then any male out there. And still have more depression.

Depression among women is a bluepilled myth. Weird that you talk about it like this here.


Women's issues are simply far more outspoken in public and receive far more sympathy and attention.
For every depressed female that talkes about it in public, there's 10 depressed guys that suffer in silence.

 

[Myth]

Happiness is for faggots

All that matters is securing the continuation of your blood.

Jfl @ shagging whores if your not impregnating them

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Women's issues are simply far more outspoken in public and receive far more sympathy and attention.
For every depressed female that talkes about it in public, there's 10 depressed guys that suffer in silence.

30% is still a huge number of depressed young females.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

30% is still a huge number of depressed young females.

'Depression' doesn't mean much. I've gone to depression group sessions and the average woman that is 'depressed' is just a bit unhappy her life isn't perfect like the instagram influencers she's obsessed about.

Completely uncompareable to male depression (which actually leads to suicide and brutal life quality).

 

[Jungcuck]

30% is still a huge number of depressed young females.

maps I did on suicide for men and women

 

[Deleted member 21735]

i gave up on love and happiness long time ago

 

[Prettyboy]

'Depression' doesn't mean much. I've gone to depression group sessions and the average woman that is 'depressed' is just a bit unhappy her life isn't perfect like the instagram influencers she's obsessed about.

Completely uncompareable to male depression (which actually leads to suicide and brutal life quality).

Male depression is magnitudes worse, women get sad at the most trivial things

Also they are overrepresented in suicide attempts because lot of them only do it for attention , thats why they usually choose meme methods that won’t kill them (like drugging themselves)

While if a guy comes to the conclusion that ending his life is easier than bearing the pain of existing, they usually choose methods that are almost guaranted to be fatal (like blowing their head off with a gun)

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

Except most of these guys will not be able to sustain this lifestyle over

All this 'partying' has health consequneces. I understand you're a shitskin gypsy living in Hungary, and never seen more than a $100 bill in your life. But not everything boils down to getting your rocks off

In the mind of an insecure narcy incel, sure that will be all he will think about. Mainly because he never got to experience it so the grass is greener on the other side mentality hits hard

But anyone with a normal functioning brain and the ability to empathize with differing perspectives can see that these lifestyles are all on camera for show. Not sustainable, and not happy guaranting. Look no further than the sleu of rising single moms, broken families, and other things that degeneracy has brought to the West to see the effects


Ultimately happiness doesn't matter anyway and having a fulfilling life with meaningful connections is much better. The best irony being, that most incles parents have good marriages and a good social circle. Moms that care for you and aren't feeding you pop tarts at the back of a druggie bus stop like most single moms do. Yet incels will watch a Mike THruston party in Ibiza video in his air conditioned suburban home, much like you did before making this post, and start whining about their genetics and how others will always have it better than them

Social media is so sad, and the people that fall for it are even worse.

 

[OGJBSLAYER]

You are partially right

Being a Chad definitely gets you more pleasure (mental and physical) , leading to short time happiness ... BUT it fries your brain once you get used to partying/slaying/driving fast cars/rich people shit

To give an analogy. I imagine all prisoners think we are kings on earth for being free to do anything. But this is only an illusion. Once they get out of prison, it may feel really good for a few days, weeks or even a few months BUT this happiness which arises from obtaining what they lacked disappears eventually

Life can be summed up in 3 states

Unconsciousness - When you are asleep more or less

Pleasure and Suffering - When you are doing what you enjoy and lost in the moment or either suffering really hard and unable to cope

Boredom - When you get to experience the emptiness of life once the experience of pleasure/pain comes to an end - You can group this under suffering as well but it's a more of an existential angst

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Male depression is magnitudes worse, women get sad at the most trivial things

I had a woman in my social circle that goes to therapy because she doesnt like that she is becoming less interested in socializing since her mid 20s. And she doesnt like it, so she decided to get therapy for it. And has been for years at the cost of taxpayer money.

I know multiple successful, good-looking women like this that go to therapy. Its basically considered 'normal' and not really a sign of severe mental issues. Literally women going to therapy to help get over a break-up etc. Shit like that.

She is goodlooking, has a bf, good family relationship and shitton of friends btw.

I started a discussion that eventually led to me saying how men with 'simple' mental issues like that would never look for help, especially not for something like that. And they would just live with it and be like, 'thats life i quess'

Most people in that social circle are feminist, even the men. So it got me some very negative feedback and i dont get invited to social stuff anymore there jfl.

Never talk about male oppression and the struggle among women and their simps.

Also they are overrepresented in suicide attempts because lot of them only do it for attention , thats why they usually choose meme methods that won’t kill them (like drugging themselves)

While if a guy comes to the conclusion that ending his life is easier than bearing the pain of existing, they usually choose methods that are almost guaranted to be fatal (like blowing their head off with a gun)

All female issues are over represented in general in the media.

People will talk about how chad pumps and dumps, guys dont commit, arent 'grown up enough' in their late twenties+.
But nobody will ever talk about inceldom and the male struggle in dating. The huge standards, expectations, brutal competition, etc.

Same with depression/suicide. Depressed men retreat from society, cope with Vidya and alcohol/drugs etc. Rot away or suicide/overdose.

Meanwhile women with 'depression' will seek attention. Make attention fake suicide attempts. Talk about how bad they are feeling to everyone around them. Etc.


Idk what can be done about this anyways.

Its largely male vs female nature;
Men arent gonna get much sympathy for their issues, you are expected to be a winner, compliant slave or take huge risks (like crime/violence/massive self-improvement).

Which will always make it hard for male issues to get attention. There aint even really any male role models anymore, dads have become cucks largely. Public education doesn't really suit men very well etc.

So you get these weird guys like peterson/tate/hamza etc filling that role for views/money. Or even this blackpill/incel community for that matter.

All of those arent really the healthiest way to deal with our male issues, but its often all men have in the modern world.

@Marsik @Ketamine @BrahminBoss @Aladin @infini @Clown Show @bloomercel @stunna @Danish_Retard @AlexAP @JudgeandJury @Elvisandreaa @Makhachev

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Writing essays here smh while i cant spend a couple of hours working on finishing my studies. Over

 

[Deleted member 16288]

Thurston is the prime example of what I’m talking about

The guy does nothing but parties on yachts all day fucking stacies, works out with his bros, eats well and enjoys the sun. Sometimes takes a selfie and posts it on social media

To any coper, he is the perfect embodiment of shallowness - he does nothing to improve soyciety, he does not invent anything

But despite this he is getting more dopamine than anyone else here. Life is about enjoying yourself above all, only copers value contributing to soyciety

Do you think he life mogs chadlite zoomer TikTok eboy lifestyle?

 

[Deleted member 30283]

What abouts monks, priests, truly spiritual people?, there are litterly studies showing their brain scans on how more much more dopamine they had then your average person.

 

[Prettyboy]

Tbh now that I think about it the current mental health crisis might be caused by the huge discrepancy of the amount of dopamine a guy gets and experiences at home and his actual life in outside.

At home (online) he indulges in all kinds of degeneracy, endless scrolling on social media, addicted to that dopamine, complete degenerate porn consumption. He gets way too much dopamine.

But then he goes out and works a dead end job with 0 dopamine. This discrepancy might be what is causing the mental health crisis.

People in the past also had a pretty monotone life, but they did't knew anything else. It was all they knew.

Nowadays you supposedly experience that deceneracy and dopamine, but not actually in reallife. So you end up depressed.

Meanwhile Mike Thurston lives it, so he has a happy live.

What abouts monks, priests, truly spiritual people?, there are litterly studies showing their brain scans on how more much more dopamine they had then your average person.

Tbh feudal people, monks, priests etc. can be happy and content with their situation as long as they are not exposed to others that lifemog them. Priests voluntarily go away from society, while peasants in the past simply had a limited scope of the world.

This reminds me of some traveller’s story where Europeans visited a very poor, rural part of Africa. Thinking that it will benefit the locals, they brought modern gifts with them, imagine things like a playstation.

The locals seemed content with their life, but as soon as they were introduced to modern technology, they felt depressed if they had to go back to their old ways.

I see this as an analogy of coming out of the cave. Until you are in the cave, you can be content with your situation because there is nothing to compare it to. But after you leave the cave, from the outside you suddenly see how bad it really was living in the cave.

 

[Prettyboy]

I had a woman in my social circle that goes to therapy because she doesnt like that she is becoming less interested in socializing since her mid 20s. And she doesnt like it, so she decided to get therapy for it. And has been for years at the cost of taxpayer money.

I know multiple successful, good-looking women like this that go to therapy. Its basically considered 'normal' and not really a sign of severe mental issues. Literally women going to therapy to help get over a break-up etc. Shit like that.

She is goodlooking, has a bf, good family relationship and shitton of friends btw.

I started a discussion that eventually led to me saying how men with 'simple' mental issues like that would never look for help, especially not for something like that. And they would just live with it and be like, 'thats life i quess'

Most people in that social circle are feminist, even the men. So it got me some very negative feedback and i dont get invited to social stuff anymore there jfl.

Never talk about male oppression and the struggle among women and their simps.

This sounds like she uses therapy as a channel to reinforce her own thoughts / give validation to herself through the therapist. She has already made up her mind, she has options, but telling her minor problems and them getting feedback will make her decisions validated.

Therapy won’t do shit for serious problems. I’ve heard of people exposed to major psychological trauma (like being in a tragedy) explaining how they have been attending therapy for decades on the regulaf and their improvements are minor at best, negligible at worst.

All female issues are over represented in general in the media.

People will talk about how chad pumps and dumps, guys dont commit, arent 'grown up enough' in their late twenties+.
But nobody will ever talk about inceldom and the male struggle in dating. The huge standards, expectations, brutal competition, etc.

Same with depression/suicide. Depressed men retreat from society, cope with Vidya and alcohol/drugs etc. Rot away or suicide/overdose.

Meanwhile women with 'depression' will seek attention. Make attention fake suicide attempts. Talk about how bad they are feeling to everyone around them. Etc.


Idk what can be done about this anyways.

Its largely male vs female nature;
Men arent gonna get much sympathy for their issues, you are expected to be a winner, compliant slave or take huge risks (like crime/violence/massive self-improvement).

Which will always make it hard for male issues to get attention. There aint even really any male role models anymore, dads have become cucks largely. Public education doesn't really suit men very well etc.

So you get these weird guys like peterson/tate/hamza etc filling that role for views/money. Or even this blackpill/incel community for that matter.

All of those arent really the healthiest way to deal with our male issues, but its often all men have in the modern world.

Society runs on misandry. Every story gets framed so that the male participant(s) can be blamed.

Some examples:

- interracial dating. SEAwomen that are obsessed with white men: her choice. White men that have a preference for Asian women: dirty yellow fevered predators

- rape. Dressing like a whore and going to a club (where people go for sexual selection) - of course it’s some horny drunk guy who is 100% to blame for and will get lynched in prison for it.

- war. Never mind men lose their life or their limbs, the biggest victims are women who lose their husband.

I could bring out examples like this for hours, society hates men and loves women

 

[Prettyboy]

Do you think he life mogs chadlite zoomer TikTok eboy lifestyle?

Hard to generalize zoomers on social media because some of them do have a very solid family background so those of course have enviable lifestyles

But many of those so called eboys are just barely above average guysthat put up a show online with their aesthetics but otherwise they dont have anything going on for them

I don’t know how Thurston’s youth was but now he certainly lives the lifestyle most men would gladly accept as their own

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Tbh feudal people, monks, priests etc. can be happy and content with their situation as long as they are not exposed to others that lifemog them. Priests voluntarily go away from society, while peasants in the past simply had a limited scope of the world.

This reminds me of some traveller’s story where Europeans visited a very poor, rural part of Africa. Thinking that it will benefit the locals, they brought modern gifts with them, imagine things like a playstation.

The locals seemed content with their life, but as soon as they were introduced to modern technology, they felt depressed if they had to go back to their old ways.

I see this as an analogy of coming out of the cave. Until you are in the cave, you can be content with your situation because there is nothing to compare it to. But after you leave the cave, from the outside you suddenly see how bad it really was living in the cave.

Theres nothing wrong with coping by isolating yourself like this though.

50+ years ago before the internet even existed, people would isolate themselves in various ways.

Living in nature, living in a religious community, etc.

Now that we are connected to the Internet. People mogging us everywhere 24/7, its more relevant than ever to distance yourself from mainstream culture/society like that for some people.