"HARMONY" : alternative terminologies

[Racky]

Harmony as it is understood right now on this forum is a very nebulous concept.
Usually when people say "harmony" they either mean 2 things :

1. Ratios and proportions
2. Having mostly average or above average features, rather than like 1 insane halo with mostly below average features.

Two related concepts, as someone with good ratios will usually have mostly good features, because good features usually cause good ratios, but different things.
Harmony does mean both of those things since harmony means "how well each element fits together".

The problem is that when having a discussion with a poster here, and he uses the word "harmony", it's often hard to know what he is actually talking about. Is he talking about ratios and proportions? Is he talking about the subject having mostly >=average features? You don't know. Sometimes you can use context but context does not always make things clear.

I thus propose 2 alternative terms that more clearly communicate what is meant :

1. Proportions. Having good proportions means that you have mostly good ratios and proportions
2. Congruity (... of good features). Having decent congruity means that most of your features are at least average, having very good congruity means that you have mostly above average features. So someone with 1 insane feature but mostly below average traits has lower congruity than someone with mostly average features and 1 decent feature.

That clears off confusion because if you say "she has a very congruent face", no one will think you are talking about "she" having good ratios, but that her face as a whole has mostly good features. Whereas if you say "she has very good proportions", no one will think you are talking about "she" having mostly above average features. Usually they go hand-in-hand and cause each others, but a person with great proportions can still have bad congruity, especially with softmins like bad skin quality, receding hair, thinning eyebrows, under eye dark circles, etc.... Proportions do not take into account "soft" halos that aren't from hard tissue like eye color, eyelashes, coloring, luminance etc... but congruity does.
Previous thread about alternative eye terminologies

 

[Deleted member 17829]

did not

 

[Deleted member 9467]

imo harmony = some multivariate equation based on ratios

just a shit ton of ratios that we never look into, like gonial angle to ear height, pfl to eyebrow length, orbital height to chin projection

some obsurd shit

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Harmony as it is understood right now on this forum is a very nebulous concept.
Usually when people say "harmony" they either mean 2 things :

1. Ratios and proportions
2. Having mostly average or above average features, rather than like 1 insane halo with mostly below average features.

Two related concepts, as someone with good ratios will usually have mostly good features, because good features usually cause good ratios, but different things.
Harmony does mean both of those things since harmony means "how well each element fits together".

The problem is that when having a discussion with a poster here, and he uses the word "harmony", it's often hard to know what he is actually talking about. Is he talking about ratios and proportions? Is he talking about the subject having mostly >=average features? You don't know. Sometimes you can use context but context does not always make things clear.

I thus propose 2 alternative terms that more clearly communicate what is meant :

1. Proportions. Having good proportions means that you have mostly good ratios and proportions
2. Congruity (... of good features). Having decent congruity means that most of your features are at least average, having very good congruity means that you have mostly above average features. So someone with 1 insane feature but mostly below average traits has lower congruity than someone with mostly average features and 1 decent feature.

That clears off confusion because if you say "she has a very congruent face", no one will think you are talking about "she" having good ratios, but that her face as a whole has mostly good features. Whereas if you say "she has very good proportions", no one will think you are talking about "she" having mostly above average features. Usually they go hand-in-hand and cause each others, but a person with great proportions can still have bad congruity, especially with softmins like bad skin quality, receding hair, thinning eyebrows, under eye dark circles, etc.... Proportions do not take into account "soft" halos that aren't from hard tissue like eye color, eyelashes, coloring, luminance etc... but congruity does.
Previous thread about alternative eye terminologies

But isn't congruity a like... half-synonym of harmony though? Not trying to discredit what you're saying.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I'd say harmony is this

• Ratios
• Proportions
• Lack of uncannyness

 

[Deleted member 16380]

Harmony as it is understood right now on this forum is a very nebulous concept.
Usually when people say "harmony" they either mean 2 things :

1. Ratios and proportions
2. Having mostly average or above average features, rather than like 1 insane halo with mostly below average features.

Two related concepts, as someone with good ratios will usually have mostly good features, because good features usually cause good ratios, but different things.
Harmony does mean both of those things since harmony means "how well each element fits together".

The problem is that when having a discussion with a poster here, and he uses the word "harmony", it's often hard to know what he is actually talking about. Is he talking about ratios and proportions? Is he talking about the subject having mostly >=average features? You don't know. Sometimes you can use context but context does not always make things clear.

I thus propose 2 alternative terms that more clearly communicate what is meant :

1. Proportions. Having good proportions means that you have mostly good ratios and proportions
2. Congruity (... of good features). Having decent congruity means that most of your features are at least average, having very good congruity means that you have mostly above average features. So someone with 1 insane feature but mostly below average traits has lower congruity than someone with mostly average features and 1 decent feature.

That clears off confusion because if you say "she has a very congruent face", no one will think you are talking about "she" having good ratios, but that her face as a whole has mostly good features. Whereas if you say "she has very good proportions", no one will think you are talking about "she" having mostly above average features. Usually they go hand-in-hand and cause each others, but a person with great proportions can still have bad congruity, especially with softmins like bad skin quality, receding hair, thinning eyebrows, under eye dark circles, etc.... Proportions do not take into account "soft" halos that aren't from hard tissue like eye color, eyelashes, coloring, luminance etc... but congruity does.
Previous thread about alternative eye terminologies

Good thread, but I think harmony is more difficult than that.

Harmony includes:

1) Coloring.

Blue eyes on a Scandinavian look trivial, while on a dark haired guy they can be a ticket to modelling business if a lucky mugshot is taken.

Same for e.g. eyebrows: dense eyebrows are great... on a snow-white guy? They are shit because invisible. Many other similar examples.

2) Dimorphism != Good looks.

This forum is too deep into the rabbit hole of "muh hunter eyes", "muh jaw" and "muh hollow cheeks". NONE of these features are attractive on their own, they need specific faces to pull it off. None of them guarantee 100% 7/8 PSL. If you just combine all of them, you will most probably get an ogre.

Also, e.g. prominent cheekbones are NOT even MASCULINE! Prominent cheekbones ARE FEMININE trait. So, MOST models HAVE FEMININE CHEEKBONES. Question: does it make them low appeal? NOPE. This is harmony: the face needs BOTH FEMININE AND MASCULINE TRAITS, to achieve the perfect SMV.

How you combine masculine and feminine features, strong and weak features, is what constitutes harmony. THink of nonlinear relationship of attractiveness with the number of dimorphic features on the face.

3) ANGLES.

Some features, like tall chins, look retarded in anteface, while in 3/4 profile and profile they mog.

One usually has some kind of angle where they look like shit. HARMONY is the state of MEDIAN, where the face does not look extremely good at some angle, but it looks VERY GOOD IN ALL OF THEM:

 

[Racky]

But isn't congruity a like... half-synonym of harmony though?

It's a synonym but it doesn't convey the meaning of having good ratios unlike "harmony". When someone says "congruity" you think "X being congruent with Y"(congruity, X and Y being features), not necessarily "X fitting well into Y"(ratios, X being a feature and Y a space(the face)). So it more clearly communicate that specific meaning

I'd say harmony is this

• Ratios
• Proportions
• Lack of uncannyness

I would argue uncanniness is caused by poor ratios/proportions and a lack of congruity. Saying harmony is a lack of uncanniness would be like saying harmony is a lack of unattractiveness. You are confounding cause and effect.

 

[exeight]

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Good thread, but I think harmony is more difficult than that.

Harmony includes:

1) Coloring.

Blue eyes on a Scandinavian look trivial, while on a dark haired guy they can be a ticket to modelling business if a lucky mugshot is taken.

Same for e.g. eyebrows: dense eyebrows are great... on a snow-white guy? They are shit because invisible. Many other similar examples.

2) Dimorphism != Good looks.

This forum is too deep into the rabbit hole of "muh hunter eyes", "muh jaw" and "muh hollow cheeks". NONE of these features are attractive on their own, they need specific faces to pull it off. None of them guarantee 100% 7/8 PSL. If you just combine all of them, you will most probably get an ogre.

Also, e.g. prominent cheekbones are NOT even MASCULINE! Prominent cheekbones ARE FEMININE trait. So, MOST models HAVE FEMININE CHEEKBONES. Question: does it make them low appeal? NOPE. This is harmony: the face needs BOTH FEMININE AND MASCULINE TRAITS, to achieve the perfect SMV.

How you combine masculine and feminine features, strong and weak features, is what constitutes harmony. THink of nonlinear relationship of attractiveness with the number of dimorphic features on the face.

3) ANGLES.

Some features, like tall chins, look retarded in anteface, while in 3/4 profile and profile they mog.

One usually has some kind of angle where they look like shit. HARMONY is the state of MEDIAN, where the face does not look extremely good at some angle, but it looks VERY GOOD IN ALL OF THEM:

This.

thats why people look like ogre, when they have NO FEMININE features in their face
or people look less masculine when they have Feminine features but no masculine things

 

[Prettyboy]

One usually has some kind of angle where they look like shit. HARMONY is the state of MEDIAN, where the face does not look extremely good at some angle, but it looks VERY GOOD IN ALL OF THEM:

this is it imo. The more universally a face looks good, the more harmonius it is. If someone’s face only looks good in a certain position with certain lighting that means they might have striking features but they aren’t harmonius at all

Actors have the most harmonius faces because they have to look good from all kind of angles in all kind of light settings