Hell is abrahamic religions is straight up extremely infinitely cruel

[Deleted member 6695]

Srs, i think people just don't really realize how hell is described in Christianity and Islam, how can God burn a person alive for INFINITY for finite sins. Not only is it INFINITY which is bad as it is, but burning of all things, the most painful feeling a human body can have, and imagine that forever. It gets much much worse when you know that in abrahamic religions you legit just go to be burned in hell and tortured with severe eternal pain for simply not believing in a God.

For example you can be a very good person, give money to the poor, help people, be kind, never harm anybody, but you will end up being burned for just not believing in God...FOREVER. While a religious person can do actual terrible things, and henious crimes, be a trash of a human, but as long as he repents, believes in God and does the religious duties he will go to Heaven in eternal pleasure.

Eph 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

You see its impossible in human nature for a pedo to turn to christ. And works dont take you to heaven as the bible says alot
They rejected christ and are going to hell

 

[Deleted member 13462]

Again like i said, he doesn't have to care about the earth individually, but he should care about all the negative things that humans do to it, and to one another while living on it. If he says he does care like he does in his holy books, he clearly doesn't care enough to do anything to stop it. I have yet to see any divine intervention in my lifetime, no godrays descending from the clouds, with his holy messiah coming down to stop all the grief in the world. Again the point, is that god is not doing anything, when he says that he will. How fucking convenient that those who commit transgressions in this life, will only be punished in the "afterlife", away from our prying living mortal eyes, you know, i actually wouldn't mind seeing some of the most evil people to have ever lived being crucified and then set on fire right in front of me. Unfortunately that will never happen, im just going to have to "bELiEVE" that its going to happen to them in some fantasty "afterlife", after they stop breathing in this one.

By ur logic why would god create evil just to stop it evil is for a purpose like i mentioend above and the other muslim guy said

how can u say why hasnt god stoped evil when he created it ur not making any sense

 

[quakociaptockh]

Hell is not infinite. Hell is eternal. Time in hell doesn't exist. It doesn't make sense to apply our 4-dimensional intuitions to something that is unphysical.

On Earth you can change state. You can be a sinner at the moment or saint at the moment. But once you're dead, there's no time anymore. You are a sinner eternal or saint eternal.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Perhaps she believed in God and was an extreme sinner in regards to prostitution (which is not kufr, but has a physical punishment), perhaps the ruling of a messenger not reaching her was applied to her, etc, etc, etc, too many alternatives.

Even if she did believe, how can just one good deed like that guarantee her heaven, while she has done extremely bad sins like prostitution multiple times? This is if she was muslim

Impossible for the message to not have reached her when she lived near the muslim people, she absolutely knew of Islam

 

[CFW432]

Not true at all
Theres a story in islam which says that a prozy somone who sells there body gave water to a dying dog and went heavven for her actions

dogpill is real , and im sure thats not all that she did with that dog

 

[TsarTsar444]

Eph 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

You see its impossible in human nature for a pedo to turn to christ. And works dont take you to heaven as the bible says alot
They rejected christ and are going to hell

Yes exactly you burn for just not believing in God, it would only make sense if there was a very obvious miracle presented to all humans to see, amd if they still reject then i can see that logic being okay

 

[Baldingman1998]

ANOTHER 10 PAGE THREAD WITH COPING RELIGION CELS

BLACKPILL= EVOLUTION = NOT CREATIONALISM= ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC SINCE RELIGION DESCRIBES CREATIONALISM AND AGNOSTICISM CAN MEAN A GOD THAT CREATED EVOLOTION

 

[lutte]

@TsarTsar444 @ThatDjangoWalk is zarathusra also considered a prophet in islam bc monotheistic so that those who followed him before muhammed are considered believers?

 

[CFW432]

By ur logic why would god create evil just to stop it evil is for a purpose like i mentioend above and the other muslim guy said

how can u say why hasnt god stoped evil when he created it ur not making any sense

I dont believe that god created evil (if god is real in the first place), god didn't create evil, he created free will, which is allowing humans to do whatever they want.

 

[Deleted member 13462]

Even if she did believe, how can just one good deed like that guarantee her heaven, while she has done extremely bad sins like prostitution multiple times? This is if she was muslim

Impossible for the message to not have reached her when she lived near the muslim people, she absolutely knew of Islam

cuz she saved a life out of pure heart

 

[Deleted member 13462]

ANOTHER 10 PAGE THREAD WITH COPING RELIGION CELS

BLACKPILL= EVOLUTION = NOT CREATIONALISM= ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC SINCE RELIGION DESCRIBES CREATIONALISM AND AGNOSTICISM CAN MEAN A GOD THAT CREATED EVOLOTION

so u dont beileve in god beacsue ur ugly

 

[lutte]

ANOTHER 10 PAGE THREAD WITH COPING RELIGION CELS

BLACKPILL= EVOLUTION = NOT CREATIONALISM= ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC SINCE RELIGION DESCRIBES CREATIONALISM AND AGNOSTICISM CAN MEAN A GOD THAT CREATED EVOLOTION

If we take evolution as true that doesn't contradict religion in any way
Maybe that's what you're trying to say in the last part idk legit can't tell maybe it's hard to form a sentence after cooming 20 times

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Even if she did believe, how can just one good deed like that guarantee her heaven, while she has done extremely bad sins like prostitution multiple times? This is if she was muslim

Because of God's mercy, which we do not have any way to measure or say "It is entitled to this or that on this quantity". Tht's the maximum i can reach.

Impossible for the message to not have reached her when she lived near the muslim people, she absolutely knew of Islam

The hadith is the next: "Once a dog was going round the well and was about to die out of thirst. A prostitute of Banu Israel happened to see it. So she took off her leather sock and lowered it into the well. She drew out some water and gave the dog to drink. She was forgiven on account of her action".

Perhaps you readed it narrated differently or something (those kind of variations exist in hadith). The woman was a Banu Israil according to this one, probably from the people of Musa or Dawud, etc (alayhim a salam), we don't know much of her life.

Also feeding animals or not is seen as big in Islam. There is another different narration which says "A woman went to hell due to imprisoning a cat in the house. She did not give it any food and sid not let it go out and eat the insects on earth"

 

[Baldingman1998]

in Islam iit says that the people of heaven will see the people who got into one heavven above them and say i wish my skin was cut into bits in the wordly life to get to where he is above me

So to say that we understand the whole picture is just wrong to try and use our logic and try justfy why god created evil is just abusred

secondly if u dont beilve in god how u beilve in morals that doesnt make sense u cant justifiy ur morals as somone who doesnt beilve in god u only have preference that cant be right or wrong as it choice and atoms transfer no
Wrong choice or bad its just ur prefernce
so who are u to say that god made good or bad

@goat2x
I guess I should blow myself up and kill millions of people for no reason (if I could) just because I don't believe in religion then I'm immoral

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

@TsarTsar444 @ThatDjangoWalk is zarathusra also considered a prophet in islam bc monotheistic so that those who followed him before muhammed are considered believers?

Who said that? Just because of being monotheistic and prior to the Last Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam) does not grant that status.

 

[lutte]

Who said that? Just because of being monotheistic and prior to the Last Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam) does not grant that status.

I saw somewhere that they were considered people of the book
Maybe that was just something for political reasons after the arab conquest

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I saw somewhere that they were considered people of the book
Maybe that was just something for political reasons after the arab conquest

I never heard that, i will perhaps research later but i highly doubt it. Be careful with those kind of random interpretations, but who knows.

 

[TsarTsar444]

ANOTHER 10 PAGE THREAD WITH COPING RELIGION CELS

BLACKPILL= EVOLUTION = NOT CREATIONALISM= ATHEIST OR AGNOSTIC SINCE RELIGION DESCRIBES CREATIONALISM AND AGNOSTICISM CAN MEAN A GOD THAT CREATED EVOLOTION

Something that never made sense for me are NDE's. For example if X religion is true, then why did the member of Y religion see something in his NDE that was extremely beautiful and not connected to the religion of person X? How then can the person X have the nerve to claim that his religion is correct when the Y persons NDE showed something different.

For example why do atheists who get NDE see something profoundly beautiful and not connected at all to some abrahamic religion? Why would God allow that? How can that be explained? A possible thing a abrahamic person would say is "well NDE is just hallucination or trick of Satan". Major holes here tho, first that hallucination is 1000 times more convincing to the atheist then all the "miracles" from religious books. Secondly claiming hallucination as a religious person is extremely hypocritical because religions believe in all sort of things. Thridly if the NDE was a Satan trick then are you saying that Satan is much more powerful then God in convincing a person into something?

 

[Baldingman1998]

so u dont beileve in god beacsue ur ugly

I literally believe in God

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Something that never made sense for me are NDE's. For example if X religion is true, then why did the member of Y religion see something in his NDE that was extremely beautiful and not connected to the religion of person X? How then can the person X have the nerve to claim that his religion is correct when the Y persons NDE showed something different.

For example why do atheists who get NDE see something profoundly beautiful and not connected at all to some abrahamic religion? Why would God allow that? How can that be explained? A possible thing a abrahamic person would say is "well NDE is just hallucination or trick of Satan". Major holes here tho, first that hallucination is 1000 times more convincing to the atheist then all the "miracles" from religious books. Secondly claiming hallucination as a religious person is extremely hypocritical because religions believe in all sort of things. Thridly if the NDE was a Satan trick then are you saying that Satan is much more powerful then God in convincing a person into something?

What is NDE?

 

[Baldingman1998]

If we take evolution as true that doesn't contradict religion in any way
Maybe that's what you're trying to say in the last part idk legit can't tell maybe it's hard to form a sentence after cooming 20 times

If Allah told you to take the vaccine will you leave Islam?

 

[TsarTsar444]

I literally believe in God

Same i believe in a Creator too

 

[TsarTsar444]

What is NDE?

Near death experience

 

[Deleted member 6695]

Yes exactly you burn for just not believing in God, it would only make sense if there was a very obvious miracle presented to all humans to see, amd if they still reject then i can see that logic being okay

You burn for rejecting God. Its a decision and choice you choose to burn man

 

[TsarTsar444]

You burn for rejecting God. Its a decision and choice you choose to burn man

Hope you are trolling

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Near death experience

This is something for which i have never studied and it looks like a extremely subjective issue in regards to the different experiences of every person. We would have to see the most common outcomes, the percentages, etc

You know, this reminds me to the people saying "I dreamed with this hindu deity" or with Jesus (alayhi a salat wa salam) or with the Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam)", we would have to see case by case, what is the majority outcome, what are the relations (Trust me you will almost never find someone from a aborigin background saying he dreamt with Jesus or the Prophet, but if you are an Indian and your entire life was sourrounded with that, you will probably then dream with a hindu deity).

The only famous coincidence i know about this is the famous "I saw my entire life pass through my eyes". I even have a family member who experienced this.

 

[lutte]

If Allah told you to take the vaccine will you leave Islam?

I’m not muslim wtf
Anyway accordinf to islam vaccine is haram bc it contains pork collagen @AbuSAF knew this and still took it so he is murtad now too

 

[TsarTsar444]

This is something for which i have never studied and it looks like a extremely subjective issue in regards to the different experiences of every person. We would have to see the most common outcomes, the percentages, etc

You know, this reminds me to the people saying "I dreamed with this hindu deity" or with Jesus (alayhi a salat wa salam) or with the Prophet (alayhi a salat wa salam)", we would have to see case by case, what is the majority outcome, what are the relations (Trust me you will almost never find someone from a aborigin background saying he dreamt with Jesus or the Prophet, but if you are an Indian and your entire life was sourrounded with that, you will probably then dream with a hindu deity).

The only famous coincidence i know about this is the famous "I saw my entire life pass through my eyes". I even have a family member who experienced this.

Well those NDE's are extremely realistic and profound beyond belief, so much that even the most bitter atheists questioned their lives after. The thing is that they are infinitely more of an evidence (for idk what, because they are all very similar actually, white tunnel, love, peace, losing ego) then any religion of earth now combined. But yet every person gets them, a muslim, christian, hindu, budhiat, athesit etc.
Thats why i believe that God exists but it clearly looks like he loves us all regardless of religion and after life and what happens after death is much more complex then religions say

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

I’m not muslim wtf
Anyway accordinf to islam vaccine is haram bc it contains pork collagen @AbuSAF knew this and still took it so he is murtad now too

Under imperative necessity it would become halal then.

 

[lutte]

Under imperative necessity it would become halal then.

I see but there is no imperative necessity

 

[ThatDjangoWalk]

Well those NDE's are extremely realistic and profound beyond belief, so much that even the most bitter atheists questioned their lives after. The thing is that they are infinitely more of an evidence (for idk what, because they are all very similar actually, white tunnel, love, peace, losing ego) then any religion of earth now combined. But yet every person gets them, a muslim, christian, hindu, budhiat, athesit etc.

I would need to research a lot more Insha Allah.

Thats why i believe that God exists but it clearly looks like he loves us all regardless of religion

and after life and what happens after death is much more complex then religions say

We believe in Islam that paradise and hell as explained are just approximations, but that the true nature of it we cannot understand it even if they look like they are described on precise words and terms.

But in regards to your argument, the premise is that those NDE experiences (which i would again need to make a research to see if those similarities exist) are somehow a taste of what is after death. Again, i need to make a research, learn about them (which i will Insha Allah because i'm now curious), see the numbers, etc

 

[TsarTsar444]

I would need to research a lot more Insha Allah.


We believe in Islam that paradise and hell as explained are just approximations, but that the true nature of it we cannot understand it even if they look like they are described on precise words and terms.

But in regards to your argument, the premise is that those NDE experiences (which i would again need to make a research to see if those similarities exist) are somehow a taste of what is after death. Again, i need to make a research, learn about them (which i will Insha Allah because i'm now curious), see the numbers, etc

Nde's are regarded as being hallucinations by science, at least the majority, some neuroscientist fight this claim but they are a minority. The hallucinating thing hasn't been proved btw, they just say it cause for dumb gnostic atheists there is 0% its metaphysical, so they "know" its an hallucination.

But regardless the big majority have similar themes across cultures, and in the big majority it isn't connected with the way we see religions and such, its a more pure love

 

[Baldingman1998]

Nde's are regarded as being hallucinations by science, at least the majority, some neuroscientist fight this claim but they are a minority. The hallucinating thing hasn't been proved btw, they just say it cause for dumb gnostic atheists there is 0% its metaphysical, so they "know" its an hallucination.

But regardless the big majority have similar themes across cultures, and in the big majority it isn't connected with the way we see religions and such, its a more pure love

I believe in "God" or something called the "collective consciousness" I don't know if they are the same thing or if God made that. Or even if all humans have it. But basically some people (my fam) are kinda connected telepathically somehow. It's a very weak link. But once I had an experience that made me believe in it 100%.

 

[TsarTsar444]

I believe in "God" or something called the "collective consciousness" I don't know if they are the same thing or if God made that. Or even if all humans have it. But basically some people (my fam) are kinda connected telepathically somehow. It's a very weak link. But once I had an experience that made me believe in it 100%.

Maybe, our brains are just conductors of consciousness and not the producer, so yes this is why i believe in God

 

[BearBoy]

In islam its finite. It's said that Satan will be the last one to leave hell and come to heaven after repenting

Satan???

dont have satan have jinns, iblis

 

[Baldingman1998]

Maybe, our brains are just conductors of consciousness and not the producer, so yes this is why i believe in God

I have a kinda cool theory but it could be wrong
Basically 2 theories

1. We are our Bodies and everything we experience and our conscious is all purely physical (hormones genetics experiences brain chemestry etc etc)

2. Or that basically there are many planets and races of aliens in the universe and we get born into Bodies that match our consciousness. Humans are the link between actually smart animals and primative animals. We are basically between the 2.

Try shrooms while reading all this it will make sense

 

[damnit]

good thing it's all fiction heh .

 

[Baldingman1998]

@CrackHeadBobby why you laughing this makes more sense than 72 virgins that you fuck each for 80 years and there is a river of honey and a river of yogurt

Seems like candy land

 

[Deleted member 13462]

Or even if all humans have it. But basically some people (my fam) are kinda connected telepathically somehow. It's a very weak link. But once I had an experience that made me believe in it 100%.

disbeilvers will say anythink bro ur delued the Jinn have u got to u before anyone else can

bro ur outer this world ur not only lost but ur wrong

not gonna lie thats a good way to cope for u i dont need to but what ever makes u happy bro

 

[AbuSAF]

I’m not muslim wtf
Anyway accordinf to islam vaccine is haram bc it contains pork collagen @AbuSAF knew this and still took it so he is murtad now too

@Baldingman1998 repent ya kelb, there is no pig inside vaccine, greater good is neccessaery

 

[Eezz]

In islam its finite. It's said that Satan will be the last one to leave hell and come to heaven after repenting

Where did you read this ?

 

[Nautica]

Because religions are used for fear, control, division, the harvesting of loosh energy, and keeping the reincarnation soul trap going.

Gnosticism is the truth and that's why they were wiped out and their books from the bible were removed. Buddhism is very close to the truth as well, however they believe reincarnation is a good thing and that your suppose to "learn lessons" here on earth until you finally ascend to nirvana

However the truth is that the DEATH doesn't exist. When your human body dies you pass onto the astral realm. Archons disguised as religious "GODS" and dead family members approach you and guide you towards the light where you enter the reincarnation process and your memory is erased. Throughout this process your shown a life review and you pick the next "lesson" you want to learn in your next life experience. Stupid souls get conned into accepting lives of slavery, torture and suffering to learn "lessons".

The whole point is for the archons to harvest our loosh energy because that's what they feed off of, the same reason why we eat plants and animals. Earth is a prison planet.

Check out the Roswell alien interview.

Hell doesn't exist unless you manifest it yourself in the afterlife. Most people end up being pulled into the light after death, some enter the demiurges astral plane thats basically earth, some enter the void of darkness. Idk what leads to where you go, but if you want to escape reincarnation you gotta find a way to avoid the light if that's where you end up.

 

[Nautica]

By ur logic why would god create evil just to stop it evil is for a purpose like i mentioend above and the other muslim guy said

how can u say why hasnt god stoped evil when he created it ur not making any sense

All souls were one than split apart to experience the universe of different perspectives. Evildosent exist. "GOD" didn't AKA " every living creature with a soul" created the universe out of boredom. It's all a game.

 

[MrGlutton]

i dont understand how people would hate on a being that literally loves you

 

[Deleted member 13462]

All souls were one than split apart to experience the universe of different perspectives. Evildosent exist. "GOD" didn't AKA " every living creature with a soul" created the universe out of boredom. It's all a game.

Okay sure man. The same people that say the idea of god is far fetch are the same people who say stuff like this.
So ur saying that some people chosse the life to live as animails and this beileve system is based on what? what proof does buddism have? do they have a book or is all there proff subjective exp.

If this is all true why wouldnt god try to make a connection before buddhism was created beacuse all buddist dont beileve in juses to be real and other messangers.