help me w the surgery plan (scans included)

[blinemaxxer]

hey guys, posted here quite some time ago. here i am again.

on 2024 jun, I had a consultation w Erol Cansiz in Turkey. he quoted around 6k usd (fuck me for not getting that, he was not well known back then and was cheap. now forums are filled with his patients and apparently quotes more than EU surg prices). but i was kind of unsure whether the plan was for me back then. he advised 5-5 total 10 mm bimaxillary advancement, supposedly *higher* cut w/o rotation, linear adv. i have the hard and soft tissue b/a's, however, not sure if they are worth posting.

my major failos as you can see from the pics are midface/paranasal deficiency (look how much setback my nasal base is), negative orbital vector (but i suppose a qlf1/2, hlf1, USO would fix this without further procedures), nasolabial folds, malar fullness due to lack of skeletal tissue, flat face etc.

I'm aware it all comes down to *facial depth* at the end of the day, but it's not realistic for me to assume I'll be getting full cranio implants. I own up to my deformities and trying to draw a realistic plan, and of course, I fucking hate how deformed I am.

i've contacted alfaro for his *famous* U shaped osteotomy (i think you can find the paper on org, someone posted it before) (USO), as I do not have bite issues and thought I could get away with fixing paranasal def. only. the rest is just deep plane necklift and a thinning rhinoplasty. ( i will be getting these nevertheless). he said he could plan a video conference and quoted i dont remember how much amount of money. i could not get back to him, due to personal reasons and my schedule. honestly the paper is from 2006 (afair), and idek if he does this procedure anymore.

i've talked about my case with some of you guys here, and much appreciate the help. but wanted to make an *update* post and see what you guys think, whether im a candidate for HLF1/QLF1/QLF2/USO and if so do you know any surgeons, what are the prices nowadays etc. thanks.

 

[yussimania]

@AustrianMogger USO mentioned

 

[blinemaxxer]

@AustrianMogger USO mentioned

I dream of getting USO every night, believe me.

 

[AustrianMogger]

@AustrianMogger USO mentioned

USO is the best and most UNDERRATED surgery.
It mogs lefort 1 to gandy heaven

 

[AustrianMogger]

The paper is from 2006. Any jaw surgeon you show it should be able to replicate it.
On the jaw surgery forum some nigger asked a local surgeon to do it and he agreed but than he pussied out cause he was a cuck.

 

[blinemaxxer]

The paper is from 2006. Any jaw surgeon you show it should be able to replicate it.
On the jaw surgery forum some nigger asked a local surgeon to do it and he agreed but than he pussied out cause he was a cuck.

Wow didnt know this, thanks. It is less invasive than lefort 1 actually. Recovery is much better too. I think I should discuss USO with someone qualified.

 

[AustrianMogger]

Wow didnt know this, thanks. It is less invasive than lefort 1 actually. Recovery is much better too. I think I should discuss USO with someone qualified.

USO is better cause its like a high cut lefort 1 but only moves the important part (paransal implants)

 

[blinemaxxer]

USO is better cause its like a high cut lefort 1 but only moves the important part (paransal implants)

Seems like the case. I wonder if it provides and under eye support though. I could'nt find any results from the front profile. In theory it should however. Do you think USO itself would be sufficient for my case, or do I need djs instead?

 

[Lord_Flatface]

Did you manage to find more results than just the two the Alfaro showed in his PDF? I did not find any more results.

I'd like to also find a diagram of how the cut exactly works but info is really sparse online

Also the available results also looked kind of underwhelming, but IMO the patients didn't have paranasal hollowing, just actual recession. So I wonder if the results would be better on ppl with actual paranasal hollowing

 

[blinemaxxer]

Did you manage to find more results than just the two the Alfaro showed in his PDF? I did not find any more results.

I'd like to also find a diagram of how the cut exactly works but info is really sparse online

Also the available results also looked kind of underwhelming, but IMO the patients didn't have paranasal hollowing, just actual recession. So I wonder if the results would be better on ppl with actual paranasal hollowing

i think i will set up on online cons w him soon, they got back to my mail, unfortunately without any further information regarding USO though, they want me to pay first lol.

i think for the second case in the paper, makes it clear that uso works for paranasal recession, nasal tip and smooth contoruing are obvious outcomes. lf1 wouldnt address those, so either djs to fix recession or uso to project paranasal. (but i agree w you, both patients probably consulted to him because they wanted to have a better volumized upper lip imo, and alfaro experimented on them lol)

and i wish we could see the results from front too

 

[Lord_Flatface]

Post what he says in his consult. I'm curious as well.

I don't think it'd help with undereyes tho. You'd prob need infras.

Also no surgeon except for Alfaro advertises it, but as mentioned in this thread apparently a bunch are willing to do it.

Giant said in another thread the surgeons he partners with do it.

Personally, I'm planning to eventually get it with Ercin as I need a whole bunch of other surgeries along with it (supra implants and genio)

I'm debating on midface implants (that don't touch the cheekbones) vs USO, bc there's this one result by Eppley that IMO mogs the USO ones:

Plastic Surgery Case Study - Extended Custom Midface Implant for a Lefort III Type Augmentation - Explore Plastic Surgery

An extended custom midface implant that is placed intraorally aided by upper eyelid incisions creastes a Lefort III type projection effect.

exploreplasticsurgery.com

I'm just not sure if the after is frauded tho

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Wow didnt know this, thanks. It is less invasive than lefort 1 actually. Recovery is much better too. I think I should discuss USO with someone qualified.

See if Eppley will do it, cuz that mfr will do anything. If he will then find someone you like that will do it.

If Eppley wont, wow the surgery totally fucked.

 

[blinemaxxer]

Ercin

are you based in Turkey?

personally I would not go with implants, that's just me though, dont ask why im just autistic. I want to get either QLF1 or USO. not sure, what would you suggest for my case? I have a "fuller" side view of my face on another thread on my profile. I feel like if I get any form of djs, I will be dogmaxxed as my whole face is recessed (no supras, lack of overall depth), and I can't afford a full facial implants so..

and do you know anyone who performs QLF1?

 

[blinemaxxer]

See if Eppley will do it, cuz that mfr will do anything. If he will then find someone you like that will do it.

If Eppley wont, wow the surgery totally fucked.

even if I made the surgical planning flawleslly? I think it's not like lf2 or something near risky as those, a regular surgeon should be able to perform it. kinda stresses me the fuck out honestly, but I have to find someone willing to cut my face first

 

[Lord_Flatface]

are you based in Turkey?

personally I would not go with implants, that's just me though, dont ask why im just autistic. I want to get either QLF1 or USO. not sure, what would you suggest for my case? I have a "fuller" side view of my face on another thread on my profile. I feel like if I get any form of djs, I will be dogmaxxed as my whole face is recessed (no supras, lack of overall depth), and I can't afford a full facial implants so..

and do you know anyone who performs QLF1?

I'm not based in Turkey. It's just that I can get similar quality for a lower price there, in addition to Giant working with him + Ercin doing all the surgeries I want.

I don't see how you can justify a QLF1 without recession.

From the current pic you posted here I don't see much recession but I see some paranasal hollowing. Do you think it's possible you have poor "posterior facial depth"? As in, your skull is horizontally short.

In that case there is nothing that can really help.

I have the same issues as an Asian btw. IMO your case is a lot better than mine.

I think bad facial depth is just a flaw you have to cope with. I don't think you'll lose much attractiveness because of it.

Curious, how much is your budget for surgery? If you get the implants with the other procedures they're far cheaper (if you're still considering them)

 

[blinemaxxer]

I'm not based in Turkey. It's just that I can get similar quality for a lower price there, in addition to Giant working with him + Ercin doing all the surgeries I want.

I don't see how you can justify a QLF1 without recession.

From the current pic you posted here I don't see much recession but I see some paranasal hollowing. Do you think it's possible you have poor "posterior facial depth"? As in, your skull is horizontally short.

In that case there is nothing that can really help.

I have the same issues as an Asian btw. IMO your case is a lot better than mine.

I think bad facial depth is just a flaw you have to cope with. I don't think you'll lose much attractiveness because of it.

Curious, how much is your budget for surgery? If you get the implants with the other procedures they're far cheaper (if you're still considering them)

I am recessed. It's just that the paranasal hollowing is even worse. A standard cut lf1 would dogmax me without implants, I literally need a new skull. That's why I mentioned QLF1. But yeah, I think I could get away with USO + some softmaxes. I'm trying to keep the budget in 4 digits, would be more than enough for USO imo, seeing the LF1 prices here and there.

Irrelevant, but may I ask how is your hair density/quality?

 

[littlefingers]

hey guys, posted here quite some time ago. here i am again.

on 2024 jun, I had a consultation w Erol Cansiz in Turkey. he quoted around 6k usd (fuck me for not getting that, he was not well known back then and was cheap. now forums are filled with his patients and apparently quotes more than EU surg prices). but i was kind of unsure whether the plan was for me back then. he advised 5-5 total 10 mm bimaxillary advancement, supposedly *higher* cut w/o rotation, linear adv. i have the hard and soft tissue b/a's, however, not sure if they are worth posting.

my major failos as you can see from the pics are midface/paranasal deficiency (look how much setback my nasal base is), negative orbital vector (but i suppose a qlf1/2, hlf1, USO would fix this without further procedures), nasolabial folds, malar fullness due to lack of skeletal tissue, flat face etc.

I'm aware it all comes down to *facial depth* at the end of the day, but it's not realistic for me to assume I'll be getting full cranio implants. I own up to my deformities and trying to draw a realistic plan, and of course, I fucking hate how deformed I am.

i've contacted alfaro for his *famous* U shaped osteotomy (i think you can find the paper on org, someone posted it before) (USO), as I do not have bite issues and thought I could get away with fixing paranasal def. only. the rest is just deep plane necklift and a thinning rhinoplasty. ( i will be getting these nevertheless). he said he could plan a video conference and quoted i dont remember how much amount of money. i could not get back to him, due to personal reasons and my schedule. honestly the paper is from 2006 (afair), and idek if he does this procedure anymore.

i've talked about my case with some of you guys here, and much appreciate the help. but wanted to make an *update* post and see what you guys think, whether im a candidate for HLF1/QLF1/QLF2/USO and if so do you know any surgeons, what are the prices nowadays etc. thanks.

for your CT scan did they explain to you what kind of splicing the CT scan was and did they give you the results of CD? flashdrive? or email?

 

[pinterest]

i know nothing about the intrecusies of surgery but im sorry you decided to post this now in the state of the forum

 

[Lord_Flatface]

I am recessed. It's just that the paranasal hollowing is even worse. A standard cut lf1 would dogmax me without implants, I literally need a new skull. That's why I mentioned QLF1. But yeah, I think I could get away with USO + some softmaxes. I'm trying to keep the budget in 4 digits, would be more than enough for USO imo, seeing the LF1 prices here and there.

Irrelevant, but may I ask how is your hair density/quality?

Oh by "recessed" you mean your entire skull is too horizontally short, not lower third recession. That makes sense

How are your other features though? IMO it may make more sense to focus on those bc I see other things that could be improved in those pics (need a fuller image tho)

My hair density is on the poorer side. I'm not balding and I'm taking fin. I've always had poor density. But it's not brutal.

I'm not sure if it's bias on my part but I see a lot of Asians with poor hair density, and when we do start balding it's typically diffuse thinning.

 

[blinemaxxer]

i know nothing about the intrecusies of surgery but im sorry you decided to post this now in the state of the forum

yeah, it's full of shitpost now. I just want to discuss my surgical plan then leave here honestly

 

[blinemaxxer]

Oh by "recessed" you mean your entire skull is too horizontally short, not lower third recession. That makes sense

How are your other features though? IMO it may make more sense to focus on those bc I see other things that could be improved in those pics (need a fuller image tho)

My hair density is on the poorer side. I'm not balding and I'm taking fin. I've always had poor density. But it's not brutal.

I'm not sure if it's bias on my part but I see a lot of Asians with poor hair density, and when we do start balding it's typically diffuse thinning.

I have some prettyboy features and that's it. I get compliments time to time, and girls like me for some weird reason, I'm not sure why. I will definitely get either USO or QLF1, I need projection. soft tissue on my face is just saggy, it needs support.

yeah, I'm a diffuse thinner as well. basically a nw0 with shitty density. taking dut, but shit's aggressive and never stops. I'm thinking of RU but it's an expensive treatment honestly. I have some plans if things go south though.

 

[Lord_Flatface]

yeah, it's full of shitpost now. I just want to discuss my surgical plan then leave here honestly

I sometimes wish this site was more like the jaw surgery forums. Basically only surgery discussion, maybe some gear and softmaxxing discussion, and that's it.

The existence of off-topic is fine, but it's the fact that surgery threads get derailed at times that's the issue.

 

[Lord_Flatface]

I have some prettyboy features and that's it. I get compliments time to time, and girls like me for some weird reason, I'm not sure why. I will definitely get either USO or QLF1, I need projection. soft tissue on my face is just saggy, it needs support.

yeah, I'm a diffuse thinner as well. basically a nw0 with shitty density. taking dut, but shit's aggressive and never stops. I'm thinking of RU but it's an expensive treatment honestly. I have some plans if things go south though.

Did you have poor hair density when younger, or did it start more recently? Honestly I think I've always had poor density even since early high school and it never worsened. I got scared, got on fin, and around half a year I noticed I was shedding less hairs.

How long have you been on dut?

 

[blinemaxxer]

Did you have poor hair density when younger, or did it start more recently? Honestly I think I've always had poor density even since early high school and it never worsened. I got scared, got on fin, and around half a year I noticed I was shedding less hairs.

How long have you been on dut?

i had early thinning around 16, though it was unnoticeable until 20. I used fin for 1.5 years which did nothing. Switched to 2.5mg dut, been on it for 8 months, then had to taper it down to 0.5mg for personal reasons, plus it may be basically the same efficacy as 2.5mg's. seems like I've got questionable stabilization, but I feel like the density is going down honestly. I will add some experimental stuff, maybe RU if I make some money. oral min is the last resort.

I sometimes wish this site was more like the jaw surgery forums. Basically only surgery discussion, maybe some gear and softmaxxing discussion, and that's it.

The existence of off-topic is fine, but it's the fact that surgery threads get derailed at times that's the issue.

yeah, totally agree.