Help with Looksmaxxing Cycle (Muscle / Bones / Height gains)

[ChoppedUser60532]

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

 

[Rapelord]

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

what gains do you expect from this cycle

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

what gains do you expect from this cycle

Height gains & Bonemass are my real goals. I think worst case it just does nothing for those and i'll gain alot of muscle + a waste of money, best case i grow to around 6 foot maybe and then may reach 6'1 off my natural gh production after the cycle is over + Bonemass in my face especially mandible, maybe jaw, and zygos.

 

[7evenvox22]

bro solid plan structure-wise, you clearly did your homework, but a few things you should def tweak before running that long. first off, running hgh for 52 weeks straight with dose jumps that fast (2 to 6iu by week 5) is asking for insulin resistance and water retention. you wanna ramp slower, stay at 2iu for a full month, then 3-4iu for another 6-8 weeks before even thinking about 6iu. hgh’s a long game, not something you need to blast. also add metformin (500-1000mg ed) or berberine to keep insulin sensitivity in check, and maybe low-dose t4 (25-50mcg ed) since hgh suppresses thyroid function over time. for the test, 250mg is fine for a first run but hopping to 400mg right after your first PCT isn’t ideal. your HPTA will barely recover in 8 weeks, so blasting again that soon = you’re basically going on TRT. if that’s your goal long term, fine, but don’t expect natural test to bounce back fully after 2 back-to-back runs like that. AI protocol’s also heavy aromasin eod at 12.5mg is gonna crash your e2 hard, especially on 250-400mg test. start with 12.5mg 1-2x/week only if bloodwork or symptoms say you need it. overusing AIs kills your hair, skin, and mood faster than high estrogen ever would. HCG timing looks good, but you might as well run 250iu 2-3x/week during the cycle to keep testicular function alive instead of waiting till the end, way smoother transition into pct. so yeah, clean up the dosing, stretch recovery periods, manage insulin/thyroid sides, and don’t go nuclear with the AI. that’ll keep your long-term fertility and natural production way safer while still getting gains.

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

bro solid plan structure-wise, you clearly did your homework, but a few things you should def tweak before running that long. first off, running hgh for 52 weeks straight with dose jumps that fast (2 to 6iu by week 5) is asking for insulin resistance and water retention. you wanna ramp slower, stay at 2iu for a full month, then 3-4iu for another 6-8 weeks before even thinking about 6iu. hgh’s a long game, not something you need to blast. also add metformin (500-1000mg ed) or berberine to keep insulin sensitivity in check, and maybe low-dose t4 (25-50mcg ed) since hgh suppresses thyroid function over time. for the test, 250mg is fine for a first run but hopping to 400mg right after your first PCT isn’t ideal. your HPTA will barely recover in 8 weeks, so blasting again that soon = you’re basically going on TRT. if that’s your goal long term, fine, but don’t expect natural test to bounce back fully after 2 back-to-back runs like that. AI protocol’s also heavy aromasin eod at 12.5mg is gonna crash your e2 hard, especially on 250-400mg test. start with 12.5mg 1-2x/week only if bloodwork or symptoms say you need it. overusing AIs kills your hair, skin, and mood faster than high estrogen ever would. HCG timing looks good, but you might as well run 250iu 2-3x/week during the cycle to keep testicular function alive instead of waiting till the end, way smoother transition into pct. so yeah, clean up the dosing, stretch recovery periods, manage insulin/thyroid sides, and don’t go nuclear with the AI. that’ll keep your long-term fertility and natural production way safer while still getting gains.

So what'd you recommend i change the 2nd cycles Test to rather than 400? Also i think im relatively high estrogen overall, recently i haven't had much of the symptoms but for a long time in my early teens i had oily skin and wasnt defined at all even compared to others my age.

 

[7evenvox22]

So what'd you recommend i change the 2nd cycles Test to rather than 400? Also i think im relatively high estrogen overall, recently i haven't had much of the symptoms but for a long time in my early teens i had oily skin and wasnt defined at all even compared to others my age.

yeah that actually makes sense bro, good catch on the recovery window. if i’m being real, i’d keep the 2nd test run at 250-300mg max there’s no real benefit going 400mg that early, you’ll just nuke your HPTA harder and aromatize more. you’ll still grow fine if your training, diet, and GH are on point. higher test doesn’t always = better results once you’re already supra-physiological.

as for the estrogen thing, oily skin and soft look as a teen doesn’t necessarily mean you’re “high e2” genetically, that’s just normal puberty test/estrogen fluctuation. don’t assume you’re estrogen dominant just off that. get labs mid-cycle before adjusting AIs. a lot of guys feel way worse from crashing E than from slightly elevated levels: dry skin, flat look, joint pain, even mood swings.

so yeah, i’d:
keep test at 250-300mg second round
only touch aromasin if bloodwork says so
add metformin (500-1000mg/day) or berberine GH + test combo will spike insulin resistance if you don’t
and if you’re running GH that long, add 25-50mcg T4 daily to keep thyroid humming

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

yeah that actually makes sense bro, good catch on the recovery window. if i’m being real, i’d keep the 2nd test run at 250-300mg max there’s no real benefit going 400mg that early, you’ll just nuke your HPTA harder and aromatize more. you’ll still grow fine if your training, diet, and GH are on point. higher test doesn’t always = better results once you’re already supra-physiological.

as for the estrogen thing, oily skin and soft look as a teen doesn’t necessarily mean you’re “high e2” genetically, that’s just normal puberty test/estrogen fluctuation. don’t assume you’re estrogen dominant just off that. get labs mid-cycle before adjusting AIs. a lot of guys feel way worse from crashing E than from slightly elevated levels: dry skin, flat look, joint pain, even mood swings.

so yeah, i’d:
keep test at 250-300mg second round
only touch aromasin if bloodwork says so
add metformin (500-1000mg/day) or berberine GH + test combo will spike insulin resistance if you don’t
and if you’re running GH that long, add 25-50mcg T4 daily to keep thyroid humming

I think i still want to run a Aromasin since im pretty sure HGH will also quicken growth plate closure, as well as the estrogen from the test. But yeah 12.5 maybe is too much especially with the test being moderate. Maybe i'll just lower the dose of aromasin and keep the frequency the same or something? (i'll obviously revise all of this after bloodwork also)
Additionally, is Berberine just the supplement Berberine or is there like a stronger version?

 

[7evenvox22]

I think i still want to run a Aromasin since im pretty sure HGH will also quicken growth plate closure, as well as the estrogen from the test. But yeah 12.5 maybe is too much especially with the test being moderate. Maybe i'll just lower the dose of aromasin and keep the frequency the same or something? (i'll obviously revise all of this after bloodwork also)

yeah bro, makes sense wanting to be cautious with e2 since both test and GH can push it up, but you don’t wanna nuke it either. aromasin’s fine to keep on hand, just use it reactively, not proactively. 12.5mg eod is way too much on a moderate test dose; you’ll crash fast and feel like shit (dry joints, flat look, zero libido).

do this instead:
start 6.25mg 2x/week, that’s enough to keep levels steady without tanking E2.
if labs or symptoms show high E2 (bloat, nipple itch, mood swings), bump to 3x/week at most.
don’t mix AI dosing with GH timing GH doesn’t aromatize, but it can raise binding proteins that make your E2 feel higher, so judge off bloodwork, not feel alone.

and about growth plate closure, GH doesn’t actually close plates, it just accelerates growth and tissue turnover. the closure mechanism’s still estrogen-driven, so keeping E2 in a normal range (not crashed) is actually safer long-term.

tl;dr: keep aromasin in rotation but low and slow, manage it by bloods, not paranoia. GH + moderate test + balanced E2 = best combo for growth and recovery without frying your system.

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

yeah bro, makes sense wanting to be cautious with e2 since both test and GH can push it up, but you don’t wanna nuke it either. aromasin’s fine to keep on hand, just use it reactively, not proactively. 12.5mg eod is way too much on a moderate test dose; you’ll crash fast and feel like shit (dry joints, flat look, zero libido).

do this instead:
start 6.25mg 2x/week, that’s enough to keep levels steady without tanking E2.
if labs or symptoms show high E2 (bloat, nipple itch, mood swings), bump to 3x/week at most.
don’t mix AI dosing with GH timing GH doesn’t aromatize, but it can raise binding proteins that make your E2 feel higher, so judge off bloodwork, not feel alone.

and about growth plate closure, GH doesn’t actually close plates, it just accelerates growth and tissue turnover. the closure mechanism’s still estrogen-driven, so keeping E2 in a normal range (not crashed) is actually safer long-term.

tl;dr: keep aromasin in rotation but low and slow, manage it by bloods, not paranoia. GH + moderate test + balanced E2 = best combo for growth and recovery without frying your system.

Last thing, do you know where i can get real T4 in EU?

 

[7evenvox22]

Last thing, do you know where i can get real T4 in EU?

very sorry bro, not from the EU so can’t help much with sourcing. you’ll probably have to figure that one out locally, pharmacies there are stricter with thyroid meds unless you’ve got a script. wish i could help more, best of luck dude.

 

[Plushie]

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

Damn mirin the effort

Do you really think all these compounds will increase your bonemass btw? And also how tf can you afford hgh at 16, I've been looking into that shit and it's expensive as hell

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

Damn mirin the effort

Do you really think all these compounds will increase your bonemass btw? And also how tf can you afford hgh at 16, I've been looking into that shit and it's expensive as hell

Preciate it bro
I'm not 100% sure, but there's definitely solid research for testosterone improving bone structure as well as GH. Since i've taken precautions to avoid long-term side effects from test and hgh if it doesnt work it'll just end up being a waste of money.
And money wise i have savings of about 2,000 + im working on a construction site (free workout & vitamin d from sun) so i can keep up with the costs. Overall costs for all of this for a year is about $6000 - not using pharma grade HGH im getting it from an underground lab which is still quality and safe, costs around $170 for 100IU's. The full year round supply is around $3500

 

[shneekmax]

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

w bro highiq post good job acc researching and not tiktokmaxxing just up your test to 300 instead of 250 you will feel much better don't forget RU for hair and dutasteride and finasteride for DHT and don't forget to monitor insulin sensitivity on HGH w post tho mirin

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

w bro highiq post good job acc researching and not tiktokmaxxing just up your test to 300 instead of 250 you will feel much better don't forget RU for hair and dutasteride and finasteride for DHT and don't forget to monitor insulin sensitivity on HGH w post tho mirin

Preciate it bro, i dont get how people will run a stack without this much research tbh lol - Still fixing up the stack before i hop on likely early-mid november depends when i can get my bloodwork done

And also, as far as Dutasteride goes, to my knowledge at least, it increases conversion of test to estrogen and for such a minimal effect im not sure - My hair genetics aren't bad at all either so i should be good, it also increases long term risk factors which is my #1 thing to avoid. Preciate the recommendation though bro

 

[rotation]

this thread is full of garbage I dont even want to read it

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

this thread is full of garbage I dont even want to read it

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

Since the op i've basically just lowered the AI dose to 6.25, will be using CJC + Ipa once my HGH cycle is finished to restore natural GH levels as soon as possible, taking berberine daily (1000mg) to help with insulin resistance, T4 daily also to preserve the Thryoid's effects on growth, changed 2nd cycle of test to 300mg over 12 weeks. Most of these changes thanks to @7evenvox22
I'll keep this comment updated with any further changes.
I'll also make a follow up post whenever i get my bloodwork done.

 

[rotation]

Since the op i've basically just lowered the AI dose to 6.25, will be using CJC + Ipa once my HGH cycle is finished to restore natural GH levels as soon as possible, taking berberine daily (1000mg) to help with insulin resistance, T4 daily also to preserve the Thryoid's effects on growth, changed 2nd cycle of test to 300mg over 12 weeks. Most of these changes thanks to @7evenvox22
I'll keep this comment updated with any further changes.
I'll also make a follow up post whenever i get my bloodwork done.

hgh isnt a sex hormone, it very quickly returns to normal production

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

hgh isnt a sex hormone, it very quickly returns to normal production

Do you have any studies you can cite or studies on this?

 

[rotation]

Do you have any studies you can cite or studies on this?

Suppression and recovery of GH secretion after GH injection in non-GH deficient short children - PubMed

After 6 months of a thrice weekly GH treatment regimen in non-GH deficient short children, endogenous GH secretion was reduced from 24 to 36 h after injection compared to placebo and returned to control levels by 48 to 60 h after injection.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

shows that hgh comes back to 100% natural levels after about 48 hours

and its really not that hard just to look this shit up

now rep me because I had to search for that study

 

[shneekmax]

Preciate it bro, i dont get how people will run a stack without this much research tbh lol - Still fixing up the stack before i hop on likely early-mid november depends when i can get my bloodwork done

And also, as far as Dutasteride goes, to my knowledge at least, it increases conversion of test to estrogen and for such a minimal effect im not sure - My hair genetics aren't bad at all either so i should be good, it also increases long term risk factors which is my #1 thing to avoid. Preciate the recommendation though bro

damn bro you rlly did good research holy highiq w bro looking forward to more guides and shi u got potential

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

Suppression and recovery of GH secretion after GH injection in non-GH deficient short children - PubMed

After 6 months of a thrice weekly GH treatment regimen in non-GH deficient short children, endogenous GH secretion was reduced from 24 to 36 h after injection compared to placebo and returned to control levels by 48 to 60 h after injection.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

shows that hgh comes back to 100% natural levels after about 48 hours

and its really not that hard just to look this shit up

now rep me because I had to search for that study

Which is why you inject daily, to keep it up. I'm aware gh drops below natural levels after stopping to use HGH which is also why i will use cjc + ipa after i finish my cycle to boost my levels back up quicker

 

[rotation]

Which is why you inject daily, to keep it up. I'm aware gh drops below natural levels after stopping to use HGH which is also why i will use cjc + ipa after i finish my cycle to boost my levels back up quicker

nigga.. are you okay

I quoted a study showing that after you stop taking hgh, ur natural levels recover almost instantly meaning you dont need cjc + copemorelin

 

[renvorious]

From what i've gathered so far in my research, i'll cycle as follows
HGH: 2 iu's 1-4 week, 6 iu's 5-20 week, 4 iu's 21-24 week, 6 iu's 25-52 week (as seen in a popular HGH guide in the forums i'll @ the user)
Test E: 250MG a week, 16 weeks on, 4 weeks PCT Nolvadex + Clomid, then 8 weeks after PCT hop back on with 400MG for 11 weeks, then same PCT and stay off for life.
Aromasin: 12.5mg Aromasin 2x a week on the first cycle & every other day on the 2nd cycle - Also may use when seeing high estrogen symptoms when off test during hgh
HCG: 500 IU's every other day during the 2 weeks between end of cycle & PCT - stopping 3 days before the PCT.
Nolvadex: 20 mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 10mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)
Clomid: 50mg/day (weeks 1-2 of pct) / 25mg/day (weeks 3-4 of pct)

I will get baseline bloodwork & monthly or bi-monthly bloodwork done while cycling.

I want to basically try this cycle for a year then hop off with minimal long-term sideffects related to fertility, natural test, estrogen and growth hormone (currently 16 y/o & 6 months, 179cm, 66 kg. Inconsistent in gym recently but getting back in)

HGH cycle credits: @Zagro

wish this was accessible for me as a 16 year old in denmark

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

nigga.. are you okay

I quoted a study showing that after you stop taking hgh, ur natural levels recover almost instantly meaning you dont need cjc + copemorelin

Yeah but even so, im going to run HGH for 52 weeks, not a single injection. And doing so, daily, will not allow it to return to its natural peak "on the second day" as the study states, since you reinject before that even comes up. Inject before sleep and that peak after 4 hours is optimal. 52 Weeks vs an isolated injections are not the same at all - the cjc & ipa are essentially a jumpstart for the natural gh to quickly get back to natural levels, i woudnt plan on cycling it consistently.

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

wish this was accessible for me as a 16 year old in denmark

Probably is bro, i'm mainland eu also. Anything steroid related you can get pretty easy online, and hgh you can get from underground labs you can reference the popular post by Zagro who i @ in the op

 

[rotation]

Yeah but even so, im going to run HGH for 52 weeks, not a single injection. And doing so, daily, will not allow it to return to its natural peak "on the second day" as the study states, since you reinject before that even comes up. Inject before sleep and that peak after 4 hours is optimal. 52 Weeks vs an isolated injections are not the same at all - the cjc & ipa are essentially a jumpstart for the natural gh to quickly get back to natural levels, i woudnt plan on cycling it consistently.

i cant deal with this genuinely what the fuck

i cant believe the levels of retardation going on here

the study is after 6 months of hgh treatment, and the same applies to a year or more

do you not have access to google or some shit bro?

please, please rep me for having to go through this traumatic thread

 

[rotation]

Yeah but even so, im going to run HGH for 52 weeks, not a single injection. And doing so, daily, will not allow it to return to its natural peak "on the second day" as the study states, since you reinject before that even comes up. Inject before sleep and that peak after 4 hours is optimal. 52 Weeks vs an isolated injections are not the same at all - the cjc & ipa are essentially a jumpstart for the natural gh to quickly get back to natural levels, i woudnt plan on cycling it consistently.

+ even if it did supress for more than a few days, what would the point be?

if im generous and say it suppressed for 2 weeks (in theory)

what do you think would happen to you?

are the growth hormone demons going to rape you?

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

+ even if it did supress for more than a few days, what would the point be?

if im generous and say it suppressed for 2 weeks (in theory)

what do you think would happen to you?

are the growth hormone demons going to rape you?

Lmao i can agree the cjc + ipa after cycling off may be unnecesary to some extent but hey why not do it? Its just like 30 bucks to get my hormones right as fast as possible. Once it's done, i can worry about other drugs to enhance my looks instead of height or bones

Also sure i'll rep you

 

[rotation]

Lmao i can agree the cjc + ipa after cycling off may be unnecesary to some extent but hey why not do it? Its just like 30 bucks to get my hormones right as fast as possible. Once it's done, i can worry about other drugs to enhance my looks instead of height or bones

Also sure i'll rep you

thank you

and yes its unnecessary, but do what you like

 

[Plushie]

Preciate it bro
I'm not 100% sure, but there's definitely solid research for testosterone improving bone structure as well as GH. Since i've taken precautions to avoid long-term side effects from test and hgh if it doesnt work it'll just end up being a waste of money.
And money wise i have savings of about 2,000 + im working on a construction site (free workout & vitamin d from sun) so i can keep up with the costs. Overall costs for all of this for a year is about $6000 - not using pharma grade HGH im getting it from an underground lab which is still quality and safe, costs around $170 for 100IU's. The full year round supply is around $3500

From my small amount of experience I would add melanotan 2 to the stack if you are kinda pale/want absolute chad skin, since it's pretty cheap and has pretty much no side effects. It blunts hunger and increases sex drive too so it's great overall There's a great thread on it on botb if you want to check it out

 

[ChoppedUser60532]

From my small amount of experience I would add melanotan 2 to the stack if you are kinda pale/want absolute chad skin, since it's pretty cheap and has pretty much no side effects. It blunts hunger and increases sex drive too so it's great overall There's a great thread on it on botb if you want to check it out

Personally i'm focusing bones right now but that's in the considerations for after i hop off this current stack (this stack is too expensive for me to keep up for more than a year so im basically just trying to maximise my last year of real growth 16-17).

 

[7evenvox22]

Since the op i've basically just lowered the AI dose to 6.25, will be using CJC + Ipa once my HGH cycle is finished to restore natural GH levels as soon as possible, taking berberine daily (1000mg) to help with insulin resistance, T4 daily also to preserve the Thryoid's effects on growth, changed 2nd cycle of test to 300mg over 12 weeks. Most of these changes thanks to @7evenvox22
I'll keep this comment updated with any further changes.
I'll also make a follow up post whenever i get my bloodwork done.

wtf just happened i leave for a couple hours and come back to this lmao @ChoppedUser60532 mark @rotation reply as solution, mirin the effort dude