Help with surgery design (round 2)

[midfacedeficient]

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one falio is your teeth, improving your teeth will make a much bigger difference than you would expect, by a noticable amount

I cant really make em bigger like that some orthodontics would help tho. I want a palate expander (with braces obv) since i only have the 6 tooth smile. but now that ive got plates on the maxilla so idk whats feasible. i could do some whitening i guess

 

[Gilly998]

I cant really make em bigger like that some orthodontics would help tho. I want a palate expander (with braces obv) since i only have the 6 tooth smile. but now that ive got plates on the maxilla so idk whats feasible. i could do some whitening i guess

you can with veneers (absolutely never do the type where they shave your teeth to a nub though they are the retarded version and destroy your teeth, theres much less invasive versions of veneers where its put onto your original teeth)

I wouldnt worry about palate expansion, having your smile filled out would look good but is low ROI, straight white teeth will be enough for a big improvement and veneers especially

I have the same palate size as you but with perfect white straight teeth it makes a extremely big difference, I get compliments from women and men on it often, your perceived hygiene and health indicators and youth indicators shoot up with a set of perfectly straight and sized white teeth, very good ROI and not insignificant at all definitely a underrated central feature, your smile contributes heaps when it comes to greeting someone for the first time, women, business, sales, perceived trustworthyness, health indicators, youth indicators and perceived hygeine

 

[Jgns]

you can with veneers (absolutely never do the type where they shave your teeth to a nub though they are the retarded version and destroy your teeth, theres much less invasive versions of veneers where its put onto your original teeth)


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I wouldnt worry about palate expansion, having your smile filled out would look good but is low ROI, straight white teeth will be enough for a big improvement and veneers especially

I have the same palate size as you but with perfect white straight teeth it makes a extremely big difference, I get compliments from women and men on it often, your perceived hygiene and health indicators and youth indicators shoot up with a set of perfectly straight and sized white teeth, very good ROI and not insignificant at all definitely a underrated central feature, your smile contributes heaps when it comes to greeting someone for the first time, women, business, sales, perceived trustworthyness, health indicators, youth indicators and perceived hygeine

How much from your research would high quality veneers for the lower and upper Set of teeth be

 

[tyler1234]

How much from your research would high quality veneers for the lower and upper Set of teeth be

Depends on who and where and what type emax or so on some people charge crazy amounts some are cheap not really a good question

 

[Jgns]

Depends on who and where and what type emax or so on some people charge crazy amounts some are cheap not really a good question

yeah mb I wasnt sure how to phrase it given how little knowledge i have on the field but lets say turkey(though idk how good they can get there) or smr like canada and im unsure about the typing but smt like the ones that fit ontop of teeth and yeah emax

 

[midfacedeficient]

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more examples:

Canthoplasty Before and After Gallery | Taban MD

tabanmd.com

as for a full chin wing, well there's plenty of examples but most of the cases are of adding height & width to the entire mandible rather than just adding height at the back and keeping the chin the same.

heres some full chin wing examples tho, unfortunately not real life b/a though

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potential complication: masseter dehiscence

The alternative being implants, and ofc you've already seen jaw implants, so just imagine something similar to a wrap around that keeps the front the same while adding ramus length.

Not sure if you got jaw implants already or if you just have plates but yeah.

I've found a surgeon that did what your morph did. my jaws not bad, so this isn't something i'm even considering right now, but it looks like the photo you posted isnt too far off from a real world example

this guys got a good bank of before and afters with a little summary of what operations were performed. not bad for finding references for corrections of various issues u may have

 

[tyler1234]

I've found a surgeon that did what your morph did. my jaws not bad, so this isn't something i'm even considering right now, but it looks like the photo you posted isnt too far off from a real world example

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this guys got a good bank of before and afters with a little summary of what operations were performed. not bad for finding references for corrections of various issues u may have

Apperanlty he’s not good for jaw implants only upper face like infra or cheek

 

[midfacedeficient]

Apperanlty he’s not good for jaw implants only upper face like infra or cheek

I was just looking for somewhere that sort of operation had been performed, wasnt going to have anything done with him

 

[nishka]

you can with veneers (absolutely never do the type where they shave your teeth to a nub though they are the retarded version and destroy your teeth, theres much less invasive versions of veneers where its put onto your original teeth)

yo i am thinking of getting braces / invisalign would you say these are better than that?

 

[JohanBigBalle]

I've found a surgeon that did what your morph did. my jaws not bad, so this isn't something i'm even considering right now, but it looks like the photo you posted isnt too far off from a real world example

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this guys got a good bank of before and afters with a little summary of what operations were performed. not bad for finding references for corrections of various issues u may have

from this after photo u dont need it and it would be bad.

It just looked good from the angle of the pic i used for the morph

 

[midfacedeficient]

hey everyone here has been helpful af; i need some help with microneedling just to see if i did it right so i made a thread here asking for help. figured id mention it so u guys here would see it and maybe respond as youve all been hella helpful to me so far (i really appreciate it, even u negative nancies)

https://looksmax.org/threads/help-with-microneedling.1934925/

 

[midfacedeficient]

Got my consult tonight at 4:30am. gunna show him these nose job side profiles and ask if he's capable of doing the radix grafting. gunna ask about a full maxilla augmentation like this image. and buccal fat.

(horrible photos, was laying in bed)

 

[midfacedeficient]

plans changed. need an unfortunate revision

https://looksmax.org/threads/emergency-revision-surgery-round-2.1957239/

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

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one falio is your teeth, improving your teeth will make a much bigger difference than you would expect, by a noticable amount

Tbh he'll need SARPE/MSDO too, he has narrow palates with buccal corridors

 

[midfacedeficient]

Tbh he'll need SARPE/MSDO too, he has narrow palates with buccal corridors

definitely. do you yhink its possible i could fake a wider palate with implants on the lower midface instead of actually expanding the palate? thatd allow me to get everything done faster. but i think my best results would be sarpe then implants

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

definitely. do you yhink its possible i could fake a wider palate with implants on the lower midface instead of actually expanding the palate? thatd allow me to get everything done faster. but i think my best results would be sarpe then implants

FME > SARPE

You always should fix the underlying bone to the point you’re willing to, then implants, then soft tissue.

It’s a long multi year process but the end results will look much better then anything else.

 

[tyler1234]

definitely. do you yhink its possible i could fake a wider palate with implants on the lower midface instead of actually expanding the palate? thatd allow me to get everything done faster. but i think my best results would be sarpe then implants

I think ur just have to do expansion in future when everything’s healed ideally shoulda done it before but is what it is I guess

 

[midfacedeficient]

FME > SARPE

You always should fix the underlying bone to the point you’re willing to, then implants, then soft tissue.

It’s a long multi year process but the end results will look much better then anything else.

Excellent call. I think i'll talk to an ortho about this when i get back (in istanbul for round 2 now) then see about implants once thats all done

 

[midfacedeficient]

I think ur just have to do expansion in future when everything’s healed ideally shoulda done it before but is what it is I guess

yeah definitely. im just impatient as shit once i get this nose job and hair transplant this weekend i should hopefully be htn so i can chill and do it the right way moving forward

 

[midfacedeficient]

heres where im at (9 weeks post op from round 1). mid face is still a lil flat.

 

[LEFORT17]

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heres where im at (9 weeks post op from round 1). mid face is still a lil flat.

jaw itsself mogs. rhino, lip lift,soft tissue correction and implant and ur there

 

[LEFORT17]

jaw itsself mogs. rhino, lip lift,soft tissue correction and implant and ur there

also very good hair, idk if ur on fin/dut and or minoxidil but keep it up

 

[midfacedeficient]

jaw itsself mogs. rhino, lip lift,soft tissue correction and implant and ur there

thanks yeah my soft tissues are damn annoying. gunna ask my boy tomorrow during my consult if anything can be done about that. I'm definitely on my come up though. i look good enough i can at least live a normal life now but I'm still gunna improve as much as i can

 

[Phillybeard1996]

thanks yeah my soft tissues are damn annoying. gunna ask my boy tomorrow during my consult if anything can be done about that. I'm definitely on my come up though. i look good enough i can at least live a normal life now but I'm still gunna improve as much as i can

Hey I got a question also loooking to get surgery

 

[midfacedeficient]

also very good hair, idk if ur on fin/dut and or minoxidil but keep it up

my hair is totally fraud. 1.25 fin and topical minox. but my corners are thin. I fraud the hell out of the hairline with root cover spray. it totally works but i having one of mehmet comert's friends touch it up next week while im here, another 2000 or so grafts

 

[LEFORT17]

my hair is totally fraud. 1.25 fin and topical minox. but my corners are thin. I fraud the hell out of the hairline with root cover spray. it totally works but i having one of mehmet comert's friends touch it up next week while im here, another 2000 or so grafts

whatever ur doing keep it that way

 

[Jgns]

my hair is totally fraud. 1.25 fin and topical minox. but my corners are thin. I fraud the hell out of the hairline with root cover spray. it totally works but i having one of mehmet comert's friends touch it up next week while im here, another 2000 or so grafts

Dude i used to do that it’s so draining the transplants gn feel so good.

 

[Realism]

Have you measured your palate? I would be interested to hear the measurements

 

[midfacedeficient]

Have you measured your palate? I would be interested to hear the measurements

nope. i'll try to remember to do it when i get back to the us and let ya know

 

[midfacedeficient]

somehow got all my dates mixed up pre ops done, surgeries tomorrow. gunna iron out the kinks with mehmet tonight. hair transplant some time next week

 

[nishka]

goodluck

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Good luck broski.
I love to follow your journey it’s really interesting

 

[shedontluv-U]

I'm at 5 week post op from djs and starting to look at what i want done next. I think my eye area's good enough so i was mainly looking at the mid face and a little bit of the lower third. just gunna say what i was thinking about have done and see what you all think. i threw some befores relaxed and smiling (i have teeth now didnt before the downgraft) in the attachments for reference. not sure why the photos look so dingy


midface
nose job
given. going to reduce the size and slightly upturn it.
lip lift
not sure if it's necessary. my teeth show when i smile but not when I talk. I'd like them to show when I talk. but if I pull the lip up it might show gum when i smile. what do you guys think? is it possible?

paranasals
as you can see now that some swellings gone down my nasolabials are getting more prominent again. I don't want fat grafting, i wanted to fake some bone support instead. Surgeon thinks a facelift oughtta do it, but id rather augment the structure, facelift seems like a subscription based service where ive gotta do it again and again over the years to keep fixing it.
I've seen a few different shapes, ones with a hood on each side of the nose, ones with one big hoof under the nose, and ones that trace all the way up the side if the nose and also augment the infras. This is more of a full midface augmentation. Do these look stupid in practice or no?
Should I get paranasals, and what shape would work best?

cheekbones
could i increase them a good bit more or am i approaching the gay zone?

lower third
buccal fat removal
I want the hollow cheeks and ik this helps but everyone hates on it. what do you guys think? i like the skeleton, gaunt look. so i think id like it

chin
chin is deviated a few mm sideways, and upturned in the side profile. would it be easier to just have the entire thing shaved off and augmented instead of doing genio? I'd get more freedom in my design and I think it's be a faster recovery.

jaw
if i do a chin implant, should I go ahead and design the implant to augment the entire mandible? fix the angle a bit and add some flare at the ends?

neck lift
got that little double chin no matter how lean i get


So yeah lmk what you guys think and if you have any other suggestions

God take all the dysmorphism of @puppyboy264
And gave it to this guy

 

[nishka]

are you alive bud

 

[midfacedeficient]

are you alive bud

Yep yep been a busy day. started my fast. knife hits tomorrow.

 

[midfacedeficient]

So today I had my pre ops. blood came back great. Perfect ekg and ultrasound of the heart. lil high blood pressure scare at first but it was right after I had eaten; it went down later. Had a consult with one of Mehmet's friends for the hair transplant, will probably be doing that on monday or tuesday hopefully. 2-2.5k grafts.

Then I had my meeting with Dr Comert to finalize everything for tomorrow. We decided on co2 laser, rhino, buccal fat removal. To fix the exposed surgery plates, he's likely going to just remove the middle plate. We discussed the different options, and this one would allow me to get better mid face support from palate expansion down the road. He made 2 new sets of completely different plates with one design excluding the middle bar if necessary. but that would increase recovery and we likely won't need them. He's also doing some minor thing to release the crease in the forehead, not sure exactly what.

I've attached several references images I included for dr comert for the rhino. definitely reducing the nasal bridge width and base width. taking some of the meat off the tip. slightly upturning it, and straightening it. He's considering augmenting it a bit to project it further and higher up the nose. My mockups and reference images would never be achieved by about any surgeon, but this was just to give him the idea of what I wanted, not for him to promise a certain result; there are various limitations for every patient

All in all this round of surgeries totaled me just over 10k usd with travel costs and stay. Wouldve been just under 10k instead if flights werent so costly right now from the latest jew war.

 

[Jgns]

So today I had my pre ops. blood came back great. Perfect ekg and ultrasound of the heart. lil high blood pressure scare at first but it was right after I had eaten; it went down later. Had a consult with one of Mehmet's friends for the hair transplant, will probably be doing that on monday or tuesday hopefully. 2-2.5k grafts.

Then I had my meeting with Dr Comert to finalize everything for tomorrow. We decided on co2 laser, rhino, buccal fat removal. To fix the exposed surgery plates, he's likely going to just remove the middle plate. We discussed the different options, and this one would allow me to get better mid face support from palate expansion down the road. He made 2 new sets of completely different plates with one design excluding the middle bar if necessary. but that would increase recovery and we likely won't need them. He's also doing some minor thing to release the crease in the forehead, not sure exactly what.

I've attached several references images I included for dr comert for the rhino. definitely reducing the nasal bridge width and base width. taking some of the meat off the tip. slightly upturning it, and straightening it. He's considering augmenting it a bit to project it further and higher up the nose. My mockups and reference images would never be achieved by about any surgeon, but this was just to give him the idea of what I wanted, not for him to promise a certain result; there are various limitations for every patient

All in all this round of surgeries totaled me just over 10k usd with travel costs and stay. Wouldve been just under 10k instead if flights werent so costly right now from the latest jew war.

Id say those noses are probably a little too feminine for ur archetype id say go for a leon kennedy type of nose instead of a small piglike nose. Such a tiny nose on u wouldn’t look good, is that what itd look like in the last pic.

 

[midfacedeficient]

Id say those noses are probably a little too feminine for ur archetype id say go for a leon kennedy type of nose instead of a small piglike nose. Such a tiny nose on u wouldn’t look good, is that what itd look like in the last pic.

yeah yeah it prob wont fit in very well. you mean more of a roman nose than greek? i'll discuss it one last time with dr comert before im put under, but idk. i feel like I can spare some dimorphism, and rhinos also usually end up falling somewhere between where the patient started and what they asked for, so showing him these noses may land me around leon kennedy

 

[LEFORT17]

So today I had my pre ops. blood came back great. Perfect ekg and ultrasound of the heart. lil high blood pressure scare at first but it was right after I had eaten; it went down later. Had a consult with one of Mehmet's friends for the hair transplant, will probably be doing that on monday or tuesday hopefully. 2-2.5k grafts.

Then I had my meeting with Dr Comert to finalize everything for tomorrow. We decided on co2 laser, rhino, buccal fat removal. To fix the exposed surgery plates, he's likely going to just remove the middle plate. We discussed the different options, and this one would allow me to get better mid face support from palate expansion down the road. He made 2 new sets of completely different plates with one design excluding the middle bar if necessary. but that would increase recovery and we likely won't need them. He's also doing some minor thing to release the crease in the forehead, not sure exactly what.

I've attached several references images I included for dr comert for the rhino. definitely reducing the nasal bridge width and base width. taking some of the meat off the tip. slightly upturning it, and straightening it. He's considering augmenting it a bit to project it further and higher up the nose. My mockups and reference images would never be achieved by about any surgeon, but this was just to give him the idea of what I wanted, not for him to promise a certain result; there are various limitations for every patient

All in all this round of surgeries totaled me just over 10k usd with travel costs and stay. Wouldve been just under 10k instead if flights werent so costly right now from the latest jew war.

bros speedrunning ts. sounds like a good plan

 

[kaydd]

So today I had my pre ops. blood came back great. Perfect ekg and ultrasound of the heart. lil high blood pressure scare at first but it was right after I had eaten; it went down later. Had a consult with one of Mehmet's friends for the hair transplant, will probably be doing that on monday or tuesday hopefully. 2-2.5k grafts.

Then I had my meeting with Dr Comert to finalize everything for tomorrow. We decided on co2 laser, rhino, buccal fat removal. To fix the exposed surgery plates, he's likely going to just remove the middle plate. We discussed the different options, and this one would allow me to get better mid face support from palate expansion down the road. He made 2 new sets of completely different plates with one design excluding the middle bar if necessary. but that would increase recovery and we likely won't need them. He's also doing some minor thing to release the crease in the forehead, not sure exactly what.

I've attached several references images I included for dr comert for the rhino. definitely reducing the nasal bridge width and base width. taking some of the meat off the tip. slightly upturning it, and straightening it. He's considering augmenting it a bit to project it further and higher up the nose. My mockups and reference images would never be achieved by about any surgeon, but this was just to give him the idea of what I wanted, not for him to promise a certain result; there are various limitations for every patient

All in all this round of surgeries totaled me just over 10k usd with travel costs and stay. Wouldve been just under 10k instead if flights werent so costly right now from the latest jew war.

You don't see anything wrong with only putting up females? Is this on purpose?

 

[Jgns]

yeah yeah it prob wont fit in very well. you mean more of a roman nose than greek? i'll discuss it one last time with dr comert before im put under, but idk. i feel like I can spare some dimorphism, and rhinos also usually end up falling somewhere between where the patient started and what they asked for, so showing him these noses may land me around leon kennedy

Nahh like a greek nose with projection, but yeah i was worried u were going to go for a tiny nose instead given that last pic. It seems like yk what ur doing, so yeah def add projection gl bro

 

[midfacedeficient]

You don't see anything wrong with only putting up females? Is this on purpose?

nah its just when i looked up straight nose or greek nose the examples were mostly women

 

[midfacedeficient]

Nahh like a greek nose with projection, but yeah i was worried u were going to go for a tiny nose instead given that last pic. It seems like yk what ur doing, so yeah def add projection gl bro

nah definitely not shooting for a button nose