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I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
 
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I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
This thread Lacks Logic, Depth, and Coherence engaging would be a waste of time. DNR.
 
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Narrow pallate is not genetic. I mean it is after degeneration of your genes.

Human jaw shrinkage is the phenomenon of continued size reduction of the human mandible and maxilla over the past 12,000 to 15,000 years. Modern human lifestyles and diets are vastly different now from what they were for most of human evolutionary history. Human jaws, as well as oral cavities, have been shrinking ever since the spread of agriculture during the Neolithic Revolution (c. 12,000 years ago). This has been confirmed by bone remains dated to this time period.[1][2] Researchers are able to infer the basic lifestyle practices of past cultures, enabling them to link jaw size with lifestyle behaviors. Bones from burial sites of past hunter-gatherer societies are associated with larger jaws and mouths, while bones retrieved from former farming cultures have decreased jaw size.[1][3][4]

Bones from farming societies indicate the presence of dental malocclusions, commonly known as non-straight teeth.[1] Within recent centuries, as food has become more processed and soft in form, a rapid increase in non-straight teeth, smaller jaws, and mouths has been observed, as well as decreased space for wisdom teeth, and associated health conditions. Such conditions include sleep apnea, constricted airways, and decreased respiratory fitness.[2][5][4][6] Medical professionals have been making similar observations and documenting them for hundreds of years.[4] Changes in diet, lifestyle, and breathing patterns have led to maladaptive phenotypic expression in terms of morphological craniofacial development that starts in childhood but persists throughout the lifespan.[4]
everyones jaws got smaller even chads. as we are not in a savage society where we have to frighten every male we encounter to not die in brutal scraps to death. be glad ur not ogre. this is all written with studies paid for by orthos. the second paragraph is a sweeping generalisation based on small pool sizes. how does jeremy meeks have a wide palate growing up eating candy in the hood. how can i grow up next to neighbhours who one of their kids as the smallest palate since young age and the sibling with same lifestyle has a wide palate.

its random genetic recomb
 
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Just be quiet before you embarass yourself more
how, you have completely made assumptions with no basis to make ur points up until this point and clearly have a bias to an appealing to a larp about ancestors having no flaws due to diet. its genes. people just get unlucky. thats the point of black pill it recognises genetic determinism
 
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how, you have completely made assumptions with no basis to make ur points up until this point and clearly have a bias to an appealing to a larp about ancestors having no flaws due to diet. its genes. people just get unlucky. thats the point of black pill it recognises genetic determinism
bp recognizes that looks matter. Whether it's genes or environment is debated. I say it's mostly genetic, but a good environment will add certain features that enhance attractiveness. 8/10 is genes the other 2 points come from environment.
 
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everyones jaws got smaller even chads. as we are not in a savage society where we have to frighten every male we encounter to not die in brutal scraps to death. be glad ur not ogre. this is all written with studies paid for by orthos. the second paragraph is a sweeping generalisation based on small pool sizes. how does jeremy meeks have a wide palate growing up eating candy in the hood. how can i grow up next to neighbhours who one of their kids as the smallest palate since young age and the sibling with same lifestyle has a wide palate.

its random genetic recomb
Show me where you got it from that these studies where paid for by orthos. Human remanis support this. And "random genetic recomb" definetly has an impact on this. But you dont know what their mothers ate during pregnancy and before. Also some people develop different under these conditions. Some might have better jaws and teeth, some might have better bodies. Just because genes have a big impact on this, does not mean this isnt real.

Everyone except me of my silblings has a recessed jaw and slight crowding or other issues, despite my parents and grandparents all having perfect jaws and teeth without exception. They ate a different diet.
 
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bp recognizes that looks matter. Whether it's genes or environment is debated. I say it's mostly genetic, but a good environment will add certain features that enhance attractiveness. 8/10 is genes the other 2 points come from environment.
looks matter? no its not
modern bp is about determinism, not only genes or look debate
 
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bp recognizes that looks matter. Whether it's genes or environment is debated. I say it's mostly genetic, but a good environment will add certain features that enhance attractiveness. 8/10 is genes the other 2 points come from environment.
Yes its mostly genes. But you guys dont realize how genes work, they change dramatically. Or else why am i the smallest male in my family since 100 years? You also dont realize how fragile humans are during development. Just a little bit of fermented fruit basically can deform your child if consumed by the mother during pregnancy. Thinking bad lifestyle, diet and toxins cant make the difference between incel and non incel is incredibely ignorant imo
 
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Yes its mostly genes. But you guys dont realize how genes work, they change dramatically. Or else why am i the smallest male in my family since 100 years? You also dont realize how fragile humans are during development. Just a little bit of fermented fruit basically can deform your child if consumed by the mother during pregnancy. Thinking bad lifestyle, diet and toxins cant make the difference between incel and non incel is incredibely ignorant imo
mfs will look at a testosterone graph and conclude the environment is cope :lul::lul::lul::lul:
 
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Yes its mostly genes. But you guys dont realize how genes work, they change dramatically. Or else why am i the smallest male in my family since 100 years? You also dont realize how fragile humans are during development. Just a little bit of fermented fruit basically can deform your child if consumed by the mother during pregnancy. Thinking bad lifestyle, diet and toxins cant make the difference between incel and non incel is incredibely ignorant imo
Just think about this. If your father wouldnt have been 20% bf and had different hormone levels you wouldnt exist. Maybe higher testosterone and better sperm count would have made his child a chad. Instead he got you. Maybe i overestimate the importance who knows. But you get a better roll of the dice, which should mean everything to you if you're truly blackpilled.
 
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mfs will look at a testosterone graph and conclude the environment is cope :lul::lul::lul::lul:
For instance, certain hunter-gatherer populations living in Europe during the Paleolithic Era and India during the Mesolithic Period averaged heights of around 183 cm (6 ft 0 in) for males, and 172 cm (5 ft 8 in) for females.
 
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Just think about this. If your father wouldnt have been 20% bf and had different hormone levels you wouldnt exist. Maybe higher testosterone and better sperm count would have made his child a chad. Instead he got you. Maybe i overestimate the importance who knows. But you get a better roll of the dice, which should mean everything to you if you're truly blackpilled.
lowkey we just have to wait until we have a full report on genetic/epigenetic beauty
 
Show me where you got it from that these studies where paid for by orthos. Human remanis support this. And "random genetic recomb" definetly has an impact on this. But you dont know what their mothers ate during pregnancy and before. Also some people develop different under these conditions. Some might have better jaws and teeth, some might have better bodies. Just because genes have a big impact on this, does not mean this isnt real.

Everyone except me of my silblings has a recessed jaw and slight crowding or other issues, despite my parents and grandparents all having perfect jaws and teeth without exception. They ate a different diet.
u can look for yourself, the paper trail is buried but can be found it is funded. I do know those mothers they ate processed foods. People developping different under the same conditions means that genetics is truly the determining factor, the only why things would be different. Ur siblings and urself have differnet things due to random gene expression. ur parents and grandparents have teeth the same size as their palates due to luck. ur mother for example can have what looks like wide palate proportional to her skul but its narrower to that of ur father. one of ur siblings gets ur fathers teeth size and mothers palate. all of a sudden, typical crowding.

this is how it works. how kids can be cucked by bad luck. not their fault. just genes
 
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damn u got him there. I take back what i sayed about pfh i was wrong. (something copers cant do, learn.)
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its often about how broad the orbitals are (zygos tilt, supraorbital width), then about actual vertical height of the orbital
 
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u can look for yourself, the paper trail is buried but can be found it is funded. I do know those mothers they ate processed foods. People developping different under the same conditions means that genetics is truly the determining factor, the only why things would be different. Ur siblings and urself have differnet things due to random gene expression. ur parents and grandparents have teeth the same size as their palates due to luck. ur mother for example can have what looks like wide palate proportional to her skul but its narrower to that of ur father. one of ur siblings gets ur fathers teeth size and mothers palate. all of a sudden, typical crowding.

this is how it works. how kids can be cucked by bad luck. not their fault. just genes
better luck next time
 
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lowkey we just have to wait until we have a full report on genetic/epigenetic beauty
Yes, i cant fully comprehend how large the impact is with some claiming it doesnt matter at all and some claiming its everything. I believe what anyone reasonably should - its somewhere in between. I do believe envoirement is slightly underrated as it literally changes genes and their expression. Just think about this: your face is already like 75% completed shortly after birth, how can malnutrition now drastically influence your face then, even only during pregnancy.

Of course "they" want you to believe its all genes. Go get your wisdom teeth extracted, go eat your goyslop and enjoy microplastic in your testicles.:ROFLMAO:
 
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For instance, certain hunter-gatherer populations living in Europe during the Paleolithic Era and India during the Mesolithic Period averaged heights of around 183 cm (6 ft 0 in) for males, and 172 cm (5 ft 8 in) for females.
this larp isnt true. from what i can find quickly.

Here's a breakdown of what we know:​


1. Paleolithic Europe (ca. 2.5 million – 10,000 BCE)


  • Upper Paleolithic (ca. 40,000 – 10,000 BCE) populations in Europe were relatively tall compared to later Neolithic (farming) populations.
  • Adult male heights based on skeletal remains often ranged between 168–178 cm (5'6"–5'10"), occasionally higher.
  • Females averaged 155–165 cm (5'1"–5'5").
  • There are a few individual remains over 183 cm (6'0"), but that wasn't the average.
  • Example: The Gravettian and Magdalenian cultures had some taller individuals, but 183 cm as an average is not supported by current archaeological data.

2. Mesolithic India (ca. 10,000 – 3,000 BCE)


  • Much less is known compared to Europe, but:
  • Skeletal remains from sites like Bagor and Sarai Nahar Rai suggest average male heights closer to 165–170 cm (5'5"–5'7"), and female heights around 150–160 cm (4'11"–5'3").
  • Again, some individuals might have been taller, but 183/172 cm average heights are not supported by the majority of anthropological studies in South Asia.
 
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Yes, i cant fully comprehend how large the impact is with some claiming it doesnt matter at all and some claiming its everything. I believe what anyone reasonably should - its somewhere in between. I do believe envoirement is slightly underrated as it literally changes genes and their expression. Just think about this: your face is already like 75% completed shortly after birth, how can malnutrition now drastically influence your face then, even only during pregnancy.

Of course "they" want you to believe its all genes. Go get your wisdom teeth extracted, go eat your goyslop and enjoy microplastic in your testicles.:ROFLMAO:
Ngl it's mostly genes but people who reject environment at this point are retards
 
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endocrine disruptors and hormone altering water/food tanked our mean testosterone
but you can't really change your androgen receptors, just by avoiding those things the best you can do is slightly rise your test
most of it's the damage is already done to your genes
 
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how is test connected to the environment?
True it just lowers itself magically because its all genes.
u can look for yourself, the paper trail is buried but can be found it is funded. I do know those mothers they ate processed foods. People developping different under the same conditions means that genetics is truly the determining factor, the only why things would be different. Ur siblings and urself have differnet things due to random gene expression. ur parents and grandparents have teeth the same size as their palates due to luck. ur mother for example can have what looks like wide palate proportional to her skul but its narrower to that of ur father. one of ur siblings gets ur fathers teeth size and mothers palate. all of a sudden, typical crowding.

this is how it works. how kids can be cucked by bad luck. not their fault. just genes
Why would they bury the paper trail when the elites want you to believe its all genes? Its the opposite of what youre saying. Also dismissing any science as "funded by orthos" is comical almost. There are many peer reviewed studies that have not been funded by them that conclude the same.
 
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this larp is true. from what i can find quickly.

Here's a breakdown of what we know:​


1. Paleolithic Europe (ca. 2.5 million – 10,000 BCE)


  • Upper Paleolithic (ca. 40,000 – 10,000 BCE) populations in Europe were relatively tall compared to later Neolithic (farming) populations.
  • Adult male heights based on skeletal remains often ranged between 168–178 cm (5'6"–5'10"), occasionally higher.
  • Females averaged 155–165 cm (5'1"–5'5").
  • There are a few individual remains over 183 cm (6'0"), but that wasn't the average.
  • Example: The Gravettian and Magdalenian cultures had some taller individuals, but 183 cm as an average is not supported by current archaeological data.

2. Mesolithic India (ca. 10,000 – 3,000 BCE)


  • Much less is known compared to Europe, but:
  • Skeletal remains from sites like Bagor and Sarai Nahar Rai suggest average male heights closer to 165–170 cm (5'5"–5'7"), and female heights around 150–160 cm (4'11"–5'3").
  • Again, some individuals might have been taller, but 183/172 cm average heights are not supported by the majority of anthropological studies in South Asia.
"some"

Yes — Europeans generally got shorter after adopting agriculture, especially during the Neolithic period (~10,000 to 4,500 BCE). This is a well-documented trend in physical anthropology.




📉 What Happened:​


✅ 1. Average Heights Declined


After the transition from hunting and gathering to farming:


  • Male height dropped from ~168–178 cm (5'6"–5'10") in the Upper Paleolithic
    to around 160–167 cm (5'3"–5'6") in the Neolithic.
  • Female height declined from ~155–165 cm (5'1"–5'5") to ~150–160 cm (4'11"–5'3").

This height reduction lasted for thousands of years before recovering in some populations during later periods (e.g., the Iron Age).




🔍 Why Did They Shrink?​


🍞 1. Diet Became Less Nutritious


  • Pre-agricultural diets: meat, fish, nuts, diverse plants → high protein, micronutrients
  • Early agricultural diets: heavy reliance on grains (wheat, barley), often lacking in protein, iron, and variety

🦠 2. Disease Burden Increased


  • Living in denser communities and close to animals increased infectious disease exposure.
  • Chronic infections stunt growth, especially in children.

🧬 3. Developmental Stress


  • Skeletal remains show enamel hypoplasias, signs of malnutrition and growth disruption.
  • Evidence of stunted limb growth and weaker bones during the Neolithic.

🛠️ 4. Physical Activity Changed


  • Less mobility, more repetitive farming labor, less robust bone structure.



🧠 So Why Does This Matter?​


  • It reveals a cost of agriculture: while farming allowed for population growth, it came at the expense of individual health and stature — at least early on.
  • It also shows how lifestyle and nutrition shape human biology, not just genetics.



✅ Summary​


PeriodMale Avg HeightFemale Avg HeightNotes
Upper Paleolithic168–178 cm155–165 cmTall, well-nourished foragers
Early Neolithic160–167 cm150–160 cmDecline due to diet & disease
Later PrehistoryGradual reboundGradual reboundImproved nutrition over time

So yes — Europeans got noticeably shorter after the rise of agriculture, a decline linked more to environment than genetics.


Would you like a chart or study references?
 
Just think about this. If your father wouldnt have been 20% bf and had different hormone levels you wouldnt exist. Maybe higher testosterone and better sperm count would have made his child a chad. Instead he got you. Maybe i overestimate the importance who knows. But you get a better roll of the dice, which should mean everything to you if you're truly blackpilled.
I firmly believe a child could become perfectly developed, and attractive if everything was properly went right, including no major genetic diseases, this includes any nasal obstructing issues. The environment should also be ideal, no dust and other allergens, to obstruct nasal airways, for optimal development. Also diet plays a crucial role in the development of the jaw, especially during childhood, form birth to end of puberty is the most vital period in the lifetime for it to be transformative.

You can have a read of this, informative article, extremely high IQ:
It's so extensive, it will take 70 minutes to read, but worth every molecule :Comfy:
 
but you can't really change your androgen receptors, just by avoiding those things the best you can do is slightly rise your test
most of it's the damage is already done to your genes
the damage was done due to the fact our parents were exposed to chemicals while we were still in the womb. I agree avoiding it now will yield little result as the damage was already done to us :feelsbadman:

Nobody can convince me a pretty boy mogs a dimorphic chad/ogre. This type of man used to be more common, but we will probably never see that level of dimorphism ever again. All thx to our environment.
 

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I firmly believe a child could become perfectly developed, and attractive if everything was properly went right, including no major genetic diseases, this includes any nasal obstructing issues. The environment should also be ideal, no dust and other allergens, to obstruct nasal airways, for optimal development. Also diet plays a crucial role in the development of the jaw, especially during childhood, form birth to end of puberty is the most vital period in the lifetime for it to be transformative.

You can have a read of this, informative article, extremely high IQ:
It's so extensive, it will take 70 minutes to read, but worth every molecule :Comfy:
Might just be. I also think genes are very important, nobody would be o pry here. But instead of a 4/10 incel they might have been a 6/10 guy with a family. From nothing to everything with a few millimeters of bone. Also its not all diet, its also sleep, stress and maybe vaccines..?
 
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I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
holy ND
Hope you become infertile
 
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Might just be. I also think genes are very important, nobody would be o pry here. But instead of a 4/10 incel they might have been a 6/10 guy with a family. From nothing to everything with a few millimeters of bone. Also its not all diet, its also sleep, stress and maybe vaccines..?
ong. People are acting like the environment doesn't make the average person around a 5.5/10. It would be much easier to hardmax also
 
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crowded palate occurs to malnutrition and underdevelopment (womb, puberty). Also endocrine disruptors affect growth. You will most likely have tall children, maybe 6 4?

Just make sure the mom has had a good diet and avoided endocrine disruptors for a while. Then have the baby. Make sure you breastfeed the baby for 3 years. After that put him on a diet of cooked or raw meat, and make sure they never taste seasoning or good food. Humans were never meant to eat tasty food. Also give him carbs and sunlight.
Thanks 🙏 a normal person here
 
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crowded palate is due to being born with a palate narower than ur teeth are big. its complete random chance. kids are born with crowded palate or not, simple as that
I thought people in this forum had minimal knowledge; there is no genetics that gives you a narrow palate, it's purely environmental
 
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Pretty boy will never mog masculine Chad. Studies have proven time and time again that dimorphism is ideal in males. And it makes sense. Girls are attracted to subconscious cues of a male being able to dominate and defend. Fighting success.

On the opposite boys are attracted to neoteny. Saying girls prefer pretty boys is like saying that boys prefer girls with a brow ridge. It doesn't make sense
 
I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
well if u pull her good luck she dosent get taller than u:D
 
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Pretty boy will never mog masculine Chad. Studies have proven time and time again that dimorphism is ideal in males. And it makes sense. Girls are attracted to subconscious cues of a male being able to dominate and defend. Fighting success.

On the opposite boys are attracted to neoteny. Saying girls prefer pretty boys is like saying that boys prefer girls with a brow ridge. It doesn't make sense
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you need both hard and soft features
 
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Nobody is malnourished in 2025, except if you're like actually Somalian. You and your gf have both reached your genetic potential, if you both slept well and grew up without much stress. Your sons with her will be 170-175cm. Deal with it. Crowded teeth really just come from a environmentally (=>ergo not genetically) recessed maxilla, so you're safe on that part. High pre-natal T is really just about mom's genes and lifestyle. If she eats well and her dad is a high t bone head, your kids will have high pre-natal T and grow up high IQ and gl
 
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I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
Spanish cuck
 
Nobody is malnourished in 2025, except if you're like actually Somalian. You and your gf have both reached your genetic potential, if you both slept well and grew up without much stress. Your sons with her will be 170-175cm. Deal with it. Crowded teeth really just come from a environmentally (=>ergo not genetically) recessed maxilla, so you're safe on that part. High pre-natal T is really just about mom's genes and lifestyle. If she eats well and her dad is a high t bone head, your kids will have high pre-natal T and grow up high IQ and gl
its not his gf just some girl he likes
 
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its not his gf just some girl he likes
Lmao wtf who makes up life plans with some random girl :lul::lul::lul:. OP, get rid of your onitis. Just cut her out. Having crushes nukes your slaying potential
 
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I am 1.84 (6 ft) tall at 16 years old, I like a 1.50 (5'11) tall woman, she is15 years old, but I want tall sons of +1.83 because I want them to be models, I have noticed that she has crowded teeth which is a sign that she has not received enough nutrients in their development, although we are both handsome I have not received enough nutrients either, would it be a good idea to have children with her if I feed my children from the time they are in their mother's womb with organs and raw meat, raw milk, and high testosterone? and don't come with the nonsense that it is dangerous please, according to chatgpt I could have reached a final height of 194 and she 160 if we had had the ideal environments, would that make our sons approximately 1.84 tall, opinions?
Go for it, but it also depends on how you both look like.

Is this your only opportunity or are there other options?
 

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