HGH Stack Question - IMPORTANT

[chud099]

Questions?:

This is the current stack im going to take for late puberty growth hopefully, and im wondering if I should add Erda 5mg ontop of all of this. The only reason right now im withdrawing is because im assuming Letrozole will have a similar effect and wont be as toxic, along with the fact that I will be able to workout and do heavy compound lifts and squats while not taking Erda.
While with Erda I doubt Id be able to workout or even jog tbh with the immense joint pain and strain, would the outcome of me doing heavy compound lifts and taking Letrozole raise my natural test more and give me similar beneficial effects like Erda? I dont care much about the side affects or risks aslong as I dont die or go perma blind (which ik is fearmongered). Id also like to see how long youd run this specific cycle and what dosing to start at and or end. And what to watch out for. I most likely wont be able to run this for more than 4-6 months max because of money issues, recently my job shutdown and car is broke so having to get a new car while running this would be horrid money wise. My budget for 4 months which is how long I think id want to run is around 600-700 USD.

*My main point above is from what I said is it worth it for the heavy compounds lifts without taking Erda or take Erda and not be able to do any heavy compound lifts or workout whatsover, (The Mk-577 was originally for appetite with Erda), is the goal off Erda to try and increase natural test since from what I know Letrozole should be doing similar things just less toxic?*

I weigh rougly 125 lbs, but i will say im super super lean as of right now. I have gotten much much bigger within the last 5-6 months but its all acredited to my short stature and I know that.

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*And no I cant get my bones scanned because no car, and moms already suspicious and dad is as well have already asked and they shot it down immiedatly so thats a no go, along with BW just gotta pray I dont die and plates not closed."

HGH -15 IU
Letrozole - dosing start at 0.625mg-2.5mg
Lanthanum
Mk-677
(Dont know to add Erda or not)

Along with some supps

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Ill be listing all my info and my situation and just want some opinions on what to do, or what'd you do in my situation besides kys

Currently 16, 5'6.4 No cope I'm realistically in Risser 4-5, bone age was a month or two from my actual age a little over 6 months ago turning 17 in 3-4 months. Dad is 6'1.5 and mom is 5'2 is it over? I will say dad was very much a late bloomer grew almost a foot in high school but doesn't seem to be the case with me.
Hit the beginning of puberty 7th grade and currently im a 11th grader. Any advice helps, starting to care less about any side affects im desperate and couldnt care less atp, js might rope atp

Spoiler: wanna kmys

(i was prescirbed hgh from a doctor at one point from the age of 12.5-15.10 and was taking 6-8 IU's daily.) - I was a stupid retarted degenerate at age 13-14 and didn't really know what I was taking and was inconsistent to only 3-4 times a week genuinely eating goy slop, I think about it everyday with what i know now and just wanna go back in time and brutally strangle my younger self.

The doctor has since tooken me off because my growth plates are somewhat close to closing but I also believe its because he couldnt put me over 6 IU and ordering myself Id be blasting more than double. I did have a growth hormone difiency at a young age near puberty it is now since gone but this is the only reason i believe im not taller besides eating straight slop. I dont believe ive hit my genetic height cap but I just dont know anymore tbh any advice helps, i know ts is long just trying to give all the info I can and trying to be somewhat high effort before ts is to late.

Just shared my whole life story atp if you read the whole thing i appreciate ts

 

[Niebvll]

if the GHD is gone GH is cope for you, a certain reversed synergy with erda could be beneficial for you however

 

[chud099]

if the GHD is gone GH is cope for you, a certain reversed synergy with erda could be beneficial for you however

What exactly would you recommend as a whole stack then instead besides Erda ofc?

 

[lowltn14]

fuck im not reading all that but 15 IUs is quite a lot beyond the maximum approved FDA dosing regimen for your weight (0.067mg/kg/day) so its overkill, but if you could afford it I believe its worth, just a lot less ROI

Idk why Lanthanum is up there when erda is in the maybe but im just assuming if you run erda youll be using that

if youre using exogenous HGH imo you should just not use mk-677, your body is going to be producing little HGH to begin with but im not well versed in the pharmacokinetics of mk-677 when paired with high dose hgh

Erda is a good addition once you are getting your basic IGF-1 + AI needs

 

[Niebvll]

What exactly would you recommend as a whole stack then instead besides Erda ofc?

is my name full-pharma-stack-builder-3000?
The ai is good
drop the mk its genuinely uselss in 99% of cases
could try to pair the erda with gh for reduced apoptosis but thats only an in vitro thing atm
side effect treatment obviously
anything else depends on your budget

 

[lowltn14]

if the GHD is gone GH is cope for you, a certain reversed synergy with erda could be beneficial for you however

What is your reasoning behind not liking GH treatment in healthy individuals?

 

[russiangirlsmog]

fuck im not reading all that but 15 IUs is quite a lot beyond the maximum approved FDA dosing regimen for your weight (0.067mg/kg/day) so its overkill, but if you could afford it I believe its worth, just a lot less ROI

Idk why Lanthanum is up there when erda is in the maybe but im just assuming if you run erda youll be using that

if youre using exogenous HGH imo you should just not use mk-677, your body is going to be producing little HGH to begin with but im not well versed in the pharmacokinetics of mk-677 when paired with high dose hgh

Erda is a good addition once you are getting your basic IGF-1 + AI needs

Shut the fuck up

 

[Niebvll]

What is your reasoning behind not liking GH treatment in healthy individuals?

Use your brain you will figure it out
apart from the fact that there is zero (0) evidence/research on GH treatment on healthy teens, it cant add FAH due to the way it works
even gains you would get from more cell proliferations before estrogen induced senescence would be minimal when starting at any pubertal age

 

[lowltn14]

Use your brain you will figure it out
apart from the fact that there is zero (0) evidence/research on GH treatment on healthy teens, it cant add FAH due to the way it works
even gains you would get from more cell proliferations before estrogen induced senescence would be minimal when starting at any pubertal age

What about ISSS? How is that different from healthy individuals? There is a lot of research showing increased FAH from HGH treatment, particularly with AI
What matters is that the increase in growth velocity offsets the increase in growth plate maturation, no?

Also can you send some studies or sm about erda, theres a lot less research on erda for height growth compared to HGH + AI and im trying to learn more about that

 

[Niebvll]

What about ISSS?

ISS

How is that different from healthy individuals?

Polygenetics
tired of explaining this a hundred times every day

There is a lot of research showing increased FAH from HGH treatment, particularly with AI

in ISS or GHD teens

What matters is that the increase in growth velocity offsets the increase in growth plate maturation, no?

Not in normal teens
This would just lead to the same FAH as without (excluding the *possible* minimal gains I talked about before)

Also can you send some studies or sm about erda, theres a lot less research on erda for height growth compared to HGH + AI and im trying to learn more about that

No
DYOR nigger

 

[chud099]

fuck im not reading all that but 15 IUs is quite a lot beyond the maximum approved FDA dosing regimen for your weight (0.067mg/kg/day) so its overkill, but if you could afford it I believe its worth, just a lot less ROI

Idk why Lanthanum is up there when erda is in the maybe but im just assuming if you run erda youll be using that

if youre using exogenous HGH imo you should just not use mk-677, your body is going to be producing little HGH to begin with but im not well versed in the pharmacokinetics of mk-677 when paired with high dose hgh

Erda is a good addition once you are getting your basic IGF-1 + AI needs

for my weight and frame what would you rather recommend? I dont have enough money to just throw around tbh.

 

[chud099]

is my name full-pharma-stack-builder-3000?
The ai is good
drop the mk its genuinely uselss in 99% of cases
could try to pair the erda with gh for reduced apoptosis but thats only an in vitro thing atm
side effect treatment obviously
anything else depends on your budget

if you had a budget of 600-700 USD and would prefer to cycle for 4 months what exactly would you cycle on my circumstances??

 

[Niebvll]

if you had a budget of 600-700 USD and would prefer to cycle for 4 months what exactly would you cycle on my circumstances??

10mg reta a day

 

[chud099]

10mg reta a day
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on top of what I have without Erda im assuming or drop just the hgh entirely and replace with Reta?

 

[Niebvll]

on top of what I have without Erda im assuming or drop just the hgh entirely and replace with Reta?

Nigga
It was a joke because of your avi

 

[chud099]

Nigga
It was a joke because of your avi

im just trying to hop on some shit thats gonna work so i grow bro , i get the jokes but im running out of fucking time

 

[lowltn14]

for my weight and frame what would you rather recommend? I dont have enough money to just throw around tbh.

i read your full thing and your doctor had you on a sort of generous dose of GH for your weight

Traditional idiopathic short stature dosing is 0.37mg/kg/week, which for you weight translates to roughly 9 IU's daily
if you were using a cheap GH source thats ~$0.45/IU, and invested 450 dollars into HGH, thats 1000 IUs, divided by 9 per day thats only 111 days (like 3.5 months, pretty dogshit)

You mentioned your financial situation is cooked rn and you cant get your bread up so what I would do is


- 1.25 mg letrozole EOD or ED
- Erda 4-8mg daily depending on how you tolerate
- Whatever GH secretagogue combo you feel like, ideally something like Mk677 + CJC + Ipamorelin (or just CJC + Ipa)
+ wtv ancilliaries you need for erda to not get seizures from hyperphosphatemia

@Niebvll whats ur thoughts

 

[Niebvll]

i read your full thing and your doctor had you on a sort of generous dose of GH for your weight

Traditional idiopathic short stature dosing is 0.37mg/kg/week, which for you weight translates to roughly 9 IU's daily

He isnt and wasnt ISS
Also 9iu

- 1.25 mg letrozole EOD or ED

1.25mg eod

- Whatever GH secretagogue combo you feel like, ideally something like Mk677 + CJC + Ipamorelin (or just CJC + Ipa)

 

[chud099]

i read your full thing and your doctor had you on a sort of generous dose of GH for your weight

Traditional idiopathic short stature dosing is 0.37mg/kg/week, which for you weight translates to roughly 9 IU's daily
if you were using a cheap GH source thats ~$0.45/IU, and invested 450 dollars into HGH, thats 1000 IUs, divided by 9 per day thats only 111 days (like 3.5 months, pretty dogshit)

You mentioned your financial situation is cooked rn and you cant get your bread up so what I would do is


- 1.25 mg letrozole EOD or ED
- Erda 4-8mg daily depending on how you tolerate
- Whatever GH secretagogue combo you feel like, ideally something like Mk677 + CJC + Ipamorelin (or just CJC + Ipa)
+ wtv ancilliaries you need for erda to not get seizures from hyperphosphatemia

@Niebvll whats ur thoughts

Now this is a real answer thank you for ts

 

[chud099]

im just fucking confused wtf

 

[lowltn14]

ISS

idiopathic short stature SYNDROME

Polygenetics
tired of explaining this a hundred times every day

For polygenic ISSS, the distinction comes from a quantitative discrepancy in height compared to normal groups of people rather than a specific mechanism in the body (ex: pathway alteration in FRGR3). Growth plates don't give a flying FUCK about if someone has ISSS or is healthy, chondrocytes will respond to increased stimulation from IGF-1. All it comes down to is whether or not the additional growth caused by an increased growth velocity is retained, and a notable portion of it is - particularly when paired with an AI. ISSS treated subjects grow taller than their historical control groups when they undergo HGH + AI treatment. This idea that polygenetic ISSS growth plates somehow behave differently or doesn't mature the same does not hold up. "Healthy" teens are not bound to their growth potential either, polygenetic factors influences EVERYONES heights. Polygenic ISSS is just the extreme lower end of the normal height distribution - just because someone gets an unlucky set of variables does not mean they get a special cheat code to their height.

Not in normal teens
This would just lead to the same FAH as without (excluding the *possible* minimal gains I talked about before)

Unless there's a study conducted in healthy teens using ISSS style treatment which contradicts my point, what I said previously holds up.

Not continuing this further since this niggas on some bullshit

 

[Niebvll]

idiopathic short stature SYNDROME

ISS is not a syndrome.
Why are you making up bs??

For polygenic ISSS, the distinction comes from a quantitative discrepancy in height compared to normal groups of people rather than a specific mechanism in the body (ex: pathway alteration in FRGR3). Growth plates don't give a flying FUCK about if someone has ISSS or is healthy, chondrocytes will respond to increased stimulation from IGF-1. All it comes down to is whether or not the additional growth caused by an increased growth velocity is retained, and a notable portion of it is - particularly when paired with an AI. ISSS treated subjects grow taller than their historical control groups when they undergo HGH + AI treatment. This idea that polygenetic ISSS growth plates somehow behave differently or doesn't mature the same does not hold up. "Healthy" teens are not bound to their growth potential either, polygenetic factors influences EVERYONES heights. Polygenic ISSS is just the extreme lower end of the normal height distribution - just because someone gets an unlucky set of variables does not mean they get a special cheat code to their height.

You can 1 tell this is ai-based knowledge and 2 you obviously dont know what I was talking about lmao
DNRd after genetics dont matter for chondrocytes

Unless there's a study conducted in healthy teens using ISSS style treatment which contradicts my point, what I said previously holds up.

No it doesnt lol

Not continuing this further since this niggas on some bullshit

You cant even name it correctly not figure out the effects of genetics on gp physiology
Also might wanna look up the definition for a syndrome, ISS is quite the opposite

 

[lowltn14]

ISS is not a syndrome.
Why are you making up bs??

You can 1 tell this is ai-based knowledge and 2 you obviously dont know what I was talking about lmao
DNRd after genetics dont matter for chondrocytes

No it doesnt lol

You cant even name it correctly not figure out the effects of genetics on gp physiology
Also might wanna look up the definition for a syndrome, ISS is quite the opposite

OK GUYS I WILL ADMIT.... I AIed the whole thing....

nah im trolling but the ISS vs ISSS thing is actually true, pretty sure I heard ISSS from an old leoandlongevity (RIP) video from months and months back SO I WILL ADMIT WHERE I AM WRONG

everything else I said though was true lmao thats why you lamented on the syndrome thing with your germanbabble thread

 

[Niebvll]

OK GUYS I WILL ADMIT.... I AIed the whole thing....

nah im trolling

Youre not
its obvious that you either did it now or gained your knowledge on this topic from earlier ai questioning

everything else I said though was true

It wasnt lmao
Read a fucking book on polygenetics and how gene expression influences gp physiology

thats why you lamented on the syndrome thing with your germanbabble thread

I mentioned that in 1 sentence, just like I mentioned all your other errors in that thread
Lowiq spotted