High Estrogen Levels are key for increasing male dimorphism. Aromatase inhibitors will cuck you

[incel194012940]

The key is having BOTH high E and high T

Trends in sex hormone concentrations in US males: 1988-1991 to 1999-2004 - PubMed

Previous studies suggest that male testosterone concentrations have declined over time. To explore this in a large US population, we examined testosterone and free testosterone concentrations in National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) from 1988-1991 and 1999-2004. We also...

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In conclusion, there was no evidence for testosterone decline between 1988-1991 and 1999-2004 in the US general population. Subgroup analyses suggest that SHBG and 3α-diol-G declined in young white men, estradiol declined in white and Mexican-American men, and free testosterone increased in young black men. These changes may be related to the increasing prevalence of reproductive disorders in young men.

If you look at black men, their serum T levels are the same as whites. The difference is a higher level of serum E.

Racial/ethnic differences in serum sex steroid hormone concentrations in US adolescent males - PubMed

In adolescent males, non-Hispanic blacks did not have a higher testosterone concentration than non-Hispanic whites, and Mexican-Americans had the highest testosterone concentration, patterns similar to adult males.

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Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels. Given these findings, it may be equally if not more important to investigate estradiol as testosterone in relation to diseases with racial disparity.

This is correlated with higher levels of aggression, more sexual behavior, and higher NT levels.

Rapid effects of estrogens on behavior: environmental modulation and molecular mechanisms

Estradiol can modulate neural activity and behavior via both genomic and nongenomic mechanisms. Environmental cues have a major impact on the relative importance of these signaling pathways with significant consequences for behavior. First we consider ...

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In old men low E levels are associated with high pitched voice dead srs. Don’t think it’s a coincidence.

Ironically black women are seen as “masculine” because they have HIGHER estrogen than white women, as seen from both their bodies and behavior.

This is why lardasses have “strong bone structures”. The excess estrogen produced by the fat widens the cheekbones and expands the maxilla. Frame made bigger too. It simply would not be possible to walk on that load without the bone health boost from elevated estrogen levels. (This is why Aromasin caused squeaky joints)

Muhhh height - every study has shown higher E levels from obesity close the plates faster, while accelerating growth. Same final heights.

Pair with the neuroprotective, mood brightening, bone, skin and hair benefits.

What you SHOULD be taking in puberty is HGH and DHT, “aromatase inhibitors” will cuck you.

Discuss.

 

[Growth Plate]

Muhhh height - every study has shown higher E levels from obesity close the plates faster, while accelerating growth. Same final heights.

I've read studies that concluded this. Can you explain why precocious puberty kids end up with oddly short stature, but castrated singers and aromatase deficient men end up oddly tall?

 

[currylightskin]

I've read studies that concluded this. Can you explain why precocious puberty kids end up with oddly short stature, but castrated singers and aromatase deficient men end up oddly tall?

omg huge ass

 

[currylightskin]

hmmm interesting research

 

[Deleted member 9670]

Ye estrogen is important for hair, skin and sexual health also

 

[incel194012940]

I've read studies that concluded this. Can you explain why precocious puberty kids end up with oddly short stature, but castrated singers and aromatase deficient men end up oddly tall?

I haven't looked into this but I'm guessing precocious puberty puts kids bones in an advanced tanner stage eariler, cucking them out of years of childhood growth. As well as at a time the body isn't fully equipped to use the hormones it has.

 

[Deleted member 18849]

That's why Gandy mogs? High T exposure during puberty and eventually some (a lot) of it aromatized to E. Mogger voice and cheekbones, wide hips?

Muhhh height - every study has shown higher E levels from obesity close the plates faster, while accelerating growth. Same final heights.

Also disagree about the height thing. High T is correlated with high E, but the reason they get taller in the first place is high T. So @Growth Plate is closer to the truth there. HGH, T to E conversion rates, nutrition all come in to play. In other words, if you had 2 teens with high T during puberty all else equal, but the one got very low E vs the other high T to E conversion, the former's plates would fuse later.

What you SHOULD be taking in puberty is HGH and DHT, “aromatase inhibitors” will cuck you.

So yeah E is good for bones, heart and nerve protection and proper sexual development, and taking AIs might not be healthy but in terms of final height it'll grab some cm off you:

Spoiler: T

@FreakkForLife @Ada Mustang @astatine @Xangsane @MarkCorrigan @thereallegend @AlexBrown84 @currylightskin

 

[Paroxysm]

this has been known for a long time. nuking your E entirely is fucking retarded. you need high T + normal E levels. Having too high E will make you snappy, prone to mood swings, prone to violence outbursts etc etc just like a hysterical woman.

Roid rage is ironically caused by elevated E from excess aromatization of testosterone, not elevated testosterone in itself

 

[FreakkForLife]

The key is having BOTH high E and high T

Trends in sex hormone concentrations in US males: 1988-1991 to 1999-2004 - PubMed

Previous studies suggest that male testosterone concentrations have declined over time. To explore this in a large US population, we examined testosterone and free testosterone concentrations in National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) from 1988-1991 and 1999-2004. We also...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you look at black men, their serum T levels are the same as whites. The difference is a higher level of serum E.

Racial/ethnic differences in serum sex steroid hormone concentrations in US adolescent males - PubMed

In adolescent males, non-Hispanic blacks did not have a higher testosterone concentration than non-Hispanic whites, and Mexican-Americans had the highest testosterone concentration, patterns similar to adult males.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This is correlated with higher levels of aggression, more sexual behavior, and higher NT levels.

Rapid effects of estrogens on behavior: environmental modulation and molecular mechanisms

Estradiol can modulate neural activity and behavior via both genomic and nongenomic mechanisms. Environmental cues have a major impact on the relative importance of these signaling pathways with significant consequences for behavior. First we consider ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

In old men low E levels are associated with high pitched voice dead srs. Don’t think it’s a coincidence.

Ironically black women are seen as “masculine” because they have HIGHER estrogen than white women, as seen from both their bodies and behavior.

This is why lardasses have “strong bone structures”. The excess estrogen produced by the fat widens the cheekbones and expands the maxilla. Frame made bigger too. It simply would not be possible to walk on that load without the bone health boost from elevated estrogen levels. (This is why Aromasin caused squeaky joints)

Muhhh height - every study has shown higher E levels from obesity close the plates faster, while accelerating growth. Same final heights.

Pair with the neuroprotective, mood brightening, bone, skin and hair benefits.

What you SHOULD be taking in puberty is HGH and DHT, “aromatase inhibitors” will cuck you.

Discuss.

Good thread.
But know that the difference between blacks and whites of estrogen is just 5pg/ml which is not much,in other words we can say they are nearly the same,the difference could arise from study mistakes and complexities,not much can be concluded on 1 study.

 

[incel194012940]

Good thread.
But know that the difference between blacks and whites of estrogen is just 5pg/ml which is not much,in other words we can say they are nearly the same,the difference could arise from study mistakes and complexities,not much can be concluded on 1 study.

Tbh mostly speculation I tried to find support for.

Would you agree with me that the ideal growth stack would be only HGH and peptides starting in childhood/early puberty? Ofc you have to do what’s possible at the stage you’re at, but ideally.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Yes this is unironically me, i have above average testosterone levels but very low estrogen, you feel very wierd, like my voice is more pitched, i have zero libido but can get a rock solid boner if i force it cause of good dht and t levels. Im super non aggressive, like i can barely feel anger for someone, this isn't to do with submission or being a bitch, but even if its a super scrawny nerd thats half a foot shorter then me i still would act timid with him cause i couldn't care less about domination and agression, like my brain sees no difference in being kind to giga muscular guys or nerdy types

 

[Deleted member 17791]

Ideal is low T and E.

 

[FreakkForLife]

Tbh mostly speculation I tried to find support for.

Would you agree with me that the ideal growth stack would be only HGH and peptides starting in childhood/early puberty? Ofc you have to do what’s possible at the stage you’re at, but ideally.

Yes,start from 11-13 and inject peptides,hgh and igf1.

Aromasin is if u have missed that opportunity and u turn 15.
Then take aromasin and take HGH and igf1 and after ur reached ur final height stop taking aromasin

 

[FreakkForLife]

Ideal is low T and E.
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[Deleted member 17791]

Ugh...

ideal man.

@Thompsonz

 

[FreakkForLife]

ideal man.

@Thompsonz

Ughh,a lesbian

 

[Koroshiya]

damn idk what to think now.

 

[Dystopian]

just have every hormone through the roof theory

 

[brucel]

@incel194012940 "Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels. Given these findings, it may be equally if not more important to investigate estradiol as testosterone in relation to diseases with racial disparity." I cant seem to find this in any of the studies you mentioned, which one could it be?

I don't think anyone is nuking thier e levels, its all about slowing down growth plates fusion nothing more nothing less, e levels will be in ranges were they cant fuse the bones or slow it down and to not "nuke" it. That being said one of the side effects of aromasin is more free testosterone/higher t.

You also mentioned high e is important to increasing male dimorphism. But none of the studies show being high in e causes higher male dimorphism?

One thing I'd like to mention is high e is important for brain development, which we wont get as much of ie not being as agreeable, that is what my research had shown.

 

[Baldingman1998]

Bump

 

[Deleted member 30843]

Ideal is low T and E.
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low T and high E is ideal.

 

[OldRooster]

just have every hormone through the roof theory

That is my strategy