high iq gymcells help me decide on split

[Arrlo]

i am a hardgainer. i hate eating food and struggled for years to get out of being severely underweight as eating anything makes me feel sick.

considering this, i am still able to eat enough with good effort and if it really becomes an issue i can just smoke weed when needed.

however i believe this does make it so that too much physical exertion affects my ability to put on weight quite heavily. for example if i spend some days doing a lot of activity and being pretty mobile - even if i get hungry and eat in proportion to that, i will still end up losing weight.

MY QUESTION:

is the difference in energy spent doing a mike mentzer style training program - working out less days in the week, shorter very intense sessions - really that substantial compared to a split that might be 5 or 6 days a week with a large selection of exercises and sets in each session.

i have the discipline to stick to any kind of split no matter how many days of the week, my decision will really be decided by whether the stimulous from a split with more volume will really outperform the saved energy of the lower volume split.

i am currently natural and it will stay that way until i make consistent good results in my training.

apologies if this formatting is hard to read, advice and discussion welcome.

 

[Arrlo]

fuck i wrote gymce"ll"s

embarassing

 

[ltngymcell7]

you should just choose a split where its 2x frequency a week and something u enjoy i would recommend around 1-2 sets per exercise, but just ask if you need any more info

 

[avgsub5human]

id assume they wouldnt differ too much if the other split has short but very intense form of training (energy part) some people prefer 6x a week some do 2-4x upper lower, it only really matters that you hit all muscles twice a week so choose which one u would stick to the best

 

[Arrlo]

you should just choose a split where its 2x frequency a week and something u enjoy i would recommend around 1-2 sets per exercise, but just ask if you need any more info

yeah i currently do 2 sets per exercise

for a while i was doing like 3 days a week and it did yield results but i just felt lazy and eating was an issue so recently switched to 6 days a week. might stick with it for a while as maybe it will help stimulate an appetite and i can just keep sets low to avoid unnecessary work.

 

[carvey]

Try to find foods you like and eat a lot I would suggest, splits aren’t gonna change your calorie spent (an 1 to 2 hour session would be around 200 calories) but even if a hundred calories is important for you, yeah training with low reps will help and you can do upper lower .You will need go less to the gym with same or similar stimuli

 

[6footislaw]

bro deadass

like just find one that u can stay consistent in, for me PPL was hella tiring and i got hella good gains doing

chest
arms
back
rest
repeat

legs are cope and u should only do it if its rlly skinny, girls like it athelitc anyway

this was so easy to do for me and i just stayed consistent

even tho its a bro split (but i repeat muscle group 2x a week)

2 sets of 6-8 reps is law for everything

and get cardio in 4 days a week

 

[User772772]

height and weight? and whats ur main goal

 

[Navity]

i am a hardgainer. i hate eating food and struggled for years to get out of being severely underweight as eating anything makes me feel sick.

considering this, i am still able to eat enough with good effort and if it really becomes an issue i can just smoke weed when needed.

however i believe this does make it so that too much physical exertion affects my ability to put on weight quite heavily. for example if i spend some days doing a lot of activity and being pretty mobile - even if i get hungry and eat in proportion to that, i will still end up losing weight.

MY QUESTION:

is the difference in energy spent doing a mike mentzer style training program - working out less days in the week, shorter very intense sessions - really that substantial compared to a split that might be 5 or 6 days a week with a large selection of exercises and sets in each session.

i have the discipline to stick to any kind of split no matter how many days of the week, my decision will really be decided by whether the stimulous from a split with more volume will really outperform the saved energy of the lower volume split.

i am currently natural and it will stay that way until i make consistent good results in my training.

apologies if this formatting is hard to read, advice and discussion welcome.

It's gymce"l" not cell

 

[dragomog]

do NOT train like mentzer fuck that

PPL split or Arnold split are the best, 12-20 sets a week per muscle group

 

[Arrlo]

bro deadass

like just find one that u can stay consistent in, for me PPL was hella tiring and i got hella good gains doing

chest
arms
back
rest
repeat

legs are cope and u should only do it if its rlly skinny, girls like it athelitc anyway

this was so easy to do for me and i just stayed consistent

even tho its a bro split (but i repeat muscle group 2x a week)

2 sets of 6-8 reps is law for everything

and get cardio in 4 days a week

thanks ill see about this

might have to get some more equipment too since my home equipment is a barbell, pullup bar and dip bars which makes an arm only day kind of silly with what i have.

also ill have to put legs into this as mine are too small - although i agree that gymbro legs look shit

 

[Arrlo]

height and weight? and whats ur main goal

176cm 61kg

im very lean


i want to get bigger is the current goal

 

[krieg]

FBEOD, or UL

 

[Arrlo]

It's gymce"l" not cell

you scrolled so fast past my first reply to the thread to comment this

 

[6footislaw]

thanks ill see about this

might have to get some more equipment too since my home equipment is a barbell, pullup bar and dip bars which makes an arm only day kind of silly with what i have.

also ill have to put legs into this as mine are too small - although i agree that gymbro legs look shit

alr, just buy a gym membership

and high volume is for roided ngas

as a natural ur excercises have to be hella fucking intense like by set 2 u cant lift that shit up type of stuff

although if u cant gain much or are having a hard time, just hop on test.

 

[Navity]

you scrolled so fast past my first reply to the thread to comment this

I didn't scroll, I just posted

 

[User772772]

176cm 61kg

im very lean


i want to get bigger is the current goal

Yeah a Mike mentzer style would benefit u more but only if you do it right, Also if u want to get big fast start eating everything

 

[LityLMF]

do NOT train like mentzer fuck that

PPL split or Arnold split are the best, 12-20 sets a week per muscle group

“Ppl and aronld are the best.”

 

[LityLMF]

If you want the best stimulous the answer would be fbeod, but personally i find U/L better just because it is more fun, i would recommend either a U/L or a Anterior/Posteior / Torso/Limbs

 

[dragomog]

“Ppl and aronld are the best.”

not about the split

those 2 are great

 

[Arrlo]

alr, just buy a gym membership

and high volume is for roided ngas

as a natural ur excercises have to be hella fucking intense like by set 2 u cant lift that shit up type of stuff

although if u cant gain much or are having a hard time, just hop on test.

yeah i have been focusing on intensity

i dont feel i have excessive volume currently, i only do 2 to 3 exercises per muscle group in a session for 2 sets each. and i never do 2 exercises that target the exact same thing, for example flat bench followed by flat dumbell press.

im gonna hop on when i am certain my training is yielding results or in my view thats just a waste of steroids

 

[LityLMF]

not about the split

those 2 are great

I agree its not about the split, but saying that arnold is the best is crazy, i actually like ppl, but arnold is pretty mid, there is no reason you should have a arms day

 

[dragomog]

I agree its not about the split, but saying that arnold is the best is crazy, i actually like ppl, but arnold is pretty mid, there is no reason you should have a arms day

for better arm pump and grow bruh

 

[6footislaw]

yeah i have been focusing on intensity

i dont feel i have excessive volume currently, i only do 2 to 3 exercises per muscle group in a session for 2 sets each. and i never do 2 exercises that target the exact same thing, for example flat bench followed by flat dumbell press.

im gonna hop on when i am certain my training is yielding results or in my view thats just a waste of steroids

sounds good


i didnt go to gym for 4 months but still have my gains somehow, m locking in soon tho

 

[LityLMF]

for better arm pump and grow bruh

As if pump correlates to hypertrophy lol, lets not forget the biceps and triceps are 2 of the more susceptible to muscle damage, you dont need a specific day to extend and flex your elbow

 

[User772772]

I agree its not about the split, but saying that arnold is the best is crazy, i actually like ppl, but arnold is pretty mid, there is no reason you should have a arms day

Arnold is not mid

 

[LityLMF]

Arnold is not mid

It is, its a ppl but worse, you dont need a day to extend/flex your elbows

 

[dragomog]

As if pump correlates to hypertrophy lol, lets not forget the biceps and triceps are 2 of the more susceptible to muscle damage, you dont need a specific day to extend and flex your elbow

ur not bigger then arnold and he did that split and grew bigger then you

 

[6footislaw]

As if pump correlates to hypertrophy lol, lets not forget the biceps and triceps are 2 of the more susceptible to muscle damage, you dont need a specific day to extend and flex your elbow

arnold split might be ass but hitting arms seperately is based

i get tired af after hitting back so i dont like hitting the biceps

same w chest

 

[Arrlo]

ur not bigger then arnold and he did that split and grew bigger then you

sorry to interrupt your guys' debate but this is a terrible argument

 

[LityLMF]

ur not bigger then arnold and he did that split and grew bigger then you

Are you being fr? I hope your reply is a joke and you dont actually think his split is one of the main factors

 

[dragomog]

sorry to interrupt your guys' debate but this is a terrible argument

ur 61kg bro

 

[combatingNorwooding]

do NOT train like mentzer fuck that

PPL split or Arnold split are the best, 12-20 sets a week per muscle group

bro deadass

like just find one that u can stay consistent in, for me PPL was hella tiring and i got hella good gains doing

chest
arms
back
rest
repeat

legs are cope and u should only do it if its rlly skinny, girls like it athelitc anyway

this was so easy to do for me and i just stayed consistent

even tho its a bro split (but i repeat muscle group 2x a week)

2 sets of 6-8 reps is law for everything

and get cardio in 4 days a week

alr, just buy a gym membership

and high volume is for roided ngas

as a natural ur excercises have to be hella fucking intense like by set 2 u cant lift that shit up type of stuff

although if u cant gain much or are having a hard time, just hop on test.

ur not bigger then arnold and he did that split and grew bigger then you

arnold split might be ass but hitting arms seperately is based

i get tired af after hitting back so i dont like hitting the biceps

same w chest

Yall can’t be real people

 

[Arrlo]

ur 61kg bro

there are a billion people bigger than me doing no gym

must be a better split than what im doing

 

[dragomog]

Yall can’t be real people
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all are good takes except for the guy that said 2 sets to failure is good

 

[krieg]

everyone in this thread must be trolling why are they saying Arnold and bro split to someone who is natural

 

[LityLMF]

everyone in this thread must be trolling why are they saying Arnold and bro split to someone who is natural

Also trying to understand lol

 

[jeffersonmogs54321]

Just do ppl bradar

 

[LityLMF]

all are good takes except for the guy that said 2 sets to failure is good

2 sets 3x a week is good

 

[LityLMF]

Yall can’t be real people
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[krieg]

Just do ppl bradar

Holy shit it’s 2026 why are we still advocating for ppl, Arnold, bro any of that bs the only splits you should be considering are UL, FBEOD, or any other variation of UL as a natural

 

[jeffersonmogs54321]

Holy shit it’s 2026 why are we still advocating for ppl, Arnold, bro any of that bs the only splits you should be considering are UL, FBEOD, or any other variation of UL as a natural

I do a combination of ppl and ul but im keeping it niche shit made me jacked asf

 

[combatingNorwooding]

2 sets 3x a week is good

it’s arbitrary but yeah

The guy meant that doing 2 sets to absolute failure is good, it’s NOT

 

[User772772]

It is, its a ppl but worse, you dont need a day to extend/flex your elbows

Yeah it isnt the best but its still not mid there are better splits

 

[combatingNorwooding]

Holy shit it’s 2026 why are we still advocating for ppl, Arnold, bro any of that bs the only splits you should be considering are UL, FBEOD, or any other variation of UL as a natural

PPL is fine. Arnold is exceptional

 

[LityLMF]

Yeah it isnt the best but its still not mid there are better splits

I would say it mid, arround a 5/10, better than bro split and others 1x frequency, but worse than ppl, u/l (and the variations), worse than fb etc

 

[LityLMF]

PPL is fine. Arnold is exceptional

Ppl is not that bas tbh, good split for begginers (still worse than fb and u/l)

 

[User772772]

it’s arbitrary but yeah

The guy meant that doing 2 sets to absolute failure is good, it’s NOT

2 sets to failure is the best

 

[combatingNorwooding]

Ppl is not that bas tbh, good split for begginers (still worse than fb and u/l)

It’s not worse…

Everyone enjoys different splits. as long as you train each muscle 2x per week you’re good. More than that could potentially be better mechanistically

FB and UL is peak but are not better than PPL

 

[combatingNorwooding]

2 sets to failure is the best

And why is that