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Lil low effort thread, hello!

PSL space has this weird habit where people will say “looks are measurable” with full confidence, then the second you ask how exactly, the whole thing turns into mentioning incel ratios and shit arguments with someone posting a gigachad morph with zero theory behind it "do you actually find that attractive".

The irony is that the core argument is actually not that hard. People just keep mixing up three different things: subjective judgment, statistical structure, and metaphysical objectivity.

Those are not the same thing.

If enough human beings share enough perceptual biases, then facial attractiveness becomes a population-level variable that can be modeled, approximated, and eventually scored. Lets look at it.

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Formulating the theory
Let x be a face.

Let ri(x) be the rating that person i gives that face (1-10 for example)

Then define the attractiveness score of that face in a target population P as:
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That means A(x) is just the expected rating of face x when sampled across a defined population.


.

You can also define a harsher version:

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So H(x) is the probability that a random person in the population rates the face at least 8 out of 10.
Now you suddenly have something that is crisp:
  • higher A(x) means higher average attractiveness
  • higher H(x) means more halo-level approval rate
That is already a one-dimensional ranking system.


"But faces are too complex bro, there are too many variables"


Yes. Obviously. That changes nothing.

A face can be represented as a vector of features:

x=(f1,f2,f3,f4,...,fn)
where these features include things like:
  • eye spacing ratio
  • canthal tilt
  • jaw width
  • gonial angle
Then attractiveness is simply some mapping from these variables to a scalar output:


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The system is high-dimensional at the input level and one-dimensional at the output level. That is not a contradiction. That is normal modeling. It is how prediction works in basically every serious field.

In a very simplified form, you might write:

1776621976885
(meaning each trait gets a weight)

In reality it is more like:

1776622015694


because traits interact. Good eye area plus weak lower third does not equal the same thing as good lower third plus weak eye area. Harmony matters. Compensation matters. Synergy matters.

So yes, attractiveness can absolutely be modeled as a nearly measurable scalar even if the underlying anatomy is massively multidimensional.

Have a beautiful day!

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dnred after 'incel ratios'
 
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Or just measure how many times you've had sex
 
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you might be making a mountain out of a molehill

mirin the effort though
 
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IMG 3189
 
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Mirin effort fr
 
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Lil low effort thread, hello!

PSL space has this weird habit where people will say “looks are measurable” with full confidence, then the second you ask how exactly, the whole thing turns into mentioning incel ratios and shit arguments with someone posting a gigachad morph with zero theory behind it "do you actually find that attractive".

The irony is that the core argument is actually not that hard. People just keep mixing up three different things: subjective judgment, statistical structure, and metaphysical objectivity.

Those are not the same thing.

If enough human beings share enough perceptual biases, then facial attractiveness becomes a population-level variable that can be modeled, approximated, and eventually scored. Lets look at it.

View attachment 4935824

Formulating the theory
Let x be a face.

Let ri(x) be the rating that person i gives that face (1-10 for example)

Then define the attractiveness score of that face in a target population P as:
View attachment 4935803


That means A(x) is just the expected rating of face x when sampled across a defined population.


.

You can also define a harsher version:

View attachment 4935812

So H(x) is the probability that a random person in the population rates the face at least 8 out of 10.
Now you suddenly have something that is crisp:
  • higher A(x) means higher average attractiveness
  • higher H(x) means more halo-level approval rate
That is already a one-dimensional ranking system.


"But faces are too complex bro, there are too many variables"


Yes. Obviously. That changes nothing.

A face can be represented as a vector of features:

x=(f1,f2,f3,f4,...,fn)
where these features include things like:
  • eye spacing ratio
  • canthal tilt
  • jaw width
  • gonial angle
Then attractiveness is simply some mapping from these variables to a scalar output:


View attachment 4935856

The system is high-dimensional at the input level and one-dimensional at the output level. That is not a contradiction. That is normal modeling. It is how prediction works in basically every serious field.

In a very simplified form, you might write:

View attachment 4935860 (meaning each trait gets a weight)

In reality it is more like:

View attachment 4935862

because traits interact. Good eye area plus weak lower third does not equal the same thing as good lower third plus weak eye area. Harmony matters. Compensation matters. Synergy matters.

So yes, attractiveness can absolutely be modeled as a nearly measurable scalar even if the underlying anatomy is massively multidimensional.

Have a beautiful day!

View attachment 4935870
how much is your iq ?
 
Everything you just said was pointless if you're not going to create the model lil bro
 
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incel ratios are a good approximation of a too complex system. Anyone who gives a rating based on ratios is flawed. The naked eye is more accurate on average.
 
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are you assuming the function is stable throughout?
 
Good shit sent messsage
 
If anything, it's stupid to model something that can't be applied. I'm also smart asf btw
Im not applying anything im basically debunking the claim that "beauty is subjective" and thus there cant be a looks scale argument.
 
Yeah no one ever said there couldn't be bro :ROFLMAO:
Rarely anybody can explain it. I noticed a lack of understanding and more so people just spewing what they have heard from their favourite looksmaxxing influencer.
 
Please read my thread thoroughly.
read it thoroughly and Im rock hard. Absolutley mirin your brain wow, i dont entirely understand how the effect of f (1) depends on f (2) ,f (3) etc
 
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PSL space has this weird habit where people will say “looks are measurable” with full confidence, then the second you ask how exactly, the whole thing turns into mentioning incel ratios and shit arguments with someone posting a gigachad morph with zero theory behind it "do you actually find that attractive".
theres literature on this you slob
 
read it thoroughly and Im rock hard. Absolutley mirin your brain wow, i dont entirely understand how the effect of f (1) depends on f (2) ,f (3) etc
Im saying if x is the face than the face can be represented as a function with multiple variables. f(1) would be chin lenght for example. f(2) eye spacing. A simple formula would just weight them, whereas a more percise and complex one would make them interact with one and another.
 
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theres literature on this you slob
Yes we can go deeper into the literature if you like. From what im seeing many people still cant mechanistically explain what they are preaching for the past years. Thats a real issue!
 
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Wait till you find out variables such as PHENOTYPE.
 
Im saying if x is the face than the face can be represented as a function with multiple variables. f(1) would be chin lenght for example. f(2) eye spacing. A simple formula would just weight them, whereas a more percise and complex one would make them interact with one and another.
hmm aight so a strong eye area + weak chin ≠ weak eye area + strong chin, when we're talking about harmony
 

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hmm aight so a strong eye area + weak chin ≠ weak eye area + strong chin, when we're talking about harmony
Exactly! Mirin understanding
 
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Lil low effort thread, hello!

PSL space has this weird habit where people will say “looks are measurable” with full confidence, then the second you ask how exactly, the whole thing turns into mentioning incel ratios and shit arguments with someone posting a gigachad morph with zero theory behind it "do you actually find that attractive".

The irony is that the core argument is actually not that hard. People just keep mixing up three different things: subjective judgment, statistical structure, and metaphysical objectivity.

Those are not the same thing.

If enough human beings share enough perceptual biases, then facial attractiveness becomes a population-level variable that can be modeled, approximated, and eventually scored. Lets look at it.

View attachment 4935824

Formulating the theory
Let x be a face.

Let ri(x) be the rating that person i gives that face (1-10 for example)

Then define the attractiveness score of that face in a target population P as:
View attachment 4935803


That means A(x) is just the expected rating of face x when sampled across a defined population.


.

You can also define a harsher version:

View attachment 4935812

So H(x) is the probability that a random person in the population rates the face at least 8 out of 10.
Now you suddenly have something that is crisp:
  • higher A(x) means higher average attractiveness
  • higher H(x) means more halo-level approval rate
That is already a one-dimensional ranking system.


"But faces are too complex bro, there are too many variables"


Yes. Obviously. That changes nothing.

A face can be represented as a vector of features:

x=(f1,f2,f3,f4,...,fn)
where these features include things like:
  • eye spacing ratio
  • canthal tilt
  • jaw width
  • gonial angle
Then attractiveness is simply some mapping from these variables to a scalar output:


View attachment 4935856

The system is high-dimensional at the input level and one-dimensional at the output level. That is not a contradiction. That is normal modeling. It is how prediction works in basically every serious field.

In a very simplified form, you might write:

View attachment 4935860 (meaning each trait gets a weight)

In reality it is more like:

View attachment 4935862

because traits interact. Good eye area plus weak lower third does not equal the same thing as good lower third plus weak eye area. Harmony matters. Compensation matters. Synergy matters.

So yes, attractiveness can absolutely be modeled as a nearly measurable scalar even if the underlying anatomy is massively multidimensional.

Have a beautiful day!

View attachment 4935870
While this formula is good, it is far too complex to actually be utilized by people. Nobody is going to whip this out and attempt to calculate someone's expected attractiveness or expected average rating the subject would be.

Though, despite the fact I think it won't get much use, the formula seems well thought out. It seems to just be a more categorized and mathematic-like formula for what people already do, which I'm sure could be of use to a certain degree in some situations. I'd be interested in a more in-depth post explaining the ins and outs of each input and it's meaning so then it can be more easily explain to other people and be easier to use. Or perhaps just a more simplified phrasing is necessary instead.

Good little thing I caught here is the fact you phrased the formula correctly. You said "probability" instead of "definite" or implying it was consistent throughout a population of people who'd rate someone's face. You allowed room by allowing for outliers such as one person preferring (this is an example) a higher ramus height or something that would be seen as "less attractive" to the majority. Good job on specifying this is just to calculate the most probable outcome and not the definite outcome is what I am trying to say.
 
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While this formula is good, it is far too complex to actually be utilized by people. Nobody is going to whip this out and attempt to calculate someone's expected attractiveness or expected average rating the subject would be.

Though, despite the fact I think it won't get much use, the formula seems well thought out. It seems to just be a more categorized and mathematic-like formula for what people already do, which I'm sure could be of use to a certain degree in some situations. I'd be interested in a more in-depth post explaining the ins and outs of each input and it's meaning so then it can be more easily explain to other people and be easier to use. Or perhaps just a more simplified phrasing is necessary instead.

Good little thing I caught here is the fact you phrased the formula correctly. You said "probability" instead of "definite" or implying it was consistent throughout a population of people who'd rate someone's face. You allowed room by allowing for outliers such as one person preferring (this is an example) a higher ramus height or something that would be seen as "less attractive" to the majority. Good job on specifying this is just to calculate the most probable outcome and not the definite outcome is what I am trying to say.
This was just a model on how faces are NOT entirely subjective and there is "objective" beauty in relation to a population. This wasnt to model attractiveness of an individual in any way. A true "looks harmony formula" will probably never exist.
 
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From what im seeing many people still cant mechanistically explain what they are preaching for the past years. Thats a real issue!
yes thats true and very annoying, people just spout random bullshit thinking they know it all.
 
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This was just a model on how faces are NOT subjective and there is objective beauty. This wasnt to model attractiveness in any way. A true "looks harmony formula" will probably never exist.
No I understand it wasn't made to accurately model attractiveness that is mostly the reason I was giving props. Phrasing is important. A lot of people here don't understand outliers exist but those outliers don't exactly change the fact that there is obviously a consistent preferable appearance. Wasn't exactly a criticism.
 
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No I understand it wasn't made to accurately model attractiveness that is mostly the reason I was giving props. Phrasing is important. A lot of people here don't understand outliers exist but those outliers don't exactly change the fact that there is obviously a consistent preferable appearance. Wasn't exactly a criticism.
Appreciate your constructive positive criticism on my thread. :p
 
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Rarely anybody can explain it. I noticed a lack of understanding and more so people just spewing what they have heard from their favourite looksmaxxing influencer.
Perhaps you are overcomplicating it or there's a flaw I'm not realizing in the following argument that to me seems obvious and is proof that looks are objective.

"If you can change certain features of a face, and more people find the changed person to be better looking, they are by definition more attractive. Since we can measure and quantify the difference before and after the change, we know exactly which traits and ratios will make someone better looking in the eyes of more people, and since this defines how attractive someone is, we know what is looks are objective.
 
This thread is not necessarily a show of IQ. Maybe it's mere knowledge

Good
i only asked because he had a picture of mensa in thread so i fugred why not ask him
 
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read it thoroughly and Im rock hard. Absolutley mirin your brain wow, i dont entirely understand how the effect of f (1) depends on f (2) ,f (3) etc
probably some sort of approximation of different ratios and how they are not mutually exclusive. as a general example for comprehension, the width of an eye is affected by the medial canthus, eyelash lengths, eyelid size etc. it demonstrates an interdependence between different variables for accuracy.
 
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Perhaps you are overcomplicating it or there's a flaw I'm not realizing in the following argument that to me seems obvious and is proof that looks are objective.

"If you can change certain features of a face, and more people find the changed person to be better looking, they are by definition more attractive. Since we can measure and quantify the difference before and after the change, we know exactly which traits and ratios will make someone better looking in the eyes of more people, and since this defines how attractive someone is, we know what is looks are objective.
Yeah i just used other forms of expression that are more concrete.
 
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Same here, these incel ratios come from papers that research the topic jfl

Not like looksmaxxers pulled it out their ass
 
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