High Iq Stack For 15 Y/o

[milkas]

Decent amount yeah.

Perhaps. Depends if you plan to have kids anytime soon or gonna do another blast.

Wanna be a Young dad, but i mean, I’ll probably hop on test and other stuff before i become a dad, but i mean, if i can get normal test levels again thanks to some $20 tamoxifen, why not yk

 

[milkas]

And should i keep my ,5mg Arimidex or should i up it even more?

 

[milkas]

Decent amount yeah.

Perhaps. Depends if you plan to have kids anytime soon or gonna do another blast.

And also, it would have to be ran in cycles due to being liver toxic, right?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

And should i keep my ,5mg Arimidex or should i up it even more?

Id switch for 2.5 letro. Up to you tho.

And also, it would have to be ran in cycles due to being liver toxic, right?

No. 25 var won't do anything to your liver.

 

[milkas]

Id switch for 2.5 letro. Up to you tho.

Alr, maybe

No. 25 var won't do anything to your liver

Really? And btw, would i need a hair protocol for it or nah. I’m too broke for Ru58114, so idk if i can order topical finasteride or sum or if oral would work without affecting the var som much

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Alr, maybe

Really? And btw, would i need a hair protocol for it or nah. I’m too broke for Ru58114, so idk if i can order topical finasteride or sum or if oral would work without affecting the var som much

You don’t. Var does not affect hairline anywhere close to enough for most people

 

[Niebvll]

yo someone who shares same opinion. why do you think gh is useless?

No FAH whatsoever shown in normal genetic healthy teens
Only special cases of healthy teens can get minimal (2-3cm) out of long term therapy

 

[Paul.jnxy]

No FAH whatsoever shown in normal genetic healthy teens
Only special cases of healthy teens can get minimal (2-3cm) out of long term therapy

Not worth it most of the time except pre pubertal or as an support for something lowering baseline IGF1 levels and production (something like tamoxifen)

 

[Niebvll]

Not worth it most of the time

As I said

 

[Paul.jnxy]

As I said

Long term therapy can lead to much more then 3-4 cms even though i have no real evidence (ropefuel)

 

[Niebvll]

Long term therapy can lead to much more then 3-4 cms even though i have no real evidence

No it cant for healthy teens
The only real study ive ever found on non-ISS non-GHD children was on healthy short children (NFSS?) which indicates poly or mongenetic causes that influence growth plate development the same way that would possibly lead to ISS, but to a lesser extent
Treatment was noted to be long term and implied to have been started prepubertal avg
Increase was 2.8cm for boys and 2.5cm for girls
Sadly no individual details are given

 

[milkas]

No FAH whatsoever shown in normal genetic healthy teens
Only special cases of healthy teens can get minimal (2-3cm) out of long term therapy

I agree with u, i mostly do it as just something for my muscles while im trying to find an alr cycle. Can have impact on face aswell

 

[foidrepeller271]

i wouldn’t recommend tren without bloodwork and 20mg is too low atleast 50-70mg for a lil visible changes

What would you look for in a blood work?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

No it cant for healthy teens
The only real study ive ever found on non-ISS non-GHD children was on healthy short children (NFSS?) which indicates poly or mongenetic causes that influence growth plate development the same way that would possibly lead to ISS, but to a lesser extent
Treatment was noted to be long term and implied to have been started prepubertal avg
Increase was 2.8cm for boys and 2.5cm for girls
Sadly no individual details are given

Interesting. I’d love to look at that study. Also I was referring to those Korean kids that get put on at 5 and end up 6 foot +

 

[milkas]

Var does not affect hairline anywhere close to enough for most people

would proviron affect it?

 

[Niebvll]

Interesting. I’d love to look at that study. Also I was referring to those Korean kids that get put on at 5 and end up 6 foot +

Link?
Im telling you theres 0 details in it lol
PMID8691923

 

[procencion//]

I’m 15 and was thinking about 25mg proviron a day, without a test base tho, but then i realized that i won’t build any muscle w it, so i was thinking this stack instead

20mg tren / weekly
Such low dose to avoid most side effects from the androgenic side while still having a relatively anabolic effect and build mass

80mg Test E / Weekly
Just a trt dose so I won’t feel like shit

25mg Proviron / daily
For dimorphism and facial masculinity

10-12 Ius of gh / daily
I’m already on 10 Ius, might up the dose soon, but yeah, yall know why I’m on it

0,5mg Anastrozole / daily
On it rn just to handle the raised e2 from the gh (dunno if it’s enough tho, Cant get bloodwork)

What I’m aiming for
Dimorphism
Lean mass
Height
Facial bones

Lmk what I should change

up the arimidex to 1 mg and up the test dose 80 mg is quite low

 

[milkas]

80 mg is quite low

its just for trt. Not tryna close my growth plates yet

 

[procencion//]

its just for trt. Not tryna close my growth plates yet

ik but that’s why i recommended a higher ai dose with that the risk is low also i would recommend endoxifen if you really wanna keep yourself away from plate closure

 

[milkas]

ik but that’s why i recommended a higher ai dose with that the risk is low also i would recommend endoxifen if you really wanna keep yourself away from plate closure

Local aromatization will still happen no matter how much i up my arimidex duh. higher test makes that even worse

 

[procencion//]

Local aromatization will still happen no matter how much i up my arimidex duh. higher test makes that even worse

that’s why i said to go on endoxifen but if your still worried just up the dose to like 100-150 and id say to go on test c for the slightly better half life

 

[milkas]

that’s why i said to go on endoxifen but if your still worried just up the dose to like 100-150 and id say to go on test c for the slightly better half life

alr alr, i will probably just do 25 var and 25 proviron atm, and when i dont have anything to risk with my gp, ill just blast

 

[procencion//]

yea just dyor

 

[cowmuncher26]

Remove the Test or lower it to 20mg

Also add Tamoxifen 20mg ed

 

[milkas]

Remove the Test or lower it to 20mg

Also add Tamoxifen 20mg ed

Yeah, ill just do Tamoxifen 20mg, var 25mg, proviron 25mg, arimidex 0.5mg and gh 10-12 ius

Would Proviron cause hairloss so i need a hair protocol?

 

[milkas]

Remove the Test or lower it to 20mg

Also add Tamoxifen 20mg ed

i shouldnt just use tamoxifen as pct then? Just all the time while im on var?

 

[Paul.jnxy]

would proviron affect it?

Depends how androgenic you are as an individual.

 

[Paul.jnxy]

that’s why i said to go on endoxifen but if your still worried just up the dose to like 100-150 and id say to go on test c for the slightly better half life

Endoxifen might be total bunk

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Link?
Im telling you theres 0 details in it lol
PMID8691923

Yea it’s probs not really true. My dad works with some koren high ups and that is what he said. Can’t give you any evidence tho so take with a grain of salt.

 

[procencion//]

Endoxifen might be total bunk

how

 

[Paul.jnxy]

how

We don’t know which of tamoxifens metabolites bind the estrogen receptor

 

[Kojo]

I’m 15 and was thinking about 25mg proviron a day, without a test base tho, but then i realized that i won’t build any muscle w it, so i was thinking this stack instead

20mg tren / weekly
Such low dose to avoid most side effects from the androgenic side while still having a relatively anabolic effect and build mass

80mg Test E / Weekly
Just a trt dose so I won’t feel like shit

25mg Proviron / daily
For dimorphism and facial masculinity

10-12 Ius of gh / daily
I’m already on 10 Ius, might up the dose soon, but yeah, yall know why I’m on it

0,5mg Anastrozole / daily
On it rn just to handle the raised e2 from the gh (dunno if it’s enough tho, Cant get bloodwork)

What I’m aiming for
Dimorphism
Lean mass
Height
Facial bones

Lmk what I should change

Gh doesnt raise E2
0.5 anastrozole is silly, you should be nuking it and using full dosages. You shouuld be using letrozole anyways

 

[Kojo]

We don’t know which of tamoxifens metabolites bind the estrogen receptor

Endoxifen does bind the er

 

[Kojo]

NOONONONONO you do NOT want to nuke your e2 bro

take less rather than more brah that level of estrogen won't immediately give u double d titties it'll just make u a bit puffy

Stop talking

 

[Kojo]

gh is useless for height

Stupid claim

 

[foidslayer5000]

Gh doesnt raise E2
0.5 anastrozole is silly, you should be nuking it and using full dosages. You shouuld be using letrozole anyways

nuked e2 is genuinely terrible and telling him to nuke it is terrible advice too bruh

 

[Kojo]

No FAH whatsoever shown in normal genetic healthy teens
Only special cases of healthy teens can get minimal (2-3cm) out of long term therapy

Idiopathically short people have been shown to gain 8cm onto their FAH in a dose dependent manner.

 

[Kojo]

nuked e2 is genuinely terrible and telling him to nuke it is terrible advice too bruh

no it isnt

 

[foidslayer5000]

no it isnt

nuh uh headass nigga

delete your account

 

[Kojo]

No FAH whatsoever shown in normal genetic healthy teens
Only special cases of healthy teens can get minimal (2-3cm) out of long term therapy

Idiopathically short people get 8cm onto fah

 

[Kojo]

nuh uh headass nigga

delete your account

?

Why would nuking e2 be bad? Gear is also bad, it doesn't mean the sides can't be managed, so can E2

E2 nuking barely has sides

 

[emogymmaxx]

delusional

 

[emogymmaxx]

?

Why would nuking e2 be bad? Gear is also bad, it doesn't mean the sides can't be managed, so can E2

E2 nuking barely has sides

retard
crashing e2 is terrible

 

[Kojo]

retard
crashing e2 is terrible

Sure, we can debate

Lay down your points with evidence

 

[cargo70]

I’m 15 and was thinking about 25mg proviron a day, without a test base tho, but then i realized that i won’t build any muscle w it, so i was thinking this stack instead

20mg tren / weekly
Such low dose to avoid most side effects from the androgenic side while still having a relatively anabolic effect and build mass

80mg Test E / Weekly
Just a trt dose so I won’t feel like shit

25mg Proviron / daily
For dimorphism and facial masculinity

10-12 Ius of gh / daily
I’m already on 10 Ius, might up the dose soon, but yeah, yall know why I’m on it

0,5mg Anastrozole / daily
On it rn just to handle the raised e2 from the gh (dunno if it’s enough tho, Cant get bloodwork)

What I’m aiming for
Dimorphism
Lean mass
Height
Facial bones

Lmk what I should change

80 Test E is a bit ridiculous; why not bump it up to 150?

 

[emogymmaxx]

Sure, we can debate

Lay down your points with evidence

you want me to lay down points on why crashing your e2 is bad?
okay
fucked joints
suicidal thoughts
acne
libiod is self driven and not a instinct
crazy brain fog
and more
what retarded gearcel would WANT a crashed e2, LOW e2 to the lowest point without sides is what your probably thinking about

 

[foidslayer5000]

you want me to lay down points on why crashing your e2 is bad?
okay
fucked joints
suicidal thoughts
acne
libiod is self driven and not a instinct
crazy brain fog
and more
what retarded gearcel would WANT a crashed e2, LOW e2 to the lowest point without sides is what your probably thinking about

and now he's quiet cause he's clearly posted 4k here without ever running a cycle or doing anything but ldar.

 

[emogymmaxx]

and now he's quiet cause he's clearly posted 4k here without ever running a cycle or doing anything but ldar.

happens everyday, feel bad for him as wherever hes getting knowledge is trying to rape his bloods

 

[Kojo]

you want me to lay down points on why crashing your e2 is bad?
okay
fucked joints
suicidal thoughts
acne
libiod is self driven and not a instinct
crazy brain fog
and more
what retarded gearcel would WANT a crashed e2, LOW e2 to the lowest point without sides is what your probably thinking about

Fucked joints can be mitigated with, there's a bunch of medications for joint issues
Suicidal thoughts is case dependent not a universal side effect, can still be mitigated with a bunch of mood regulators
Acne? Lol?
No one cares about Libido, this guy is a teenager that is growing. He should not be using his dick, he should focus on his height gain
No evidence of cognitive effects in aromatase inhibitor usage, here's a study targeting peripubertal boys on nuked e2 for their cognitive skills -- > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20421333/

 

[foidslayer5000]

happens everyday, feel bad for him as wherever hes getting knowledge is trying to rape his bloods

ngl it's not actually disgustingly bad for ur physical health it's just really unpleasant and easy to avoid by just not overdosing your ai. So why would you nuke your e2 willingly lol