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This is inspired by a back and forth I had with @streege in a @Blackout.xl thread about trad girls. It'll be long but high IQ but feel free to bump with dnr's. Some of this will be water, but I think this will lead to some good discussion.
1. The Role of Women
If you're on this website, it means you don't see women in the same light as they are portrayed in all aspects of media, entertainment, and education. Many of you think they are worthless, heartless whores. While it is easy, on the surface, to see them that way, I don't think that's actually true. As folks here know, women in general are not as conscious of what drives them and makes them do the things they do, and have a more animalistic nature.
They hear a crowd chanting about women's rights and their instinct is that in order to be safe, I need to go along with what the crowd says. They get the opportunity to have casual sex without consequences and they think if it's only sex, might as well only go for the most attractive man. The man they are dating only wants to have sex but not have kids and not get married, so they leave him hoping for someone who does. They marry a man who bows down to her every wish and acts like a pussy, so they might as well cheat or leave him if it means a paycheck.
The point is, the many misgivings we have with women are not because they are such terrible people. We think of them as such because we judge them from a male moral and logical standpoint. It's all we know so why wouldn't we think that way? We have all been taught that men and women are the same, so we assume they can be judged accordingly. Any blackpiller knows that this isn't true. The truth is, the entire genetic purpose for females is to give birth to, and raise lots of children, while the purpose of men is to do basically everything else that needs to be done.
2. Why Do Women Rebel Against This Role?
The simple truth is that we've all been lied to repeatedly for generations. Sure, societies have functioned for thousands of years with divided roles for men and women. But according to your teachers, movies, media, and often even priests, that was all just because of oppression of and hate for women. They insist that we'll be better off by empowering women to not get married, not have kids, and get crammed into a cubicle somewhere. Fast forward a decade or two of getting run through and they've gone infertile, gotten ugly, and lost virtually all of their value to anyone but their company. So that's where they will grow old, with nothing to show for their commitment but an audi, a drinking problem, and a bunch of memories of Chad they can't really remember.
We're propagandized to think that not only did they choose this path of their own accord, but that they couldn't be happier. But if she were married and had kids, she probably wouldn't be on psychiatrics, drinking every night, and crying herself to sleep. It's the path she chose, but did she really have any other option? Her whole life she was put on a pedestal and told she was inherently better than the boys around her. She was taught that her value was in her ability to succeed in school, and some day in a career. She listened to music and watched movies that glorified drinking, partying, and hoeing until she got old enough to try it for herself. And hey, if it's so much fun it can't be bad right? Once she finishes High School, she takes her student loans to go to the best college she can, because everyone she looks up to told her to do just that. Now she's 25, in college debt, working in a city, living in an apartment, and so empty from racking up a triple digit body count that she can't stop drinking and hooking up.
This is how women are raised in the west, and we expect them to be good, loyal, caring, and traditional. Every mind can be tricked, but I think most people here will agree that women are worse at discerning truth from lies than men are. So if they didn't raise themselves, what good is it to blame them? Their nature has been corrupted their entire lives, to make them what they are now.
3. Failed Fathers and Weak Men
The role of the woman is to be little more than a mother and a wife. Men have other roles: soldier, plumber, farmer, etc. but these are all roles within their core role of father and husband. They may have other jobs, but these are for the purpose of providing and making society better for their wife/wives and children. Just like women, men have been corrupted into straying from our natural roles. While they have Disney princesses and Sex and the City, we have Wolf of Wall Street and James Bond. We are convinced to chase power, sex, fame and fortune. The last thing you'll see in these movies or hear about in music is a good man who raises his family right and works an honest job.
Then when these men eventually become fathers, they prioritize work, and encourage their wife to keep working as well. The kids are sent off to school where the same nonsense can be fed to the next generation. Fathers have stopped prioritizing their kids to the point where they have whatever values the TV tells them to have. This is so widespread that I see people on this forum talk about how you'd rather abort your child than have a daughter, or how raising a daughter makes you a cuck. If you raise her like a moron, then yeah you'll end up a cuck. But if you raise her right, you could end up with ten grandchildren who will love you until the day you die.
Behind every girl in a sorority, at a bar, or on tinder, is a dad who failed to give her the guidance he was supposed to. And it doesn't help that every guy they meet at a bar, a party, or online has fallen for the lies too and just wants them for the night. Disney told her that Prince Chad would chase her to the ends of the earth to marry her, but real Chad just wants to get sucked off in the club bathroom. This generation of women suck, but it's because of their cuck fathers.
4. Age vs. Maturity(hear me out)
This is a crucial point to make for the sake of creating and sustaining a moral society. Before I explain, I'm obviously opposed to pedophilia and consider it to be one of the worst crimes someone can commit. It deserves a quick bullet to the head, and no less. A child(pre puberty) is not sexual in nature and will be damaged for life if they are sexualized too early. But once they've gone through puberty, it is time for them to get married.
Think of the cliche of the sexually repressed religious girl who becomes a whore in college. This happens not because the religion doesn't fit nature, but that the religion wasn't adhered to correctly. After puberty, girls become very sexual very quickly as the blackpill community knows. Once again, it's their nature. If you tell them to go through High School and college, surrounded by men, and to save their virginity for ten years or more after puberty, you're going to create a rebellious whore.
If you couldn't guess so far, I believe that premarital sex shouldn't be allowed in society. I think the only truly moral age of consent is marriage, and that the logical age of marriage is puberty. The woman's biological drives are satisfied, and she is given her proper role as wife to a somewhat older man who can provide for and guide her. Compare a modern liberal girl to the hypothetical girl I just described. At the age of 22 one has a 50-100 body count and the other has 5-10 kids.
This kind of household will raise the boys to be hardworking men whose role is to protect and provide. The women will grow up to find a good man and give him lots of kids. This system is the most natural, most moral, and most effective way to live. We are all attracted to so called jail baits for a reason. Low T if you aren't, and low IQ if you don't agree.
5. Polygamy Explained
Throughout human history, just like marriage of women under the age of 18, polygamy has been a reasonably common practice. Nowadays, both are demonized by all media and education. But so are incels, blackpillers, or really anyone opposing feminism. That in itself should tell you something. As a Christian, for a long time I have hoped to have a wife and many kids one day. I want to own a homestead, raise animals, and live off the land. I want to raise my kids to faith strong faith, work hard, and strive to raise families of their own. But that's a hard sell these days. I don't want to work my ass off to provide for some dumpster who will try to manipulate and control me, and will raise my kids badly.
Logically, the man should be the leader in marriage. Marriage has been corrupted into a contract, which gives women the opportunity to leach off of some poor bastard and be the indulgent princess Disney taught her to be. If a man marries a younger, traditional girl, then this likely won't be the case. They could live a good life and raise good kids, and many do. But the majority of women we will find expect to be made the equal or the superior in their marriage. Men don't want to get ruined by divorce, or deprived of sex, so they grit their teeth and let themselves be humiliated.
Why is polygamy moral? Well let's look at the people who claim it is immoral. Generally you'll find that the people shouting the loudest are feminists. They'll say that multiple women being provided for and treated well by the same man is oppressive, and then tell women that it is empowering to chemically sterilize herself and get a train run on her. These people are drowning in soy and extra chromosomes, and have no real argument. They've just been convinced it is bad by corporate interests that don't want strong, traditional families.
A great man with some money could provide for 5 young, traditional wives. They'll start having children when each wife is in her mid teens, so she'll be able to have tons of kids. For the sake of math, let's assume he and each of his sons get 5 wives, and they each have 5 sons and 5 daughters. If they are born when the mother is 15-25 years old we can average a new generation every 20 years. Our great man has 5 wives, and 10 kids by each, giving him 25 sons and 25 daughters. Each daughter finds a husband young, and has 10 more kids. Each son because they are strong, hardworking, and have traditional values(also face I guess), attracts 5 wives and has 10 kids with each. After 40 years our great man is in his 60s with, 25 fully grown sons, 25 fully grown daughters, and 1500 grandchildren.
25 daughters x 1 husband x 10 kids = 250 kids(125 men, 125 women). 25 sons x 5 wives x 10 kids = 1250 kids(625 sons, 625 daughters)
Now that math got out of hand real fast and actually took me by surprise, but it's reasonable if they own a family farm or other businesses, which with so many men is reasonable. Imagine having hundreds of brothers and sisters and cousins in a community. One man, because he set out to raise a great family, is basically the mayor of his own town, and the general of his own army. That is the power of polygamy, and that is why it is banned and demonized. Before you say they'd end up inbred and retarded, the only mormon family I ever met was extremely good looking and one of the sons was briefly in the NFL. Very nice people but mogged me brutally.
But why am I bringing this up in the context of the blackpill? Let me explain. As I said before, the system we currently live in is one where nearly all women are hoes, were once hoes, or wish they could be hoes. And the men are told that if we want to be with one, we make her our equal and indulge her desires. We are meant to provide for them, but not so they can buy new shoes or travel with her friends, but so that they can safely and comfortably birth and raise children. We've been taught that this is a state of oppression, but in reality having a huge, loving family is the most empowered a woman can be.
As crazy as some women are though, lots want to do whats right but have just been misled. Most of us here can agree that it feels like a cuck move to marry a modern woman in the current context. We know deep down that we'll either get scammed in a divorce, treated like shit, disrespected, etc. when we buy that expensive rock and tell her she's our everything. That is a concern I've had deep down for a while now, that my biggest dreams in life will be bashed because I picked the wrong girl. But if you view marriage not as a partnership, but as a deal where the man provides and essentially rules over the woman, and her duty is to have kids, things change. The redpill teaches us that having options, not being afraid to walk away, and not giving a woman power of us makes them more attracted and submissive to us. It's a re-framing of the negotiation. Instead of them being able to use sex to get what they want, you just have sex with your other wives until the first gives up. If they divorce you they're stuck with a bunch of kids and nothing when they could've had a good man to provide for them. Instead of spending time with other feminist female friends, they socialize with their sister wives, who pressure her to be a better wife, instead of the opposite. Polygamy makes women into more like what a wife is supposed to be.
Admittedly, this is no help at all if you're a truecel. But for the people that value traditionalism, faith, and family, this is something to think about. Few men would be willing to commit to providing for so many mouths so it's not like we'd run out of women. Most men want to beat off, scroll tinder, and play xbox. Chad's are too spoiled by quick sex and party life to have interest in family and kids. I believe that most women want kids, they just need a guy who'll step up. Yeah I guess cope til you get the first one or two, but it'd be easier after that if you can demonstrate that you're a good husband and father who wants more wives. If you're willing to lead, have values, and work hard, this could be a possibility. I believe you will be less likely to encounter common modern marital problems, and that you'll end up with a bigger and better family.
Hope you enjoyed. I'm bored and took a lot of modafinil this morning. So much that I hardly remember what I just wrote. Curious to hear what you guys think of this.
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1. The Role of Women
If you're on this website, it means you don't see women in the same light as they are portrayed in all aspects of media, entertainment, and education. Many of you think they are worthless, heartless whores. While it is easy, on the surface, to see them that way, I don't think that's actually true. As folks here know, women in general are not as conscious of what drives them and makes them do the things they do, and have a more animalistic nature.
They hear a crowd chanting about women's rights and their instinct is that in order to be safe, I need to go along with what the crowd says. They get the opportunity to have casual sex without consequences and they think if it's only sex, might as well only go for the most attractive man. The man they are dating only wants to have sex but not have kids and not get married, so they leave him hoping for someone who does. They marry a man who bows down to her every wish and acts like a pussy, so they might as well cheat or leave him if it means a paycheck.
The point is, the many misgivings we have with women are not because they are such terrible people. We think of them as such because we judge them from a male moral and logical standpoint. It's all we know so why wouldn't we think that way? We have all been taught that men and women are the same, so we assume they can be judged accordingly. Any blackpiller knows that this isn't true. The truth is, the entire genetic purpose for females is to give birth to, and raise lots of children, while the purpose of men is to do basically everything else that needs to be done.
2. Why Do Women Rebel Against This Role?
The simple truth is that we've all been lied to repeatedly for generations. Sure, societies have functioned for thousands of years with divided roles for men and women. But according to your teachers, movies, media, and often even priests, that was all just because of oppression of and hate for women. They insist that we'll be better off by empowering women to not get married, not have kids, and get crammed into a cubicle somewhere. Fast forward a decade or two of getting run through and they've gone infertile, gotten ugly, and lost virtually all of their value to anyone but their company. So that's where they will grow old, with nothing to show for their commitment but an audi, a drinking problem, and a bunch of memories of Chad they can't really remember.
We're propagandized to think that not only did they choose this path of their own accord, but that they couldn't be happier. But if she were married and had kids, she probably wouldn't be on psychiatrics, drinking every night, and crying herself to sleep. It's the path she chose, but did she really have any other option? Her whole life she was put on a pedestal and told she was inherently better than the boys around her. She was taught that her value was in her ability to succeed in school, and some day in a career. She listened to music and watched movies that glorified drinking, partying, and hoeing until she got old enough to try it for herself. And hey, if it's so much fun it can't be bad right? Once she finishes High School, she takes her student loans to go to the best college she can, because everyone she looks up to told her to do just that. Now she's 25, in college debt, working in a city, living in an apartment, and so empty from racking up a triple digit body count that she can't stop drinking and hooking up.
This is how women are raised in the west, and we expect them to be good, loyal, caring, and traditional. Every mind can be tricked, but I think most people here will agree that women are worse at discerning truth from lies than men are. So if they didn't raise themselves, what good is it to blame them? Their nature has been corrupted their entire lives, to make them what they are now.
3. Failed Fathers and Weak Men
The role of the woman is to be little more than a mother and a wife. Men have other roles: soldier, plumber, farmer, etc. but these are all roles within their core role of father and husband. They may have other jobs, but these are for the purpose of providing and making society better for their wife/wives and children. Just like women, men have been corrupted into straying from our natural roles. While they have Disney princesses and Sex and the City, we have Wolf of Wall Street and James Bond. We are convinced to chase power, sex, fame and fortune. The last thing you'll see in these movies or hear about in music is a good man who raises his family right and works an honest job.
Then when these men eventually become fathers, they prioritize work, and encourage their wife to keep working as well. The kids are sent off to school where the same nonsense can be fed to the next generation. Fathers have stopped prioritizing their kids to the point where they have whatever values the TV tells them to have. This is so widespread that I see people on this forum talk about how you'd rather abort your child than have a daughter, or how raising a daughter makes you a cuck. If you raise her like a moron, then yeah you'll end up a cuck. But if you raise her right, you could end up with ten grandchildren who will love you until the day you die.
Behind every girl in a sorority, at a bar, or on tinder, is a dad who failed to give her the guidance he was supposed to. And it doesn't help that every guy they meet at a bar, a party, or online has fallen for the lies too and just wants them for the night. Disney told her that Prince Chad would chase her to the ends of the earth to marry her, but real Chad just wants to get sucked off in the club bathroom. This generation of women suck, but it's because of their cuck fathers.
4. Age vs. Maturity(hear me out)
This is a crucial point to make for the sake of creating and sustaining a moral society. Before I explain, I'm obviously opposed to pedophilia and consider it to be one of the worst crimes someone can commit. It deserves a quick bullet to the head, and no less. A child(pre puberty) is not sexual in nature and will be damaged for life if they are sexualized too early. But once they've gone through puberty, it is time for them to get married.
Think of the cliche of the sexually repressed religious girl who becomes a whore in college. This happens not because the religion doesn't fit nature, but that the religion wasn't adhered to correctly. After puberty, girls become very sexual very quickly as the blackpill community knows. Once again, it's their nature. If you tell them to go through High School and college, surrounded by men, and to save their virginity for ten years or more after puberty, you're going to create a rebellious whore.
If you couldn't guess so far, I believe that premarital sex shouldn't be allowed in society. I think the only truly moral age of consent is marriage, and that the logical age of marriage is puberty. The woman's biological drives are satisfied, and she is given her proper role as wife to a somewhat older man who can provide for and guide her. Compare a modern liberal girl to the hypothetical girl I just described. At the age of 22 one has a 50-100 body count and the other has 5-10 kids.
This kind of household will raise the boys to be hardworking men whose role is to protect and provide. The women will grow up to find a good man and give him lots of kids. This system is the most natural, most moral, and most effective way to live. We are all attracted to so called jail baits for a reason. Low T if you aren't, and low IQ if you don't agree.
5. Polygamy Explained
Throughout human history, just like marriage of women under the age of 18, polygamy has been a reasonably common practice. Nowadays, both are demonized by all media and education. But so are incels, blackpillers, or really anyone opposing feminism. That in itself should tell you something. As a Christian, for a long time I have hoped to have a wife and many kids one day. I want to own a homestead, raise animals, and live off the land. I want to raise my kids to faith strong faith, work hard, and strive to raise families of their own. But that's a hard sell these days. I don't want to work my ass off to provide for some dumpster who will try to manipulate and control me, and will raise my kids badly.
Logically, the man should be the leader in marriage. Marriage has been corrupted into a contract, which gives women the opportunity to leach off of some poor bastard and be the indulgent princess Disney taught her to be. If a man marries a younger, traditional girl, then this likely won't be the case. They could live a good life and raise good kids, and many do. But the majority of women we will find expect to be made the equal or the superior in their marriage. Men don't want to get ruined by divorce, or deprived of sex, so they grit their teeth and let themselves be humiliated.
Why is polygamy moral? Well let's look at the people who claim it is immoral. Generally you'll find that the people shouting the loudest are feminists. They'll say that multiple women being provided for and treated well by the same man is oppressive, and then tell women that it is empowering to chemically sterilize herself and get a train run on her. These people are drowning in soy and extra chromosomes, and have no real argument. They've just been convinced it is bad by corporate interests that don't want strong, traditional families.
A great man with some money could provide for 5 young, traditional wives. They'll start having children when each wife is in her mid teens, so she'll be able to have tons of kids. For the sake of math, let's assume he and each of his sons get 5 wives, and they each have 5 sons and 5 daughters. If they are born when the mother is 15-25 years old we can average a new generation every 20 years. Our great man has 5 wives, and 10 kids by each, giving him 25 sons and 25 daughters. Each daughter finds a husband young, and has 10 more kids. Each son because they are strong, hardworking, and have traditional values(also face I guess), attracts 5 wives and has 10 kids with each. After 40 years our great man is in his 60s with, 25 fully grown sons, 25 fully grown daughters, and 1500 grandchildren.
25 daughters x 1 husband x 10 kids = 250 kids(125 men, 125 women). 25 sons x 5 wives x 10 kids = 1250 kids(625 sons, 625 daughters)
Now that math got out of hand real fast and actually took me by surprise, but it's reasonable if they own a family farm or other businesses, which with so many men is reasonable. Imagine having hundreds of brothers and sisters and cousins in a community. One man, because he set out to raise a great family, is basically the mayor of his own town, and the general of his own army. That is the power of polygamy, and that is why it is banned and demonized. Before you say they'd end up inbred and retarded, the only mormon family I ever met was extremely good looking and one of the sons was briefly in the NFL. Very nice people but mogged me brutally.
But why am I bringing this up in the context of the blackpill? Let me explain. As I said before, the system we currently live in is one where nearly all women are hoes, were once hoes, or wish they could be hoes. And the men are told that if we want to be with one, we make her our equal and indulge her desires. We are meant to provide for them, but not so they can buy new shoes or travel with her friends, but so that they can safely and comfortably birth and raise children. We've been taught that this is a state of oppression, but in reality having a huge, loving family is the most empowered a woman can be.
As crazy as some women are though, lots want to do whats right but have just been misled. Most of us here can agree that it feels like a cuck move to marry a modern woman in the current context. We know deep down that we'll either get scammed in a divorce, treated like shit, disrespected, etc. when we buy that expensive rock and tell her she's our everything. That is a concern I've had deep down for a while now, that my biggest dreams in life will be bashed because I picked the wrong girl. But if you view marriage not as a partnership, but as a deal where the man provides and essentially rules over the woman, and her duty is to have kids, things change. The redpill teaches us that having options, not being afraid to walk away, and not giving a woman power of us makes them more attracted and submissive to us. It's a re-framing of the negotiation. Instead of them being able to use sex to get what they want, you just have sex with your other wives until the first gives up. If they divorce you they're stuck with a bunch of kids and nothing when they could've had a good man to provide for them. Instead of spending time with other feminist female friends, they socialize with their sister wives, who pressure her to be a better wife, instead of the opposite. Polygamy makes women into more like what a wife is supposed to be.
Admittedly, this is no help at all if you're a truecel. But for the people that value traditionalism, faith, and family, this is something to think about. Few men would be willing to commit to providing for so many mouths so it's not like we'd run out of women. Most men want to beat off, scroll tinder, and play xbox. Chad's are too spoiled by quick sex and party life to have interest in family and kids. I believe that most women want kids, they just need a guy who'll step up. Yeah I guess cope til you get the first one or two, but it'd be easier after that if you can demonstrate that you're a good husband and father who wants more wives. If you're willing to lead, have values, and work hard, this could be a possibility. I believe you will be less likely to encounter common modern marital problems, and that you'll end up with a bigger and better family.
Hope you enjoyed. I'm bored and took a lot of modafinil this morning. So much that I hardly remember what I just wrote. Curious to hear what you guys think of this.
@Chadelite @Dante1 @BigBiceps @stuckneworleans @GetThatBread @forwardgrowth @LordNorwood @Dogs @Magnesium @hebbewem get it started
