Hinduism is closer to Islam than Christianity

[Gengar]

You’re 26

I lol’d

 

[LegitUser]

never ever compare me to mussies again please

 

[Stranger to myself]

How is God manifesting Himself in symbolic forms Polytheism. Give us a good theological argument.

Argue with vedic stuff not puranic shit blud, your not gonna get anything across with abrahamics at this rate

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Argue with vedic stuff not puranic shit blud, your not gonna get anything across with abrahamics at this rate

Vayu is the presence of God.(you "feel" God when you worship Him) Because Wind is something that you can perceive through the sense of touch. God "rubbing against you" when you connect to Him through worship like the Wind does.

Mitra and Varuna are paired together because God observes you following Him, His sacred laws. Mitra = God as the giver of Laws and Varuna = the Omniscience of God.

Soma juice is us "pouring out" our hearts to God through worship. God is the Controller of All hence He answers our prayers through His Omnipotence. That's why Indra/the Omnipotence of God drinks vast quantities of Soma.

Soma is also the mind. Because every prayer stems from thought. Soma is Chandra because the Moon symbolizes the mind or contemplation of God.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

@2025cel

 

[Stranger to myself]

explain

Vayu is the presence of God.(you "feel" God when you worship Him) Because Wind is something that you can perceive through the sense of touch. God "rubbing against you" when you connect to Him through worship like the Wind does.

Mitra and Varuna are paired together because God observes you following Him, His sacred laws. Mitra = God as the giver of Laws and Varuna = the Omniscience of God.

Soma juice is us "pouring out" our hearts to God through worship. God is the Controller of All hence He answers our prayers through His Omnipotence. That's why Indra/the Omnipotence of God drinks vast quantities of Soma.

Soma is also the mind. Because every prayer stems from thought. Soma is Chandra because the Moon symbolizes the mind or contemplation of God.

I understand your point because I am hindu myself, I only asked you to give the vedic perspective so abrahamics wont see us as illiterate pagans

 

[Raja Porus]

Did you even read my post you short attention spanned faggot? The different Gods of Hinduism are just symbolic representations of the One God.

Like Lord Ganesha is an elephant because elephants are large and create large openings in forests as they move and his vehicle/mount is a mouse. And mice burrow through tunnels symbolizing moving through openings. Lord Ganesha therefore is the Opener/Remover of Obstacles. And he has a weapon as an axe because axes hack things creating openings.

Completely compatible with Islam bro

 

[nullandvoid]

I never said Pakistanis are inferior?

I want a Muslim to give me good arguments that God cannot assume forms and how it's theologically illogical.

Let's take the example of the question "can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?"

Atheists attempt to use this question to prove that the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. But the problem here is a contradiction in terms. This issue becomes even more clear when we examine a related question: "Can God create an uncreated being?" The problem here is that the questioner has already defined the being to be uncreated and then proceeds to ask for something that contradicts that definition. The problem is in the questioner's terms, not any lack in God's potential. The same is true when asking God to make a circle with four sides. Having already provided a definition of a circle that could never include a four-sided figure, such a question is absurd. Something is certainly self-contradictory here, but it is the questioner's terminology and not the omnipotence of God.

The same is true when we come to the case of create a stone which cannot be lifted. Aside from the problem that we are placing an infinite unrestricted being under the finite restricted laws of our universe, the concept of the stone is self-contradictory. Basically, such a stone could not exist because it is conceptually incoherent. When one asks if God could create such a stone, one would normally identify the properties of such a stone. But here we haven't been given absolute properties, but instead we've been given properties of the stone relative to God's properties. The questioner has identified the potential stone as something so big that God couldn't lift, so even though we already know that there is nothing God cannot lift, they have used that as an attribute for the stone. Automatically, the concept of such a stone is nullified. Now, when they ask could God create such a stone, the answer is no, but that doesn't imply a lack of potential on the part of God. Instead, it reflects the fact that the concept of such a stone is illogical, unreal, inadmissible. It is very similar to asking if God can die. Well, death isn't an ability, its the inability to live. The immortal cannot die because that defies His attribute of immortality. Similarly, the omnipotent cannot create a task that He can't complete because such a task is merely a figment of one's imagination and could not exist.

You're basically asking, if God can do anything, can He make it impossible for himself to do something? The question is illogical and self-contradictory because the argument contradicts the premise. Once you have already established that God can do anything, then that's a set attribute and part of His nature. Therefore, He can do anything that is consistent with His nature, anything that is absolute.

Can God make 1=2? Well if 1=2, then it wouldn't be 1! So the idea is self-contradictory, not God.

The question also reminds me of the idea of what happens when an immovable rock meets an unstoppable force? The two things cannot exist in the same universe. Likewise, if God exists then all things which contradict His attributes are imaginary, non-existant and impossible. They are forever bound to the realm of imagination and cannot be brought into existence.

Shaykh Ibn Abil-'Izz (d. 1389CE) also answered this question in Sharhul Aqeedah Tahawiyyah (p.137), in his discussion of the following verse:

And Allah, over each thing, is omnipotent; all-powerful [al-Baqarah 2:284]

This includes all that is possible. As for what is in intrinsically impossible - such as there being a thing that exists and does not exist at one and the same time - then, this has no reality, nor is its existence conceivable, nor is it termed 'a thing' by agreement of those with intelligence. Included in this category is: [Allah] creating the likes of Himself, making Himself non-existent, and other impossibilites.

This also serves as a reply to the question posed by some: 'Can Allah create a stone that He is unable to lift?' The argument being that if Allah cannot create such a stone, He is not all-powerful; but if He can, then likewise He is not all-powerful. The fallacy of this argument lies in the fact that such an affair is, in itself, impossible and exists only in the minds of certain people. And not all that the mind conjures-up has an existence that is possible, nor is it always termed 'a thing.'

Hopefully that makes the issue clear.

 

[160cmcurry]

 

[nullandvoid]

Let's take the example of the question "can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?"

Atheists attempt to use this question to prove that the concept of omnipotence is self-contradictory. But the problem here is a contradiction in terms. This issue becomes even more clear when we examine a related question: "Can God create an uncreated being?" The problem here is that the questioner has already defined the being to be uncreated and then proceeds to ask for something that contradicts that definition. The problem is in the questioner's terms, not any lack in God's potential. The same is true when asking God to make a circle with four sides. Having already provided a definition of a circle that could never include a four-sided figure, such a question is absurd. Something is certainly self-contradictory here, but it is the questioner's terminology and not the omnipotence of God.

The same is true when we come to the case of create a stone which cannot be lifted. Aside from the problem that we are placing an infinite unrestricted being under the finite restricted laws of our universe, the concept of the stone is self-contradictory. Basically, such a stone could not exist because it is conceptually incoherent. When one asks if God could create such a stone, one would normally identify the properties of such a stone. But here we haven't been given absolute properties, but instead we've been given properties of the stone relative to God's properties. The questioner has identified the potential stone as something so big that God couldn't lift, so even though we already know that there is nothing God cannot lift, they have used that as an attribute for the stone. Automatically, the concept of such a stone is nullified. Now, when they ask could God create such a stone, the answer is no, but that doesn't imply a lack of potential on the part of God. Instead, it reflects the fact that the concept of such a stone is illogical, unreal, inadmissible. It is very similar to asking if God can die. Well, death isn't an ability, its the inability to live. The immortal cannot die because that defies His attribute of immortality. Similarly, the omnipotent cannot create a task that He can't complete because such a task is merely a figment of one's imagination and could not exist.

You're basically asking, if God can do anything, can He make it impossible for himself to do something? The question is illogical and self-contradictory because the argument contradicts the premise. Once you have already established that God can do anything, then that's a set attribute and part of His nature. Therefore, He can do anything that is consistent with His nature, anything that is absolute.

Can God make 1=2? Well if 1=2, then it wouldn't be 1! So the idea is self-contradictory, not God.

The question also reminds me of the idea of what happens when an immovable rock meets an unstoppable force? The two things cannot exist in the same universe. Likewise, if God exists then all things which contradict His attributes are imaginary, non-existant and impossible. They are forever bound to the realm of imagination and cannot be brought into existence.

Shaykh Ibn Abil-'Izz (d. 1389CE) also answered this question in Sharhul Aqeedah Tahawiyyah (p.137), in his discussion of the following verse:

And Allah, over each thing, is omnipotent; all-powerful [al-Baqarah 2:284]

This includes all that is possible. As for what is in intrinsically impossible - such as there being a thing that exists and does not exist at one and the same time - then, this has no reality, nor is its existence conceivable, nor is it termed 'a thing' by agreement of those with intelligence. Included in this category is: [Allah] creating the likes of Himself, making Himself non-existent, and other impossibilites.

This also serves as a reply to the question posed by some: 'Can Allah create a stone that He is unable to lift?' The argument being that if Allah cannot create such a stone, He is not all-powerful; but if He can, then likewise He is not all-powerful. The fallacy of this argument lies in the fact that such an affair is, in itself, impossible and exists only in the minds of certain people. And not all that the mind conjures-up has an existence that is possible, nor is it always termed 'a thing.'

Hopefully that makes the issue clear.

@GuyFromSingapore

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

@GuyFromSingapore

Will answer it tomorrow.

 

[nullandvoid]

Will answer it tomorrow.

Inshallah, jazakallah khair.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Even though both Christians and us Hindus believe that God can incarnate.

But Christians believe in a Triune God (which is sheer Polytheism). They belittle God as weak and powerless by saying that He died on a cross which is completely unacceptable to us Hindus.

Us Hindus reject that the Gospels are revelations from Almighty Allah/Ishvara/God. As well as the Quran.

We do not believe that Muhammad was a legitimate Prophet of Allah/Ishvara.

But we both Muslims and Hindus believe that God has many attributes.

Al-Wahhab = Lakshmi (The Giver)
Al-Fattah = Ganesha (The Opener/Remover of Obstacles)
Al-Khaliq = Brahma (The Creator)
Ar-Razzaq = Vishnu (The Sustainer)
Al-Waliy = Skanda (The Protector)

Muslim niggas here should study Hinduism/Vedanta.

Further reading on concepts of God in Hinduism:

Ishvara - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Brahman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Paramatman - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

NAH FUK DAT

 

[nullandvoid]

NAH FUK DAT

Be respectful akhi.

 

[nullandvoid]

Will answer it tomorrow.

You gonna respond? or..

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

You gonna respond? or..

God cannot create something so heavy for Him that He cannot lift it.

The ability to Create/Brahma, anything He wills and desires to do, shows His Omnipotence/Shakti/Durga.

Nothing is ever heavy to God because God never "strains" Himself. God simply Sustains/Vishnu, the Universe effortlessly.

God cannot Create "something heavy" for Him because God, knows the weight of an object but it's weight does not affect Him.

God is responsible for the nature and attributes of every insentient, material object in this universe.

How can something, fully responsible for it's own Creation, be affected by it? That's what makes God, God.

Every object is owing to Him. Therefore how can He be subjected to and powerless to it?

The relationship between God, the Infinite, and His creatures, the finite, is irrevocable.

The act of Creating an object is that of Omnipotence, the object existing, is Him Sustaining it/Vishnu, is also owing to His Omnipotence.

God is fully Sovereign and Independent. The nature of His own Creation, does not change Him or affect Him because He is completely responsible for them.

Infinity/God includes everything within it ("under it's control").

We are all completely powerless before God in every way. Everything we experience throughout our entire existence and at every second of our existence is owing exclusively to God.

Can God create anything = Omnipotence

"So heavy that it cannot..." = weakness

What you propose is a paradox. God is able to do anything except being a finite, mortal creature i.e. ceasing to be Himself, finding "something so heavy He cannot lift".

"Something so heavy" implies inability and impossibility to act.

We find things as either light or heavy because God makes them be so to us.

Can the Infinite and Eternal change? If God changes then He would cease to be Himself, He would transform.

If God creates something(the act of Creation is Him being fully responsible for that object), how can He be subjected to His own creation ("an object so heavy that..."), the reason why He can create that object in that first place shows His Omnipotence.

The existence of an object in the first place implies it's powerlessness and being subjected to the will of what brought forth it into existence.

Can the Unlimited become limited to the limited when in the first place, the relationship of the limited to the Unlimited is being completely under It's control?

Can God create something so heavy that He cannot lift it = Can God be Omnipotent that He can become impotent?

This is a logical absurdity. It's like saying can God subject Himself to His own Self? Can God create "a heavy object", "so heavy", "that He cannot lift it"?

This is tantamount to saying can God who is responsible for the attributes and qualities of the nature of His own creation become subject to His own creation.

God is fully responsible(Omnipotence) for an object that He created. He cannot become affected by it. If He does that would deny and contradict the definition of Omnipotence.

God is never subject to His creation. His creation is subject to Him.

X = X, God is Himself

Y =/= X, creation is not God

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Inshallah, jazakallah khair.

Akhi, when you say Insha-Allah, you must remember Allah had already planned everything from the beginning.

Infact saying "Allah has already", "Allah will" is nonsense. Because Allah is simultaneously outside/Transcendent and inside/Immanent of creation. From our perspective, He seems to move the world/Vishnu the Sustainer. But from His perspective He is all at once Brahman/Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva.

It is never contingent. The chain of cause and effect has already been determined by Allah, He just unravels/spins the wheel of cause and effect by making us experience it progressively, from our mortal and finite perspective that is subject to Time.

Past-Present-Future are all within Allah's Omniscience simultaneously. Allah sees the complete picture.

Allah does need one object of His creation to be a certain way in order to make it interact with another object a certain way.

Allah can make anything happen because everything is owing to Him.

You are here now because of Allah, before that everything was the way it was because of Allah.

This is Islam. This is submission.

Islam is already happening because are all the slaves of Allah completely powerless to Him. When we worship Allah we just "feel" Allah with our heart and souls.

The body and mind is constantly subject to Allah...

 

[nullandvoid]

God cannot create something so heavy for Him that He cannot lift it.

The ability to Create/Brahma, anything He wills and desires to do, shows His Omnipotence/Shakti/Durga.

Nothing is ever heavy to God because God never "strains" Himself. God simply Sustains/Vishnu, the Universe effortlessly.

God cannot Create "something heavy" for Him because God, knows the weight of an object but it's weight does not affect Him.

God is responsible for the nature and attributes of every insentient, material object in this universe.

How can something, fully responsible for it's own Creation, be affected by it? That's what makes God, God.

Every object is owing to Him. Therefore how can He be subjected to and powerless to it?

The relationship between God, the Infinite, and His creatures, the finite, is irrevocable.

The act of Creating an object is that of Omnipotence, the object existing, is Him Sustaining it/Vishnu, is also owing to His Omnipotence.

God is fully Sovereign and Independent. The nature of His own Creation, does not change Him or affect Him because He is completely responsible for them.

Infinity/God includes everything within it ("under it's control").

We are all completely powerless before God in every way. Everything we experience throughout our entire existence and at every second of our existence is owing exclusively to God.

Can God create anything = Omnipotence

"So heavy that it cannot..." = weakness

What you propose is a paradox. God is able to do anything except being a finite, mortal creature i.e. ceasing to be Himself, finding "something so heavy He cannot lift".

"Something so heavy" implies inability and impossibility to act.

We find things as either light or heavy because God makes them be so to us.

Can the Infinite and Eternal change? If God changes then He would cease to be Himself, He would transform.

If God creates something(the act of Creation is Him being fully responsible for that object), how can He be subjected to His own creation ("an object so heavy that..."), the reason why He can create that object in that first place shows His Omnipotence.

The existence of an object in the first place implies it's powerlessness and being subjected to the will of what brought forth it into existence.

Can the Unlimited become limited to the limited when in the first place, the relationship of the limited to the Unlimited is being completely under It's control?

Can God create something so heavy that He cannot lift it = Can God be Omnipotent that He can become impotent?

This is a logical absurdity. It's like saying can God subject Himself to His own Self? Can God create "a heavy object", "so heavy", "that He cannot lift it"?

This is tantamount to saying can God who is responsible for the attributes and qualities of the nature of His own creation become subject to His own creation.

God is fully responsible(Omnipotence) for an object that He created. He cannot become affected by it. If He does that would deny and contradict the definition of Omnipotence.

God is never subject to His creation. His creation is subject to Him.

X = X, God is Himself

Y =/= X, creation is not God

You just repeated most of what I said

 

[nullandvoid]

Akhi, when you say Insha-Allah, you must remember Allah had already planned everything from the beginning.

Infact saying "Allah has already", "Allah will" is nonsense. Because Allah is simultaneously outside/Transcendent and inside/Immanent of creation. From our perspective, He seems to move the world/Vishnu the Sustainer. But from His perspective He is all at once Brahman/Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva.

It is never contingent. The chain of cause and effect has already been determined by Allah, He just unravels/spins the wheel of cause and effect by making us experience it progressively, from our mortal and finite perspective that is subject to Time.

Past-Present-Future are all within Allah's Omniscience simultaneously. Allah sees the complete picture.

Allah does need one object of His creation to be a certain way in order to make it interact with another object a certain way.

Allah can make anything happen because everything is owing to Him.

You are here now because of Allah, before that everything was the way it was because of Allah.

This is Islam. This is submission.

Islam is already happening because are all the slaves of Allah completely powerless to Him. When we worship Allah we just "feel" Allah with our heart and souls.

The body and mind is constantly subject to Allah...

Yes, Allah has full knowledge of everything (past, present, and future), and He has ordained all things. However, this does not mean that human actions are meaningless or that saying Insha-Allah (if Allah wills) is unnecessary.


The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) taught us to say Insha-Allah because, while Allah's decree is absolute, we do not know it in advance. Allah has given humans limited free will within His decree. Saying Insha-Allah expresses our submission to His will while acknowledging our responsibility to act.
Qur’an 18:23-24
"And never say of anything, ‘Indeed, I will do that tomorrow,’ except [when adding], ‘If Allah wills (Insha-Allah).’"

Islam teaches that Allah is transcendent (Al-‘Aliyy, The Most High) and not part of creation. The idea that Allah is "inside" creation (immanent) in the way Hindu philosophy describes Brahman contradicts Tawheed (Islamic monotheism).

Qur’an 42:11
"There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing."

The belief that we are “completely powerless” contradicts Islam’s teaching on responsibility and accountability. While everything happens by Allah’s will, He has granted humans a will within His creation.

Qur’an 13:11
"Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves."

Islam is not just about a passive “feeling” of Allah. Worship includes specific actions (ibadah), such as prayer, fasting, charity, and obedience to Allah’s commands.

Qur’an 51:56
"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Yes, Allah has full knowledge of everything (past, present, and future), and He has ordained all things. However, this does not mean that human actions are meaningless or that saying Insha-Allah (if Allah wills) is unnecessary.


The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) taught us to say Insha-Allah because, while Allah's decree is absolute, we do not know it in advance. Allah has given humans limited free will within His decree. Saying Insha-Allah expresses our submission to His will while acknowledging our responsibility to act.
Qur’an 18:23-24
"And never say of anything, ‘Indeed, I will do that tomorrow,’ except [when adding], ‘If Allah wills (Insha-Allah).’"

Islam teaches that Allah is transcendent (Al-‘Aliyy, The Most High) and not part of creation. The idea that Allah is "inside" creation (immanent) in the way Hindu philosophy describes Brahman contradicts Tawheed (Islamic monotheism).

Qur’an 42:11
"There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing."

The belief that we are “completely powerless” contradicts Islam’s teaching on responsibility and accountability. While everything happens by Allah’s will, He has granted humans a will within His creation.

Qur’an 13:11
"Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves."

Islam is not just about a passive “feeling” of Allah. Worship includes specific actions (ibadah), such as prayer, fasting, charity, and obedience to Allah’s commands.

Qur’an 51:56
"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."

My "belief" is that our free will comes from our core being aka soul/atman. When we are able to do what we want, it is God allowing us to make it happen while us simultaneously wanting it to happen.

That is what is also hinted in the Durga Purana.

This is why you Muslims also say "Victory comes from Allah alone". Which means it is Allah by His Power/Shakti/Durga.

The intent maybe owing to our own free will. But our ability to act is Allah enabling us to act.

If Allah/Brahma created us, and we come into this world solely by Him, having no say or choice, we are complete slaves of Allah, completely subjected to His Will/Agni.

It's not like Allah creates and then He "switches off" and let's things run on their own.

So throughout our existence we are just cog in the machine of Allah's will and power.

When I say "feeling" I mean the realization of Allah/Ishvara being the Supreme Being under whose control we are at all times and then submitting to Him by struggling to connect to Him and feeling His presence/Vayu through closeness to Him.

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Yes, Allah has full knowledge of everything (past, present, and future), and He has ordained all things. However, this does not mean that human actions are meaningless or that saying Insha-Allah (if Allah wills) is unnecessary.


The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) taught us to say Insha-Allah because, while Allah's decree is absolute, we do not know it in advance. Allah has given humans limited free will within His decree. Saying Insha-Allah expresses our submission to His will while acknowledging our responsibility to act.
Qur’an 18:23-24
"And never say of anything, ‘Indeed, I will do that tomorrow,’ except [when adding], ‘If Allah wills (Insha-Allah).’"

Islam teaches that Allah is transcendent (Al-‘Aliyy, The Most High) and not part of creation. The idea that Allah is "inside" creation (immanent) in the way Hindu philosophy describes Brahman contradicts Tawheed (Islamic monotheism).

Qur’an 42:11
"There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing."

The belief that we are “completely powerless” contradicts Islam’s teaching on responsibility and accountability. While everything happens by Allah’s will, He has granted humans a will within His creation.

Qur’an 13:11
"Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves."

Islam is not just about a passive “feeling” of Allah. Worship includes specific actions (ibadah), such as prayer, fasting, charity, and obedience to Allah’s commands.

Qur’an 51:56
"And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me."

The Immanence of Allah is His Power/Shakti. When He answers our prayers we can observe that He is interacting with us. That's what I mean.

I don't mean that the material Universe/Prakriti is Allah Himself.

 

[superpsycho]

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Oh yeah I love this song.

 

[superpsycho]

Oh yeah I love this song.

same its a banger

 

[nullandvoid]

My "belief" is that our free will comes from our core being aka soul/atman. When we are able to do what we want, it is God allowing us to make it happen while us simultaneously wanting it to happen.

That is what is also hinted in the Durga Purana.

This is why you Muslims also say "Victory comes from Allah alone". Which means it is Allah by His Power/Shakti/Durga.

The intent maybe owing to our own free will. But our ability to act is Allah enabling us to act.

If Allah/Brahma created us, and we come into this world solely by Him, having no say or choice, we are complete slaves of Allah, completely subjected to His Will/Agni.

It's not like Allah creates and then He "switches off" and let's things run on their own.

So throughout our existence we are just cog in the machine of Allah's will and power.

When I say "feeling" I mean the realization of Allah/Ishvara being the Supreme Being under whose control we are at all times and then submitting to Him by struggling to connect to Him and feeling His presence/Vayu through closeness to Him.

we are granted free will, and while Allah's will is absolute, we are responsible for our actions. Saying inshallah is a sign of humility and recognition of our limited understanding, and the core of Islamic monotheism (Tawheed) rejects any attempt to equate Allah with creation or limit His power in ways that are logically incoherent.