How can you still believe in god whilst being aware of brutal blackpills?

[ifyouwannabemylover]

tbh

 

[Redemption]

Just LARPers. Especially the cringe Muslim forum jokes

 

[Deleted member 14693]

This is one of the most important questions in theology, why does god allow suffering?

And no, this shit didn't came up with the blackpill, there are way worse issues adressed with this question.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

This is one of the most important questions in theology, why does god allow suffering?

And no, this shit didn't came up with the blackpill, there are way worse issues adressed with this question.

but blackpill is suffering directly from god. war, slavery, etc. are all human doings and you could argue that "the devil made them do it" and shit like that. but when you're born 5 foot with a microdick then you have to believe that that's what god intended for you.

 

[Deleted member 19442]

How does blackpill conflict with the existence of a god? Are you going with the 9001x answered dead horse of muh suffering or something more interesting?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

How does blackpill conflict with the existence of a god? Are you going with the 9001x answered dead horse of muh suffering or something more interesting?

but blackpill is suffering directly from god. war, slavery, etc. are all of human doings and you could argue that "the devil made them do it" and shit like that. but when you're born 5 foot with a microdick then you have to believe that that's what god intended for you.

 

[Deleted member 19442]

Dead topic tbh. Islam states life is a test, one of the Prophet’s salallahu wa alayhi wa salaam companions suffered from being short and ‘unattractive’ but was a great mujahideen and was rewarded with many wives in the akhirah. Life is based on whethe you manage to serve your creator properly, if you live to enjoy the earthly life only then you’re a loser regardless. A trucel on deen has won over effectively all the forum chads in the end. So our creator is just.

That’s what my religion states. If you aren’t talking about religion then even more lame tbh. Forgetting religion, if god was hypothetically evil astaghfirullah what would being an atheist do? This god won’t stop existing just because you stopped believing in them. You’ll still be tormented jfl. Your lack of belief won’t do anything, you’re better of worshipping them in hope of mercy. And by the concept that life is a test and Allah’s subhana wa ta’ala plan is beyond our understanding our creator is just so you should just become a Muslim and repent tbh.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Dead topic tbh. Islam states life is a test, one of the Prophet’s salallahu wa alayhi wa salaam companions suffered from being short and ‘unattractive’ but was a great mujahideen and was rewarded with many wives in the akhirah. Life is based on whethe you manage to serve your creator properly, if you live to enjoy the earthly life only then you’re a loser regardless. A trucel on deen has won over effectively all the forum chads in the end. So our creator is just.

That’s what my religion states. If you aren’t talking about religion then even more lame tbh. Forgetting religion, if god was hypothetically evil astaghfirullah what would being an atheist do? This god won’t stop existing just because you stopped believing in them. You’ll still be tormented jfl

so just for the record, you believe that god created 5 foot bald curries with microdicks as a test?

also, if god is all powerful then why'd he need to test anyone to begin with? if you fail the test then he made you fail

 

[Deleted member 21688]

God creates what he wills and no one can question him, but you will be questioned.

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Christianity answers this by saying that God isn't here to do YOUR bidding

Jfl, imagine saying "God, this other guy is Chad and I am not. Therefore you don't exist!"

I mean fuck, way better arguments you could use but instead you go the childlike tantrum direction.

The entire book of Job is about a guy who got fucked over by life repeatedly and maintained the faith. Religion =/= life will be easy nor does any religion promise that.

14 yr old tier premise

 

[Deleted member 19442]

so just for the record, you believe that god created 5 foot bald curries with microdicks as a test?

Yes and the prophets all went through immense trials and tortures even worse than subhuman inceldom too. Yet they served their creator in the end.

I’m balding trucel too and know that this is a test that I’m probably failing atm but Allah subhana wa ta’ala knows best.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

but blackpill is suffering directly from god. war, slavery, etc. are all of human doings and you could argue that "the devil made them do it" and shit like that. but when you're born 5 foot with a microdick then you have to believe that that's what god intended for you.

Diseases aren't man made and people suffered from them for centuries.

The question why god does this was asked back then to.

So either god wants to erase bad in the world, but can't,
but that would mean that god is weak, what he isn't

Or god could erase bad, but doesn't want to,
that would mean he is resentful, which he isn't

Or god can't erase bad and also doesn't want to,
that also isn't god

So that means god can erase bad, and wants to,
but we see that it isn't erased

 

[Deleted member 23778]

If anything, from a Christian standpoint the blackpill should teach you to not be a Stacy worshipping cuck who just needs to ascend for his life's problems to be solved. Rather understanding that life isn't about your personal fulfillment and that the pleasures of this world can never satisfy.

Logic like this never ceases to amaze me. Guys want to live degenerate lifestyles full of orgies and hedonism (which most religions decry) and then when this doesn't happen for them they say it must be because if God existed, surely the perfect outcome they wanted would have come to pass. When in reality, the premise is flawed from the beginning: you're not God just because you want to live like one

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

the blackpill should teach you to not be a Stacy worshipping cuck who just needs to ascend for his life's problems to be solved. Rather understanding that life isn't about your personal fulfillment and that the pleasures of this world can never satisfy.

sounds like a cope

 

[Deleted member 21688]

Christianity answers this by saying that God isn't here to do YOUR bidding

Jfl, imagine saying "God, this other guy is Chad and I am not. Therefore you don't exist!"

I mean fuck, way better arguments you could use but instead you go the childlike tantrum direction.

The entire book of Job is about a guy who got fucked over by life repeatedly and maintained the faith. Religion =/= life will be easy nor does any religion promise that.

14 yr old tier premise

Chad isn't getting all the women of this world, chad will die one day, chad will rot in the grave, chad will become and old man, chad can die anytime, chad can get any disease.

Incels fooled themselves by standardising chad and stacies. Sex isn't everything.

Looks theory won't work on the day of Judgement, but what everything you did throughout your life of good and evil.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Yes and the prophets all went through immense trials and tortures even worse than subhuman inceldom too. Yet they served their creator in the end.

I’m balding trucel too and know that this is a test that I’m probably failing atm but Allah subhana wa ta’ala knows best.

What bullshit. There is no free will so you can't choose if you act accourding to god.

Also if god is allmighty, he would already know who has good intent at heart, there would be no need for a "test".

 

[Deleted member 19442]

so just for the record, you believe that god created 5 foot bald curries with microdicks as a test?

also, if god is all powerful then why'd he need to test anyone to begin with? if you fail the test then he made you fail

That’s where free will comes into play. You’re capable of making choices, LDARing your way to hell is easier but if you keep pushing yourself and working hard to stay on the right path you may pass the test but Allah azza wa jal is All-Merciful and All-Knowing.

 

[Deleted member 23778]

Chad isn't getting all the women of this world, chad will die one day, chad will rot in the grave, chad will become and old man, chad can die anytime, chad can get any disease.

Incels fooled themselves by standardising chad and stacies. Sex isn't everything.

Looks theory won't work on the day of Judgement, but what everything you did throughout your life of good and evil.

Great points overall

 

[hebbewem]

Diseases aren't man made and people suffered from them for centuries.

The question why god does this was asked back then to.

So either god wants to erase bad in the world, but can't,
but that would mean that god is weak, what he isn't

Or god could erase bad, but doesn't want to,
that would mean he is resentful, which he isn't

Or god can't erase bad and also doesn't want to,
that also isn't god

So that means god can erase bad, and wants to,
but we see that it isn't erased

You are just saying you are a nerd

 

[Deleted member 14693]

You are just saying you are a nerd

How?

 

[Deleted member 21688]

Yes and the prophets all went through immense trials and tortures even worse than subhuman inceldom too. Yet they served their creator in the end.

I’m balding trucel too and know that this is a test that I’m probably failing atm but Allah subhana wa ta’ala knows best.

Hey bro, I hope you find a way out of it. Have patience.

 

[hebbewem]

How?

Because the way you wrote it.

 

[Deleted member 23778]

sounds like a cope

Doesn't really change the fact that arguing from "things didn't go my way" isn't really anything to do with God existing

 

[Redemption]

Muslimcels will always have some reason why their pathetic existence has meaning. Muh Chad will be judged

They lost the genetic dice roll so now they need to accept this or go ER

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Because the way you wrote it.

I literally copied it you utter retard jfl

 

[hebbewem]

I literally copied it you utter retard jfl

Damn i thought you were smart

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Damn i thought you were smart

I am.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Doesn't really change the fact that arguing from "things didn't go my way" isn't really anything to do with God existing

like i asked above, why does god feel the need to test anybody by putting them through nothing but suffering when he's the one who created you in the first place? that's like me creating a shitty character in a video game and then making him jump off a cliff for being shitty

realizing that god willingly puts some people through nothing but suffering while others are blessed is a very valid reason to question his existence imo

 

[Deleted member 21688]

Muslimcels will always have some reason why their pathetic existence has meaning. Muh Chad will be judged

They lost the genetic dice roll so now they need to accept this or go ER

We always had a reason for our meaningful existence, and not only chad will be judged but all are coming to their Creator, altogether.

Genetic dice roll isn't a thing. No matter how beautiful we are, earth will swallow us and rodents will eat us. Going ER isn't a thing, instead feeding the needy, praying, spending time with the family is purposeful. May God guide you.

 

[hebbewem]

I am.

What would the religious argument be against your point

 

[Deleted member 14693]

What would the religious argument be against your point

There are several arguments

 

[Deleted member 23778]

realizing that god willingly puts some people through nothing but suffering while others are blessed is a very valid reason to question his existence imo.

I don't really understand this. Lots of other valid reasons to question God existing but the "I wouldn't do things that way" isn't very logical.

 

[Amnesia]

Ur starting under the false premise that God is fair or some BS according to your standards. God does what he wants cause it pleases Him. Not you.

 

[hebbewem]

There are several arguments

True thats was dumb question from me

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Ur starting under the false premise that God is fair or some BS according to your standards.

Cause literally all important monotheistic religions claim that.

So its logical to argue like that too.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

I don't really understand this. Lots of other valid reasons to question God existing but the "I wouldn't do things that way" isn't very logical.

why does god need to test people by having them suffer though?

muslims, christians and jews all believe that your fate after death is decided by the choices you make in life. but at the same time, the choices you make are all based on the cards that you were dealt by god at birth (ie truecel shoots up a place), if not entirely predetermined.

1. god creates truecel
2. truecel suffers
3. truecel goes er
4. truecel goes to hell

how does that make sense?

 

[Amnesia]

Cause literally all important monotheistic religions claim that.

So its logical to argue like that too.

where does Christianity argue that god is fair?

 

[Eduardo DOV]

but blackpill is suffering directly from god. war, slavery, etc. are all human doings and you could argue that "the devil made them do it" and shit like that. but when you're born 5 foot with a microdick then you have to believe that that's what god intended for you.

ever heard of a thing calling diseases? some people are even born with brutal diseases.
jfl at thinking that being ugly is the greatest inherent suffering in the world.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

where does Christianity argue that god is fair?

if god isn't fair to begin with then you can just disregard religion altogether because then it doesn't matter what you do

 

[Deleted member 19442]

What bullshit. There is no free will so you can't choose if you act accourding to god.

Also if god is allmighty, he would already know who has good intent at heart, there would be no need for a "test".

Free will exists and suffering is relative

This world is the place of trials and tribulations - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Intent is another part of the test, if you lived for other people and to look like a good Muslim you’re as good as a kafir.

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) say:


“The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognise them. [The Allah Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hellfire.”

why does god need to test people by having them suffer though?

muslims, christians and jews all believe that your fate after death is decided by the choices you make in life. but at the same time, the choices you make are all based on the cards that you were dealt by god at birth (ie truecel shoots up a place), if not entirely predetermined.

1. god creates truecel
2. truecel suffers
3. truecel goes er
4. truecel goes to hell

how does that make sense?

1. god creates chad
2. chad enjoys his life and slays endlessly
3. forgets about god
4. goes to hell

You can choose to resist temptation regardless, chads are tempted with indulgence while trucels are tempted with ER and other degenerate copes. The test is based on the cards dealt.

If you’re given an easy life will you indulge and forget about Allah subhana wa ta’ala? Also some people remember their creator when suffering compared to vice versa. We all think differently and are tested accordingly. Someone who flourishes in hardship may be tested with an easy life where they forget their purpose. Whereas trucels are tested with a hard life

On this forum we have muslimcels like me who indulge in copes and muslim slayers who forget about their religion. Both of us are doing poorly in their respective tests. You get my point?

It makes sense because the cards don’t matter and your specific situation doesn’t matter. It’s all relative etc. What matters is that you remember to serve Allah. Everything is a test so everything is basically the same.

Choices we make are based on free will, you can endure or indulge yourself it’s up to you

Cause literally all important monotheistic religions claim that.

So its logical to argue like that too.

Yeah it’s kind of semantics issue, we know what OP means but he should’ve just went with ‘blackpill proves that god isn’t just’ because his question atm starts off with a false premise.

 

[Eduardo DOV]

suffering is only individual, it makes no difference if there are 15165465 people suffering or just 10 or 1. Suffering is individual.

 

[Mewstor95]

more to life than sex

 

[Eduardo DOV]

if god isn't fair to begin with then you can just disregard religion altogether because then it doesn't matter what you do

given that life is eternal, life on earth would be a tiny fraction, despite being crucial for the rest of your life

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Free will exists and suffering is relative

This world is the place of trials and tribulations - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Intent is another part of the test, if you lived for other people and to look like a good Muslim you’re as good as a kafir.

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) say:


“The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognise them. [The Allah Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hellfire.”

I literally couldn't become a genuine muslim, no matter what.

My brain chemistry doesn't allow it, so I have no free will in this case.

And if you believe in cause and effect free will doesn't exist. Our thoughts are just electrons in our brain.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

given that life is eternal, life on earth would be a tiny fraction, despite being crucial for the rest of your life

Free will exists and suffering is relative

This world is the place of trials and tribulations - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Intent is another part of the test, if you lived for other people and to look like a good Muslim you’re as good as a kafir.

On the authority of Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) say:


“The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah will make known to him His favours and he will recognise them. [The Allah Almighty] will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied – you did but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was said. Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast into Hellfire.”


1. god creates chad
2. chad enjoys his life and slays endlessly
3. forgets about god
4. goes to hell

You can choose to resist temptation regardless, chads are tempted with indulgence while trucels are tempted with ER and other degenerate copes. The test is based on the cards dealt.

If you’re given an easy life will you indulge and forget about Allah subhana wa ta’ala? Also some people remember their creator when suffering compared to vice versa. We all think differently and are tested accordingly. Someone who flourishes in hardship may be tested with an easy life where they forget their purpose. Whereas trucels are tested with a hard life

On this forum we have muslimcels like me who indulge in copes and muslim slayers who forget about their religion. Both of us are doing poorly in their respective tests. You get my point?

It makes sense because the cards don’t matter and your specific situation doesn’t matter. It’s all relative etc. What matters is that you remember to serve Allah. Everything is a test so everything is basically the same.

Choices we make are based on free will, you can endure or indulge yourself it’s up to you

Yeah it’s kind of semantics issue, we know what OP means but he should’ve just went with ‘blackpill proves that god isn’t just’ because his question atm starts off with a false premise.

but by giving people free will, god still accepts that some people will just suffer and then go to hell because he knew that a lot of people wouldn't live up to his standards in life. actually, free will in the context of god is a contradiction in itself.

I literally couldn't become a genuine muslim, no matter what.

My brain chemistry doesn't allow it, so I have no free will in this case.

And if you believe in cause and effect free will doesn't exist. Our thoughts are just electrons in our brain.

exactly this lol

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

• take ten people and give all of them free will
• 5 people pass the test and go to heaven
• 5 people go to hell because they made the wrong choices with their free will that was given by god

did they really have free will then? that's basically an algorithm that sends some people to hell and others to heaven and it still implies that some people never had a chance to begin with

the conclusion is that god either does not exist or is evil and unjust if he does

@Pikabro
@Ja-Ja Gabori
@Amnesia

 

[Deleted member 19442]

I literally couldn't become a genuine muslim, no matter what.

My brain chemistry doesn't allow it, so I have no free will in this case.

And if you believe in cause and effect free will doesn't exist. Our thoughts are just electrons in our brain.

but by giving people free will, god still accepts that some people will just suffer and then go to hell because he knew that a lot of people wouldn't live up to his standards in life. actually, free will in the context of god is a contradiction in itself.


exactly this lol

Some people will fail the test and be punished yes. That’s just. Getting a free pass isn’t

Neuroscience is not a 100% representative model of how our brain functions. Of course it’s effective to an extent tho. But a SHATTERING discovery comes through and suddenly this discipline gets redone from the ground up. Cause and effect is just a model too

You can say free will doesn’t exist based off that model but that model isn’t how our brain actually works only our creator knows this. Therefore we can’t TRULY prove that free will doesn’t exist.

• take ten people and give all of them free will
• 5 people pass the test and go to heaven
• 5 people go to hell because they made the wrong choices with their free will that was given by god

did they really have free will then? that's basically an algorithm that sends some people to hell and others to heaven and it still implies that some people never had a chance to begin with

@Pikabro
@Ja-Ja Gabori
@Amnesia

Elaborate in depth. If you are capable of doing so you’re better off asking a giga high IQ student of knowledge instead of a psl rotter tbh. Maybe the other two can tackle this

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Elaborate in depth.

I don't know what else to tell you

the concept of giving humanity free will implies that some people would fail and go to hell, meaning that 1. god puts a certain percentage of humanity through eternal suffering for reasons unknown or 2. god doesn't exist

it's either one or the other

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

You can say free will doesn’t exist based off that model but that model isn’t how our brain actually works only our creator knows this. Therefore we can’t TRULY prove that free will doesn’t exist.

see you're hitting a wall here

 

[Deleted member 19442]

I don't know what else to tell you

the concept of giving humanity free will implies that some people would fail and go to hell, meaning that 1. god puts a certain percentage of humanity through eternal suffering for reasons unknown or 2. god doesn't exist

it's either one or the other

Reasons unknown yes it’s not something humans can really understand or know. A quality of God in Islam is being beyond comprehension as a being. Putting isn’t the right way to explain it in fact there isn’t one. The answer is we can’t fully understand what our creator’s plan is period.

see you're hitting a wall here

how

Anyhow with these debates we’ll inevitably hit a wall because we’re basically trying to make sense of something incomprehensible on top of using human logic to explain God’s actions. Plus I’m a layman too, you’re probably better off going to a high IQ scholar