Stretching out soft tissue i think.
does this naturally happen during the surgery or surgeon needs to adjust them ?
Downturned and narrow lips are often the result of poor bone structure which can’t hold the soft tissue. So he might got something for that too, maybe some implants.
he didnt get implants, this surgery was done by Raffaini, he doesnt do implants.
Where does raffaini operate?
Parma, Italy
I need bimax too, because of recessed jaws. I might get the surgery for free here in the Netherlands if I test positive on sleep apnea. But I’m concerned the surgeon is only focused on medical purposes and not aesthetics wise.
Im getting bimax aswell, but i have trouble finding the ortho willing to decompensate the teeth for the surgery, most of them are completely lost and dont even understand what is a jaw surgery, the ones who are got queues of 4 months. So adjusting the teeth gonna
Hopefully i don’t have to do orthodontic stuff before my jaw surgery. Would take too much time. Getting the surgery alone would take a lot of time. Shit is brutal. All this pain and effort for a normal jaw, life is hell. But hopefully worth it at the end.
it wont take much time if u getting surgery first, maybe like 5-6 months unless your surgeon has high queues.
Are you going to get your surgery done in your own country?
Not sure, depending on queue times, there is only one surgeon in my country so the queues are very high. But he is pretty good, seen the results also trained by Gunson.
Alright good luck with your surgery procedure.
For sleep apnea you‘ll get 1cm advancement. There are aesthetical surgeons everywhere
1 cm is nothing….
Ccw rotation widens lips? Just curious where did you hear this?
That's heaps, you have to be majorly recessedto get 1cm of bsso. Plus you can get genio on top
1cm is allot, you probably just don‘t know anything about surgery
I didn't say that. What I said is that a well-done bimax, in addition to the osteotomy of both jaws with a CCW rotation of the occlusion, involves a more holistic approach that brings a range of additional benefits, including, as I highlighted in my previous message, lip support.
??? The notable change is that they no longer point downwards.
Yeah you’re right. I thought you were saying 1mm lol.
My surgeon decides whetever he wanna do functional surgery or aesthetical surgery. Functional being fixing sleep apnea by giving you more space to breath (advancing mandible), or just fixing malocclusion without changing the face too much.
I’m getting tested for sleep apnea. If i test positive my insurance will cover the costs. But i don’t want the surgery for medical purposes only. I want aesthetics results. So yeah i will definitely tell him.
Go in Italy
I live in the Netherlands. Can’t pay the surgery in Italy.
don’t you are the richest in Europe?
No I live here
I heard pagoni is good
Raffaini/Pagnoni/Ramieri all of them are good
Giga based high iq user. I wouldn’t waste my time though, there is a constant influx of low iq surgery cells that thinks money will solve all their problems.
i agree but do you mind elaborating on what exactly you mean by poor bone structure? I think it’s a matter of the chin not being long enough or tall enough, palate not being wide enough, upper lip/teeth being too far forward in front of lower lip/teeth
what causes the increased support for the lips?
i’m very curious what causes downward lips and what exactly contributed to the fix of this issue in the OP?
Repositioning the jawbones can change the tension and support structures around the mouth area, leading to a more supported and potentially aesthetically pleasing lip position.
This term isn't commonly used in medical literature. In facial aesthetic procedures, improving this area could involve reshaping the structures near the nose to create a more harmonious and balanced facial appearance. This can include modifying the cheeks, filling in nasolabial folds, or lifting the mid-facial areas.
Sharper definition of the mandibular edge can result from both anterior (towards the chin) and posterior (towards the back) modifications. Orthognathic surgery and genioplasty can reshape the jaw and chin, enhancing the jawline's contour and definition.
Downward-facing lips can result from various causes, including the position of the jaws, the tension of soft tissues, and the facial muscle structure. In orthognathic surgery, correcting these lips can come from realigning the jaws and advancing the chin, which can change the tension and support of the soft tissues, leading to a more balanced and symmetrical appearance of the lips.
is it from horizontal advancement of the chin or vertical? i think it may be both
Yeah, the effect on the lips can result from both horizontal and vertical advancement of the chin. Horizontal advancement reduces tension on the muscles that pull the lips down, while vertical enhancement might stretch and thereby lessen the strength of the depressor muscles, leading to less downward-turning lips
