How do I learn to talk to girls if Im ND? Am I cooked?

[iblamemandible7]

Every time Ive talked to them they were disgusted and acted cold toward me like I was a creep or just straight up ignored me/treated me like a joke all because I was subhuman, lets say I hardmaxx and get to mtn (which is a huge step up for me), how will I learn to talk to girls then after a lifetime of rejection and hate for being who I am? I think Im permanently fucked in the head from 17 years of being subhuman and scared Ill never change mentally


Im still stuck as a 13 year old when it comes to girls and even other people in general im stunted because of shitty genetics and brutal parents and its so so over

 

[iblamemandible7]

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[ExMisanthropy]

dm me

 

[iblamemandible7]

The closest I ever got to true NT was when I was addicted to carts but I got CHS and had to quit fuck it I deadass might just become a bartard on purpose so I can be more ignorant is that the move?

 

[iblamemandible7]

b

 

[iblamemandible7]

I genuinely need help bro ts ts this is ruining my life and all I can find is bluepill cope

 

[iblamemandible7]

Should I js js rope jfl

 

[Ashikai]

this might interest you, read the fear extinction section

 

[milchbubi88]

sounds weird but "just" talk with more people and also girls in general

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

this might interest you, read the fear extinction section

^this


op get on this meds asap https://looksmax.org/threads/nardil-lyrica-and-vorinostat-is-the-social-god-mode-stack.494568/

 

[Evgeniy291]

^this


op get on this meds asap https://looksmax.org/threads/nardil-lyrica-and-vorinostat-is-the-social-god-mode-stack.494568/

What r other 2 for?

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

What r other 2 for?

nardil (aka phenelzine) is the golden standard for social anxiety

vorinostat is an hdac inhibitor =
enhances neuroplasticity facilitates learning and adaptation to social situations.
increases BDNF levels – supports synaptic growth and resilience against stress.
reduces amygdala overactivity – helps regulate fear responses.
improves fear extinction – accelerates the unlearning of social anxiety triggers.
potentially boosts therapy effectiveness – may enhance the impact of CBT and exposure therapy.

(copied from gpt cuz i cant explain it well)

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

nardil (aka phenelzine) is the golden standard for social anxiety

vorinostat is an hdac inhibitor =
enhances neuroplasticity facilitates learning and adaptation to social situations.
increases BDNF levels – supports synaptic growth and resilience against stress.
reduces amygdala overactivity – helps regulate fear responses.
improves fear extinction – accelerates the unlearning of social anxiety triggers.
potentially boosts therapy effectiveness – may enhance the impact of CBT and exposure therapy.

(copied from gpt cuz i cant explain it well)

i will get on moclobemide and vorinostat + lyrica occasionally

nardil is almost impossible to get prescribed by doctors in europe (very sad man)

 

[Evgeniy291]

nardil (aka phenelzine) is the golden standard for social anxiety

vorinostat is an hdac inhibitor =
enhances neuroplasticity facilitates learning and adaptation to social situations.
increases BDNF levels – supports synaptic growth and resilience against stress.
reduces amygdala overactivity – helps regulate fear responses.
improves fear extinction – accelerates the unlearning of social anxiety triggers.
potentially boosts therapy effectiveness – may enhance the impact of CBT and exposure therapy.

(copied from gpt cuz i cant explain it well)

Worth to get? Or not much diff from Baclofen and pregab?

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

Worth to get? Or not much diff from Baclofen and pregab?

nardil - give up if you live in europe, basically impossible to get from doctors
vorinostat - https://aniracetam.eu/produkt/vorinostat/ (i advice you to lab test it before u use it, ill do the same)
moclobemide - bgpharma

/edit sorry i thought u meant "where to get"

yeah its very worth

 

[Evgeniy291]

nardil - give up if you live in europe, basically impossible to get from doctors
vorinostat - https://aniracetam.eu/produkt/vorinostat/ (i advice you to lab test it before u use it, ill do the same)
moclobemide - bgpharma

/edit sorry i thought u meant "where to get"

yeah its very worth

I order from Indiamart, hopefully it’s not cat piss.

I’ll order it in 2-3 weeks and hit u up

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

I order from Indiamart, hopefully it’s not cat piss.

I’ll order it in 2-3 weeks and hit u up

idk about indiamart, nardil can not be bought there (scam). vorinostat i wouldnt buy there as well. mocblobemide could be ordered from there i guess....

btw moclobemide and phenelzine are MAOIs (antidepressants), dont use them if dont have diagnosed (atypical) depression OR social anxiety. stick with vorinostat and pregab

 

[Evgeniy291]

idk about indiamart, nardil can not be bought there (scam). vorinostat i wouldnt buy there as well. mocblobemide could be ordered from there i guess....

btw moclobemide and phenelzine are MAOIs (antidepressants), dont use them if dont have diagnosed (atypical) depression OR social anxiety. stick with vorinostat and pregab

Yea I’ll message you before ordering, I’ll check if my plug even has them.
How come it’s a scam btw?

 

[superpsycho]

if ur ND its over if u dont hop on drugs

 

[imblackandokwithit]

what does ND mean

if ur ND its over if u dont hop on drugs

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

Yea I’ll message you before ordering, I’ll check if my plug even has them.
How come it’s a scam btw?

as far as i know, nardil is only available in usa

if ur ND its over if u dont hop on drugs

yeah i agree, dont hop on drugs but meds could be an option.

better be on meds and give them a try instead of avoiding them

maois (nardil, parnate, aurorix etc...), vorinostat and pregab are based meds

 

[Evgeniy291]

idk about indiamart, nardil can not be bought there (scam). vorinostat i wouldnt buy there as well. mocblobemide could be ordered from there i guess....

btw moclobemide and phenelzine are MAOIs (antidepressants), dont use them if dont have diagnosed (atypical) depression OR social anxiety. stick with vorinostat and pregab

As you said

 

[Evgeniy291]

what does ND mean

Autist

 

[superpsycho]

pregab

pregab is pretty popular on this forum. ngl

i just need to access it

 

[superpsycho]

pregab is pretty popular on this forum. ngl

i just need to access it

ill need it for college definitely due to my spergy high inhib

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

pregab is pretty popular on this forum. ngl

i just need to access it

if u live in the usa, just hop on nardil

such a based med for maybe 1-2 years

combine that with vorinostat and you are good

lyrica occasionally as well

obviously if you are trucel, its a different story i guess...

 

[superpsycho]

obviously if you are trucel, its a different story i guess...

im not truecel tier
but im ugly

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

im not truecel tier
but im ugly

if u never were below 15% bf theres hope bro, also i think you are 18 right?

still much time for facial changes, was the case for me

 

[superpsycho]

if u live in the usa, just hop on nardil

such a based med for maybe 1-2 years

combine that with vorinostat and you are good

lyrica occasionally as well

are these over the counter or not

 

[superpsycho]

if u never were below 15% bf theres hope bro, also i think you are 18 right?

still much time for facial changes, was the case for me

im 18

i lack social experience and i am boneless

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

are these over the counter or not

nardil u will need a doc to prescribe it for u

the rest can be sourced online

 

[Vultus Tui Res]

Every time Ive talked to them they were disgusted and acted cold toward me like I was a creep or just straight up ignored me/treated me like a joke all because I was subhuman, lets say I hardmaxx and get to mtn (which is a huge step up for me), how will I learn to talk to girls then after a lifetime of rejection and hate for being who I am? I think Im permanently fucked in the head from 17 years of being subhuman and scared Ill never change mentally


Im still stuck as a 13 year old when it comes to girls and even other people in general im stunted because of shitty genetics and brutal parents and its so so over

Over if you’re asking this question to begin with…

Jk, slow exposure to make you get used to talking to girls would probably help.

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

im 18

i lack social experience and i am boneless

i have bones but no social experience due to being non nt and my father

brutal

most of us all arein the same boat bro

 

[superpsycho]

nardil u will need a doc to prescribe it for u

the rest can be sourced online

alright

i will read up on the side effects later and consider it

 

[superpsycho]

i have bones but no social experience due to being non nt and my father

brutal

most of us all arein the same boat bro

ND curse is the worst

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

ND curse is the worst

yea its basically steals ur youth (in my case) but ur still young af bro, keep improving, i truly wish u the most success

 

[superpsycho]

yea its basically steals ur youth (in my case) but ur still young af bro, keep improving, i truly wish u the most success

thanks bro

 

[True_North]

nardil (aka phenelzine) is the golden standard for social anxiety

vorinostat is an hdac inhibitor =
enhances neuroplasticity facilitates learning and adaptation to social situations.
increases BDNF levels – supports synaptic growth and resilience against stress.
reduces amygdala overactivity – helps regulate fear responses.
improves fear extinction – accelerates the unlearning of social anxiety triggers.
potentially boosts therapy effectiveness – may enhance the impact of CBT and exposure therapy.

(copied from gpt cuz i cant explain it well)

So if I'm understanding this correctly - Nardil is doing the heavy lifting for making you low inhib, while vorinostat cements those chad behaviours long term? Pretty sweet.

How would you say nardil holds up to pregab? I see more posts recommending the latter.

 

[ltnjasper08]

Every time Ive talked to them they were disgusted and acted cold toward me like I was a creep or just straight up ignored me/treated me like a joke all because I was subhuman, lets say I hardmaxx and get to mtn (which is a huge step up for me), how will I learn to talk to girls then after a lifetime of rejection and hate for being who I am? I think Im permanently fucked in the head from 17 years of being subhuman and scared Ill never change mentally


Im still stuck as a 13 year old when it comes to girls and even other people in general im stunted because of shitty genetics and brutal parents and its so so over

just dont

 

[Drugsmaxxer]

So if I'm understanding this correctly - Nardil is doing the heavy lifting for making you low inhib, while vorinostat cements those chad behaviours long term? Pretty sweet.

How would you say nardil holds up to pregab? I see more posts recommending the latter.

Yeah, u understood it correctly. thats the thought behind it.

nardil is superior to pregab because it can be used daily and longterm

also nardil increases serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and also indirectly influences gaba

 

[RealNinja]

The true key to better social skills is practice. That’s all it takes, practicing repeatedly and learning until you know the right way to interact. People are recommending you anti anxiety drugs, which can be helpful, but you still need to interact enough to know the right and wrong things to say to people.

I’d recommend getting a job like retail or fast food where you’re with other people your age. Helps a lot if you’re under socialized. You talk to your coworkers because there’s nothing else to do. You get to observe their body language and how they speak to each other

 

[KaisenMaxxer]

Every time Ive talked to them they were disgusted and acted cold toward me like I was a creep or just straight up ignored me/treated me like a joke all because I was subhuman, lets say I hardmaxx and get to mtn (which is a huge step up for me), how will I learn to talk to girls then after a lifetime of rejection and hate for being who I am? I think Im permanently fucked in the head from 17 years of being subhuman and scared Ill never change mentally


Im still stuck as a 13 year old when it comes to girls and even other people in general im stunted because of shitty genetics and brutal parents and its so so over

Start small, make friends (male), the more NT the better.
You have to get small wins in order to start gaining enough confidence to get to higher challenges.
Mental changes require a lot of effort, time, and actual knowledge.
If you give up, you'll never win so keep trying anddon't lose hope, you're only 17, if you manage to prevent aging, you can still slay at 30(I think amnesia is around this old, but of course he is a rare case)

 

[True_North]

Yeah, u understood it correctly. thats the thought behind it.

nardil is superior to pregab because it can be used daily and longterm

also nardil increases serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and also indirectly influences gaba

Thank you, Lucifer. What's up with the "irreversible" element of nardil btw? I'm reading that it can be safely discontinued, but it permanently binds to certain enzymes.

Very interesting drug, and despite the spooky "permanent" tag, it actually seems safer than GABAergics like pregab for people tapering off. Gonna ask my doc about it since she's pretty zero shits given with the pad+pen.

Was it offered from BGpharma in the past? They have it listed in the search results but not on the selection list. Gonna add it to my fear extinction checklist.

 

[Comebackkid]

Pregab is 100% the best for 1 time per week, if you plan approaching for hours on a saturday this drug can change your life
For daily use I'm trying parnate very soon, will update
Nardil costs too much

 

[True_North]

Pregab is 100% the best for 1 time per week, if you plan approaching for hours on a saturday this drug can change your life
For daily use I'm trying parnate very soon, will update
Nardil costs too much

Have you tried it daygaming? I feel like it could work during the day at lower dosages, but it's probably easy to come off as drunk if you overshoot it.

 

[untiljapanese]

Every time Ive talked to them they were disgusted and acted cold toward me like I was a creep or just straight up ignored me/treated me like a joke all because I was subhuman, lets say I hardmaxx and get to mtn (which is a huge step up for me), how will I learn to talk to girls then after a lifetime of rejection and hate for being who I am? I think Im permanently fucked in the head from 17 years of being subhuman and scared Ill never change mentally


Im still stuck as a 13 year old when it comes to girls and even other people in general im stunted because of shitty genetics and brutal parents and its so so over

What helped me is socialising through online interactions (i know so fucking brutal) but i dont have the luxury to practice in real life like most people say to do so i just practiced in VR and applied the same strategies and common social cues to in real life interactions. I would just walk around the most popular street in my city for tourists filled with mtb asain women and practice there.

 

[Comebackkid]

Have you tried it daygaming? I feel like it could work during the day at lower dosages, but it's probably easy to come off as drunk if you overshoot it.

Yes I've approached like 10 girls on it 300mg and around 15 on baclofen 60mg, I don't know the science but on top of erasing anxiety it also makes you more talkative, you feel very good

bc youll find out not having anxiety is not enough you need to have that social/loving feeling too which pregab give you

I took it first day at school and made insane first impression on everyone bc very low inhib

So far I got 2 numbers thanks to pregab and baclo

Current plan is pregab saturday baclofen sunday and still searching for something daily to approach while waiting in public transports, ordered Parnate on Indiamart bc its a Nardil-like but 10x cheaper, will update

 

[True_North]

Noice, 2-4 numbers from 10 approaches is actually a decent conversion rate from the law of averages perspective. My HTN buddy with balls of steel who slays broke it down to what I recall was: ~30% give numbers and about 40% of those convert to dates at a higher skill level. Dates are basically a 100% slay as long as you don't shoot yourself and are aggressive.

But I digress I'm pretty amped to try the coveted pregab + baclofen stack, while only taking each 1x/wk to avoid zero GABA hell. Nardil + vorinostat sound fun, but it's a bit trickier sourcing it outside the US.

For now, I'm goofing around on kratom + phenibut and have a few MTBs lined up after being out of the game for a while, but it's time to ascend to HTBs and finally uncuck social anxiety. I also have psilocybin on my radar for fear extinction, sounds very promising. Glad you had success man.

 

[iblamemandible7]

Noice, 2-4 numbers from 10 approaches is actually a decent conversion rate from the law of averages perspective. My HTN buddy with balls of steel who slays broke it down to what I recall was: ~30% give numbers and about 40% of those convert to dates at a higher skill level. Dates are basically a 100% slay as long as you don't shoot yourself and are aggressive.

But I digress I'm pretty amped to try the coveted pregab + baclofen stack, while only taking each 1x/wk to avoid zero GABA hell. Nardil + vorinostat sound fun, but it's a bit trickier sourcing it outside the US.

For now, I'm goofing around on kratom + phenibut and have a few MTBs lined up after being out of the game for a while, but it's time to ascend to HTBs and finally uncuck social anxiety. I also have psilocybin on my radar for fear extinction, sounds very promising. Glad you had success man.

Idk about fear extinction but shrooms made me feel way more human and empathetic for about a month after taking them 100% recommend them

 

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